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4	Louisa	Hello. This is the online resilience podcast with me, Louisa Street and Professor Andy Phippen, and we're discussing all aspects of young people's online lives and giving practical advice on how to support the young people you work with. Music is by Roo Pescod.
5	Louisa	Hello and welcome to another episode of the Online Resilience Podcast. Today we are going to be talking about YouTube, particularly thinking about what some of the issues with YouTube are for young people, for families and for professionals. Before we get into what those problems are, I thought it would be nice to start off thinking about some of
6		the positives of YouTube. So I've thought of a few things that I have learned to do from YouTube videos. One of the first things I learned to do from YouTube was tiling. So when I was decorating my bathroom, I watched a video about tiling and I was able to tile the bathroom, and I reflected that it must
7		have been much harder for my parents when they were decorating to learn to do that stuff from a book. I also learned how to properly do front crawl from watching YouTube videos. I do yoga on YouTube quite a lot or watch YouTube videos to help me do yoga.
8		Andy, have you got any things that you've learned to do from YouTube?
9	Andy	I'm a bit older, obviously. So again, not so much. No, no. Know it's mainly technical stuff. It's just something on the laptop or something. The first thing I will do is go to YouTube. But interestingly, I was listening to a podcast of the day and they were saying about how difficult it used to be to track down
10		music, and it was something it really reminded me of. You know the fact that you can just pop and see recommendations and stuff. Stuff like YouTube now very, very different than how it used to be, where you traipse around every record shop in town.
11		In the days when there was more than one record shop in town and everyone just denying the existence of a band you'd heard on the radio and YouTube is still the place I go to track down the albums that aren't even on Spotify because they were so niche and so rare.
12		The record labels that own them have probably disappeared by now, so there's no chance they're going to appear on Spotify. So, yeah, on that score as well. But funnily enough, I've been looking at swimming videos recently as well.
13	Louisa	I mean, it's it's really how I actually also learned how to fix some of the issues I've had with my car from YouTube videos as like this, just so many. And you can get really specific so I can put in the make and the model and the year that my car was made and have a full video
14		of how to dismantle a door and put it back together. And that kind of stuff is really, really valuable. And I think for me, I don't use YouTube as my main place to consume media. So, you know, I still sort of watch TV or listen to the radio or listen to podcasts.
15		Watch Netflix, that kind of stuff. But I know that for my younger brother, who is only eight years younger than me, he mainly watches YouTube. So most of his consumption of media comes through YouTube. So that is a sort of difference in the way of using it.
16		And I think that is increasingly the case. I think young people now start using YouTube when they're very young and and are very kind of used to how it works and able to find those sort of niche things quite easily.
17	Andy	I think this is one of the things that rings a great deal. When I'm sort of like talking between adults and young people about these issues is it's almost like, that's not what we did. Therefore, there must be a problem with it. When in reality, it's just a different way of doing the same sort of thing.
18		I think I've said this before, but I can remember when my son was younger, he was watching a lot of Minecraft videos on YouTube, and his mother said, Oh, you've been on YouTube a long time. What you come off that and do something else?
19		He said. It's raining. What am I sposed to do?
20		Why don't you watch on telly instead?
21		Just like.
22		What do you think I'm doing here? It is interesting. I think. I think Tik Tok has taken away some of their dominance in the video platform market. But but yeah, absolutely. You know, it's it's a primary entertainment channel for a third or to the younger folk.
23		But now thinking about I also learned how to change the stop clock on my toilet a while ago from YouTube. Videos will really good plumbing resources on there as well. But I think the point you're making about the fact that it is a great deal of positive is a really important one because we both you and I
24		are constantly asked, What's the bad things about this thing online?
25	Louisa	Yeah.
26	Andy	I think it's worth reminding ourselves that as with everything, there are challenges and potential negativity, but the platform itself is pretty good.
27	Louisa	Yeah.
28	Andy	It wouldn't have lasted so long, and it wouldn't be so popular if it was just chock full of horrible, terrifying content and nasty people, you know?
29	Louisa	Absolutely. I think that's a really good point, and I was sort of thinking as well, like the I've watched videos on how to like wire in a new light fitting. And one of the things that actually in those sorts of videos it comes across really clearly is actually, if you can't do this or for any reason, this
30		isn't how it looks in this video, get an electrician and actually maybe get an electrician anyway. And I think that kind of thing is, you know, the awareness of the potential risks of teaching Joe Bloggs how to do stuff is kind of put out there as well.
31		You know, I don't think those teaching videos are done with no awareness. Actually, if you're a complete beginner, you might not want to try doing this and you need these tools.
32	Andy	And yeah, it's an interesting one, particularly at the moment with basically any negative societal ill being viewed as, oh, that was the platform fault.
33		You know.
34		It seems somewhat bizarre, but there seems to be a huge amount of media and political narrative at the moment about how, you know, everything online is bad and negative, and nobody cares. I think it's worth reminding ourselves that there's a reason people go online, go on social media and make use of YouTube and similar because.
35		They like it.
36	Louisa	Yeah, and I think so. You know, in terms of thinking about the positives of YouTube, one of the things I think draws young people to it so much is the variety of videos that are available on there so,
37		I know a friend of mine has a daughter who, when she was very small, was obsessed with these unboxing and unwrapping videos, and they're quite they're almost quite unintelligible to watch as an adult. Although I know that there's a whole other market for unboxing things for adults.
38		But it's yeah, there are some things that kind of make you question What is it that is appealing about this, but that there's such a wide variety of things and the people that are making these videos are often, you know, really thinking about how to make the video look good.
39		And it's not, you know, sort of filmed in a dark room on a bad camera. Now, stuff that's actually, you know, they've got lighting. So they've got like a mini studio that they're recording in. And yeah, I think the quality of those videos isn't necessarily as poor as we might assume if we perhaps haven't got that much
40		experience of YouTube.
41	Andy	I think one of the things that really stood out for me, I might've mentioned this before the podcast was I did an assembly a few years ago in primary school with the year 5s and year 6s and I did say, was anyone got their own YouTube channel?
42		And this young man put his hand up, said he's got his own gaming channel, which awful, awful lot of people do. And. Obviously, because there are some people on YouTube who literally have millions of subscribers and make an extremely good living as a result of playing video games.
43		So you can see why they do it. And I just said to him, Do you ever get nasty comments? He said yeah, sometimes. And I said, Do you ever tell your teacher about that? And he went bearing in mind that the teacher was in the room.
44		He said, no. So why not? Because I'll get told off for being on YouTube.
45	Louisa	Right.
46	Andy	Why? He said, OK, because I shouldn't be on YouTube Channel four. Well, why not? And I was sort of pausing, hoping the teacher was going to go, Oh, no, that's not true. There's absolute silence. And I think, you know, it demonstrated that the gulf is kind of like, it's not something we know about.
47		So they shouldn't be doing it. Yeah. So then they end up in a situation where if they do experience something upsetting, they won't talk about it. Which is the thing we talk about all the time is we want to create an environment where young people will disclose upset and harm or concern.
48	Louisa	And I think it's that sort of problem as as professionals that one of the reasons that we wanted to create the tool in the first online resilience tool in the first place is because often professionals would take one of two stances with regards, young people's online activities.
49		one was, I don't understand it, therefore it must be bad. And the other one was, I don't understand it. So it's probably fine. The probably fine camp has got smaller and smaller over the years. I think for a while there were people who were like, Oh yeah, they talk about playing computer games.
50		I don't really understand computer games, so I just let them get on with it. But I think increasingly there's a lot of concern around that kind of thing. And yeah, YouTube isn't necessarily a bad place for, you know, it's not full of grooming videos and, you know, horrible, you know, upsetting.
51	Andy	You in that young man's case if they spent five minutes with going, Hey, like you switch off the comments and here's how you can report people who are abusive. And so you can talk to about it. That would have been so much better for his, well, both his resilience and his wellbeing.
52		But instead, it's like, No, it's bad. Kind of like what used to visit a primary school that can do anything for that key stage two presentation part from gaming. Why? Well, because it's a load of rubbish. It's not, it's a of massive, booming industry.
53		And and if kids get into gaming, maybe they won't end up with a career in gaming, but they might end up with a career in the STEM subjects, or they might be committed to maths or whatever, it's just it's just the immediate.
54		I wouldn't do that. Therefore, it must be bad. Whereas, you know, we always have to sort of reflect Douglas Adams said that anything that's invented after you're born, after a certain point, you'll you'll always insist is rubbish.
55	Louisa	And you know, I totally I totally sympathize with that. I was at a gig over half term and I saw there was some young people there and the way they were dressed, I realized fashion has passed me by and I don't understand that anymore, and it was quite upsetting.
56	Andy	It's enormous trousers at the moment, enormous strides that seem to be very much, you know, trousers.
57	Louisa	Yeah, enormous trousers. Yeah, just just in a way that I was like, Oh, this isn't I don't feel very I don't feel a part of this anymore. And I think the important thing when it comes to, you know, being a professional working with young people is it's OK to feel like you don't have
58		to understand why everybody is playing among us or whatever it might be or why people are watching this new YouTuber or why they're obsessed with this person. But you just need to be able to talk about it and learn about it from those young people and get their perspective on it.
59		Yeah.
60	Andy	I think that's a really good point is learning about it from the young people, you know, it's against that. We say, Oh, you don't have to know everything and you don't have to have all the answers to everything.
61		And sometimes as well, being down with the kids is a little bit cringy for kids as well, you know, and we talked about it before, but that lockdown has ruined Tik Tok for lots of young people because they don't want to be talking to their parents about whether they follow the same people on Twitter, because that's no
62		longer cool in their thing anymore. So, yeah, I think it's it. It is a challenging thing to do, particularly if we're used to telling young people to to listen to us because we know best, but sometimes we don't.
63		Sometimes you learn a great deal from going Oh, Can you just talk me through that? I've not heard of that.
64		Yeah.
65	Louisa	Yeah, absolutely. And that kind of brings us to why we wanted to cover YouTube in a podcast because I was talking to some year threes and fours. So children sort of around eight, nine and ten recently. And they were a lot of them were talking about their experience of YouTube, and there was a really clear disconnect between
66		the things the apps that they were allowed to go on, the apps they're allowed to download and play with and YouTube, so I don't know if everybody has heard of or seen Squid game on Netflix. It's an incredibly violent series where people play children's games, and if they don't, when they get killed.
67		And it's all quite gory and gruesome and it's been fantastically popular and everybody's been talking about it now. Most of the children I spoke to said their parents didn't let them watch Squid game on Netflix, which is great because it's not really appropriate for children that age.
68		But all of them said they'd seen clips of it on YouTube, and that kind of suggests to me that perhaps parents are very aware of risks around TV shows, but aren't necessarily aware that those same videos and clips can be seen on YouTube.
69		And the same with TikTok. There was one young man who said he wasn't allowed to download TikTok and all of his friends had TikTok. But he said he was able to watch videos of people reacting to TikToks on YouTube.
70		And I think the kind of point is if if you're supporting a family or if you have a family and you're concerned about what apps and games and TV shows and streaming shows and that kind of thing that your children are watching, you need to also consider whether they're watching those same things on YouTube and if they
71		are like, how, how are you going to deal with that? Are you going to kind of block them from accessing that? You're going to put parental controls in place. Are you going to try to contextualize what they're seeing?
72		Yeah. So you kind of just being aware that YouTube might be a bit of a backdoor into those things that otherwise...
73	Andy	No, I mean, funnily enough, I was message over the weekend by head teacher. I know who's coming across this very issue. Well, a lot of parents at the school have Netflix locked down, and obviously there's they check on it.
74		A lot of kids, we're talking about watching Squid Game on YouTube and his view was, should we communicate with parents about this or should we hope it dies down? You know, the parallels I see is really with GTA five when it came out a few years ago and you know, you sort of go into a school or
75		talk to parents, although they're all talking about it, it's like, Well, of course they are everyone else.
76	Louisa	Yeah.
77		They're not an isolated part of society that's not exposed to popular media. You know, when you've got everyone talking about Squid Game and the fact that all of you see seen that, we've seen that statement. Of course, they're going to be intrigued by it.
78		But he was sort of like shared a piece in the Guardian where a local authority was urging the parents to stop their children accessing this content and how it should be banned. Mean, just like, can we not use words like this?
79	Louisa	Yeah, yeah.
80	Andy	Because immediately then you're you're creating conflict. It is worth making parents aware that that this content is also in places like YouTube, and they might like to think about how they manage that. But yeah, I don't know what it is.
81		As soon as you get whichever moral panic is currently in the news, so like I said it, it's Squid Game at the moment it was GTA five in the nineties it was Doom
82		Can we have more conversation than just saying, ban it? You know, I can remember being in a talk years ago where they were talking about whether there was any, any social need for adult content. So you had a little bit fascist, you know, deciding on what adults should be allowed to see just because it might be harmful for children.
83	Louisa	So, yeah.
84	Andy	You know that there needs to be more nuance than that.
85	Louisa	Yeah. And this is the the thing with squid game is actually it makes a very complex social point. And it's it's a reflection of issues in society. So yes, it's gory. And yes, it's it's definitely got very adult themes, but that doesn't make it, you know, just because it's not appropriate for children, it doesn't mean there's no
86		value to it whatsoever and.
87	Andy	Actually is actually quite a good satire on capitalism and poverty. And all those sorts of things.
88	Louisa	Absolutely.
89	Andy	And I also think as well, reflecting as we are on the fact we've just come through Halloween is on the one hand, we're saying kids will be upset by gory content. On the other hand, we're going to why do you dress up as a zombie with loads of blood dripping from your mouth and don't ask people for
90		sweets? So you see why? And you know, there's very little research that shows if a child watches something gory, they will immediately be upset by it. In all instances, there will be some young people that are upset by it.
91		There will be some young people that find it funny the same way they did when they were seeing GTA clips, but also the other thing we need to sort of take a breath about is probably about, you know, 25% of those who say they've seen it have seen it but saying you've seen it makes you sound cool.
92	Louisa	Yeah.
93	Andy	Exactly the same way that 'I play GTA'. 'Do you? Tell me about it?' I can't tell you anything apart from the popular clips, because they don't. So are, you know, there is some social credit in saying you've seen these things, so yeah, before triggering the immediate safeguarding incident and threatening the children of the parents with the social
94		worker, maybe take a breath. Reflect on this sort of thing.
95	Louisa	And the one the the group of children I was speaking to particularly talking about was Red Light Green Light, which is the first episode of Squid Game. But the red light green light game is a playground game that I think is probably played around the world where I grew up.
96		We used to call it peep behind the curtain, but I know other people called it grandma's footsteps and red light green light is just another name for it, so it's the kids are playing that in the playground. It doesn't mean their all watching Squid Game/
97	Andy	Only thing or that thing, that red light green light. Well, unless you've got a massive A.I. robot with guns.
98		They're not actually acting it out.
99		Like what they're doing, you know? So, you know, take take a breath. Yeah, but I think it's a very valid point to to to raise that. YouTube does contain this content. YouTube does have some age verification within it.
100		So if you see adult content, you should have to log into it. I might be worth bearing in mind that maybe you logged into it to to see the latest Bond ending or whatever else and left it signed in with with controls off.
101		Because YouTube do try and put some barriers in place to stop young people accessing adult content. Or I mean, to say adult content is probably a bit of a stretch because there's no pornography. You don't see that on YouTube, you know, 18.
102	Louisa	So yeah. And so I did a bit of experimentation with the YouTube kids this morning and had a look at kind of how it works and set up a YouTube kid's account for my seven year old imaginary child.
103		And so and then went into it on that profile, such squid game and absolutely nothing came up. So it's very easy to set that up. It took less than five minutes to do it, searching for TikTok, so I was able to find some.
104		So if you were determined that you really don't want your children to be engaging with Tik Tok or if you're supporting a family who really don't want the children to be engaging with TikTok, that's going to be much harder to do.
105		And you might have to kind of be a lot more so draconian in what they're allowed to do on YouTube. But the issue is you then have to be signed in on every single browser and app that might access YouTube so
106		one of the things that's great about YouTube is you can just open it as a link and you can open it in different browsers. And so it's not just a case of setting up the YouTube Kids app on a device.
107		It would also be a case of either blocking that unless you know that the password was put in or being signed in to the YouTube kids account on every possible app on that device that might access YouTube. So, yeah, that's something to just be a little bit aware of that it's not just as simple as setting up
108		the app.
109	Andy	I think you raise a good point there because, you know, it requires a bit of effort. There seems to be a political wind at the moment that's going by. Things happen online. What the bloody hell are the platforms going to do about it?
110		Well, actually being a responsible end user is part of that as well. You know, we talk about a network of stakeholders and we can't just sort of sit there passively and go, Wll kids just saw Squid Game on YouTube, what's Zuckerberg can do about.
111		Well.
112		All now. It's not Zuckerberg's responsibility, but he does seem to be the root of all evil for everything at the moment, rather than, you know, reflecting upon the fact that, well, if I tell kids or I put filters in place, which I think definitely has a merits with with younger children as well.
113		But I do think these things should be resolved sort of all discussed in the home and not just councils urging parents to ban Squid Game
114	Louisa	Yeah
115	Andy	That just creates resentment, you know, using words like that implies, and if you don't do this, you're about parents. Yeah, might actually be the case in the slightest. The parents discussed it with the children and come to an agreement themselves.
116		And maybe gradual exposure that sort of material because you are fighting a tide is a it's a good outcome if you show your children Squid Game you are about is a horrible message to. Yeah.
117	Louisa	And again, it's interesting talking to children about what they think about those sort of age ratings and going back to gaming. You know, there's games like among us where the the idea is, if you're the murderer, you go around and kill everybody and you actually die in the in the game.
118		But there are games that have much higher ratings, things like Call of Duty, where you don't actually die, you just regenerate, you just go back to a start point, and the children I was speaking to were saying that doesn't seem right, and obviously they're kind of understanding of it was - dying is the worst thing.
119		So that can happen in a game then and then it should be a higher age rating, whereas we're sort of concerned more with the graphic-ness of the of the deaths and the, you know, how much gold there is, how much blood there is.
120		But generally speaking, I think children are able to distinguish between fantasy, violence and real violence.
121	Andy	Again, it goes back to concerns about children in the 70s watching Tom and Jerry or something.
122		Because.
123		The Daily Express attained one example where a child, a sibling in the frying pan. Therefore, we should ban Tom and Jerry. You know, it seems to be a bit of an excessive reaction. And I can remember talking to someone in a private school a few years ago said he used to play GTA with his Dad, well Uh oh what
124		are we going to do with this one? Turns out he sits in the auto repair shop with his dad, putting cars together in GTA, which you know it's again. The first response is one of blind panic and child neglect, where actually he's allowing this person to experience this game and probably pulling the thrill away from it and
125		allowing him to. So it's not covert and secret. And no, you shouldn't look at it and see he's doing it with his dad so that those what he's exposed to in the game, it was quite quite a nice example.
126	Louisa	Yeah, definitely. So one of the questions that you had and is sort of around children actually not using YouTube kids. So why don't kids use YouTube kids? Why do they want to be on adult YouTube?
127	Andy	Because they want to do things that.
128		Everyone else is doing?
129		Do you want to play over there in the playground with all the soft, cushy stuff? Or do you want to go and play in the bigger playground where everyone looks like they're having more fun? You know, it is one of the challenges when we create these walled gardens and they are they are entirely appropriate and useful.
130		It's it's kind of naive to think that 's as it will be until they're 18 because of course, you want to see what other people are engaging with and think was like, Well, why are you allowed to have all the fun?
131		And I think the thing to bear in mind with YouTube is that, well, they do have 18 set movie and TV content on there. It isn't the case where it's chock full of pornography, like certain aspects of social media and things as well.
132		They do police their content reasonably. And I do think, you know, keeping them within the walled garden. It's a bit like my my constant comment around young people and pornography. If we say you're not allowed to see any of it until you're 18 and then when you're 18 year old, see as much as you.
133		That day, which was kind of interesting, wasn't it?
134	Louisa	Yeah.
135	Andy	Obviously you're not saying some pornography, but the idea that if someone says at the age of 16 that they're watching porn, you should then, you know, lock down all the devices and demand spot checks is what you're basically do kicking the can down the road.
136		I think sometimes too much reliance on these walled garden approaches is a bit like kicking the can down the road and maybe not getting us to engage with the issues because we'd rather not. So there are only on YouTube kids.
137		They weren't at this critical setting there. Therefore, we don't need to talk to them about risk management and risk mitigation and developing resilience. And similar, which is what we always come back to, is you don't keep kids safe online, you make them resilient and you give them confidence.
138		If something upsetting happens, they can talk to somebody about it. That's a far better outcome than assuming we will stop it all.
139	Louisa	Definitely. And I think similarly, if you lock everything down, like you say, makes it a lot more appealing to try and get around it. And there are lots of ways of getting around it, like logging out.
140	Andy	Yeah, absolutely. I think that's that's just something to bear in mind. And I think the other thing that there is - I know we talked about this on something else a while ago, but I think there's a lot of talk at the moment about how the algorithm is forcing you to look at harmful content and then forcing you to
141		look at more harmful content things. I think that's quite a dumb interpretation of of what platforms like YouTube do. They don't decide. You should see upsetting content and people forcing you to see upsetting content. They're not that clever.
142		What they're doing is going
143		Oh, the personally watch that video also was that VIDEO So we could recommend that. VIDEO Now that could be something dark and upsetting, but equally, it could be. Oh, you watch this Peppa Pig VIDEO. Well, there's a whole bunch of other Peppa Pig videos here, so it would be useful if we started to move
144		away from. I just. Well, I think I've probably ranted on this podcast before about the term artificial intelligence. There's nothing intelligent. What they do, they just think recommendation engines. People watch this and there they're watching that. Therefore, we think you might like to see this as well.
145	Andy	And this this idea that the algorithms forcing you into rabbit holes of nastiness again taking a step back, reflecting on the responsible end user kind of like, well, stop clicking on.
146	Louisa	Yeah.
147	Andy	Or be aware that the recommendations are coming up because that's what other people have watched in the area. You don't have to keep them watching. People watch me in the same way that people get hooked into anti-vax content or any of the other things as well.
148		Just a little bit of awareness by the end user is really useful in these situations because because the algorithm isn't forcing you to do anything, the algorithm is a dumb recommendation. It's a bit like when Boris Johnson referred to the A-level algorithm last year as a rogue algorithm.
149		No, it's not. It's doing exactly what it was coded to do, which is based upon rules that have been set by humans. You know, this isn't like Skynet is not going to achieve YouTube's not going to achieve sentience at any point in the future.
150		We're going to enslave the human race, not by forcing them to watch all this dystopian content.
151	Louisa	Absolutely. And so like, if you're supporting a young person who is seeing a lot of stuff that's upsetting them on YouTube, then searching for a few things that they might be interested in, subscribing to a few accounts, liking a few things, watching a few videos actually will be a really great way of of resolving that somewhat
152		and less and less of those upsetting videos will be recommended.
153	Andy	I think you referred to it. The past is creating your own feeds. Again, it's a really good point to make, but you have got a level of control over this stuff. If you want to invest a bit of effort into it rather than just going, it keeps on showing me stuff I can't stop it.
154		I think the idea about creating your feeds is a really good one. It's probably worth the whole potential future.
155	Louisa	Yeah, yeah.
156	Andy	But I think it's it's it's a really nice way of getting people to realize there is a level of responsibility for them as well. And you can change things like if you if you subscribe to other things or you look at more wholesome content.
157		You know, I think most of my YouTube at the moment is mainly videos of Sparks the bands Sparks because I watched a documentary about this box and then did a load of searches, related spots. And, you know, YouTube just thinks I'm only interested in sparks.
158	Louisa	Yeah, I got a lot of recommendations for new episodes of Hot Ones, and Honest Trailers is the main. That's mainly what I get in my
159	Andy	Honest Trailers is really cool.
160	Louisa	Yeah.
161		Well, before we turn this into just recommending our favorite YouTube videos.
162	Andy	Everyone should check out the Sparks documentary.
163	Louisa	So was there any other thoughts that you wanted to reflect on around YouTube?
164	Andy	I think just reiterating what we always say that these platforms provide tools and you can block things and you can mute people and you can report content if you see content that you think is unpleasant. YouTube has a fairly conservative level of community standard, and they do respond to reports and complaints.
165		The other thing I think we haven't really touched upon is if people do have their own channel and things, then you don't have to have comments on it doesn't demonstrate you're hard if you can put up with massive abuse from strangers.
166		It's perfectly reasonable thing to do. But again, in terms of professionals working with young people talking about, it's OK to not find that sort of thing acceptable and you can mute people. I think it's also worth reflecting upon as well.
167		But you know it's what we always come back to. We want an environment where if the young person sees something upsetting, they can tell someone about it and not get told off of being on YouTube, but instead go alright.
168		Well, what can we do about this like we have?
169	Louisa	And you know, I think I send one of my the one of the things that I have to do if I want to engage with the internet generally is not Rrad the comments and you know, you might if you run a YouTube channel, you might choose not to have comments on.
170		But even if you're just consuming content on YouTube, maybe saying, You know what? I don't want to see loads of people arguing that black is white in the comments. I'm just not going to look at it. And, you know, you can kind of support young people to make those decisions and to avoid those things that are likely
171		to sort of ruin the fun of it for them
172	Andy	It is one of the ridiculous things about how social media has evolved and that everyone feels they have a need to say something about everything, you know. The new episode of Doctor who came out yesterday as people on Twitter going, I'll give it six out of ten.
173		I don't care what.
174		You think, you know you've.
175		Got five followers. Have you ever trained as a movie critic or TV critic? But, you know, the ridiculous thing about it, I think that's that's a really useful conversation to have, particularly with slightly older children and things. And like, what does that mean when I think I've said before the fact that someone who's never played football at
176		anything other than Sunday league level in their life can actually tell Marcus Rashford what he did wrong on the pitch that day is ludicrous. But we didn't talk about how ludicrous it is. It's just it's just ridiculous. It should all.
177		But I think the comedian Richard Herring, did the thing about arguing with people on Twitter about how they think they could get a point of Serena Williams because they're a mane, No, you seriously can't and the conviction.
178	Louisa	But then I saw a similar thing that was the percentage of men that thought they could win in a fight against a bear like a grizzly bear. And it wasn't. It wasn't massively high, but it was like 6% of men thought they could win in the fight against the grizzly bear.
179		And you know, there are people that people are entitled to their views and beliefs, and the internet will expose you to those views and beliefs, however, and.
180	Andy	Someone will like your comments.
181		As well, which, you know.
182		Having five likes. The fact that you like a deck a bear doesn't mean that you know it is worth talking about and talking about how ridiculous and ludicrous some of this stuff is. I think you know what you're saying.
183		If you want to enjoy content online, don't read the comments on them.
184	Louisa	Yeah, yeah.
185	Andy	It's very unlikely you're going to be better informed as a result. I think the one thing I've never seen on a YouTube comment or a tweet and feels that the two people arguing and suddenly is one of them will go, actually, now I can see your point that you've really changed my mind about that never
186	Andy	happens. It's purely about showboating to your tribe.
187	Louisa	Yeah.
188	Louisa	Absolutely. Well, I think we will leave YouTube there, and we will be coming out with another podcast in a couple of weeks time. That's it for another episode of the Online Resilience podcast. If you liked it, please tell someone you know who might also enjoy it.
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