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ShawnMcCusker12/12/113:49 PM@Dvoiceofreason Yep! follow the combined tag for tonight!!! #engsschat #sschat #engchat
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ShawnMcCusker12/12/113:50 PM@cybraryman1 Good evening sir. #engchat #sschat #engsschat
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MsClancy_PNHS12/12/113:56 PMRT @ShawnMcCusker: Just about 15 minutes to a combined #sschat #engchat with @cybraryman1 . Be sure to follow the #engsschat hashtag tonight.
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kconners0912/12/113:57 PMAlways learn from @cybraryman1 and #engsschat - about to begin! Not sure how long I can stay-family on way home.
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Dvoiceofreason12/12/113:58 PM2 mins till #engsschat
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mvalentine7912/12/113:59 PMWhere does this rubric come from? #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:00 PMLet’s start with 1)What is an Argumentative Essay (AE)? #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:00 PM#engsschat Topic: The Argumentative Essay I have a serious of questions to walk us through this discussion of AE
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ShawnMcCusker12/12/114:00 PMRT @cybraryman1: Welcome to the 3rd combined #engchat and #sschat. Please in every tweet use the hashtag #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:00 PMWelcome to the 3rd combined #engchat and #sschat. Please in every tweet use the hashtag #engsschat
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ShawnMcCusker12/12/114:01 PM@MaribethWestlun I meant, are you using tweetdeck? #engsschat #sschat
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ShawnMcCusker12/12/114:01 PM@MaribethWestlun Are you using #sschat #engsschat #sschat
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mrami212/12/114:01 PM#engsschat has begun with @cybraryman1 at the helm, please join us. #engchat #engsschat
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MaribethWestlun12/12/114:01 PMI typed in #engsschat but my screen is blank. Any suggestions #sschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:02 PMQuestion 1 What is your definition of an Argumentative Essay (AE) #engsschat
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irishteach12/12/114:03 PMQ1 states position on topic & sticks with the position & defends it through reasoning/research #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:03 PMRT @ShawnMcCusker: @cybraryman1 Q! An essay that takes a position and presents evidence/rationale to defend that position. #engsschat
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ShawnMcCusker12/12/114:03 PM@cybraryman1 Q! An essay that takes a position and presents evidence/rationale to defend that position. #engsschat
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cherraolthof12/12/114:03 PMRT @cybraryman1: #engsschat Topic: The Argumentative Essay I have a serious of questions to walk us through this discussion of AE
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vocabgal12/12/114:04 PM#engsschat To me, an AE is an essay where a student must take a position or stand on an issue and defend it.
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MrsBeck2512/12/114:04 PM@irishteach Very important to teach kids to stick to be side many flip flop #Engsschat
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MaribethWestlun12/12/114:04 PM@ShawnMcCusker tweetdeck. Do I type in all 3 hashtags or just #engsschat?
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Steph_SMac12/12/114:04 PM@cybraryman1 An Argumentative Essay clearly presents an argument (or position) & provides support/analysis to prove that position #engsschat
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cherraolthof12/12/114:04 PM“@ShawnMcCusker: @cybraryman1 An essay that takes a position and presents evidence/rationale to defend that position. #engsschat” Ditto!
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cybraryman112/12/114:04 PMRT @MrsBeck25: Q1: Essay that presents info and argues Pros and and cons of subject. Defeat cons and change readers mind #Engsschat
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MrsBeck2512/12/114:04 PMQ1: Essay that presents info and argues Pros and and cons of subject. Defeat cons and change readers mind #Engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:04 PMRT @irishteach: Q1 states position on topic & sticks with the position & defends it through reasoning/research #engsschat
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cherraolthof12/12/114:05 PMForces you to make a critical decision and argue your point. Not necessarily "prove" it. #Engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:05 PMGood answers #engsschat
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7askretting712/12/114:05 PMQ1 usually starts by overviewing a range of positions before taking and defending one in depth #engsschat
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josepopoff12/12/114:05 PMAE would be one in which a student establishes a point and defends such point with ideas of his own? #engsschat
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spoor7712/12/114:05 PMNot seeing anything on TweetDeck with #engsschat
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D211TeachUnion12/12/114:05 PMNot seeing anything on TweetDeck with #engsschat
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mvalentine7912/12/114:05 PM@cybraryman1 DBQ essays are great argumentative essays when phrased correctly. You have to use info to support original thesis #engsschat
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wheretheclass12/12/114:05 PM@cybraryman1 An essay that ultimately offers a call to action and/or solutions. #engsschat
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mooresclassroom12/12/114:06 PM@ShawnMcCusker Agree on the necessity of evidence. Here's an Isaac Asimov quote I like about evidence http://t.co/SWWyCTEh #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:06 PM2)How does the AE (Argumentative Essay) differ from the expository essay? #engsschat
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johnsonmaryj12/12/114:06 PMHow is an argumentative essay different from a persuasive essay? Just new lingo? #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:06 PM@TheSwish Thanks for including the counterargument #engsschat
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wheretheclass12/12/114:06 PM@mvalentine79 I like that DBQs can be used as a crossover between English and History. http://t.co/0uZxmCEw #engsschat
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MrsBeck2512/12/114:06 PMThis type of essay is the most popular with kids. They love to argue!! #Engsschat
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TheSwish12/12/114:06 PMQ1 - One that states a argument(s) for/against something, and addresses and defeats the counterargument(s). #engsschat
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irishteach12/12/114:06 PM@MrsBeck25 YES! Keep on topic - always reminding students of that #Engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:06 PMA1 The AE: Investigate a topic, collect, generate & evaluate evidence & establish a cocise position on the topic #engsschat
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clix12/12/114:07 PM@johnsonmaryj I've heard that AE is different from PE in that AE asks for consideration; PE asks for action. #engsschat
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ShawnMcCusker12/12/114:07 PM@mooresclassroom Love it!!! #engsschat
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irishteach12/12/114:07 PM@mooresclassroom Love that quote! Stealing it for class- will credit twitter's power! Thanks! #engsschat
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ShawnMcCusker12/12/114:07 PM@TheSwish Welcome to the chat !!! glad to see you! #engsschat
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MrsBeck2512/12/114:07 PM@irishteach It's funny how sometimes they change their own minds while researching #Engsschat
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kenc1812/12/114:07 PMDef: Takes a stance and wins total or partial acceptance of others. Anticipates/refutes (graciously) alternate POVs. #engsschat
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cherraolthof12/12/114:07 PMRT @johnsonmaryj: How is an argumentative essay different from a persuasive essay? Just new lingo? #engsschat
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wheretheclass12/12/114:07 PM@MrsBeck25 True but they don't always do it well. So important to provide models. #engsschat
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Dvoiceofreason12/12/114:07 PMRT @cybraryman1: Welcome to the 3rd combined #engchat and #sschat. Please in every tweet use the hashtag #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:07 PM@johnsonmaryj I was getting to that. Thanks #engsschat
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TheSwish12/12/114:07 PM@cybraryman1 SOmething like the sign of a intelligent person can hold two conflicting arguments, while arguing for one side #engsschat
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josepopoff12/12/114:08 PMYes, definitively students love this type of input; it gives value to their ideas...and arguments. #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:08 PMA2 AE requires extensive research of literature and possibly interviews, surveys, experiments… #engsschat
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mooresclassroom12/12/114:08 PM@cybraryman1 argumentative essay has to respond to a question/problem that has multiple points of view #engsschat
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irishteach12/12/114:08 PM@MrsBeck25 I love seeing that cuz sometimes they are so stuck in thier own view. love when research opens their eyes to new ideas #Engsschat
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TheSwish12/12/114:08 PM@ShawnMcCusker Back at ya! GLad I could make it tonight...should be prepping for my presentation tomorrow, but I can't miss #engsschat!
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mrami212/12/114:08 PM@steph_smac #engchat is joining #sschat tonight so pls check #engsschat to follow tonight's discussion Thanks.
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ShawnMcCusker12/12/114:08 PM@MrsBeck25 I think that is because they can pour themselves into it and make it personal. #Engsschat
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mrami212/12/114:08 PM@clix #engchat is joining #sschat tonight so pls check #engsschat to follow tonight's discussion Thanks.
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thereadingzone12/12/114:08 PMRT @kenc18: Def: Takes a stance and wins total or partial acceptance of others. Anticipates/refutes (graciously) alternate POVs. #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:08 PMRT @Mrs_Laf: @cybraryman1 AE argues a point and defends a position. EE is informative rather than persuasive. #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:08 PM@MrsBeck25 That is a good point and learning on the part of students #engsschat
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Mrs_Laf12/12/114:08 PM@cybraryman1 AE argues a point and defends a position. EE is informative rather than persuasive. #engsschat
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Steph_SMac12/12/114:09 PMQ2: The AE provides a brief explanation of the opposing position while providing support to prove a the writer's position #engsschat
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TheSwish12/12/114:09 PM@cybraryman1 A2 - AE must draw on primary and secondary sources to support opinions and claims, and refute others #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:09 PMRT @MsLivFLVS: In an expository essay you become the teacher (or expert) without expressing your own opinion. teach #engsschat #commoncore
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MrsBeck2512/12/114:09 PM@ShawnMcCusker they have more ownership of what they are learning #Engsschat
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clix12/12/114:09 PMAE incorporates exposition in its support, tho. #engsschat
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irishteach12/12/114:09 PMRT @MsLivFLVS: In an expository essay you become the teacher (or expert) without expressing your own opinion. teach #engsschat #commoncore
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ShawnMcCusker12/12/114:09 PM@cybraryman1 I agree. The counterargument part is very important. Well said @TheSwish #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:09 PMRT @cherraolthof: Expository can be done from a neutral point of view. AE asks that you take a position. #Engsschat
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MsLivFLVS12/12/114:09 PMIn an expository essay you become the teacher (or expert) without expressing your own opinion. teach #engsschat #commoncore
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cherraolthof12/12/114:09 PMExpository can be done from a neutral point of view. AE asks that you take a position. #Engsschat
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ShawnMcCusker12/12/114:10 PM@MrsBeck25 And that is always a good thing. #ownyoureducation #Engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:10 PMRT @josepopoff: Expository essay presents someone else's ideas whereas AE presents reasonable ideas of its own. #engsschat
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josepopoff12/12/114:10 PMExpository essay presents someone else's ideas whereas AE presents reasonable ideas of its own. #engsschat
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mooresclassroom12/12/114:10 PM@TheSwish Are you presenting at TIES tomorrow? #engsschat
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TheSwish12/12/114:10 PMCounterargument is a high level thinking skill, really pushes and challenges students, esp. when there's conflicting evidence #engsschat
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mvalentine7912/12/114:10 PM@thereadingzone @kenc18 I find the best Argumentative essays analyze the POV thoroughly before they "graciously" refute them. #engsschat
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thereadingzone12/12/114:11 PMRT @cybraryman1: RT @josepopoff: Expository essay presents someone elses ideas whereas AE presents reasonable ideas of its own. #engsschat
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kenc1812/12/114:11 PM@MsLivFLVS To a degree, I sense opinion everywhere. e.g. My EE on free-throw shooting can include tips others would skip. #engsschat
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wheretheclass12/12/114:11 PM@TheSwish Counterargument is complex but when they actually figure out how to do it appropriately they can write amazingly. #engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:11 PM3) How do you prepare your students for doing the research that is required? #engsschat
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josepopoff12/12/114:12 PMI believe you should take students into critical thinking of simple short ideas first. #engsschat
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kconners0912/12/114:12 PMwow! All 3 kids home at once, hardly ever happens anymore. Will read archives of #engsschat. Have a great convo!
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cybraryman112/12/114:12 PM@wheretheclass Can you trust everything here on Twitter? #engsschat
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TeachMoore12/12/114:12 PM@cybraryman1 3) My students are usually shocked to discover that there are differing points of view on some issues #engsschat
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mrami212/12/114:12 PM@ShawnMcCusker I like that analogy #engsschat #engsschat
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wheretheclass12/12/114:12 PM@cybraryman1 Start by using Twitter as a research tool. http://t.co/rbIa9fGw #engsschat
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irishteach12/12/114:12 PM@cybraryman1 Good question- I'm doing this Thursday in Sociology. #engsschat
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ShawnMcCusker12/12/114:12 PM#engsschat When explaining the Argumentative essay I tell them to plant their feet and hold the line.
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TheSwish12/12/114:12 PMA3 for 8th gr we provide a strong secondary source background, and scaffolded primary source docs too...#engsschat
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cybraryman112/12/114:13 PMThe whole key to doing a good job is the research that is required. How do you facilitate this with your students? #engsschat
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D211TeachUnion12/12/114:13 PM#engsschat I think AE also needs to include some mention of the alternative argument
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spoor7712/12/114:13 PM#engsschat I think AE also needs to include some mention of the alternative argument
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