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12865/11How can first-time attendees (PhD student) at Academy of International Business (AIB) conference make the most of it? In other words, what are some of the things that one can do and plan ahead to make it an enriching and learning experience?
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12855/11Has anyone heard back from University of Melbourne? There were multiple positions and deadline was over a month ago or something. (I'm checking the sheet and previously some had reported outcomes/rejections in a month or so, i.e., in previous round of applications)<- just got the rejection email x3 <- OP here, got rejection email too!
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12845/10Has this sheet migrated to a new one? If so what is the link?See in Catharsis sheet
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12835/5I wonder if anyone can share with me your experience with submission to Journal Business Ethics? How long does it take for the first round review? I submitted a paper to it for more than 3 months but heard nothing. Thanks!I submitted a month ago and the paper just moved from "editor assigned" to "under review". If the status of your paper isn't changing you may email the editor <- Thanks. That does seem like we will hear back after 3 or more month. Yes, I meant that my status has been keeping as "under review" for more than 3 months.

^ I would strongly not recommend contacting the editor if the paper's only been under review for a couple months. I would probably not even contact the editor until it's been out for ~6 months.
<<OP, if you are saying in cell D that your paper has been under review (as in already sent out to the reviewers) for 3 months, then I suspect you're being a little impatient given the extreme difficulty editors are having recruiting and wrangling reviews out of folks these days. If it were me, I would wait another month before contacting the editor to inquire about status, and even that I'm a little hesitant about. In fact, I probably would wait two months - but then again, I'm not up against a tenure clock deadline. Now, if you're saying that it's been 3 months and the editor hasn't sent it out to reviewers yet, that's a different story. But that is not what your comment in cell D seems to say.<- Thanks. Now the timeline makes sense to me. It is the first time I submitted to this journal while my experience with submitting to three other journals is a little bit different. I hope I can hear back in the next 1-2 months. Thank you!Always had great, constructive reviewers and quick turnaround times there. Three months to hear back is pretty normal anywhere.
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12825/4Unfortunately, my paper has been rejected by the Strategic Management Journal (SMJ) after being previously rejected by the Academy of Management Journal (AMJ) and Organization Science (OSC). I am feeling frustrated by this outcome. AMJ decided a desk rejection, while OSC and SMJ rejected it at the 1 round review. I am now exploring alternative journals where I can submit my paper. Can you suggest any suitable options for me to consider? Thank you. <- Please tell us first about the paper. Without know what the paper is about, it is difficult to suggest. I was in the similar situation and frankly speaking, I would advice sending the paper to where you think it will be published and move along with other projects.
As you will be moving down the journal rankings with your submission, there is one more prolem that will pop-up - irrelevant reviews. With A journals the good thing is that they have a selection of proper reviewers. Lower ranked journals will have students and faculty in other disciplines reviewing your paper and hence - not appreciating your contribution, being unfamiliar with the methods, the literature etc.
Secondly, submitting and reviewing takes time. You mentioned OS, SMJ and AMJ - that probably took you at least 1-1.5 years + time to write the paper, so your data is already 2-3 years old. If you are using publicly or commercially available data - that will be a problem too. You will get a lot of stupid questions like "why you cut you data in 2020, when you already can add 2 more years". They will of course ignore the fact that you used funding when it was available in the past to get the data.
Thirdly, it is never too late to find a better adviser or mentor. It sounds like your expectations were set quite high but your internal processes on how to develop and promote papers were not organized well. So take your draft projects to people who may be interested in such research and ask them to be your mentors, and, potentially, co-authors. But make sure you manage your future projects differently that the one that you are concerned with...
Seems as if it might be time to go down a tier but hard to say without more context. Mainly basing this on the desk reject at AMJ. I just had a paper get an R&R at the fifth A journal we submitted to. The reason we decided to keep trying and not go down a tier was because there was little obvious consistency in our reviews. So maybe take a look at the reviews and think about whether it's the same issue that's coming up that's killing the paper or whether the reviews seem more based on taste functions.
Otherwise you'll have to let us know a bit more about the context/topic to suggest journals (general management: JOM, JMS; Inno: RP; ENT: JBV ETP; Careers: JOM ILRR; etc. etc.)
I concur w/ others. It's really hard to offer suggestions without knowing more about the paper and the nature of the reviews. I've had some papers rejected at multiple A journals before getting published in an A, and others rejected multiple times before deciding to target a topic-specific B journal. Ideally, an advisor or senior colleague would be able to help you make that determination. There are definitely times to not give up on As but other times where that's the best decision. Another factor to consider if where you are in your career and what your goals are. To put things in perspective, all the three journals you listed accept fewer than 5 percent of submissions as of late (for AMJ, the figure is around 3 percent). Try other FT50 journals Does not bode well to get desk rejection. There is probably some core issues to work on with regards to empirics or contribution before it is sent to the next journal. Natural next options for generalist journals would be JOM or JMSIf you want/need an A pub there are only a few more options you can try. If you're willing to drop to B pubs there are countless options, and which one to choose will depend heavily on the topic of the paper.
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12815/4From your own experience, how many rounds of revision in JMS?0, because they've rejected everything I sent on the initial review :)We went three rounds of R&R, nearly 2 yearsAlso three sounds. 2x high risk R+R2 rounds - the last was minor revisions. This was about 5 years ago
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12805/2If you got no job and are international, what do you do?Difficult question. Have you tried to get a visiting gig somewhere? Talk to your supervisorYou can go back to your country and get a job there. << to E. you can stop inviting international students to the PhD program. x4OPT, industry?Are you able to do an additional year in your program?<< Tough choice when confronted with financial difficulties. I would recoommend taking a post-doc or a visiting professorship.<- To E, SO MEAN. x999999Dear OP, I am an international and finally got an offer last April. Realistically, you should request a one-year extension. If not available, visiting faculty or post-doc would work. Approach all the faculty members in your institution and ask for their help. There are many who are willing to help. <- I agree with J, and for future international students, I would recommend you have this conversation sooner rather than later. For example, if you still don't have an offer in January ish, you should of course keep looking, but it won't hurt to start a conversation at that time with your advisor/department chair to see if you have a fallback.I would look into postdocs - some of them sound really great, and it'll give you another chance to go on the market with more time to develop your research (assuming that's what you want)
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12795/2RESTORED FROM DELETED:
"New Job Market Google spreadsheet available for 23-24: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/110R1iX4Jv2ufdqKvpgrMV5HHwoySNw37Vtk5DLF1ULc/edit?usp=sharing"
Finally! Thanks!And the NEW Lord of the Spreadsheet has arrived.Should you lock down this one then? I don't want to have to check 2... << I wouldn't yet. The new sheet will see little activity until July. <- Why do people make such comments? Not that it matters but, 214 of the 1280 rows in this sheet is before July.
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12785/1Paper got rejected after 5.5 months under review. Publication is hard!!!!And chances are it will get rejected again elsewhere. It's a long process. Persistence is key. x2Random reviewers ;)Just got one after 8 months (thanks Org Sci). I feel your pain :(That sucks, good luck at the next journal!Keep going and good luck!
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12775/1This is it. New Spreadsheet pleaseagreeThen make one?<<there is a person who makes one right? I dont think we can just make one << No, it is not one single person. << yes, it is a single person. I know this because I was that person last year. I am SO glad someone is taking this over now. So tired of this sheet.<- Basically someone will clone this spreadsheet but clear everything (except the memes and who went where) and share the link here
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12765/1Rookie going on the job market this year. Would SCMs see any red flags with a candidate not including their dissertation proposal as one of their "writing samples" in the job application materials?No but I'd expect your submitted materials to be more-or-less in the same domain as your dissertation. it would be more of a red-flag for me if you didn't present your dissertation as your job talk. yes, there are exceptions, but if your dissertation appears to be avoided, that could be a bad signalFor me, depends most on what the other writing samples are. Best case, they're 1st authored papers either under advanced RR or published at elite journals. Worst case, they're poorly written class papers or papers with you as 6th author. But even if you have great other writing samples, it's probably a good idea to still include your dissertation. This may help the search committee get a better sense for your personal research interests and ability, and helps the committee gauge your chances of defending your dissertation on time.Is there a reason you don't want to include your dissertation proposal? And are you comfortable sharing that reason with SCMs if they ask?

OP: Just not quite as polished./ready as I'd like.
D here: I am surprised at the responses here, how many of you would be willing to read a "dissertation proposal"? I don't want to read a proposal, I want to read a full paper. I'd like those two things to be related and/or in the same domain. I, of course, would like the candidate to be the first author on those samples. But these don't change the fact that a dissertation proposal is ultimately written for a separate purpose and has no bearing on whether the candidate can write & publish academic papers from the domain of their choosing. If you don't have published papers/R&Rs/manuscripts etc that are in the same domain as your dissertation, I would question that... x2I'm with H...who would read/submit anything other than papers?

<< Same. I didn't submit my dissertation proposal anywhere and I was never asked about it. I'm micro. Submit papers and you'll be fine.
^ just for reference, I'm macro, original I
SCs do like assurances that the dissertation will be completed by the time you start. At most (although not all) schools it creates a problem if you haven't graduated by the time you start, especially if there are visa issues. << I can't speak towards visa issues, but I know a lot of rookie contracts have a clause about not defending by a certain date. Usually this drops you down to a NTT position, like adjunct or lecturer, and you have until some other date to defend and have your TT position restored, and if you don't defend by that date your contract is terminated. << SC do like assurances that the dissertation will be completed. Best bet to do that: be in ABD status. OP here: Thanks everyone for your input!
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12755/1Does anyone else find it sketchy that, if you let your AOM membership lapse and then renew months later, they set your "one year" membership to expire from the date of the original term and not the date from which you are actually renewing? So you're paying for a 'one year' membership that is actually like eight months. Any way to get around that? I am curious what happens if it has lapsed more than 1 year. Would they apply it to 12 months that have already passed, such that you get 0 active months of membership? Or do they only do that if it is a shorter gap?Car registrations work the same way but in theory you're still using your car while the registration is expired which probably can't be said of AOM membership. I'm not even sure I use my AOM membership for anything aside from attending conferences. Option: Start a new account from scratch instead of renewing itNot trying to be snarky, but what's the practical implication of this problem? I don't think this would matter to me, even if it is annoying. I can access all AOM journals through my school so AOM membership doesn't give me benefits outside of the annual meeting. << This. I'm not planning to attend AOM this year, so I just let the membership lapse. Journal access through my university.Yeah, I hate that. SMS does it too - they tie to the membership to the calendar year.
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12745/1I am teaching a class where students (undergrads) have presentations. I want to show a video or do something at the start of class to help them loosen up and drop any nervousness. Does anyone have a video URL suggestion? Maybe something funny? About presenting? Something undergrad students would connect to and relate with. or some exercise. It's HARD for students who are nervous to present and I want to make that easier.seems like there should be an Office clip out there somewhere.

maybe something from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zx4ZeGjP3s or here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTQ7vhtp23w

^^^ SO GOOD! Whoever put this here, I owe you, at least for a laugh. The only problem I'm gonna have now is not being able to keept it together myself in class. Thanks!!
OMG this is perfect for my students giving presentations this week!
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12734/30If I'm attending a conference in the Fall and will be a TT AP at that point but am currently a PhD student - do I pay AP registration/membership fees for the conference? I am registering now - while a PhD student. The price difference between phd student prices and AP prices is just so great and I won't be able to get reimbursed until I join my new school later in the Fall.
Edit: If I register under my current status (as a phd student), but the conference program has my new AP institution listed, is that wrong to do?
Same situation here. Curious of the answer. It's so frustrating that the starting date of the job is later than the conference.I would register under your current status x3Ask your current school if they will pay. If not, put your new school and submit reimbursement after you join. Or… don't go and enjoy your summer Ask both schools - a colleague of mine last year had their travel paid by PhD school and registration fee by the other, while being listed in the program with the affiliation of the new schoolSimilar question, but which category do PostDocs belong??? < I would assume post docs are still students but I also would think AOM would explain this somewhere.

^^ post-docs aren't technically students as being post the doctoral degree is in the title. with that said, I would not have any issue with you claiming a student rate to save money
To the OP, does your future employer give a research budget or travel allowance? If so, it may not matter as much when you pay since your new employer will reimburse. Still reserve hotel since those spots can fill up, but when you pay doesn't matter much. When you attend the conference, you will be doing as an employee and thus representing that institution, so I would have them reimburse you. Science? I don't think our field really need life-long tenure.Be careful with the starting date. Many schools cannot pay travel expenses for a prospective employee who is not officially an employee when the expenses occured. For this purpose, registration fee is usually considered to have occured when you attend the conference. At any event, ask your employer. << And if that's the policy, probably just don't register until after becoming an official employee. The cost may be a little higher but that doesn't matter as much if the school is paying.

^At my university (and many others) faculty start date is 8/15.
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12724/30How do you think of the recent trend of removing tenure in some states? Is it becoming a new normal and will spread out nationwide?We will see efforts by Republicans in some states where they have the ability and incentive to do so. They mostly want to target what they would deem leftist academics, tacitly because of 'wokism.' It will make public universities in those states a less desirable place for faculty to work, which will benefit private universities (which they want to do across all levels of education). x2Tenure, the latest victim of wokism. <= dunno if that is snark, but if not, seems more like the latest victim of right-wing hysteria < there is so much hand-wringing about diversity efforts on this sheet but those 'academic freedom' proponents don't seem to give a crap when it comes to the right literally banning books or addressing certain topics in schoolsTenure has been under attack for many years. Academia (when done right) pursues "truth", which is problematic for dogmatic politicians who want folks to accept their arguments regardless of whether what they say is proveably false. "Wokeism" is just the current manifestation of that movement. I think going after tenure is ridiculous. Interesting to see how it will play out for disciplines with lower pay (who would want to be a sociologist in a no-tenure state), which is probably what these politicians want. The problem is that they are painting with a broad brush and will hit many STEM fields as well. However, academia does seem ripe for reform: too expensive and it is unclear how much these kids are learning.
^^ Academia has problems but I wouldn't put tenure at the top of the list. <<<< I don't think anybody on this sheet would. << We may be a bit biased.
My concern is once one state passes a law, other states try to out do each other in how much they go after academia. I don't think eliminating tenure will have much practical impact on faculty but I could easily see such policies dramatically impacting hiring new faculty.
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12714/30I do not know how the below two sections differ. Can you advise me how I can fill out them differently? This is a part of funding application.

A. Planned Research Outputs
Please indicate here what the expected output(s) from your research programme might be.
As appropriate, please indicate as follows: monograph, journal article(s), book chapter(s), digital resources, other (please specify).
Please outline your plans for publication under Plans for publication/dissemination below:
(300 words max)

B.P lans for Publication and Dissemination
Please state in more detail here what plans you have for publication or other dissemination of your research, including potential publishers, journals, conferences etc that are appropriate for your research subject: (500 words max)
First is asking you about what you are going to work on and the formats in which you are planning to publish and, second about target outlets more specifically and the reach of those outlets. You might want to talk about broader impact in A
This looks a bit like Canadian SSHRC wording. I think 'Planned Research Outputs' is asking for a list of how many of each output type you expect to produce (e.g., "We expect this project will lead to two journal articles and one book chapter") and 'Plans to Publication and Dissemination' is about adding detail to that, and also mentioning other dissemination channels including academic conferences, non-academic presentations, non-academic outlets. Ensure that if you mention getting funding for conference presentations in your proposed budget, you also mention them here.
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12704/29I think I read somewhere that the rate of getting tenure across disciplines is about 10-20%. What do you think? Do you think bschools is better?Probably not. Most professors at my school seem to get tenure (mid-tier R1). Since I have been here only one has had to leave and three or four have made it.I would assume that it would be much higher, like 80-90%. Perhaps OP means getting tenure at your very first TT job?I imagine more than half of people don't get tenure at their first job in management, especially if you count voluntary turnover. Eventually I'd say the vast majority get it somewhere as the people who leave tend to do so early & the remainder "sort down" until they make it. A lot depends on how this is calculated. If including lecturers, adjuncts, or visiting faculty with phds, 10-20% may be reasonable (still seems a bit low) but if you're just looking at tenure-track faculty, I'm betting the numbers are much higher. You'd also have to somehow account for people who quit academia.
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12694/29Is vising assistant professor considered as postdoc?No. There is variation, but VAPs are generally paid more but have to teach (most postdocs don't teach, or at least teach less than a VAP). x3In a way yes, because people will see your job to be temporary. <-- Not all temporary jobs are created equal, my friend. D highlights an important distinction.
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12684/29Has anyone made the 2023-2024 spreadsheet yet?No.Jobs are still being posted here.Mid-May.
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12674/28How do you count the round of R&R? For instance, if I've gotten two consecutive desicions of major R&R from AMJ and the paper is currently under revision, is this 2nd Round R&R or 3rd Round R&R? Thanks!

^^this is actually a GREAT question...been wondering myself and following for answers lol
I list papers as "initial submission"-->"under review"-->"1st round R&R"-->"2nd round R&R"-->"conditionally accepted" so that'd mean 2nd Round R&R for you.I'd say you're under 3rd round of review, awaiting a 3rd decision (accept, reject, or RR)Under review --> 1st round R&R --> Under 2nd round of review --> 2 round R&R ---> Under 3rd round of review --> and so on and so forth. If I understand your question correctly, you have a 2nd round R&R until you resubmit it again, at which point you could list it on your CV as under 3rd round of review.How many times have you been asked to revise? That is the round. Asked once, that is R&R. Asked twice, that is 2nd round R&R.

^Exactly. It's not hard.
To be as clear as possible, I like: after initial submission - "Under 1st review at..."; If invited for an R&R - "Invited to revise and resubmit to..."; After submission of the R&R - "Under 2nd review at...", and so on. I also like to spell out "revise and resubmit" because I've seen people list a reject and resubmit as an "R&R". x2 < I don't get the difference between "reject and resubmit" and "revise and resubmit", don't they both kind of result in the same outcome? Not trolling, I genuinely have not been able to figure this out yet lol. << Reject and resubmit should probably be done away with but generally require a much more substantial revision than a revise and resubmit. The exception would be getting rejected from a special issue but invited to submit to the journal as a normal paper. <- Revise and resubmits convert at a MUCH higher rate than rejects. Reject and resubmits that end up published there are unicorns.
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12664/28Is 2-2 (3-1) balanced or teaching? Let's say the school also gives huge research fund.The correct question would be is 2-2 research or balanced. And the answer would be "depends on the research expectations". There are 4-4 schools out there, do you want to lump a 2-2 with a 4-4? Or are you trolling? x2<- OP: Not trolling; really curious how to differentiate. There is a wide range: from 1-0 to 4-4 (is there really 4-4?). Not sure how you differentiate R1 from R2 from balanced from teaching.Still not sure if not trolling...yes there are 4-4. There are 5-5s at community colleges and more. There are schools with 3-3 teaching loads that expect you to publish multiple As for tenure. (I know, I'm at one). 2-2 is research, leaning toward balanced in general, but it has more to do with research expectations, number of preps, research funding, etc. beyond the pure teaching load. R1 & R2 are university level classifications listed on the Carnegie website, that may have nothing to do with the business school and is tied to how many PhDs and how much research the school produces. R1s are often have research orieqnted business schools but it is not a rule of thumb nor are the two terms interchangeable. There is a huge amount of variance. Best bet is to learn about whatever institution you are talking about as it will be highly idiosyncratic. 1-0 is something that usually doesn't happen in US schools at least, perhaps at some European schools, but the teaching/research norms are vastly different across countries as well (and usually come with vastly different pay...some of the 1-0, 2-0 British schools pay the same as a well funded 5-5 community college in the US). x2I echo with F. My short thought: the term "balanced" is ambiguous itself representing how it categorizes schools. teaching loads cannot be a good proxy to determine which one is a research school or a teaching school. You need to evaluate based on what each school's tenure requirement looks like and whom you will be surrounded by (most of them are focusing on research or not?). I agree w/ D, a 2-2 would probably be either a research or balanced school, just depending on internal expectations for research on and teaching. Teaching-centric schools typically start around a 3-3....imagine thinking a 2-2 is a teaching school. What kind of world do you people live in? <- Listen, if you didnt get your PhD at a top ten program, then you didnt really get a PhD /s2-2 is primarily a research school. 3-3 straddles the line between balance and teaching. 4-4 and up is strictly teaching. x32-2 is still not uncommon at an R1 university. The standardization of 3-0 in the top schools has only taken place over the last 10-15 years. <- And there are a lot of schools that everyone thinks are 2-1/3-0 but they only are when you're a junior faculty or consistently publish. Some schools are 2-2 unless you are hitting their highest level of research productivity which is often at least 1 A every 2-3 years.FWIW, I am at a 2-2 teaching school. We are only expected to publish every 3 years and no requirement for A's. But the teaching is intense with very high expectations for quality, engagement and mentoring. No surprise, this is a highly-selective private university with small classes (avg 14 students/class) where the annual cost of attendance is up to $95K now. Frankly, I will be lucky to get a pub out once every three years. But it's still the greatest job ever.
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12654/27When people talk about teaching evaluation score, do they talk about the evaluation of the course? or evaluation of the professor? or the average of 5-6 questions (professor's expertise/knowledge, structure of the class) This is my first teaching year and our evaluation form does not have a compound score.Every universities' course evals will be a little different. Mine does provide a composite score of a few different parts of the full evaluation. In my school, that composite score is generally the only thing people look at. Since yours doesn't provide that, I would ask someone in your department how the evals are used for annual performance evaluations and tenure. Generally the different components of my composite score are pretty highly correlated but there can be small differences. There is usually some variation of "How effective was the teaching?" or "How good was the instructor?", and people normally report that particular score.

We have a bunch of other scores that people generally do NOT report (about the workload, the learning resources, the assignments, etc.).
I wish they would just drop student evals of teaching. Essentially 99% of the variance in those scores boils down to 1. likeability and 2. course difficulty.

^There is very good evidence that is not true. Instead, far too much variance boils down to if you're a woman, a foreigner, or a minority.

^That is a popular myth. While discrimination/bias do affect teaching evaluations, there is no evidence they account for nearly as much of the variance as likeability and course difficulty. Most of the evidence regarding gender/racial bias comes from RMP studies which are notoriously problematic. x2

^I'm a dept chair at a midwestern state R1. An Asian female (with a moderately strong accent) frequently gets the highest evals in our department (and we have class GPA limits), and worst is always a (i.e., one specific) middle-aged white man. I don't deny that in a very large sample, there may be some statistically detectable race/gender bias, but it is far from deterministic. Looking at hundreds of course evals every year - and reading the comments - I would say the biggest factors are: being well-organized; students are clear on what they need to do; and you can present the material cogently.

^^^ I agree that course evals have problems. I do not think they should be dropped. They just cannot be the only way to gage teaching effectiveness.
< If you're more likely to listen to someone and learn from them when you like them, then why would likeability be a negative? How much do you learn from professors you hate?

^That's a "you" issue if you only learn from people you want to sit in the room with.

^ If you're trying to make unlikeability a plus when it comes to teaching, good luck. It has never and will never work.

^No one claimed it is a plus. But teaching isn't a popularity contest/high school.

^ Except that it is, to a large degree. << Teaching evals are often a function of likeability (and other things) but teaching evals are not the as teaching ability. < Yes, that's what I implied.
Responding to F… I totally agree. I even saw one study (might have been unpublished) that found a negative relationship between course evals and students' future job performance. Evals can provide a little useful information but they are definitely not the best way to evaluate teaching ability.

^ I think the study your referring to was one done at the AFA: they randonaly assigned students to sections of Intro Calculus (only a military academy could get away with that!), then correlated teaching evals with how they did in the follow-up course. Very interesting study. Having said that, as a department chair, I can tell you the evals do mean something. Someone who gets a 4.8 isn't necessarily better than someone who gets a 4.0, but if someone gets a 2.5, there is a problem. The teachers with high evals are the ones students nominate for teaching awards and I hear from alumni about how they remember and loved that course. The ones with poor evals are the ones that consitute 99% of the complaints I get. And they could very well be teaching the same course.
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12644/27As a reviewer, have you come across a situation where you reject a paper and the editor decides to give an R&R? Should you review the revised paper in the second round or decline the invitation?When you accept a review request, you're basically committing to reviewing until a rejection or conditional acceptance. If people declined subsequent reviews just because they recommended rejection for the orginal paper, most papers would end up having anywhere from 4 to 9 different reviewers (almost every reviewer recommends rejection for almost every paper). All that to say, plan on reviewing the new paper, although you're not obligated to like it simply because the editor extended an opportunity for it to be revised. x2I don't, because I've already rendered my opinion - if its unpublishable (in this journal), it is unlublishable. Reading it again is a waste of my time. The AE only likely gave it an R&R because the author is a big name or a buddy. So fuck them. Although most reviewers will. << This is such a doltish comment I have to assume it's trolling x3 << Maybe the other reviewer liked the paper?

^You are doing a disservice to yourself and to the field. The review invitation from virtually all A journals (and probably all, though I haven't reviewed them all today) indicates that in accepting the invitation to review that you are committing to review the paper to the end regardless of outcome. If you can't make that commitment, as noted in D, you should not review the paper. I am on 3 A journal ERBs and an AE at a journal. There are several papers that have been published in leading journals that I never recommended accept for and I am perfectly ok with that. As a reviewer, my job is not to accept papers. x5

^ authors have probably spent significant time revising their manuscript in light of your concerns. So they definitely deserve to have their paper read. x3

^ As an author, if a reviewer hated my paper and will never change their mind, I'm happy for them to drop off the submission... ;)

^Good editors are not vote counters, so it shouldn't matter whether they drop off.
The reviewer's job is to provide high-quality information to assist the decision-making of the editor. Editor is the sole decision maker here. That said, if you are not interested in reviewing the same paper again, there is nothing wrong with turning down the review invitation. x2

^^This discussion has come up before, and I made the same comment there. As an AE at a TAMUGA journal, I would urge all junior scholars reading this document to NOT listen to this point above and the one to the left. Reviewers give their recommendation, but Editors make the decision. Declining to review an r&r negatively affects the process, is unfair to authors, and is likely to damage your reputation (possibly impacting a potential invite to that journal's ERB). Do what you want, but others are giving bad advice. x4
I've recommended rejection on papers that were given R&Rs and had my opinion changed in later reveiw rounds. It doesn't happen often but it has happened. And I'm pretty sure I've had this happen from the other direction where a reviewer very likely recommended rejection but we were able to change their opinion.Honestly, I'd prefer reviewers not to give accept/reject feedback. The goal of a reviewer is to provide feedback to the AE, in order to help them make a decision. Some reviewers recommend that everything be rejected, whereas others are much more lenient. Drop that piece of the feedback and stick to substantive comments on the good, the bad, and the ugly parts of a paper. < I had a former journal editor say that after a couple years he knew which reviewers would always recommend reject, which would always recommend revise or accept, and which could go either way. He tried to get a mixture of reviewers for each paper to get a full perspective.
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12634/27Job posts are coming up. We should start a new sheetNever before May 1st... ;) << It's May 1st :)
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12624/27I have trouble understanding "prep" in teaching load. Can you please give me an example? prep is the number of different courses you teach. If you teach 3 sections of the same course (e.g. intro to management) it is only one prep. Whereas teaching one section of OB, one of HR, and one of leadership would still be three classes but require 3 preps as you would need to "prep"are 3 different sets of materials.<- So if you teach 3 sections of the same course (i.e., 1 prep), is it still 1-0 teaching load? Or do you call it 3-0 (2-1)? So I was not sure 'a-b' denotes number of courses vs classes<- 3-0 indicates how many courses you teach. 3-0 means, for example, you teach 3 courses in one semester but 0 in the other semester. 2-2 would mean you teach 2 courses each on Fall and Spring semesters. Preps is a different thing, as D explained. You can have 3-0 with 1 prep (meaning it is 3 sections of Intro to Management) or you can have 3-0 with 3 preps (let's say Intro to Management, Strategy and OB). Most schools will try to limit preps. Your teaching load will depend on what type of school you are in. And generally the thing that determines the difficulty of your teaching load is the number of preps. Prepping a class is the bulk of work in teaching, so once you prep a class, it's really easy to that same prep multiple times a semester (ie you're teaching the same material 2-3 different times a day). Prepping multiple classes can be a lot of work. <Exactly. If you want to maximize your research time, a 3-0 with one prep is significantly better than a 2-0 with 2 preps. <<<< Meh. "Significantly" is a stretch. << all just depends on the classes and how often you've taught them, but I would take a 3-0 with 1 prep over a 2-0 with two prep almost every time. x2It depends on the size of the class and the grading. And whether it is a new course you develop or one where you are handed out materials. But yes, new preps are a ton of work
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12614/27From your personal experience, how much does the "Awaiting AE decision last" and what is the maximum you have waited for it?--Already a month there!1 week to 3 months. <- 4 months for me at SMJI'm also waiting a month here!
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12604/27Anyone have any experience sending manuscrips to any of the nonprofit journals (e.g., Nonprofit and Voluntary Sector Quarterly; Nonprofit Management and Leadership). How are they viewed by hiring comittees? (especially at balanced/R2 type departments)my personal take: many don't know them. The ones who know them and are in "General Management" are not enthusiastic about them. Still, better than nothing.I am at an R2 uni with aspirations to become an R1 uni. I was told that these journals would count as almost nothing at my uni.
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12594/27High status institution but low-paying job' VS 'low status but high-paying job'; which one would you choose and why? I saw a post from economics field and saw related debate; curious about our thoughts. Simply, comparing 'mid R1' against 'balanced/teaching' that happens to pay more.People outside academia don't really care as long as you're "professor". So I would go with better compensation/perks.I don't think our field has a high-status institution that has a low salary- any example?

^^ Oxbridge, Stanford MS&E


^^^ Adding, some positions outside the business school (i.e., industrial or labor relations at a major R1) likely fit this description. High status because it's an R1 and colleagues may produce exceptional research. But likely is lower pay, even relative to lower ranked business schools.

^^^^ Also, European schools are considered "R1" but pay lower (like 50-70k......max around 100-120k) than some teaching schools in US (I saw a few teaching schools pay 150k). x2
I would pick the job where I felt I was most likely to be happy and succeed. Quality of life, location, and fit were my top priorities on the job market. If all was equal between the choices, I would choose better compensation to ensure a comfortable financial situation and lifestyle. x2assuming equal cost of living, it would be tough to pass up the higher paying gig. but, as F notes, there are more aspects that go into the decision than status and pay. I've moved from higher status to lower status and am much happier. My supermarket doesn't accept "status" for payments.


^^^ Sure, but you could convert that status to [higher paying] opportunities down the road. That's kind of how social capital works. I think the question comes down to people's goals in the short term vs. long term.x2

^^^^ I see, but it is low-mid chance to actually make status pay off down the road too.

^^^Could Hope to convert that status...
I got my PhD from an R1 "large mid-western institution". At that school, it takes 6 As to get tenure. Last prof in our department to get tenure got it in 2011 or 2012. Last job market, having 2 R&Rs (one advanced) at A publications, I got 2 offers, one from a low R1, and one from a 3-3 school. Pay was similar (140 vs. 135). I took the 3-3 job, and I cannot be happier. People here are the nicest ever. I was asked to join a team within the department, and we have 2 papers out (under review) since the beginning of the school year. Teaching is easy (i have 3-3, but only 1 prep, very small classes). I don't think I will ever move. Who cares about "status"? You should care about your happines. About your ability to research whatever you care about. Choose with your heart. You've been "tortured" for 5 years, it is now time to choose happiness. x2

^^ I like your point about torture haha.
Status matters once a year when you're walking around a conference with your little name badge on. x3


^^^ I think status (and social network) researchers may disagree with you, my friend.
All else equal, status can help in getting access to companies and data.x3

^^^ Not really. I'm at high status school. Not really helpful.
Higher status schools come with some perks. It's generally easier to recruit good scholars to high-status schools, so if your department loses some good people, it will be easier to replace them with other good colleagues than when a lower-status school loses good people. High-status also comes with greater visibility and credibility with other academics and with industry (not saying these are deserved but they are there). This can make it easier to find research collaborators, guest speakers, or other industry partners.
You can still live a great life and have a great career at lower status schools, and there are many advantages to those programs.
How much does Stanford MS&E pay? <- $180k for rookies <- Ouch. Great money everywhere, but NOT in the Bay Area.

^^Not sure but thinking of living cost there, and huge state tax in CA........

^^ I've heard a lot of universities in California are comparatively low pay after adjusting for cost of living. Some of that is because state schools have rules about compensation that aren't great for business faculty but even private schools struggle with cost of living adjustments. I believe Stanford has faculty housing to help with these costs.

^^^ Exactly, even if Stanford GSB pays you 300k, taking tax out, it is roughly 160-180k (this is CA...). Plus, think of housing cost there. If your rent is 3K (could be higher) per month (unless you want to live with rommates again haha), that means the actual money you get in your hand is about 130-150k. Well not bad of course, but not way much better than others.
Depends on what you mean by status... do you mean lay prestige or academic prestige?

^^ I don't think academic prestige exists in micro OB. Lay prestige and acadmic prestige are aligned for macro/strategy. I know this is gonna trigger a debate; for example, people in the "high status" schools (mostly private) do not consider typical state school with high productivity to be academically prestigious (except for state schools that are prestigious: Ross, Darden, McCombs, Kenan-Flager). They see these state schools to be "productive" (or see it as a "factory" condescendingly) not prestigious. For example, UW is very productive, and benefits a lot from the rising tech industry in the city; however, they are not generally considered to be prestigious/elite. So I think what OP is referring to by staus is productivity (R1). x2
^^ I have a hard time agreeing with this. Prestige exists in basically every social context. x2
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12584/26Hello everyone. I am a new user of this amazing tool. I just wanted to ask whether you also post calls and information about Marketing academic positions. If no, then is there any similar initiative for Marketing? Thanks in advance! Rick :)https://marketingphdjobs.org/ <<-- Thanks!!Who the fuck gave Rick the link?! Thought we were all on the same page here. Rick was not to be given the link under any circumstances. << Rick's a nice guy, we're all better because he's here. <- Its you that gave Rick the link, innit?PICKLE RICKKKK
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12574/26Just received a 2nd RR from OBHDP, still high-risk major revision. What's the chances of getting rejected after 2 rounds of RR at OBHDP? I am so scared and sressed now, as I will be on the job market this year and I cannot afford the price of getting rejected...:(Can you afford to leave it as a R&R on your CV for the job market? If so, perhaps hold off on submitting it until after your job market- you can ask for an extension if needed. x2<- I know this is well-intenioned, but I think it is bad advice. 1. You have to consider your coauthors, and whether they want to let a paper sit. 2. It could go through - and a conditional accept is >> 2ndR&R. 3. You need to play the long game, and letting papers languish too long is not conducive to that. 4. It usually hurts more than it helps if it has been too long since reviewers have seen it last. x3If the OP is risk-averse, then sitting on the paper until after the market makes sense. If there is a strong chance of getting a conditional accept, of course that's a no brainer to submit earlier. x2You can send it out in September. It's unlikely you'll hear back from them until the year end then.And, if it gets accepted before OP starts at his/her new university, the paper may not count toward tenure. Some schools require the university designation on it to count. Seems to be a bigger issue with balanced and teaching schools though.How long do you have? I tend to take my time and even ask extensions. If you are just getting this, you probably have until at least the end of the summer anyway (if not longer). There is little chance that the paper will be accepted (or rejected) as you submit the majority of your applications - it will be a 2nd R&R. If you just got it, you were probably give 3-4 months to resubmit. That puts the resubmission into late July-August. I doubt the next decision happens in under 3 months, which puts the decision into late October-November. I would probably say to resubmit as quickly as possible anyways, but it probably won't affect your job market regardless. And every RR is different; I've had some high-risk RRs that were actually pretty easy and others impossible. If you and your coauthors feel good about your ability to revise the paper, put in all the effort you can to get it conditionally accepted.Consider this also.. editors use stock email responses for part of their feedback. Part of this is almost always indicating that the R&R "entails major revisions, and is no guarantee of success." It could just be boilerplate.

^ Okay. Well, we're all hungry. We're gonna get to our hotplates soon enough, alright? Let's talk about the contract here.
All revisions are high risk... The more important question is do you feel that the reviewers' and editor's comments are addressable after reading their review reports? If yes, then fear not. x2High-risk was high-risk to me.... didn't work out.<< I had an R&R at OBHDP on my job market year (was my job market paper). I got the R&R in March and waited about 11 months to submit it, not really strategically but because I needed to collect a new group lab study that took forever, and I was really busy during the market. I recently resubmitted it and the pro is that it will count for tenure at my faculty job.
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12564/26When does the editorial team from AMR change? Usually summer, I think around July. Starts 1st of JulyDidn't it recently change? They change every year or every 3 years?
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12554/26Any good textbook recommended for intro course of international business?Textbook by Charles Hill is widely used<<--Thanks
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12544/25In the submission site of ASQ, will the status of "under review" be changed after all the reviewers submit their comments? Wondering whether my paper still awaits reviewer comments or editor decision.Yes, it will change to Awating Decision
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12534/25I'm an AA and looking to explore the market starting in the fall, and would like to not make my current employer/colleagues aware of my search activity. However, a close departmental colleague will be one of the many faculty volunteering in the AOM Career Center and this person would likely know if I was interviewing at the AOM conference.

What's your advice so that I can remain incognito but have full access to job opportunities--should I NOT engage through the career center at all and do all of my application, interviewing, etc. completely external to the AOM conference? Are there good alternative pathways? Or, is there a way to maintain anonymity while engaged through the career center?
AA who was on the market this year. Apply to all the AOM Jobs. Schools know that they need more discretion with AAs so they will make accomodations if they are interested in you (e.g., meeting you somewhere else, zoom interview etc). I agree w/ D. Just mention something in your cover letter or communication w/ the schools and they'll be accomodating. And I would not bother with the career center at AOM in your situation. It feels like AOM has been a less critical step in the job market process since COVID. <- It was declining in importance well before that. Even 20 years ago, we debated whether interviewing at AoM was even worth it. <- That means it's importance hasn't really decreased.. at least for a set of schools which want to start/end the process as early as possible (mostly lower tier but a few big ones as well). I interviewed and just had coffee offsite.
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12524/24A colleague shared that they found their lecture slides online in some slide repositories. Possibly done by a student. Any tips on how to avoid this? Don't share them? << Some universities (example: mine) insist on the slides being shared with studentsHappens, wouldnt worry about it. x4If you share slides with students, they will end up posted somewhere online. Two things I do: 1. Have a watermark on every slide that says Copyrighted XXX (have it semi-transparent so they can still see the slide) and/or 2. Have your university bookstore print a course packet (i.e., your slides as a spiral-bound packet). Costs students $10; they can either buy it or take notes the old fashion way. Solves the issue from what I can tell (as I have yet to find a copy of my notes online) <<Good tips, thanksSincere question here. Why would someone not want their slides showing up online? I share my slides with students before class begins so they can take notes more efficiently during class, so there's nothing in the slides that would give away any secrets or discourage students from preparing from class. I also don't feel concern about my teaching materials being public because I want the information shared broadly anyway. But I know many people get upset when they discover their materials online, so there must be a reason I'm overlooking? x2 <<Depends on the topic. Perhaps the ones who are upset feel so if they build materials from scratch and/or utilize data from unpublished papers

^ Let's see... 1. It's my material, not the worlds, 2. If they have the powerpoints, they think they have all the information they need to do well (even if you tell or show them it's only part of the information), 3. Many students won't bother coming to class, 4. Research shows taking notes in your own words helps facilitate learning x2
If you provide material in any way (slides, printout of slides, display slides during class that students may take pictures of), they can be shared. It is true that sharing it may violate copyright, but we also know that there is little that can be done to take down material from the internet. Ultimately, you need to decide if there are negative consequences to your teaching experience if the slides appear. Personally, my slides are mostly placeholders for discussion (i.e., they give key words, certain definitions, etc) - most of the learning comes from lecture and discussion stemming from the lecture. < similar to I my slides are not particularly valubale unless you're in class and part of the discussion. they're mostly images and I use them to guide discussion. also, I only use slides in about 1 of 3 classes, preferring to use the dry erase board most of the time to jot down discussion notes, models, etc. Thanks I & J. My university expects us to give detailed slides on the basis of students having learning challenges (but also as attendance is low)We may overestimate how valuable our slides are, and how many people will look at them if posted online. The majority of my students don't care about my slides and I highly doubt anyone outside my students will care about the slides at all. Students post them to websites in order to get access to material from other classes. x2You have to be a complete loser to look at slides of a class that you're not in. <- Even the students in my class don't look at my slides, I'm not too worried about random strangers looking at them. Pro-Tip: Share your slide notes with students as a PDF. If the PDFs end up online, I would care less than if my editable PowerPoint slides ended up online (where people could easily claim the work as their own, such as students or even other faculty, although that's a separate debate). As a PDF...sure students can figure out a way to export all of your images and text, but that's probably more work than most people are willing to do.<< Even pro-er tip, don't use slides. <<What if you are at a university that insists on delivering slides? << Tell them you don't use slides so have nothing to deliver to students.
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12514/24How will you compare the quality of JOM and PPsy papers? Why do more schools value PPsy over JOM?They don't. << while it's true that JOM is broadly valued as much as if not more than PPsych, if you value micro/HRM more than macro, PPsych is a well- and highly-respected journal. << no one said it isn't a good journal.Both are respectable 50/50 As among the top 100 research schools. Neither is part of the Big 7 journals in managment (i.e., AMJ, AMR, ASQ, JAP, OBHDP, OS, and SMJ), but they are both in the tier right below that. It depends on the school's preferences if it'll count for tenure, so just ask your department head. <- Agreed. Nice summary.

At my school (top 30 R1), PPsych counts as an A- (so it'll count if your other pubs are in the Big 7 outlets), whereas JOM is a B, but I know it's the other way around at some friends' institutions.
for us, I am macro, JOM counts higher. If your school is in the southern area, they value JOB over Ppsy. However, it also depends on whether you are in the macro or in the micro area. Long story short, both journals are good but some schools consider them as A- or B, while some consider them as a solid A. Also, it depends on the area and school. But, my question is, OP! why does it matter?My school (R1) values JOM (A+) over PPsych (A). Both would count for tenure, but JOM will carry more weightAs far as journal metrics go, JOM is stronger. Individual and school percepitons may have PPsych higher because of tradition.
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12504/23Does anyone who has been working with chatgpt know how you can post large amounts of text for chatgpt to read and summarize? I tried to post my own paper on the web using dropbox but chatgpt said it wasn't a public page, so then i posted the paper as a blog post on the blogspot.com domain and chatgpt said google was blocking it from reading the document even though it was a publicly available page. how can i post the text so it's publicly accessible for the app to read?maybe try wordpress instead of blogspot as wordpress is open source, it might allowI think Edge has a plug-in that allows AI to summarize pages. I don't think that have to be public, but I don't know for sure. Are you using GPT 4? I believe it's more flexible with file locations and sizesYou could try the website heyGPT.chat. It should be able to do what you're asking though you might have to pay a little for it.
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12494/22What would search committes think of a book contract alongside a normal journal portfolio? I go on the market the year after next and have interest from some editors in my work that's caught some media attention. I'm not expecting it to be a boost to my hireability, but I'm wondering if I should keep it quiet on the market.(rookie here) in general management scholars do no like when junior academics become successful in non-academic areas

^C2 here. Just to be clear, this would be an academic book with a university press. But yes, I think some people in our field don't see books as academic contributions like journal articles. << E here. Books are way more time-consuming & requires more effort - and accomplishes much more impact. But, the tenure system is fixated on papers
Keep quiet on the market if you are aiming at a position at a balanced or research-intensive school. It would be considered as an activity that negatively affects your research potential If it is a mainly teaching school, it might be a good signal. the field is so warped and toxic. thinking like their research is read by the practioners (at all). compare the impact factor of our journals and books (although there is no "impact factor" of books; you can guess from the sales and etc.) x3 <- You can always check citations which are much better than impact factors anyway when comparing impact at large.

^Sales do not imply high quality research. Some of the most popular, well read, well sold books have virtually no empirical validity whatsoever.
This looks like a row that is entirely populated by one person so far. Anyone can write a book. My kid could write a book. I've published a book and it is basically just grammar and spelling.

^^ Behold, folks: this is what failure sounds like.
Hey OP: It is appreciated at the top schools (top 5) along side top tier publications. Im guessing you are an ethnographer? If you look at people like Anteby or Kellogg, pre-tenure they published books. As you can see from other comments, our field does not really appreciate it. I'd thought about writing a book but I just dont have the bandwidth to pursue that alongside journal articles. Maybe you do, but know that outside of the top 5 it is not valued. And may be seen as a distraction.

^ OP here. Thank you. I actually didn't realize Kellogg had a book!
If you publish a (good) book on your topic I'm going to be more impressed than I would be with an ASQ. Not valued at my R2 for tenure compared to an additional pub, even with a well-regarded publisher. When I asked my chair they indicated it was suboptimal compared to time spent working on additional articles. I've also asked collaborators at multiple R1s who have given me responses ranging from "Do it only as a passion project knowing it won't count for tenure" to "Don't do it."It is not valued for a tenure package or only marginally (if in a good uni press). Yet, it is a good way to differentiate yourself as very few people take this bet.Less valued in our field but surprised to see people saying it might be even devalued-so toxic if that's true <<I wrote that it would be devalued as it stems from my experience and from that of a few others. I had received some grief over this during my interviews a few years ago at places I've been, it would not help you get the job. many would give the same advice stated here so far. but I will add that these schools would (mostly) consider it a plus as an addition to a packet for full. I think that the assumption here is that you won't have add the body of work to justify pursuing a scholarly book earlier in your career (in addition to having the time to devote to it and not journal articles). for OP, it sounds like you might have the former and should evaluate whether it's worth the sacrifice. I'd also have to believe the publisher would matter a lot. there are many out there with opinions like G, but this might be mitigated somewhat by having a very prestigious publisherMy impression is books are more common on the macro side than on the micro side. HOWEVER, I believe only peer reviewed scientific publications will help you make progress towards the tenure bar. While you could write a book pre tenure, it's not clear to me it would count towards tenure at a lot of places. So the question then becomes whether or not you'd like to share a major project pre tenure that won't improve your tenure dossier.I'm at an R2 that values working w/ industry. I have a handful of books/book chapters and they are completely ignored in discussions about tenure. I think books may matter more at later stages of a career. As far as the job market, I wouldn't bring it up.
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12484/22If you're submitting to SMA, do your tables really have to conform to JoM's very idiosyncratic [and redundant] formatting requirements? As a reviewer, I'd probably say something if they weren't but I wouldn't reject on the basis of not being JOM format. Try to do it if you can, and if not, keep it consistent with field norms so it doesn't look too odd for reviewers (e.g., APA, AOM). I've seen submissions that were a complete misfit for our field based on tables & figures first, then read the text and it was clearly out of place.As long as the tables look professional and consistent, I strongly doubt SMA will care if they perfectly match JOM style. Just look at a few issues of JOM and you'll see some variation in table formats. Reviewers shouldn't bring up table formatting at all–this would mean they spent time figuring out "proper" formatting that could have been spent focusing on things about the paper that actually matter.
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12474/22What was your favorite aom conference location?Definitely not Seattle! x2 > What happened? >> The conference area was not well maintained; lots of trash, feces, etc on the streets. There also weren't a ton of places to each within walking distance.

^another Seattle coming up soon!
Seattle was DISGUSTING, PERIOD. I kinda liked Boston before COVID. x3I was really looking forward to Vancouver - but maybe it's as big of a shithole as Seattle? < I drove up there for a day trip from Seattle and it seemed much better << I haven't been to Vancouver since AOM was there but it was a great city. Boston for sure! Also liked Chicago. Really hated Seatle. x2Chicago. Senior scholars like to find somewhere exotic for the paid vacation. I prefer being closer and cheaper. < Cheap would be great, but Chicago was still expensive. Boston, Chicago, and Seattle are all very expensive. The other two future locations are Copenhagen and Philadelphia and I'm not sure how expensive they are. Vancouver B.C. - beautiful city, tons of restaurants/night life in proximity to the conference, many conference hotels are located on the harbor.Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I actually liked Seattle. I thought it was a cool city. Of course there was some riff raff, but most cities have that. << I've traveled to a lot of big cities and I don't remember them being physically gross like Seattle. And I know there are plenty of nicer areas of Seattle but the conference area was not great. I always enjoyed Orlando and Anaheim, but not sure others did. x5 < Anaheim was great in that everything was close together but there wasn't as much stuff outside of conference venues within walking distance as other cities. Have heard that there was one in Hawaii.... obviously, many attended the conference, but most didn't make it to the sessions

^ I believe there were 2 in Honolulu. There will not be a 3rd.
Seattle was dreadful. Would rather skip AOM than have to go back there.Vancouver is the best, a beautiful city and lots of restaurants and bars. But the last time there was 2015; 2020 got cancelled due to Covid and 2025 (it's next turn up) it got replaced by Copenhagen. I wish another one got replaced for Copenhagen. I liked it better when the meeting went to a different city each year. We have gotten too big. << AOM is big but there are even larger conferences held in other cities. The metro I'm in isn't in the top 20 largest in the US and regularly hosts conventions similarly sized or larger than AOM.

^AOM isn't a convention though, it's a meeting. The number of meeting rooms that are required are typically more than most major cities have. Convention space is not the issue. << Sorry, I meant to say conventions and meetings, including other very large academic conferences.
Boston was very good. Orlando was good. Vancouber was not bad, Chicago is not good. But San Franciso where I often stopoverred was the best.
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12464/22What's your favourite ever paper? And why?My firsr A pub that helped me to land a good job. Carton's Man on the Moon paper.My working paper
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12454/21what do you think about the ban on tenure in Texas? (Senate Bill 18). How will it affect the job prospects for us?
https://twitter.com/madkisonews/status/1649169888043253760
I doubt it will pass the TX house.Same in NC, new bill would eliminate tenure at UNC for new faculty hired in 2024 if passed: https://ncnewsline.com/2023/04/19/new-bill-targets-tenure-calls-for-scrutiny-of-research-at-unc-system-campuses-community-colleges/ If they want to tank their public universities, it's a solid way to do so. <-- and what is unfortunate is that many politicians do not care. They view college-educated students as a threat to their power (due to voting patterns). So, this set of politcians would rather be in power in a POS state than share some power in a great state. < Given how iedological academia has become, I completely understand these politicians < people on this sheet really going mask off huh, DEI statements are the devil but literally banning the teaching/study of specific topics (like they did in Tennessee) or subjecting faculty to political review is A-OKBut it is true that only US is where they have this life-long tenure, which causes a lot of problems for younger people joining the market. I think there should be some cap, like 65 or 70 yrs. x2 << A lot of schools already have policies about this and a lot of people are happy to retire as soon as they can. I don't think an age cap would be all that helpful at opening spots for junior faculty.G: well, that is age discrimination, and although it does occur in the US, it is illegal. Age should not be the criteria to involuntarily end one's career, it should be job performance. A misconception about tenure is that it protects faculty who have poor job performance. This is only true to the extent administrators let it be true. Otherwise, tenured faculty can be fired for cause (yes, even in unionized environments where I work). There are many amazing faculty in their 60s and 70s, peak of intellectual ability. <<<<< they can be fired in theory… until the faculty senate blows it up in their face. In other words, Administration isn't going to do it except for extremely rare cases <- True. Tenure makes it VERY difficult to fire incompetent faculty. Admins only take action if gross misconduct is involved. <---Faculty Senates have no teeth, all bark and no bite. The worst they can do is a vote of no confidence in an administrator, and that only causes a change around half the time. Moves to end tenure have been brewing for a very long time. So far they've never amounted to real change but it does seem like there's more momentum towards curtailing tenure right now than in years past. It would not surprise me if once one state passes a law, many others will follow suit so they look equally tough against academia. Impossible to say what effect this will have if several states pass laws. I think the practical effects for faculty will be small, but it could result in schools struggling to hire.
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12444/21My question got deleted, but what is the acceptance rate of SMS? Thanks! Let x = the acceptance rate of SMS
0<=x<=100
Best I can do for your question...
There're over 1500 submissions this year; last year was over 1400, the year before over 1100 (covid effect perhaps). You may count how many papers were presented in the last two years to have an assessment.50%? <-that would be my guess too. The bar isn't high.!
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12434/21Thoughts on LQ? Is it easy to get an R&R without famous coauthors?1. Having famous co-authors does not move the needle that much. It is largely overstated on this sheet. Their name might help on borderline cases, but they get rejected all the time.

2. It is a good journal with great metrics. Well respected in all OB/HR departments regardless if they count it as an A or not.
< agree with D. as an AE (not at LQ) I rarely pay attention to who the authors are. also, think it is a good journal. I will add that you should read Antonakis et al. (2010) and make sure you can satisfy / present sound casual claims if you submit there. otherwise, an empirical paper has essentially no shot there x2I'm going to bet that the correlation between the number of times you cite Antonakis and your probability of being accepted is pretty close to perfect. I stop sending my papers to LQ because of him. Hopefully he will be gone soon. I am not alone in having this wish. << Hasn't he been there for a while? And his former students too? < I thought they already announced he's out and George Banks (UNCC) is taking over? Maybe I'm wrong? <= yes, he is gone, thank god! Not that I am interested in submitting to LQ any time soon after all the damages he has done to the journal.<I suspect Antonakis sniffs his own farts and smiles in the glory. It's so strange that all of his most hated things (like PLS) always work out in his favor when he craps on them but top journals in other fields where he doesn't maintain control readily accept the models he suggests are unacceptable. I didn’t know about the perception that Antonakis harmed LQ. Why? Genuinely curious—I thought he just tried to improve rigor and, among other things, implemented some open science principles at the journal. << Don't know about LQ but I've been rejected at similar B journals that were trying to improve their rigor and my paper didn't meet the standard. And at the same time I was rejected, the journals were publishing papers with much worse methodolgies, and have continued to do so in the years since. Editors can almost always find a way to reject a paper if they want.
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12424/21SMS costs US$ 1,149 for members and US$ 1,289 if you are not a member. Has it always been this expensive?Yes. Have to pad the millions in reserve.Suddenly I feel better about my rejectionYes, SMS is one of the most expensive conferences. <<< one of... it is the most expensiveIts a waste of money, went last year and regretted itPrice varies a little each year depending on location. Definitely worth it IMO, if I could only attend one conferences this would be it.

^It is indeed the best conference. Still the price is too much
The high price certainly limits attendance and helps keep the poorer students/faculty away. <- or, as SMS leadership like to spin it - they practice inclusive exclusivity. <-- ha ha! That's a great one.
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12414/20UK folks: how much is your teaching load each academic year as an AP? < Teaching load is fairly low across UK, similarly, pay is really shit aross almost all UK schools (and, yes, that includes Oxbridge -- only Cambridge hires on Assistant level btw, and they pay 50-55k, NOT 60 or more as is sometimes stated on this sheet)2:0 in my university x22:1 with 3 preps but the second one is just being an academic advisor, very light. Teaching loads are light compared to the US
^^Newcomer here: what does 2:1 mean? can you please clarify? << 2 in one semester & 1 in another semester < Thanks! how does the number of prep matter?
1:0 for first two years, then 2:0 after that. very light! << This is very promising!Are there lots of students? And TAs?
^ Student numbers are higher in the undergrad/non-MBA courses but lesser in the MBA cohort. You have access to a pool of TAs to help but it needs to be approved before the start of a term. << Thanks. I would be teaching undergrads and they are not telling me how many students
In my UK research school, the number of modules you teach depends on the number of students which can range from 20 to 600 students. So, you might be teaching 1 600-student undergrad module year or 2 smaller modules a year. There is also a distinction between being a module leader (main responsible person) and just teaching or grading on the module. We do not really get any TAs or graders at my school. Grading alone takes multiple weeks - think about grading 300 essays and providing detailed comments for each... << Would this be the case also in Russell Group universities? And how detailed are the comments? At my current university we only grade - there are no comments. << yes, I am at Russel Group uni. We are asked to have a comment for each paragraph/section. << I have been following conversations about how faculty are creating rubrics for assessing essays and using them to have ChatGPT "read" and "comment" on essays and exams. If the quality of those comments are good, it seems like this would be a lifesaver for someone who is expected to read 300 essays and provide meaningful feedback in time for students to absorb/use that feedback before the end of the term. << 300! yikes. Even if I had the assignment due on the first day of class, I would struggle to get that much grading done before the semester ended. "Comment for each paragraph/section" - as demanding as reviewing a manuscript? << not as demanding as reviewing a manuscript, of course. I guess the goal is to make students understand exactly why they got the grade they got and avoid further questions. It is very time-consuming though...Plus, we have moderators meaning that someone external to the module checks a portion of your grading. < Checks for what? To increase the grade?< mostly to check grading consistency and if the grade is really in the range where it should be. If we have 600 students, then typically mutiple people are doing grading, so consistency can be an issue.
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12404/20Is there a way to search specific desks on Management Science's forthcoming articles? Let's say I only want to see the papers coming from the Organizations department. How can I do that?Nox2Put the names of the department editors in the 'Search' field on the Management Science website, then sort by Newest First, then click through to see which ones have the phrase "This paper was accepted by [Department Editor], [Department Name]." Simples.
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12394/19Does anyone know where I can download a copy of the ABS journal list? When I go to the CABS website it requires that I create an account to log in and view the list, but when I try to log in using the username/password combo I just created, it says no such combination exists, and the site never sends me an email to confirm account creation so I can't activate the "lost password" function. Anywhere else I can get the list?I know - I hate this website.... Unfortunately, there is no document, it is a sucky interactive website. What journal are you looking at?someone made a PDF of it. I can't remember how I got it, but I have a copyhttps://harzing.com/resources/journal-quality-list

This has ABS and many others
^ And for those who care, harzing doesn't share an excel version of her list so you're stuck with a clunky pdf file. Fortunately, if you have access to acrobat pro you can save the pdf as a word doc and then move the tables into excel and do what you want with them.
I downloaded the ABS list from the website about a month ago, so it should be possible. << OP here. That's nice that you were able to do it, but as I noted in detail, I followed all the instructions, created an account, and the site would not email me the confirmation link to finish setting up an acocunt to access the site, nor would it allow me to change a password to try accessing the site. Others have noted they've had problems also. If you were able to download the file, would you be willing to share a link to it here for those who seem to be frozen out? The Harzing list is not helpful. << Have you checked your spam folder?
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12384/19Wasn't there an interview tab in the doc earlier this year? Where people would record their zoom & flyout invites? What happened to that tab?Still there.Tabs are just after the Postdoc tab.
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12374/19Journal Editors: How do you deal with late reviewers even after sending reminders? At what point do you cut the person loose and find someone else? What if it is a revision?I only care about having at least two reviews in the first round. After that, I will handle it as long as one of them turn it in.
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12364/19Can you recommend a paper that treats industry effects as time-variant to reflect the fact that the main industry can change over years?But the general industry makeup does not change much over time.

^Ironically, my lecture this semester had an SP500 company change its SIC identifier twice since two years ago. Perhaps this anecdotal observation may cause some pause that companies don't change their industry.
Add industry-year fixed effects? <- That's a lot of degrees of freedom...Are you thinking of something like Dess and Beard?Control for the [yearly] industry average of the DV instead of using industry fixed effects. Problem solved. Or just used mixed-effects models with random effects for firm or industry.
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12354/18How does summer support work after tenure? I assume that your base salary increases by 8-10% following promotion to associate, but do you still get summer support as well? Do you apply competitively? (Non-guaranteed but you typically get it if you are productive?)

^Prime example of a question that is pointless to ask here because itvaries so much shcool by school. << There's value in knowing how other schools made these decisions.
This is very idiosyncratic to school. My top 25-30 school has a summer support policy where you have to have a few As over like a 4 year period to get 2/9. I know other colleagues whose schools don't give any summer unless you have a chaired position.

I would also note that our bump to Associate was $5k, but we are on the very low end (and it is a university specified amount).
In my case, it is $10k as long as you are research active. You need to apply every few years to renew it. At my school it depends on publication resultsper D, it varies. our assocaite bump is $7,500 (university-specified amount) and our summer support is only gauranteed for 3 years. after that, you have to apply and it's typically a relatively small amount (in part because it comes out of our department funds and in part because they try to make sure all research active folks get something)Summer is not guaranteed after tenure in my department but can be awarded depending on research productivity. To my knowledge, it never has been awarded despite productive faculty, but in theory it could be.In my deparment (balanced/teaching school) we are guaranteed summer support until tenure, and then after that to qualify for summer support we have to have published three peer-reviewed pubs in prior 6 years (and ABS 4* count as two). Raise to associate is fixed at $10K (univ-wide rule) and summer support is fixed at $18K, which is approximately 2/9 of bottom end of AP starting salary band. We also get lots of summer opportunities for extra income via teaching compressed executive courses, so I could make an extra month's salary for teaching a week-long workshop.
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12344/18Unfortunately I believe I am going on the market again next year... Is there a google docs like this for next year already? No. This one will be closed when there is a new one. >>> Just saw some new job postings. Somebody please make a new one!!!!!Same here. On a positive note, we got some job market experience!
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12334/18I resubmitted a paper after an R&R, and I thought it would immediately go out to the reviewers after being processed. But it hasn't. Does this mean the AE is reading it first, or is it more likely that the AE just hasn't gotten around to sending it out to the reviewers? Is there a chance that I get a new reviewer if I made major changes?Congratulations on your R&R! Remember, editors are volunteering in service roles. So, I wouldn't expect anything to happen "immediately", per se. It's possible the editor is reading it. It's also possible they haven't gotten to it yet, because they're doing the job they get paid for (in this case, I'm specifically referring to responsibilities at their institution, including teaching and mentoring). I suspect you wouldn't get new reviewers unless one of your current reviewers drops out. Best case is the AE reads it and decides not to send back to reviewers because it's close enough for conditional acceptance. And I know AEs can make that assessment quickly, but it will still likely take at an hour or so. Depending on how many other papers are ahead of you in the queue and what else the AE has going on, the AE may take a few days to decide anything. Depends on the journal. Which journal is your paper under review at ?AE at a journal. Usually I send back to the same reviewers within 36 hours. However, those same reviewers still take 1-2 weeks agreeing to review. That means in the system it doesn't say "with reviewers" or whatever the next step is until all 3 have agreed again. Congrats on the R&R! If the same reviewers take 1-2 weeks agreeing to review, do they have the original four week deadline (from the original email inviting them to the review the revision), or does the four week clock start when they accept? I understand that these deadlines aren't strict either way.
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12324/18Anyone with experiences on submitting and publishing JOM review paper? My proposal has been accepted and I submitted the full paper. According to the call for proposal, by April 15, authors will receive the feedback and needs to resubmit it on June 15. My questions are: 1) is it possible to get "rejected" in this round? 2) I haven't received the review from the reviewers yet and I wonder whether June 15 will be a hard deadline It has only been three days. Relax.Proposals that were accepted do get rejected. But agree with D, relax and enjoy for now/.I can't say with certainty, but if there are long delays getting a decision, and you're invited to revise, the editors will likely be understanding if you need a few more days to get everything done. it's also possible they are waiting on the reviewer(s). I have published one, and don't think it was the date that was hard and fast but more the timeline - that is, I'm pretty sure they gave us 60 days from the day of the decision1) Yes, it is possible to get rejected. But...
2) It is not unheard of that your paper needs a bit more work, and the AE is digesting it. You could get an R&R but the paper may ultimately get pushed back to next review issue.
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12314/17 curious how you all approach research collaborations. recently, it feels like im a one man show on papers i have with collaborators. where i'm mainly working alone on all aspects of the project. is this normal? noIf that's the case, you need to dump your coauthors. I've dropped people off of papers for lack of contribution before, but thankfully haven't had to do that in a while. If they haven't substantively contributed, it is actually unethical to list them as a coauthor. x2<<< It is also unethical to remove someone unless you magically can remove all their words, ideas, or analyses. <- There has to be nuance to this discussion. Broadly speaking, I disagree with you, OP of F. There are guidelines in our profession - see APA for example - that clearly state - if ONLY funding has been provided, you cannot list that person as a coauthor. Similarly, if the person has ONLY provided an idea, again, that does not make them a coauthor. The contribution has to be SUBSTANTIAL - even if the person is a last author. Sorry but comments like yours, OP of F, make me think that all phd students should attend a course on coauthorship determinations. <<< Get off your high horse. First, I never mentioned funding. Second, the term "substantial" is highly subjective. "Sorry but comments like yours" need some "nuance to this discussion" because there are many potential downsides with little upside. <<< Sigh. That was unnecessarily rude. There are people working very hard to set up such guidelines so that people like the original OP don't get taken advantage of. Free-ridership is a pervasive problem after all - wouldn't you agree? Not just APA, but there's also credit taxonomy guidelines - used by several top journals might I add. These guidelines are a potential solution to a pervasive problem. If you got another solution - please do share - because I'm all ears. You may want to consider the fact that if people are able to create guidelines - which have been adopted by a lot of people - then these things may be a lot less subjective than some people make them out to be. <<<< It is indeed a problem, but so is suggesting to PhD students that they can kick off people from papers. We are in a long, overly social game where a bad co-author here-and-there is not worth worrying about. These guidelines exist in theory but not in practice across many disciplines. <<< You may be right. But consider this. In society, we rely on the rule of law when things go wrong, don't we? If I have a dispute with my landlord, there is a contract that we fall back on - there are certain protections in place for both parties. Similarly, in academia, we are trying to establish guidelines or some kind of rule of law to protect people - powerful people included. These guidelines may be used in "theory but not in practice," but that is merely indicative of an immature field - not indicative of the why these guidelines are not useful. To clarify, I do not think that PhD students should kick people off papers - there are relational consequences to that. But if we can establish some guidelines that one can use to show a free-rider that they are free-riding - that could be immensely helpful to creating a better culture in academia. If not, we will forever be having arguments about how this is all subjective. A state of subjectivity only serves the powerful and frankly, free-riders.I know one journal where you can put how each of the authors has contributed after the conclusion section. Oh yeah! In future projects, avoid them as if they were COVID.If you're first author, you usually do all the heavy lifting, at least in my experience. Co-authors act more like friendly reviewers with helpful feedback and, sometimes, editing and writing suggestions. x2
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this has not been my experience. On every paper in which I am a coauthor, it's clear that everyone is expected to make a major contribution (writing/revising whole sections, contributing to data collection/analysis, figuring out the contribution, etc.). Separately, if the OP is doing all the work themselves, they may want to ask themselves if clear expectations and boundaries have been established to specify the work that participants will complete. In the past I have worked with coauthors who said they wanted contributions from the whole team, then did 90% of the work themselves in private, then complained when half the coauthor team simply disappeared. As first author, it is not necessarily your job to DO all the work yourself, but you should be MANAGING how the work is done. x2

^ I've been on papers with both approaches. much of it comes down to co-author preferences and/or norms. I have one team where the first-author is expected to do most o fht ework and the others pitch in along the way but mostly act like reviewers. I have another team where everyone has a pretty substantial role. I prefer the latter, mostly because I don't enjoy not contributing a lot to a paper
I would suggest specific things for your coauthors to do. Give them tasks and a timeframe, and if they blow you off, tell them that you're moving forward without them x3OP here, thanks everyone for your comments. Just to give contexts, the co authors are more senior and in more mentoring positions to me. so it is difficult to kick them off or not work with them. i wonder if working with more junior people may be better - like they contribute more and get more invested?

^ Pros and cons to both. Senior might not work but can add value through their network or their pointed comments. Junior might work more but more work does not always mean a better outcome. I have found in my papers (n=20) that a balance works best for me.

^^ You could also aim for the early-mid career sweet spot where coauthors know what they're doing and still motivated to push out research.
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12304/15What do you think of exploring the job market during one's tenure review year? Some argue that it provides a safety net, increases marketability, and can be used for negotiating a higher salary, while others caution that it may signal disloyalty to the institution and potentially harm tenure prospects. What insights or advice have you recieved on this matter?"Disloyalty? I heard one Dean say, always be on the market to know your true worth and stay only if you are happy here. I am not sure if that is the norm or just an outlier. go on the market in your tenure year is a must. x4Be loyal to whom is loyal if you want to be loyal. Otherwise, do what is best for you.Go on the market if you are interested in getting a new job. Do not interview just to interview. Interviewing if you have no interest in moving is unethical, and any Dean who says you need to have an outside offer to get a raise is themselves unethical. x2 <- Smart deans proactively make sure 'marketable' faculty stay close to market so they're not tempted to interview. Schools lie to candidates to woo them and it can be pretty convincing/tempting.


There must be one hell of a lot of unethical deans out there then.
E -- but how does that work? When getting to a new school they don't reset the clock, right? And another question is -- under what conditions do they reset/not reset the clock?

^ depends on the school/circumstance. I went on the market during my tenure year. got an offer. negotiated a one year clock at my new school. got tenure the next year.

^ very interesting, thanks for sharing. So they counted your pubs in rank for promotion? And what was your strategy during this one year?

^ yes, they counted all my pubs towards tenure at their school. They were clear that they wanted me to have something with their name on it before I went up. I had several R&Rs (including a couple late stage) so I was pretty confident I could meet that expectation. my strategy was to focus a lot on those projects but also to start collaborating with their faculty and doc students ASAP. That way, even if nothing hit during that one year, I could show them my value (pipeline + mentoring, etc.)

^ Very smart! Thanks a lot, it is very helpful! < thank you and you're welcome!! best of luck
We're told by our dean to get outside offers from peer schools to strengthen our case (with tenure, re H). Re the ethics of this, think of it what you will, but it's not the dean saying that they'd judge us based on our outside offers but it makes it easier to argue for the case in front of faculty from other departments, the provost, etc.<- There is plenty of information out there about market prices etc. If others (depts., provost, etc.) don't get that, or that they need to be shown the "worth" of the faculty member by their alternate offers, the dean is not doing her/his job properly. <- The value of our work is still pretty idiosyncratic. I dont know how helpful comps are in establishing a scholar's specific market value. <- What do you mean by idiosyncratic? Should people studying RBV get paid differently than people studying Institutional Theory? To me it is relatively standard, you are publishing in certain quality journals and have certain quality teaching. That is pretty standard within different tiers of schools. <- I here, that's all well and good but a) in our case, the dean isn't the one making the decision by themselves, if at all (talking about the tenure vote, not pay, fyi) and b) just trying to provide insight into how it works at my school. Don't know about you, but there's only so much grand-standing I'm willing to do when my case is on the line :) <- J here. I have no issue with what you need to do, I hear you, my clock is ticking too :) It is the "deanspeak" that I have a problem with. Having faculty get an outside offer to get a raise is dumb and not supported by research (research actually says this practice does more harm than good). But to the OP question… A lot depends on how confident you are in getting tenure and how much you want to stay at the school. If you feel confident and want to stay, I wouldn't bother. If either of those aren't true, you should consider interviewing the year you go up. Even if you don't get tenure, you should have one more terminal year to find a new job, but not having the pressure of finding a job during that year can be helpful.

^ I agree with the sentiment that it is dumb. And with the notion that for many (myself included) feeling forced to go on a visit would entice me to actually take the new offer, not negotiate it. Unfortunately, there are schools that require this for more significant raises. Our dean has to go to the provost and the provost won't approve an increase without an outside offer. it's just one of many areas where the enacted policies don't align with the research produced by the scholars they affect. << K responding… I know this practice happens all the time but it's still annoying and goes against research. We're management scholars and should know better, and if the provost office is the one pushing the policy, we should teach the provost office what research says. But alas, those are nice words to say and I know the practical side of making these changes is incredibly hard. < yup. I completely agree with you
I've literally never heard anyone say that being on the market the year your colleagues are voting on whether or not to fire you signals disloyalty to your current employer (what a bizarre and ridiculous comment for someone to make). I don't doubt there are people who may have that view (there will ALWAYS be people with bizarre and ridiculous views), but more or less, what I've heard is to plan on being on the market the year you go up (but as others have mentioned, that doesn't mean applying to places you don't have any genuine interest in working at).x2

^ it's also possible to go on the market your tenure year and not have your current school find out. x2
Depends entirely on what you think your chances of tenure are. If you're marginal, definitely [selectively] hit the market. If your case is solid, and you want to move, go on the market after tenure. M, thank you! I am at a teaching//balanced school but trying to publish a lot. Have A*, A, teaching paper and a good chapter at the end of my 2nd year. And 2-4 potential As are in the pipeline. The problem with my school is that APs don't get a salary raise after tenure (university policy). So I want to move. But the question is when to move... I debate -- move before tenure with negotiating not to reset the clock or move after tenure with a new research pipeline... Would really appreciate advice here!

^ That's a bizarre compensation policy. Does your school ever offer meaningful raises? Moving to a more research school will always be challenging and largely depends on publications and pipeline. With what you described, you're likely looking at more balanced schools. I've been told that moving pre-tenure is easier because schools don't have to commit to giving you tenure or have the expectation you'll start with tenure. But getting tenure first gives you more flexibility and time to find the right fit.

^ Yea, the policy is university-wide and those who are not in the business school have substantial raise, as they start low. At the business school we start high (the level other faculty can achieve only when full), but then there are only very incremental raises (+$1K literally)... so the motivation of faculty is kind of low. My school is balanced (3-3), when on the job market I had also an offer from a balanced R1, but the location wasn't great for me. And I really like my current school. The only problem I have now is this compensation policy... which I also think I can mitigate with doing side projects, but I'm not sure yet if I want to do that.
^^ You don't have to say, but I've heard public universities in California have more egalitarian comp systems, meaning business faculty are paid similarly to other colleges. This is great for english professors but pretty bad for business faculty.
It is always easier to move without tenure. You can always negotiate the option of going up early. The positions that are willing to award you with tenure are much less than those pre-tenure. You can always do both, explore the market pre-tenure and if you don't find something you like, then explore it after tenure.FYI - deans tell candidates that they don't actually want to retain to "go get an outside offer". You can guess what your "counter-offer" will be...
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12294/15My apologies if this is not an appropriate question to ask here, but I noticed there were prior discussions regarding teaching materials. If I may ask, can anyone share any in-class activities, games, discussion points they leverage on the subject of 'organizational structure'? I have limited knowledge on the the subject and I think more engagement from the students' side would make the session more beneficial for the students. Many thanks in advance!I typically use Google Scholar to find these. Type in the topic like "organizational structure" + word like "experiential" or "activity" or "game". Here are a few that I found. I've used the first one in class before successfully.
Fairfield, K. D. (2016). Understanding functional and divisional organizational structure: A classroom exercise. Management Teaching Review, 1(4), 242-251.
Harvey, C., & Morouney, K. (1998). Organization structure and design: The Club ED exercise. Journal of Management Education, 22(3), 425-429.
Paulson, S. K., & Eugene Baker III, H. (1999). An experiential approach to facilitate anticipatory socialization. The International Journal of Organizational Analysis, 7(4), 365-378.
I make screenshots from websites of real-world companies and have strudents explain what their structures are and why. I printed the memo sent by Google founders when they changed to Alphabet and I asked them to explain the benefits if any, why, etc.Thank you so much for all of the great suggestions!If you dig enough, you can find a handful of official org charts for my university. I don't do a ton with them in class, mainly just show as one example of an org chart but it can be a little more relateable for students.
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12284/15Any advice/resources about publishing at HBR? Many thanks!Not worth trying unless you get an invite. Looks nice, but doesn't really count for much at most schools.Go on their website and stick to their questions. But be aware it's a long shotI published in HBR without knowing anyone. BUT, I didn't do the submission process that they recommend on the website. Instead, I contacted an editor directly with an abstract. They asked for a 1.5 page outline, and then gave feedback and asked for a whole submission. They later accepted it and then pitched it to the board.I've published in HBR just submitting through the system. Also, I've been rejected many times submitting through the system :)Your odds go up a lot if you're also publishing a book through HBS press but get them to publish a book is probably harder than an HBR.Very opaque and frustrating. Most editors have 0 editing skills and barely answer emails. I have had many bad experiences there (although I also published a few pieces online - much harder to get in the paper magazine). In the meantime, they publish random clickbait stuff from practitioners.
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12274/14It;s really over. let's move onwelcome to the postdoc marketIn macro at least Syracuse, Wyoming, Sacred Heart, and Britol all posted jobs last week.When I was on the market I ended up wtih 4 offers in April. All from international schools but all UTD ranked and competitive. IMO comments like OP are totally unnecessary
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12264/13I was reading Academy of Management Annals articles and was wondering why it is not rated higher or included in the FT50 or similar rankings compared to some of the other journals. Am I missing something?Because a reflection about prior research makes less contribution than a robust study about something new.--> seems very unfair considering an average article in Annals is far better than one in say JBE <-- I agree, JBE doesn't deserve to be on the FT50 list!Integrating and synthesizing the mess of disjointed prior research is actually incredibly useful and makes huge contributions to developing the direction of various areas of research. I would say an Annals piece is far more useful than yet one more study about CEO necktie color effects on firm performance. But the ego-driven value system of our field just keeps driving the faster and faster pace of tiny, incremental studies while devaluing those who want to make some sense of all the muddy water. Figures. x5 -> Agree and the articles are not your typical literature review. Most of them offer lot of insights. The original argument in keeping Annals out was that it was an invite-only journal. That has obviously changed, but the stigma against review-oriented journals (i.e., that acceptance is not predicated upon quality but instead upon "who you are") persists.It also has to do with the way lists are constructed. it's now in the highest rating for the ABS list, but not the others. TAMUGA and UTD likely won't be updated and FT50 changes largely through campaigning efforts to deans.

^FT50 also changes very rarely and very slowly. It's been awhile since they have changed the list. It will require the campaign though to be included.
Good review articles almost always do more than just review the literature; they generally also introduce new ideas and ways to view existing literature. Annals should get more credit than it does.I'd kick a baby, Adam Grant style, for an Annals in my area. did adam grant kick a baby? x2 << yep. punted it right over the goalpost. < Easily one of the best AOMs ever. Review articles almost always look useful because of its nature. Even those from low-tier journals get very high citations in many cases. It's hard to establish whether the papers are the highest quality or it is the nature of review articles that makes the papers look very useful. I guess that the top journal list may consider not just how useful the end product is but also how much effort and rigor are required for a paper to be published. -> Annals articles are probably the best review articles in management not like the stuff in low tier journals -> Are you a phd student? missing the point. <- I liked the point of how something just appears useful because it gets used a lot
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12254/13In the submission site of Organization Science, will the status of "under review" be changed after all the reviewers submit their comments? Wondering whether my paper still awaits reviewer comments or editor decision.pretty sure it doesn't change x2Relax and focus on other things. x3My experience is that once all of the reviews are in, the status for OS (and all "A" journals using manuscript central) will change to some varient of "awaiting decision"Reply to F: No, I'm pretty sure that OS does not change to "awaiting decision". It will stay "under review" when AE is making decision <-Thanks!
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12244/11How to signal interest to join another scholar's early stage project? I recently noticed another scholar who is a friend/acquaintance of mine, also a junior, doing an early stage project, and I have been playing with a very similar idea for sometime. So my thought is maybe joining her early stage project may be a win win strategy as I have several unique items I can bring to that project. How would you approach it?Don't approach it trying to join the project. Start by just reaching out to talk about the project and see where it leads.
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12234/11Whenever I ask questions to my class, there is dead silence. One or two students engage but that's it (and they are the one who always participate). 80% of students are either staring at their laptop or at me with blank face. I prepare a lot of visual aids, group exercises but I just can't make them engage more. Any tips? Or should I just receive the fact that students these days are disengaging? Or is it just because of my lack of ability? I am tired of begging for their participation.. (R1 large state university)Do you give them any incentive? If particiaption counts for nothing in the grade, I wouldn't say anything either. If it does, be glad you have a way to give most of them a zero on a component and get a better distribution. You can only handhold so much...Start with a (1) very, very ridiculously simple or an opinion question, or an activity where they don't have to speak but to raise their hands, for example or (2) tell them in advance that you will soon be asking a question and they now have the time to reflect - a lot of times this blankness could be due to students being worried about being perceived as stupid. Also, how long are you waiting for them to speak before you move on to the next question or lecture?Cold calling works... for simple things or opinions or especially about material that they should have reviewed before. Also as E says, don't be afraid of the silence. But as D says, there is so much that you can do. If you have to go back to the same students, do it. I also have participation as a graded component. I say this at the beginning of the class and in the syllabus: "if you show up to all classes and never participate, you will get 30% on your participation component"... helps to a certain extent. A couple quick tips… Give students 1-2 minutes to write down answers before starting class discussion. Usually students are more willing to talk once they write something down, but if they still aren't volunteering you can cold call people and they should have something to say. If you have them write down on paper, you can have people hand in the papers and randomly share a few with the class.
You can also have them discuss in groups of 2-3 before coming back to a class discussion.
I have found having students discuss in pairs or small groups and appointing a spokesperson for the pair/group increases willingness to share with the full class. Usually I get volunteers, but if not, I can do something like call on the spokesperson from the group in the front left (for example).

^I've found students will talk about anything but the prompt in groups. << But just getting them talking to each other can help with class discussions. I'll also walk around the room and listen/discuss w/ group which may help keep groups focused and lets me know when it's time to move on.
I make participation 50% of their grade, set the expectations that this is a discussion based class from the first day, cold call, have them do individual activities, group activities, think-pair-share activities, and encourage debate pretty much constantly. I also don't really ever lecture. The more I push into "this doesn't work if y'all dont talk" the better it gets. Also, as stated earlier, many students have strong opinions and seem very willing to share their thoughts on a question that doesn't appear to come straight from the material. so, I often use questions like these to get things going, get students to disagree, and then start askign follow-up questions that require deeper thought. It takes time to master, but the best decision I made in teaching was to go 100% discussion based. I don't even use a text book any more in my undergrad class. << I've been moving in this direction for several years but it takes a lot of effort to find the right activities, discussion prompts, etc. What do you use for assignments and grading? < case analyses and reflection journals, mostly, sometimes a semester paper. in another class I have taught like this (also undergrad) I once gave a closed-note, short-answer exam on the material covered just to prove to my colleagues (and maybe myself) that they were actually learning. and I agree, it does take time. I tried just a few activities at first, then added cases, then added simulations, then added more of all. highly recommend << Thanks! Open classes with a warmup question or short exercise. If you get them talking early it's easier to keep them engaged. It is really fun to stand in front of the class silently for however long it takes. The students are squirming in their seat, looking at each other. Unconfortable silences are one of our best tools! It occasionally feels like 2-3 minutes, even to me. And yes, I do admit sometimes even I can't stand the silence and have to talk first. I try to create an environment that they feel comfortable sharing. Before class, I'll have a discussion about something not class related (a school sporting event, an upcoming event in town, ask for a new place to eat lunch, etc.). Throughout my lecture, I'll include questions that they answer by raising their hands. It's a low stakes form of participation. I'll include some questions that I know most of the students will raise their hand for (how many of you have ever... been to the student union/ had trouble finding parking/ visited a shopping mall). If I don't see enough hands raised, I'll ask them about it (only four of you have ever had problems finding parking?!? Where are you parking becasue that's where I need to be!) When we're doing discussion activities, I lean into the think-pair-share structure or leave enough space so they can figure out their answer before speaking (particularly helpful for introverts). Additionally, I rarely (almost never) point out that a student's answer is wrong. Instead, it's more of a "yes, and." I try to find things that were right, show how there is overlap between what they said and what I was looking for, and add additional details.

These are all examples that work for my personality and teaching style. They may not work for you. It will take time to develop your teaching style and approach. Good luck! :)
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These are all techniques that evolve from having had some training in teaching/pedagogy... why don't we give PhD students the tools to learn how to be good teachers instead of telling them that research is the only thing that matters? <<<=== I literally never heard of think-pair-share until I was in my second year as an AP and totally miserable because I was bombing so badly with students. If I had gotten even the slightest bit of training to help me be a decent teacher, I would have been much happier and more successful and probably had more energy to focus on the research that I was doing.

OP L here: like many of you all, I was put in the classroom without any training. These are practices that I have learned along the way--googling techniques, signing up for webinars, seeking guidance from senior faculty (because they weren't coming to me!). I too wish I would have had some foundational training on pedagogy before being put infront of students. Now, I try to share what I know with others in hopes of everyone having a more enjoyable class. I don't have all the answers, but I am happy to share my perspective if you all have any questions. :)
<< When I was applying to phd programs, I think there was only one that mentioned anything about providing teaching training (I think it was U. Washington which had a class on how to teach). I get that research is the most important part of many academic jobs, but teaching is still a major part of what we do whether we like it or not. We don't need a ton of training on how to teach but a litlte would go a long ways.
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12224/11Journals should disclose the rejection rate of each associate editor. Some editors seem to have significantly higher rejection rates compared to others, which in my opinion is absolutely unfair. The assignment of HE should not determine the fate of your paperI know two editors that reject 99% of papers that reach reviewers. < how could you know that? << Seems unlikely. Given the number of AEs and annual submissions, a 99% rejection rate for papers that go to reviewers would mean an AE accepting maybe 1 paper per year. If the rejection rate really is that high, it makes me think the desk rejection rate is too low. I think journals should be more forthright with all their statistics. It's hard to find real data on any journals' website. The few times I've seen statistics widely shared is at AOM sessions with the editors. As an author, I agree. As an editor, less so. There is too much noise in our job, which is becoming harder by the day as there are too many PhDs, too many submissions, and too few good reviewers. In two years as an AE, I have given an R&R on initial submission 15-20% of the time, which is decreasing quickly. The paper can present a good idea but be in bad shape, and the reviewers are not helpful. It is a huge opportunity cost for YOU and me. It has made me, as an author, appreciation initial rejection more because it saves everyone time. It is a roll of the dice anymore. But, again, I agree that some AEs are outright horrible and unfair, although I do not think rejection rates is going to solve anything and are not particularly telling.>> Unless it shows that one editor rejects almost all the paper they receive and others don't. It's not a perfect solution but it's an attempt for accountabilityI'm an AE. Our desk rejection rate is high and as a result the EIC encourages us to extend R&Rs on papers we think have ideas that can be developed. 99% rejection rate would attract a lot of negative attention for an AE. <- That policy sounds like "give them a chance if they might have a nugget". I actually think that is a bad idea. IMHO, you should only give authors an R&R if there is a clear path to publication - in which case, an R&R should mean something. Giving R&Rs when its a longshot wastes the time of reviewers, authors, and AEs. It also sets the auhtors back 6 months.
^^ On the other side of this, I've had papers rejected where we could have fixed every issue raised by reviewers and the AE. There are a lot of things that are hard to fix but still fixable. This does potentially delay a paper from getting published but ultimately the authors decide whether or not to resubmit. If they feel the issues are too great and the risks too high, they can go elsewhere.

^Not OP of this cell but being able to fix everything does not necessarily mean it is a paper worth publishing. A lot of papers are well crafted and make sense but still leave the reader asking "so what?" << Fair point. I think there's a good amount of subjectivity behind how that question is answered, and one person's "so what" could be very interesting to other audiences. Maybe because I'm pre-tenure and think journals should be more accepting, I tend to lean towards publishing more papers as long as they meet standards of rigour set by the journal, and then let the readership decide if a paper is worth citing. But I recognize journal metrics matter, and this mindset could reduce impact factors, etc.

^ G here: we're in the business of trying to publish good ideas. so, if they have a good idea, I'm willing to give them a shot. sometimes that means new, different, or additional data because the idea wasn't tested as well as it could've/should've been. sometimes that means new or different theory because while the problem is clear, the way they are conceptually addressing it isn't as well thought out. on occasion, I've given R&Rs where both are issues because it is clear (to me and the reviewers) that the core idea is something that needs to be done, but has to be done differently. the R&R still absolutely means something (my rate bounces between 20%-25%) and the path (in terms of what needs to be done) is typically pretty clear. whether they can actually pull it off is in their hands.

^No one has any clue what a good idea is. Studies show that reviewers will reject randomly even published articles that receive top awards. Can we please stop pretending that reviewers have any clue what they are doing? There is zero evience to support it. < so we should just publish anyting? or nothing? what's your solution here
< As far as good ideas, there are some novel ideas that I see published but a lot of research is just reproducing work done 50+ years ago. We may use different labels, but the underlying ideas are the same. Our field itself is random. Just bear with it. This is random game.
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12214/10Could you please suggest me the best journals on "sustainablity, green supply chain, circular economy"Sustainability <- that predatory journal that charges $$$ to get shit published? Sure...

^^^This journal is so weird to me. Everyone has known it is predatory for years, but I have also seen several professors at R1 universities publish there.

Speaking of Sustainability, I hear that this journal has been regarded as "good" journals at several renowned universities. But also I hear opposite opinions. Any thoughts?

^^^The publisher was just added to many predatory press and journal lists. I think that is a firm reason to never publish there.

-> I also heard that Sustainability was a predatory journal. I'd look for other journals.
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12204/10My paper has been accepted to be published in "best paper proc" of AOM 2023. Does it mean that I have been nominated for the devision's best paper award? Not necessarily < how can you tell the difference?It means your paper was judged to be in the 10% of papers accepted to the division. x 2
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12194/10Sustainability people: O&E or Business Strategy & the Environment?None. Business & Society, JBE, or Business Ethics Quarterly <--- NOT OP: just shut up if you don't want to answer. <- Not D, but WTF? Chill asshole... <-- OP here: We already tried those three :)Check the journal classifications and see which one is more highly appreciated than the other. I would personally say BSE. BSE x2O&E hands down - just look at the list of associate editors X2It look like we've got a tie..Original D :) I did try to help but if you have tried those three then O&E.
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12184/7I've never been to IACM but decided to submit this year and my submission was accepted. Is it worth it? I'm not worried about the financial cost, I just don't want to go and get nothing out of it (especially since I'm not a "regular" at the conference). Any thoughts on what it will be like/how to get the most out of it/networking/etc.? < why wouldn't you determine if it was worth it before submitting?What is IACM? I have been at three T50 universities and never heard of it So, maybe it is a sign it is not worth it? Or I might just live under a rock.

^ International Association for Conflict Management <--is is a conference?
I've gotten random emails from them but never heard of anyone going. Maybe its relevant for people who do negotiations research? I genuinely don't know. It seems extremely niche It is a conference that people from high status private schools go to yearly that is usually in good locations. It was initially about conflict and negotiation and that is still a major focus but it has kind of broadened out to anything related to psychology as studied in business schools. There are also some politics or legal scholars but they are the minority.C, what area is your work in? Did you get a talk or a blitz? If Blitz, prob not worth it. If talk, and you'd normally go to CM or GDO stuff at AOM then worth checking out. <-- just a data blitz. thanks so much for your insight/reply! I've been to the conference multiple times. It's a relatively small conference, full of fairly good, smart, and engaged scholars. If you're interest is to meet folks doing work within what I assume is an area that you are interested in, this is a good place to be. IACM is very fun and small! look at the people going-- if they are people you want to know, go!
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12174/6My submissions says "required reviews completed". It's a revision. So that means the reviewers submitted their reviews to the editor? How much longer approximately until I hear back? (It has been in that status for 2 weeks)

^ You submitted it there; how long did it take for the initial submission? <<Oh, good question, I don't remember... I got the R&R decision pretty soon so wasn't checking the portal for status
No time table. No time table. I have a paper that is coming out soon - finally. First round R&R decision came about 3.5 months after the reviews were in (other rounds all exceeded 6 weeks). But that first round is a personal record so far. I think 2 months is a usual timeframe for an AE to read the turned in reviews and make a decision. A month is quick, and more than 3 months tends to be on the long side. AEs have a lot on their plate.

^I think AE's should take much less time than that. AEs might have a lot on their plate and it is a thankless job for sure. But no one is requiring them to be AEs either. If they are taking more time than the reviewers (which is usually 4-6 weeks) they are wasting authors' time..

^ Correct, no one is making them be an AE. But as an AE, if it takes me a while (more than 2 weeks), it's because I have so many more papers that are first in the queue. No one makes us do this, but honestly, we maybe need more AEs at journals so we aren't handling so many and can be quicker! Then again, it is thankless and many (including above) seem to think we just need to work more!


^I'm sorry, I don't feel sorry for AEs. You put it on your CV because it benefits you, your research, your school, your students, and your network. Pretendning as though it is thankless is not exactly honest. I've been publishing for a few years now and I've never once been invited to review in my area while simultaneously seeing complaints that no one wants to review in my area. Then I receive reviews from people who aren't even in my topical area admitting they know nothing about my topic. I could find you 50 qualified reviewers today but you all want to ring your hands over the "right" reviewers. << Not any of above commenters… The benefits of serving as an AE probably aren't as great as you think. It's an often thankless job that many people do as a service to the profession, and it comes at a cost of personal research, teaching, and personal time. And please feel free to reach out to journals where you'd like to review to volunteer. It can take a little while before you receive reviews, and then a little longer to build a reputation where AEs feel confident sending you more reviews. But if you're good at reviewing, papers will come your way.

^You can't claim it is thankless when there are several benefits. I've never seen an AE leave it off their C.V. x2
My median decision time is 10 days. I try to get them back quickly, but have ranged from 1 day to probably 5 weeks
















< it's not entirely thankless, and I enjoy it, but sometimes things happen that cause delays. For example, I am normally able to get decisions out in a week. but earlier this year I had four decisions hit all at once (we can't control when reviewers submit), on top of two R&R deadlines. it took me a month to work through my queue. I felt terrible for the last paper in line, but it was largely unavoidable
From personal experience as an author and reviewer, I've seen anywhere from 3 days to 18 months. If I had to guess, an average is probably around a month. <-18 months?? Jeez...
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12164/6How soon before Google engineers give us a 'like' button on each cell in Google Sheets (which tend to be collaborative, by design)?I think you don't understand how spreadhseets are used by 99% of people.

^^ OP here. First of all...LOL. I do get it, but 1) adding a function, even if it gets esoteric use, seems to be an okay idea and 2) this also suggests that Google Sheets may NOT be the best app/tool for us, either (maybe we should move to MS Teams or similar, assuming anonymity can be preserved).
< There are lots of platforms that would be far better for what this sheet is used for than a google doc, but when alternatives were created in the past they were never widely adopted. <- I appreciate the effort people have put into this - but cells in a spreadsheet is a clumsy way to run a forum, especially when multiple people post in the saem cell and it gets too long.

^^ Can't help but read your post and hear the most whiny voice.

^ Dude, no need to be such an asshole - it's a legit comment. Take a Xanax and chill...

^^^This cell is getting too long and awful clumsy....<<< see? see how whiny that sounds? <- See? See how assholish that sounds?

^^ Oops, you forgot to take your Xanax.
<< E here… The google doc is far from perfect and there are better platforms we could use, but I will say the google doc is still better than nothing. I have friends in phd programs in other disciplines that have nothing like this doc and they envy what we have. << and as previous posters in this row have noted, in the past, various structures have been tried (discussion forum, etc.) and all failed to generate the amount of information sharing and exchange that this doc has. If someone wants to try to create an alternate means of sharing information, then please by all means do so. But recognize that it will probably require a good deal of support to cultivate meaningful information sharing amongst an actively engaged audience.<< Information sharing has been steadily declining for a few years. If that keeps up for a few more years, maybe we can try for again with a forum.
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12154/6How is Nature Human Behavior viewed at your school/department? Which schools/departments does it count in and how does it count (A/B/C journal and what management journal is it comparable to)? I'm trying to decide which journal to target with a coauthor who is outside of our field (but adjacent) and is accustomed to ranking journals by their impact factor. Nature Human Behavior has a much higher impact factor than Management Science and many of our A management journals. We are conducting a field experiment in innovation and organizational decision-making and trying to decide between Nature Human Behavior and Management Science (other management journals like Org. Sci.). Thanks for your help on this!It may a great journal, but we wouldn't be sure how to evalaute it. You have to work harder to "make the case" for the journal in your tenure package, especially when it goes to the college level. The Nature editorial team are idiots. Lost all credibility when they decided to label their opinion as science. A real shame for public trust. So, submit elsehwere :)
^ Do you have a specific incident in mind? <<< yes. They openly supported a political candidate. Someone criticized them recently. They doubled down. It blew up in their face.
Nature Human Behavior, as I understand it, is a generalist journal for people across the social sciences (i.e., psych, sociology, econ, political science, etc.). It's very, very well respected, BUT (and this is a big caveat) I think only top 20 ish business schools would count it, simply because it's not a management journal. So, depending on your goals, you can decide which makes more sense.

>>Thanks for your advice! Do you know which exact schools from the top 20ish have a policy that they would accept it?

Most of them, perhaps with the exception of MAYBE Wharton. Top schools tend to model themselves closer to our counterparts in the social sciences (meaning they'll value a broader range of outlets that are well respected in the scientific community), whereas non-top 20 schools tend to primarily value leading management journals (i.e., management or bust).
same with the last thoughts. Nature Human Behavior is very well recognized, but only in top 20 business school.

> Thank you all! This is very helpful to understand.
We rely a lot on ABDC's list and Nature Human Behavior isn't on there (a bit surprising actually). If it's a respected journal in other disciplines, it probably would still count favorably but you would have to make the case for the journal instead of relying on ABDC's rankings. It is most definitely a B. A generalist A would be Science, or PNAS. Also they love experiments and not much else (or at least this is my impression!)


^^^ F, here. I'll have to disagree. If you talk to people at top schools, I don't think any of them would describe Nature as a B, even if they prefer Science or PNAS (not sure they do, just saying). I don't necessarily doubt there's variance among them, but I doubt they're consequential to the extent to which they would be described as different tiers. A first author in ANY of these journals would be well received at most top schools. << We are talking about Nature Human Behavior, not Nature the core journal or even Nature Communications which is the secondary outlet. Nature obviously is a A. Not its subset journals. But Nature publishes almost no social science work, contrary to Science (which has a dedicated section) or PNAS
If you have other As (MS, OS, AMJ, ASQ, etc.) as the first author, having one more Nature Human Behavior would be a plus. However, if you couldn't prove yourself as someone who can publish in solid As, it it would be problematic.


^I think you mean "solid A *management* journals". I don't think this discussion is whether or not Nature is a "solid" journal, as I don't think anyone here is debating whether or not it is. I think the question is whether or not it would be valued for YOUR department. And in your case, it sounds like the answer is it would be valued, conditioned on having other A *management* publications. << I think the discussion was on Nature Human Behavior which is different than Nature (same umbrella, but different journal). <--- True. I think my point remains though. << Definitely will just depend on individual departments, and I'm betting a lot of not-top reseach programs will count it regardless of other A pubs.
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12144/6Going off of the question below, how do you tell whether a certain school is high R1 or low R1? R1 list is very long. And do most low R1s still have 3-0 teaching load?The UTD rankings are the best guage of the overall research intensity of the college as a whole. Some lower level R1s have 3-0 loads, but it may only be guaranteed for 2 or 3 years and after that you have to earn it by publishing. But there's also lots of variability.R1/R2 classification does not say much about business schools. An extreme example is Brown (R1) who does not even have a business school. Also, the problem with UTD rankings is that they are assessed based on an array of journals that are totally irrelevant to most. Another extreme example is UChicago is #7 in North America, but #85 if you look at Management journals. All said, every ranking system has problems, so do not give them too much weight.

^^ Agreed. One point is that peeps at U Chicago thinks management is hogwash and have little to no faculty focused on traditional management journals.
I think even some mid-tier R1s don't have a 3-0 teaching load but have a 2-2 teaching load, but of course, it's usually one prep. If you want a school with a 3-0 teaching load, I *think* your best bet is TAMUGA/UTD list, those ranked high there mean that they publish a lot, and therefore likely value research, and therefore likely will want to save your time in teaching as much as they can, hence a 3-0 teaching.OP here: Thank you all for your thoughts and insights! Depends on what you mean by "high" or "low" R1. The technical designation R1 is also largely irrelevant to management departments (as others mentioned). If you're mainly focused on research intensity, I would say look at teaching loads, number of preps, and tenure requirements (and if you can't find reliable tenure expectations for a school, just look at the most recent few people to get tenure).
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12134/6I am about to go on the job market this summer. I am curious what a general tenure expectation/standard for a micro/meso person who mostly does qual work (I have some quant and mix-methods projects as well) is at high R1s vs. low R1s vs. R2 balanced schools. Any thoughts? I was at a high R1 until recently, and we had several faculty who did micro-meso qual work. The standard there was 6 As. I'm now at a low R1 where the standard is 2 As + at least 4 other pubs, or 3 As + 2 other pubs. I will be moving to a balanced school where the standard is 2 ABS 4* pubs or 4 peer reviewed pubs in any ABS journal. <<OP here: Thank you for your response!
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12124/5How useful is it to attend regional or topical conferences before hitting the job market in the summer – around May or June? Would it be worth the time, energy, and most importantly, money? I feel like I need to "network" more proactively, but then again this might be my brain trying to escape some of the main responsibilities ie. dissertationI got my balanced school job ...originally from a small regional conference with mostly teaching school participants in early summer. In that conference, an R1 professor told me that there may be an opportunity in one R2 school that he knows, so I reached out early, and eventually applied. Now I got the offer. You just never know. If you have time, why not broadening your horizon. The opportunity to develop relationships is so much richer at small conferences. If you are inclined to prefer job options at the types of schools who participate in the conferences you plan to attend, make time for that and really work to build relationships. x2I've only attended a handful of smaller conferences but none have really had a job-focus. Great opportunities to meet and connect with people though which will benefit your career longterm, even if it doesn't help your immediate job search.
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12114/5Is getting tenure in a teaching/balanced school getting harder? You have to manage both teaching & research which could be difficult. Any thoughts?Balancing things doesn't mean standards are exceptionally high in both areas of evaluation. It's true that balanced schools expect strong teaching (relative to an R1) and good research output (relative to a teaching focused institution), but balance schools aren't expecting the 5 to 6 A's an R1 might be looking for... and they probably aren't expecting the level of service a teaching school is looking for, either. I do, however, think research standards on the job market are generally trending upward, which does probably make it more challenging to secure a R1 or balanced job. Tenure standards probably change more slowly though.<To be fair, most R1s aren't expecting 5/6 As either (in macro at least). Otherwise, I agree.

^^^ D, here. True: tenure standards, for lots of programs, definitely vary for micro vs. macro, and rightfully so (imho).
Hard to say, and it's hard to know how to even evaluate this objectively. I have colleagues at balanced schools that have a pretty simple path for tenure and others that are held to standards of near top research and top teaching schools. And even within the same school, department politics could muddy up the question, with otherwise equivalent candidates having different tenure outcomes. In my experience the tradeoff of the amount of teaching and service expected outweights the amount of "relief" one gets with lower research expectations. But I think my school has unusually high research expectations when weighed against the very "balanced" teach load. I also question how common it is for R1s to expect more service...many teaching and balanced schools have huge service expectations. Of course, the plus side is that the positive outcomes of teaching and service are much more under your control than for research. If you work very hard on teaching and service, there is a very high likelihood you will succeed at them if you're reasonably good at your job. You can work extremely hard on research and not get results, or have a bad reviewer etc. x2
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12104/5Same concern as the previous question. Only this time my manuscript has been sitting in 'Awaiting Reviewer Assignment' for almost a year! We submitted the manuscript in May 2022 and upon inquiring in Sept 2022, we were told that they were having a hard time finding reviewers. No update simce then. This week, we requested to withdraw the manuscript but no response yet, even from the editor. Who else can we escalate this to? This is a B-journalIf you've formally requested to withdraw the paper, don't worry about getting a response from the journal, just go ahead and submit somewhere else. x3 <<< OP here: Thanks for the response. We will do that then. Not Entreprenuership journalWas it an entrepreneurship journal? I heard that a certain B-level entrepreneurship journal has just stopped reviewing papers because they can't get reviewers. <- Which journal?Organizational Psychology Review? Similar experience as yours; pulled it and submitted to a different journal. Would never submit anything there again.
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12094/4I've had a paper at B&S that's been stuck on 'awaiting reviewer assignment' for 6 weeks. I'm guessing this is a delayed desk reject right.not always < echo this. sometimes it takes awhile to get reviewers to agree. and i've also seen issues when administrative folks transition. unfortunately things sometimes get lost in the cracks (or folks are negligent in their duties). also, at most journals I know of, a paper wouldn't get to "awaiting reviewer assignment" unless it got passed the deskNever underestimate an editors forgetfullness to update the status. <<< I'm an AE at two 4-star journals and we do not manually update any status << I assume that means status is automatically done as things happen in the system, which is good. That wasn't always the case. Thanks for sharing. What is B&S? < Business and Society I assume (not op)AE at the journal here. Could simply be that you have two reviewers and the editor has not been able to find a third one. It's OK to email the AE and general editors Hari Bapuji or Colin Higgins. They are very responsive <-That is a refreshing response from an AE. Especially after (years ago) waiting three months at Management Science, emailing the AE and receiving "You're welcome to withdraw your paper and submit somewhere else." x3 <<<< you emailed after only three months…? <<<<Three months waiting for reviewers to be assigned, yes. You think three months is reasonable? Start thinking in terms of % of tenure clock at one journal, just to find reviewers. < G here. That's why we are not Management Science that we should have an exemplary review processIn many journals, "Awaiting reviewer assignment" actually means it's under review by reviewers and the AE is waiting for the review assignments.<-- wut?? I think you mean awaiting reviews or something similar. I've never heard this to be the case. x2. <Absolutely not the case for any A journal in management.
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12084/4In your experience, which one is harder: getting an AP job in an R1 school, or getting tenure in an R1 school?Assoc at R1 here: I believe getting tenure is far harder than getting the job. I've been out 7 years, but I don't think the market has changed considerably (have hired 5 of 7 years and the candidates have all had similar profiles over that time). We've had plenty of great candidates. Of those we've seen, I would say less than 30% are on pace for tenure.I think market has changed substantially in the past three years x3 < this has not been my experience. on the hiring side or on the candidate side, excepting some covid-specific things

^As someone who has hired 5 years in a row, I have not seen any meaningful differences over that timeframe.
Considering everyone that gets a job at at R1 got a job at an R1, and not all of those will get tenure, I'd say tenure is harder. < Rather flawed logic. You're conditioning tenure on getting the job. The two events while related have different odds. x3it's also important to realize that it is possible to get an R1 job without any publications, but the same is not at all true for tenure. tenure, in general, is much harder (individual experiences certainly will vary)The reason this question is hard to answer is that it depends very much on the focal candidate. Many candidates do not get jobs at R1 schools. For them getting a job at a tenure track school is "very hard". Those we do get jobs may say, largely in retrospect, that it wasn't hard compared to getting tenure. But there is a counterfactual/selection problem involved in any such comparison. Perhaps its best to just say that both are hard for different reasons such that they resist meaningful comparison.Definitely harder to get the job. There is a preference to retain someone who has the job. x2Going up for tenure soon. Just from a process perspective, I am doing a lot more to prepare my tenure packet than I did my job market packet. I don't have to worry about a job talk for tenure, which is nice, but a job talk is a lot easier for me to prepare than a full tenure packet. AP here: Graduated in 2018, took a new job in 2021, have been on hiring committees at both R1s. I did not find the process different between the two, do not see differences now (or at any point), but getitng tenure is certainly the tougher challenge I have faced.
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12074/4what are some good B journals for qualitative research (OB)? (good: journals that still count in R1 schools)B journals don't count in general for R1 schools, regardless of qual or quant. That said, this may be department-specific or something you can talk to/negotiate with your department..>> so it doesn't matter at all? Like there is not difference, for example, between 1 A+1B pubs and just 1 A pub? < it depends on the department. I have seen instances where 1A + 1B would not only not be better, but would actually be worse than just 1A <<< That is maybe for like 10 schools. This is such a myth saying it is "bad" to have a B. << I know that the idea that "1A + 1B is bad" was accurate at my previous top-25 R1 institution, because it implies that you're spending time to push something through a journal that doesn't count when you could have been putting that time and energy into pushing aother project through an A journal... and the relationships you develop at the A journal are more important. After you get tenure, it's ok to let your "loser" papers go to a B journal, but not before tenure.<< B journals do count for R1 schools. I have been at three and they all thought B's would add value to your portfolio. They are especially helpful if you are one paper short by have a few B's x2B journals may not count at top R1s, but R1 is a very long list, and less research focused management departments at R1s will absolutely count B pubs.It varies across schools, but in my experience it is a bit of a complicated calculation. 2 As and a B is better than just 2 As...but 1 A and 3 Bs might be seen as a "bad signal" compared to just one A or 2 As. Really depends on the culture of the department.
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12064/4Dose commentary article count towards your tenure?Like, a perspective piece? A reply or response to an existing article? Can you be more specific concerning what you mean by commentary article?not for meNot for me (R2) and I haven't heard of a place that does. But none of that matters and the only person that can answer that question for you is your department. If they say no, it doesn't count; if they say yes, it does. x2it has been discussed at my (R1) school that these shouldn't count the same as research articles. they are not without value (can show growing stature in the field), but they're not the same. also, a third author commentary would not be impressive to me. less so, in fact, than a third author research articleNot at my school I am at a teaching school and while we are encouraged to write opnion essays because it shows influence in the field, these do not count for tenure.
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12054/4What is the difference between a profession and an occupation?Why are you asking? Anyone can have a job - i.e., an occupation. But having a profession means you are a professional. Check Michael Antheby's works.There is a whole annals piece on this!
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12044/3Now that the market is over, whats your take on this? Is it back to prepandemic levels in terms of high quality jobs? x2supply, yes (one could argue that on the R1 level of jobs, supply was better than in some of the pre-pandemic years). Demand still seems substantively higher to me. < You have it crossed. Demand is the universities that need labor. Supply is the candidates. << we all know how management scholars look at neoclassical economics, don't we... <<- whoops, lol I meant supply of jobs and demand for jobs, but yeah obv makes more sense the other way around haha << OP is correct: It's called job market and not labor market, right? then supply is the jobs, and demand is the candidates. < Because it's colloquially called the job market doesn't make it correct to call the candidates the demand. It is labor that is being demanded.
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12034/3has strategy science conference* updated about the outcome? Huh?if you are asking about the doctoral workshop, yesfor the conference, yes, they did
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12024/3Has anyone heard back about acceptances to this year's Medici Summer School?What is that?
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12014/2Are there any recommendations for in-class activities for international business? If it is related to entering foreign countries it would be great, but any other general IB activities would also be really helpful. All suggestions are greatly appreciated! Thank you.I asked a similar question once, and people here got really pissed. We might need a class activity tab soon. < People get pissed about everything, the amount of gatekeeping on this sheet is just ridiculous.

^^That tab sounds like a nice addition. Is anyone else interested in adding that to next year's sheet? x5.
^ Nice to add but a google sheet is probably not the best way to share teaching resources, which can sometimes require more explanation and back-and-forth with the author. I know attempts to move the job market sheet to a forum haven't worked in the past, but that type of platform would have some benefits.
Just use cases, which should be the norm for every branch of management teaching. << but then you can also have in-class activities during case discussions. < I went to business school for my masters and I absolutely hated cases. As a professor now, I still hate them but as a tool to work with they sure are a low effort go-to solution. < I strongly prefer teaching with cases but I wouldn't say they're a low effort solution.

^Holding the instructor constant, cases are a millions times more rewarding.
I teach IB and use the BAFA BAFA in-class activitiy for clutural differences section of the course. Additionally, debates on issues such as EU or Greek debt crises, in the past, were good breaks from lecturing. Case studies are also fun and good tools.OP: Thank you for your inputs! These are great suggestions. A separate sheet for teaching materials sounds like a great idea!
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12004/2Related to the row below - how do you find potential consulting opportunities in the US (asking as an advanced assistant hoping to have such opportunities after tenure). I guess part of the answer would be if you are the right person at the right school in the right location, they will find you - but other than that, is there anything I can do? TIA.Right person, right location, right school all matter. And then brand building, networking connections that you create. <- how/where do you network for such connections?

^EMBA, executive programs, centers and institutes, your own research (data collection), and more.
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11994/2Those who offer consulting services as a side hustle, how much do you charge per hour? I'm considering such a gig and have no idea how much to askVaries widely - depends on your rank/status, how much experience you have, the location, the industry... < Well, that's exactly why I'm asking the question... <- And that's why no one can give a coherent answer unless we know all that. I don't think you should be doing any consulting. < I'm assuming you are making this very coherent observation based on extensive knowledge about my experience, location, and industry, right? Otherwise I don't really think you should be offering your opinion, following your own logic ;) <- You asked for opinions, and if you don't understand that no one on here can offer meaningful advice without these variables, then it just doesn't seem like you would have much to offer any company. < Please re-read my initial question, and come back when you have grasped it, it's really not that difficult.~4x base hourly, varies by project < ThanksBased on the OP's apparent mental acument, I suggest ~$15/hr. < tamw...My price ranges from $50-750/hour. It all depends on the client. Local and small non-profits are on the low end (sometimes pro bono). Fortune 500 and similar organizations are on the high end. Also depends on the work - if I can reuse something I've created before (e.g., training program), then it can cost less since I'm not building in my upfront work for program creation. < Thanks!Since this can vary dramatically based on lots of factors, you might consider asking other faculty in your department that have consulted. This will reduce some of the variation you see across schools and geographies. But only ask other faculty if you don't think this will cause political headaches for you. Some people are snooty about consulting.
My rate varies depending on the client, project, and opportunity cost. I also offer to do some projects for free if the time commitment is small and I think it would be good for personal development. If I think I can get publishable data, I also charge much less or nothing at all. Charging nothing also preempts people in the department getting angry at me for consulting (this is a concern in my department but may not be in others).
My standard rate is $500/hr or $5k per day but I try to charge by the project rather than by strict time-based accounting. <Thanks!
"Elite" PhD and now assistant prof in top 20 school. I tend to charge $700-$2.5k an hour. From past experience, usually either the company is big enough/wants me enough that they won't balk at those numbers, or they are going to be a company that is going to nickel+dime me and cause me a massive headache (e.g., they'll try to get lots of time that aren't officially billed including meetings, emails, etc.). I usually only get a few gigs a year for a few days to a couple of weeks total per year. < Thank you!<- not the op, but is the consulting you do related to your research?
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11984/1My manuscript (in a later stage of the review process for a special issue) switched from "Awaiting Decision" to "Awaiting Approval". Is there any special significance to this? My assumption is no, but thought I'd ask.My hunch is that it will be accepted, congrats in advance < Sorry, wrong hunch. More likely this means the EIC has to approve the decision. x3Nothing significant other than it's getting closer to a decision. <-- How long are papers usually awaiting approval? Less than a week? ^depends on the editor. could take weeks or months! OP here: It ended up taking only a few days and fortunately was good news. Thanks for the good vibes!
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11974/1I was told that to show "independence," you have to publish without any tenured faculty (so only grad students and untenured faculty). Is this normal?No. <- I strongly second that (B10 Dept Chair here). x5Depends on the rank/eliteness of the school. The very top schools generaly expect at least one (if not more) solo author works. Below those schools it doesn't matter so much.Yes that's what you needDepends on the institution - In my opinion, independence means publishing with people outside your PhD program. Demonstrating this way that you do not depend anymore on your advisor/PhD program. Of course, that doesn't mean you stop publishing with them. Simply collaborate with other people too.Make sure to ask a few people within your PT committee and department since individuals can have different opinions. But not publishing w/ senior faculty seems like bad advice. If you can do it, great, but the most important thing pre-tenure is just publishing. Even if your department has unique norms, the field in general can be more flexible, and you shouldn't be picky about who you work with until you have so much work that you can afford more discretion.
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11963/31In terms of the tenure evaluation, which one will be more valued : being a coauthor in A-journal publications vs. being the first author in B-journal publications?

OP here: Sorry that this question may be too general or repetitive. I might have used poor search terms and missed previous similar questions. In terms of the context, I was thinking about lower R1 or R2 institutions and micro research. I understand that this may vary across departments but just want to get a rough idea. Thank you!

^ See comment #1186 from March 29 which asked a similar question.
The repeated posing of questions like this are a constant reminder of how our field completely undervalues qualitative research. To answer this question, CONTEXT MATTERS. Yet people who ask these questions never seem to bother with context. Just ask an overly general question and think that you're going to get an answer that means something? Sure, ok.R1 institution - the former x2How many times can we ask variations of this same question? <- Exactly why we care! As it is full of uncertainty < And how exactly will having a half dozen random people answer the question resolve the uncertainty?neitherThese are department specific questions.If you want a job at a top research school, A pubs are generally the most important thing and B pubs may not count at all. The further removed from top research programs the less value is placed on A pubs and the most important thing is quantity.
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11953/31How to know whether the paper you reviewed for AOM is accepted or not? Just curious.Look for it later in the program x2submission center < The submission center cannot tell you if a paper you reviewed was accepted.
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11943/31I am curious if people generaly think that as a junior scholar it is better to publish a paper as a single author, or is it better to publish with collaborators? I can see how publishing alone might look like you don't have a research network. On the other hand, it might also look good. any thoughts on whether its better to collaborate or work alone on a paper as a junior scholar?Single author is a usually a waste of time unless you're at a top school that requires/heavily favors it. I have been at three UTD75 and none of my schools cared about a solo authored vs one with collaborators. As for collaborators, there are network effects that can be good and bad. What does this mean? Do whatever gets the paper published in the most efficient way possible.The value of solo authorship tends to vary by field. In our field, I think we care WAY more about the tier of the publication (i.e., A pub) vs. whether or not it's single authored. The easiest way to signal "independence" as a scholar is by refraining from collaborating with your advisor (or other faculty from your degree granting program) while you're on the tenure clock. I don't think people have an additional expectation to publish solo.A couple senior people in my department used to care about this a lot, at one point even expecting it to get tenure, but they've relaxed on this. A solo-authored pub will be looked on favorably almost anywhere but this probably won't be a difference maker when going up for tenure (unless it's required at your school). The most important thing for tenure is pubs, so do whatever you need to do to get pubs. For me, it's a lot easier and faster to publish with coauthors than by myself so I don't waste time working on solo projects. Even projects that I've done almost everything by myself, I'll bring on a co-author to help me get it through the review process. For me, any potential benefits of a solo-authored pub is offset by the better odds of getting published when working with coauthors. At our school you're still expected to have at least one top solo-authored pub to get tenure. << Is this a top R1? <- yes--ish...not quite elite but a very good school for sureI think this is the gold standard more for macro researchers at top schools. I think it's more a gold standard expectation for strategy since there is a bit more of that econ influence where in econ the research oriented scholars are definitely expected to have a solo authored pub to establish themselves. I come from a strong strategy focused R1 and I was always told that I should aim to have at least 1 solo authored A as early as I could. The school I am at now (research focused but more balanced school) says they explicitly don't discount for collaborating when counting pubs for tenure though. So it varies, though there is no doubt that a solo authored A is going to look good. Never heard of this being a requirement. Some top schools may have a preference for some publications being solo authored, but I never heard of a tenure case being decided on such grounds.
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11933/30How much higher is the bar for junior APs vs. rookies when applying to the same position? Would you be more competitive going on the market again immediately after your phd market year with one more pub?

^ it probably depends on where that pub is, what author you are (and if your advisor is on it as noted by others), and the schools you're from/at/targeting. I assume someone who goes on the market immediately is either doing it for family reasons or because they felt they underplaced. if the latter, then a first-authored top-tier pub would certainly help, but it might not be a huge differentiator from the prior year (depending on what you already had).
The junior AP market is much harder. A lot more is "known" about you and your potential productivity than a rookie. At least with a rookie the SC can tell itself stories about your future productivity. For the junior AP, they're looking for more data so pubs help, but can hurt if they are not great or too few.

^ What about going again right after the phd market? At that point there's probably not much difference in how much is "known" about you. Would schools tend to look at you the same way as a rookie or postdoc?
I don't think "higher" is the right term. As noted by @D, there is just a lot more known about you, so schools are buying known vs potential. This can work out really well for APs, as they can demonstrate progress (those R&Rs hit), development (work without their advisor), and competence (teaching evals, reviewing, grants, etc - whatever else a particular department may value). Obviously, if you've been out for 3 years and have zero pubs, you are looked at worse than a 5th year PhD student with zero pubs - so I guess that can be seen as a "higher" bar, but I think it's just less uncertainty. Summarizing E: If you are good, it is somewhat easier because it shows. If you are bad, it is harder because it again shows.


^^^ Probably makes sense to say more pubs vs. less pubs, since there are lots of things (i.e., pregnancy, caretaking, illness, grief, etc.) that effect people's output beyond whether or not they're "good".

^ Point well taken. Sadly, these things are overlooked at the end of the day. <-- True. I just didn't want to make people feel like they weren't competent just because they didn't produce publications. But yes, I think we're on the same page.
But if you do have a decent record, your best opportunity to move is as an AP since you've demonstrated productivity but a school doesn't have to commit to tenure.
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11923/30The quality of the reviewers from the AOM annual conference is too inconsistent and inadequate.There's no exaggeration here.I received feedback from three reviewers, each consisting of only one line. WTF???? Shockingly, one of them even admitted to not having read my paper. The other two recommended a strange paper and claimed that my work lacked novelty. It seems that none of them read my paper and..I don't know why they volunteer to become a reviwer?? I find it difficult to understand their behavior X2

^ To be blunt, I don't believe one of your reviewers admitted not reading your paper. x3
All three of my AOM reviews were surprisingly good which hasn't happened for me in a long time (still not great, but definitely decent)Honestly, I don't really read the AOM reviews. For all I know the reviewer could be a junior phd student < if they are, they likely provided a longer review.Expect nothing, be thankful for something. X3

OP, did you review for the AOM Annual Meeting? You can volunteer and increase the average!) <- OP : Yes I did, I at least read and reviewed it.
They're probably just getting you ready for when you submit your paper where many reviewers at "top" journals don't even bother giving your paper a good read. my received reviews ranged from one line to a page and a half. I've come to expect it. I had two very bad, very short reviews and one excellent, lengthy and insightful review that I will actually use to improve the paper. I work very hard on my reviews for others and while length =/= quality it's definitely correlated, and I write at least a page and change for a review. I saw another reviewer on a paper I reviewed who literally just wrote "Good work!". That's the whole review. I'm stunned that our allegedly best and most important conference can't manage quality better than this.
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11913/30What's a reasonable expectation for initial review at the major A journals (AMJ/AMR/PPsych/JAP/SMJ etc)? I know a question had previously asked about the intital review time at JOB on the micro tab, but I was hoping to expand the discussion to some of the other journals frequently cited here.90 days (+/-) is the average across all management journals. Stop asking the same question.
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11903/30What does Accept (Showcase) mean? I submitted the symposium proposal and not sure what this means.. Does this mean that the symposium will be a "showcase" symposium?"Showcase symposia should be the very best symposium submissions received and should be expected to attract a large audience. They do not need to address the conference theme. Each DIG Program Chair may designate up to 10% of symposia accepted by their DIG to be designated as showcase symposia."
https://aom.org/events/annual-meeting/annual-meeting-program/symposia-and-paper-sessions
Congrats - Division chairs designate some portions of symposiums as showcase symposium to draw more attention. Expect more attendees! <<< From 5 to 10? No one goes to sessions at AOM.So is there any difference in the sessions in terms of time or location or just the designation?<< Showcase symposia can be scheduled in any time slots, but some get scheduled in larger rooms in anticipation of drawing a larger audience
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11893/30I got a "Best Paper Notification" email from AOM. Is this exciting, or is it something that a lot of people get? I don't know how to think about it. In the grand scheme of your career, it doesn't matter much, but it's still something to celebrate, so congrats! I don't remember exactly how these nominations are made, but I think ~10% of papers end up in proceedings. Is a paper that ends up in Proceedings the same thing as what people have on their CVs as "Winner of 2023 Best Paper Award"? Or are those two different things? < Different. There's usually only 1 award for best paper per division (on a rare occasion, ties), and a few more which are nominated. Proceedings will be a little larger list of papers. It is the top 10% of all papers. Some people list them as pubs in their CVs though they are not really pubs. < Proceedings are technically published but I would never include them in the publication section of my CV. I think the norm in other disciplines is different though, where proceedings are a bigger deal and would be listed with other pubs in a CV. For this reason, you should definitely indicate if a paper was in the proceedings since your CV may be reviewed by a university-level tenure committee. <--- Tenure and promotion committees probably vary by university, but I get the sense that for most universities, they'll defer to whatever the host department recommends. In such a scenario, what your department thinks matters way more than what the other committees at the university do. All that to say, if the goal is to impress the department, I don't think including proceedings would be consequential, imho. << True, but it could matter on the margins if the department recommendation is mixed. Congratulations though!! We do not get recognized for our work often so it just feels good!!
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11883/30Acceptance but no email notification? Saw that my AOM submission status says "symposium accepted" on the AOM website, but received no email notification of it. If you didn't submit it, you will not get an email. If you were the submitter, give a couple of hours (or even a day). I've had emails follow the website notification by as much as a day. Coauthors also get email notifications. <- For symposiums too? I don't remember getting those for symposium unless I was the organizer. < Not for symposia