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2 | 2020-10-14 18:58:42.4 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Hello. Robbie. |
3 | 2020-10-14 18:58:44.4 PDT | Robby Butler | Hey, hey, how you doing? |
4 | 2020-10-14 18:58:46.6 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Good. By the way, these are part of our podcast series, so by default they're recorded but if any time you feel uncomfortable just let me know and we will scrap the recording. |
5 | 2020-10-14 18:58:57.0 PDT | Robby Butler | I'm a high security guy. I'm worried about that somebody telling me. |
6 | 2020-10-14 18:58:57.0 PDT | Robby Butler | negative_sentiment |
7 | 2020-10-14 18:59:03.4 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Coming in what? |
8 | 2020-10-14 18:59:03.6 PDT | Robby Butler | No I'm being, I'm being facetious yet. |
9 | 2020-10-14 18:59:07.0 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Yeah I'm not sure if I explain or you've been on the grading reset once before right before idea but public discipleship. |
10 | 2020-10-14 18:59:13.8 PDT | Robby Butler | Yeah, I said and I don't wanna where you were talking about to develop and we'll just the solar tape and interaction yeah the $20 like gonna get my money's worth to that moving ahead. |
11 | 2020-10-14 18:59:20.8 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Yeah. |
12 | 2020-10-14 18:59:23.1 PDT | Robby Butler | currency |
13 | 2020-10-14 18:59:28.6 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Ahead. I have one actual client which is our church we're building out a reservation system, somewhat slowly I have been using it to archive our group chat threads do I haven't actually made it into a usable format yet. So it's still a working progress. Well, actually that's interesting. That was the very amusing Baxter and you saw the a YouTube video link I sent yet but we were having some. Well you did actually. Okay. |
14 | 2020-10-14 18:59:34.8 PDT | Robby Butler | Uh-huh. |
15 | 2020-10-14 18:59:49.8 PDT | Robby Butler | Uh-huh. |
16 | 2020-10-14 19:00:02.4 PDT | Robby Butler | Oh, I did. Yeah, I watched tested the last half hour where Steve, please. You've got very passionate and yeah, that's a good guy. I got to that part very quickly and but I need to go back a little further see what led up to this, so, yeah. |
17 | 2020-10-14 19:00:08.2 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Okay, good. So yeah, you got the. |
18 | 2020-10-14 19:00:14.8 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Yeah. |
19 | 2020-10-14 19:00:23.8 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Yeah. |
20 | 2020-10-14 19:00:28.0 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | And so, yeah, so it's interesting. I think there's. |
21 | 2020-10-14 19:00:37.0 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | A, a number of different things going on. And I've had a few other compensation trying to figure out exactly where this, there's a, there's a port and trying to make which I maybe making badly. And I'm sure, I'm sure it myself, I'm still trying to work it out. But part of it is is that I'm reactive again, what I would call the, well, hey Eric, here too. |
22 | 2020-10-14 19:00:58.2 PDT | Robby Butler | Yeah. |
23 | 2020-10-14 19:01:07.8 PDT | Robby Butler | Yeah, you're welcome. |
24 | 2020-10-14 19:01:09.4 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Hey for. |
25 | 2020-10-14 19:01:09.8 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Right. |
26 | 2020-10-14 19:01:12.6 PDT | Robby Butler | Are you in the state? Are you in the states for a while, Eric, I had mentioned you were in Thailand. |
27 | 2020-10-14 19:01:12.6 PDT | Robby Butler | question |
28 | 2020-10-14 19:01:12.8 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Hi. |
29 | 2020-10-14 19:01:19.4 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | We normally lived there. |
30 | 2020-10-14 19:01:20.2 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Imagine that too. |
31 | 2020-10-14 19:01:23.4 PDT | Robby Butler | Say that again. |
32 | 2020-10-14 19:01:23.6 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | We normally in Thailand but we got caught outside by the COVID. Shutdowns. |
33 | 2020-10-14 19:01:30.0 PDT | Robby Butler | Okay, got it. So it definitely. |
34 | 2020-10-14 19:01:31.4 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | We went to Michigan back in March for, what was supposed to be, just a short like a marriage workshop and while we're there, Thailand shut the border. |
35 | 2020-10-14 19:01:42.0 PDT | Robby Butler | Yeah, yeah. |
36 | 2020-10-14 19:01:46.2 PDT | Robby Butler | You're having an extended workshop. |
37 | 2020-10-14 19:01:48.8 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Yeah, exactly the Lord knew that we needed a lot of a extra remedial time. |
38 | 2020-10-14 19:01:49.6 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Hey, you know what's funny. |
39 | 2020-10-14 19:01:57.0 PDT | Robby Butler | I guess, yeah. |
40 | 2020-10-14 19:01:57.4 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | No, it's funny that reminds me of how you and I actually got to do is try to remember but I was supposed to be driving through Denver or just over night and my transmission went out for like four or five days. I got involved all your marriage counseling and everything. |
41 | 2020-10-14 19:02:02.6 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Yeah. |
42 | 2020-10-14 19:02:09.8 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Tanner bottle. |
43 | 2020-10-14 19:02:12.6 PDT | Robby Butler | No. |
44 | 2020-10-14 19:02:15.8 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Yeah, I remember you know this like twilight zone, panel, Rado see that happen. |
45 | 2020-10-14 19:02:25.6 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Robert was kind of up to go and re watch a good chunk of the episode three knows some of the back story and I was telling him, but does this business some tension between Steve and I are on the chat thread and we haven't been able to find time to resolve it. So, it kind of trigger that. What's the, I think the positive way for me, the question is I'm trying to renegotiate my relationship with how I study the Bible because I spent a lot of time especially, you know, college. I'm having a very intellectual relationship to Bible study. |
46 | 2020-10-14 19:02:33.8 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Okay. |
47 | 2020-10-14 19:03:04.8 PDT | Robby Butler | Uh-huh. |
48 | 2020-10-14 19:03:05.2 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | And I want, Eric he was wonderful Frazee mindset of a BDR, I want to be studying the Bible in order to connect with Jesus and they'll pay him and try to break my on healthy habits of just analyzing and so that's sort of similar to the sort of Bible story, a discovery Bible study things that we've talked about in the past and so you had offered to do that and I'm not sure, I feel like you, Eric has talked about something similar about yours I guess do circles is the term you'd use Eric? |
49 | 2020-10-14 19:03:11.4 PDT | Robby Butler | Yeah. |
50 | 2020-10-14 19:03:18.0 PDT | Robby Butler | Right. |
51 | 2020-10-14 19:03:45.8 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | No, mine was discovery Bible study. |
52 | 2020-10-14 19:03:49.6 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Okay. You're using from discovery Bible study, okay. |
53 | 2020-10-14 19:03:51.8 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | But then we talked about another thing or any which was coaching circle and those are a different thing that are, and they don't have a hierarchy, but they provide a source of accountability and fellowship, I'm in movements that grow, it's very scalable. |
54 | 2020-10-14 19:03:55.6 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Call. |
55 | 2020-10-14 19:04:17.8 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Scalable circle but they don't really have a formal Bible study portion of that. |
56 | 2020-10-14 19:04:23.6 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Our coaching circles. No, that's a separate thing that's an array, it can include Bible study but discovery, Bible study is a simple method of Bible study which does always include, I'm a big obedience question which each member answers with a specific plan for how they're going to implement or, oh bay this in that week and then it's part of the function of that group to always ask at the beginning of a meeting, how it went for each member on their individual obedience plans. So this is what leads to spiritual growth in the members. |
57 | 2020-10-14 19:05:14.2 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Okay, so is this it all similar to the sort of Bible stories and stuff that you're doing we're talking about Robbie, am I getting my wires crossed? |
58 | 2020-10-14 19:05:16.3 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | question |
59 | 2020-10-14 19:05:25.2 PDT | Robby Butler | Well I it's been a while since I think I've really talked about a Bible storing separate from discovery Bible study I think last few years a within discovery Bible story study one common element not universal is somebody telling the story in their own words at some point the first form of this that I came across a person prepares and learns the story. |
60 | 2020-10-14 19:05:58.2 PDT | Robby Butler | All the details by heart without memorizing and tells the story and leads in and interactive to that can be completely oral and that's a very effective modeling many contacts where there are a lot of people that read other contexts where somebody in the group breeds will often read through the story once or twice and that you know somebody tell us in their own words but in light of what Eric shared and the meeting about the median. Sorry, entasis I think the discovery by, I mean, the. |
61 | 2020-10-14 19:06:32.7 PDT | Robby Butler | It's only proof of all, would it leads to a medium instead of head knowledge in terms of what I think is brutal but Stephen, there's another probably part of a different a paradigm and model Richie described discipleship as one person who I think he would say has mastered. So merrier learn some area that transferring that to somebody who's the alerting. I'm in discovery Bible studies a very different Infosys. It's not transfer of intellectual expensive, it's a focus on obedience to what in effect if you can use more a charismatic terminology. So, what guy to say to use the civic, leave out of the passage rather when somebody else thinks that means for you? |
62 | 2020-10-14 19:06:34.2 PDT | Robby Butler | question |
63 | 2020-10-14 19:07:22.4 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | So, the word discovery indicate that each individual is discovering a message from god, each time they meet and so, the group, the function of the group is not well, the function of the group is to help each individual discover god's message each time. |
64 | 2020-10-14 19:07:49.8 PDT | Robby Butler | What's creating an environment for people to hear from god. Whether or not, that's what they're expecting but the process of yourself articulating. So, asking what does this passage me. And there's a common question there's, there's various formulation but there's typically a set of seven or eight questions and, or the one we come to use includes the question. What does this mean when you say what it means in effect you're telling the saying the passage union where it said whatever you put something in your own words in sparks creativity and sign of. Now if there's a different way that the brain processes things when you put the words then when you just hear them. |
65 | 2020-10-14 19:08:36.8 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | And another thing that is that when you articulated, in your own words, you now own that message in a way that doesn't necessarily happen, unless you have to articulate a message in your own words. |
66 | 2020-10-14 19:08:37.6 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | And just one. |
67 | 2020-10-14 19:08:54.6 PDT | Robby Butler | If you tell me something I have to, I guess that's it. If I tell you something, I have to, believe it if I'm, you know, unless the test, yeah. |
68 | 2020-10-14 19:09:01.4 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Yeah, to own it. |
69 | 2020-10-14 19:09:04.6 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Cause I could take a few different phrases there and help me clarify. Are you supposed to say this is what the passage means or this is what I think it me, and is the goal of the group to try to reach a consistent about what it means or to just hear each person's perspective? |
70 | 2020-10-14 19:09:09.4 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | question |
71 | 2020-10-14 19:09:22.2 PDT | Robby Butler | Yeah, there's no. |
72 | 2020-10-14 19:09:22.4 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Well, you can pay it this is what it means to me today. I have to do this week or I'm going to be disobedience so. |
73 | 2020-10-14 19:09:33.4 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Hey, this is what it means for me, in a sense. |
74 | 2020-10-14 19:09:36.8 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Yeah and different things to different people in the group because the holy spirit uses you know the Bible. Which is living in an active and a sharp is a double edged sword it speaks differently to different people. |
75 | 2020-10-14 19:09:37.2 PDT | Robby Butler | Yeah, and that's kind of a latest question. |
76 | 2020-10-14 19:10:00.0 PDT | Robby Butler | Yeah, so I've. |
77 | 2020-10-14 19:10:01.6 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Okay so the good news is you were talking about the same thing, I just wasn't quite sure with all the different terminology was all good that's helpful. |
78 | 2020-10-14 19:10:05.4 PDT | Robby Butler | Yup, yup, that's. |
79 | 2020-10-14 19:10:06.2 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | But you know but. |
80 | 2020-10-14 19:10:09.8 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | But having your head screwed on straight and using good analysis is actually a part of this too. If someone says something really wacky that's just plain healthy and it's not saying that then I think then there's a gentle way of aiming people back into the passage and saying well where does it say that or if they're paraphrase include something that wasn't really in the passage you say I'm not, I didn't pick that up. Where do you see that in there and you do always aimed people back towards the actual text but the actual text can say different things to different people? |
81 | 2020-10-14 19:10:21.6 PDT | Robby Butler | Right. |
82 | 2020-10-14 19:10:59.4 PDT | Robby Butler | Yeah so there's the correction of correction and Dabbs ration is that heresy develop when strong individuals lead groups history not one groups on a level playing field are interacting faithfully the scripture. |
83 | 2020-10-14 19:11:00.4 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Yeah. |
84 | 2020-10-14 19:11:16.0 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | The goal is, I guess you random error is fine systematic areas dangerous. |
85 | 2020-10-14 19:11:21.6 PDT | Robby Butler | Yeah, and, and group correction is helpful. Groups learn faster from your member more and they support each other then there'll be dean. Yeah. |
86 | 2020-10-14 19:11:24.4 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Yeah. |
87 | 2020-10-14 19:11:24.8 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Right. |
88 | 2020-10-14 19:11:28.0 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Wasn't with the crowd. Yeah. |
89 | 2020-10-14 19:11:30.2 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Another way of saying that is SC is the all G. That's not routed on scripture. But because we have a circle of theological amateurs that are depending on scripture to keep them oriented properly. That it never gets that far from scripture that it becomes heresy. |
90 | 2020-10-14 19:11:31.0 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Okay. |
91 | 2020-10-14 19:11:54.6 PDT | Robby Butler | Unless I disagree with you, yeah, okay. |
92 | 2020-10-14 19:12:01.4 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | Well, but we both have acknowledge that we're amateurs and no. |
93 | 2020-10-14 19:12:02.2 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | Yeah. |
94 | 2020-10-14 19:12:04.8 PDT | Robby Butler | Yeah. |
95 | 2020-10-14 19:12:05.8 PDT | Ernest Prabhakar | There is a share humility right there is no, there's no pressure or and this is a big one no status a cruise to being particularly wiser expert. |
96 | 2020-10-14 19:12:10.2 PDT | Robby Butler | Correct. |
97 | 2020-10-14 19:12:20.4 PDT | Robby Butler | Yeah. |
98 | 2020-10-14 19:12:20.6 PDT | Eric Texas Christensen | So it's not a triangle, it's a circle everyone's on the same level. |
99 | 2020-10-14 19:12:26.4 PDT | Robby Butler | I'm a little residents hesitant to about objecting to Steven and his absence when I don't have all the background but it seems to me that the general church that he rep reflects, I imagine. |
100 | 2020-10-14 19:12:43.2 PDT | Robby Butler | General church model where people who have studied in the scripture are telling the rest of us. What we should, what the passages mean and what we should do it how we should live. And that there are parenting styles and there seemed like Steven was pushing your tore to parenting style of just delivering the truth to your kids and saying live up to it and having done that and having suffered some from the results. We have one twenty two year old daughter who's not spoken to us for several months and won't respond the texts and I look back and I think it went since. |