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2020-10-14 18:58:42.4 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarHello. Robbie.
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2020-10-14 18:58:44.4 PDT
Robby ButlerHey, hey, how you doing?
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2020-10-14 18:58:46.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarGood. By the way, these are part of our podcast series, so by default they're recorded but if any time you feel uncomfortable just let me know and we will scrap the recording.
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2020-10-14 18:58:57.0 PDT
Robby ButlerI'm a high security guy. I'm worried about that somebody telling me.
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2020-10-14 18:58:57.0 PDT
Robby Butlernegative_sentiment
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2020-10-14 18:59:03.4 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarComing in what?
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2020-10-14 18:59:03.6 PDT
Robby ButlerNo I'm being, I'm being facetious yet.
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2020-10-14 18:59:07.0 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYeah I'm not sure if I explain or you've been on the grading reset once before right before idea but public discipleship.
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2020-10-14 18:59:13.8 PDT
Robby ButlerYeah, I said and I don't wanna where you were talking about to develop and we'll just the solar tape and interaction yeah the $20 like gonna get my money's worth to that moving ahead.
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2020-10-14 18:59:20.8 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYeah.
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2020-10-14 18:59:23.1 PDT
Robby Butlercurrency
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2020-10-14 18:59:28.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAhead. I have one actual client which is our church we're building out a reservation system, somewhat slowly I have been using it to archive our group chat threads do I haven't actually made it into a usable format yet. So it's still a working progress. Well, actually that's interesting. That was the very amusing Baxter and you saw the a YouTube video link I sent yet but we were having some. Well you did actually. Okay.
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2020-10-14 18:59:34.8 PDT
Robby ButlerUh-huh.
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2020-10-14 18:59:49.8 PDT
Robby ButlerUh-huh.
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2020-10-14 19:00:02.4 PDT
Robby ButlerOh, I did. Yeah, I watched tested the last half hour where Steve, please. You've got very passionate and yeah, that's a good guy. I got to that part very quickly and but I need to go back a little further see what led up to this, so, yeah.
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2020-10-14 19:00:08.2 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay, good. So yeah, you got the.
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2020-10-14 19:00:14.8 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYeah.
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2020-10-14 19:00:23.8 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYeah.
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2020-10-14 19:00:28.0 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAnd so, yeah, so it's interesting. I think there's.
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2020-10-14 19:00:37.0 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarA, a number of different things going on. And I've had a few other compensation trying to figure out exactly where this, there's a, there's a port and trying to make which I maybe making badly. And I'm sure, I'm sure it myself, I'm still trying to work it out. But part of it is is that I'm reactive again, what I would call the, well, hey Eric, here too.
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2020-10-14 19:00:58.2 PDT
Robby ButlerYeah.
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2020-10-14 19:01:07.8 PDT
Robby ButlerYeah, you're welcome.
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2020-10-14 19:01:09.4 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarHey for.
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2020-10-14 19:01:09.8 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Right.
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2020-10-14 19:01:12.6 PDT
Robby ButlerAre you in the state? Are you in the states for a while, Eric, I had mentioned you were in Thailand.
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2020-10-14 19:01:12.6 PDT
Robby Butlerquestion
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2020-10-14 19:01:12.8 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Hi.
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2020-10-14 19:01:19.4 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
We normally lived there.
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2020-10-14 19:01:20.2 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarImagine that too.
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2020-10-14 19:01:23.4 PDT
Robby ButlerSay that again.
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2020-10-14 19:01:23.6 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
We normally in Thailand but we got caught outside by the COVID. Shutdowns.
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2020-10-14 19:01:30.0 PDT
Robby ButlerOkay, got it. So it definitely.
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2020-10-14 19:01:31.4 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
We went to Michigan back in March for, what was supposed to be, just a short like a marriage workshop and while we're there, Thailand shut the border.
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2020-10-14 19:01:42.0 PDT
Robby ButlerYeah, yeah.
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2020-10-14 19:01:46.2 PDT
Robby ButlerYou're having an extended workshop.
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2020-10-14 19:01:48.8 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Yeah, exactly the Lord knew that we needed a lot of a extra remedial time.
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2020-10-14 19:01:49.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarHey, you know what's funny.
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2020-10-14 19:01:57.0 PDT
Robby ButlerI guess, yeah.
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2020-10-14 19:01:57.4 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarNo, it's funny that reminds me of how you and I actually got to do is try to remember but I was supposed to be driving through Denver or just over night and my transmission went out for like four or five days. I got involved all your marriage counseling and everything.
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2020-10-14 19:02:02.6 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Yeah.
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2020-10-14 19:02:09.8 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Tanner bottle.
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2020-10-14 19:02:12.6 PDT
Robby ButlerNo.
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2020-10-14 19:02:15.8 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Yeah, I remember you know this like twilight zone, panel, Rado see that happen.
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2020-10-14 19:02:25.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarRobert was kind of up to go and re watch a good chunk of the episode three knows some of the back story and I was telling him, but does this business some tension between Steve and I are on the chat thread and we haven't been able to find time to resolve it. So, it kind of trigger that. What's the, I think the positive way for me, the question is I'm trying to renegotiate my relationship with how I study the Bible because I spent a lot of time especially, you know, college. I'm having a very intellectual relationship to Bible study.
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2020-10-14 19:02:33.8 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Okay.
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2020-10-14 19:03:04.8 PDT
Robby ButlerUh-huh.
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2020-10-14 19:03:05.2 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAnd I want, Eric he was wonderful Frazee mindset of a BDR, I want to be studying the Bible in order to connect with Jesus and they'll pay him and try to break my on healthy habits of just analyzing and so that's sort of similar to the sort of Bible story, a discovery Bible study things that we've talked about in the past and so you had offered to do that and I'm not sure, I feel like you, Eric has talked about something similar about yours I guess do circles is the term you'd use Eric?
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2020-10-14 19:03:11.4 PDT
Robby ButlerYeah.
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2020-10-14 19:03:18.0 PDT
Robby ButlerRight.
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2020-10-14 19:03:45.8 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
No, mine was discovery Bible study.
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2020-10-14 19:03:49.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay. You're using from discovery Bible study, okay.
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2020-10-14 19:03:51.8 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
But then we talked about another thing or any which was coaching circle and those are a different thing that are, and they don't have a hierarchy, but they provide a source of accountability and fellowship, I'm in movements that grow, it's very scalable.
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2020-10-14 19:03:55.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarCall.
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2020-10-14 19:04:17.8 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarScalable circle but they don't really have a formal Bible study portion of that.
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2020-10-14 19:04:23.6 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Our coaching circles. No, that's a separate thing that's an array, it can include Bible study but discovery, Bible study is a simple method of Bible study which does always include, I'm a big obedience question which each member answers with a specific plan for how they're going to implement or, oh bay this in that week and then it's part of the function of that group to always ask at the beginning of a meeting, how it went for each member on their individual obedience plans. So this is what leads to spiritual growth in the members.
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2020-10-14 19:05:14.2 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay, so is this it all similar to the sort of Bible stories and stuff that you're doing we're talking about Robbie, am I getting my wires crossed?
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2020-10-14 19:05:16.3 PDT
Ernest Prabhakarquestion
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2020-10-14 19:05:25.2 PDT
Robby ButlerWell I it's been a while since I think I've really talked about a Bible storing separate from discovery Bible study I think last few years a within discovery Bible story study one common element not universal is somebody telling the story in their own words at some point the first form of this that I came across a person prepares and learns the story.
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2020-10-14 19:05:58.2 PDT
Robby ButlerAll the details by heart without memorizing and tells the story and leads in and interactive to that can be completely oral and that's a very effective modeling many contacts where there are a lot of people that read other contexts where somebody in the group breeds will often read through the story once or twice and that you know somebody tell us in their own words but in light of what Eric shared and the meeting about the median. Sorry, entasis I think the discovery by, I mean, the.
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2020-10-14 19:06:32.7 PDT
Robby ButlerIt's only proof of all, would it leads to a medium instead of head knowledge in terms of what I think is brutal but Stephen, there's another probably part of a different a paradigm and model Richie described discipleship as one person who I think he would say has mastered. So merrier learn some area that transferring that to somebody who's the alerting. I'm in discovery Bible studies a very different Infosys. It's not transfer of intellectual expensive, it's a focus on obedience to what in effect if you can use more a charismatic terminology. So, what guy to say to use the civic, leave out of the passage rather when somebody else thinks that means for you?
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2020-10-14 19:06:34.2 PDT
Robby Butlerquestion
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2020-10-14 19:07:22.4 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
So, the word discovery indicate that each individual is discovering a message from god, each time they meet and so, the group, the function of the group is not well, the function of the group is to help each individual discover god's message each time.
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2020-10-14 19:07:49.8 PDT
Robby ButlerWhat's creating an environment for people to hear from god. Whether or not, that's what they're expecting but the process of yourself articulating. So, asking what does this passage me. And there's a common question there's, there's various formulation but there's typically a set of seven or eight questions and, or the one we come to use includes the question. What does this mean when you say what it means in effect you're telling the saying the passage union where it said whatever you put something in your own words in sparks creativity and sign of. Now if there's a different way that the brain processes things when you put the words then when you just hear them.
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2020-10-14 19:08:36.8 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
And another thing that is that when you articulated, in your own words, you now own that message in a way that doesn't necessarily happen, unless you have to articulate a message in your own words.
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2020-10-14 19:08:37.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAnd just one.
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2020-10-14 19:08:54.6 PDT
Robby ButlerIf you tell me something I have to, I guess that's it. If I tell you something, I have to, believe it if I'm, you know, unless the test, yeah.
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2020-10-14 19:09:01.4 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Yeah, to own it.
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2020-10-14 19:09:04.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarCause I could take a few different phrases there and help me clarify. Are you supposed to say this is what the passage means or this is what I think it me, and is the goal of the group to try to reach a consistent about what it means or to just hear each person's perspective?
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2020-10-14 19:09:09.4 PDT
Ernest Prabhakarquestion
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2020-10-14 19:09:22.2 PDT
Robby ButlerYeah, there's no.
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2020-10-14 19:09:22.4 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Well, you can pay it this is what it means to me today. I have to do this week or I'm going to be disobedience so.
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2020-10-14 19:09:33.4 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarHey, this is what it means for me, in a sense.
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2020-10-14 19:09:36.8 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Yeah and different things to different people in the group because the holy spirit uses you know the Bible. Which is living in an active and a sharp is a double edged sword it speaks differently to different people.
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2020-10-14 19:09:37.2 PDT
Robby ButlerYeah, and that's kind of a latest question.
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2020-10-14 19:10:00.0 PDT
Robby ButlerYeah, so I've.
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2020-10-14 19:10:01.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay so the good news is you were talking about the same thing, I just wasn't quite sure with all the different terminology was all good that's helpful.
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2020-10-14 19:10:05.4 PDT
Robby ButlerYup, yup, that's.
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2020-10-14 19:10:06.2 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
But you know but.
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2020-10-14 19:10:09.8 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
But having your head screwed on straight and using good analysis is actually a part of this too. If someone says something really wacky that's just plain healthy and it's not saying that then I think then there's a gentle way of aiming people back into the passage and saying well where does it say that or if they're paraphrase include something that wasn't really in the passage you say I'm not, I didn't pick that up. Where do you see that in there and you do always aimed people back towards the actual text but the actual text can say different things to different people?
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2020-10-14 19:10:21.6 PDT
Robby ButlerRight.
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2020-10-14 19:10:59.4 PDT
Robby ButlerYeah so there's the correction of correction and Dabbs ration is that heresy develop when strong individuals lead groups history not one groups on a level playing field are interacting faithfully the scripture.
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2020-10-14 19:11:00.4 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYeah.
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2020-10-14 19:11:16.0 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarThe goal is, I guess you random error is fine systematic areas dangerous.
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2020-10-14 19:11:21.6 PDT
Robby ButlerYeah, and, and group correction is helpful. Groups learn faster from your member more and they support each other then there'll be dean. Yeah.
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2020-10-14 19:11:24.4 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYeah.
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Eric Texas Christensen
Right.
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2020-10-14 19:11:28.0 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarWasn't with the crowd. Yeah.
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2020-10-14 19:11:30.2 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Another way of saying that is SC is the all G. That's not routed on scripture. But because we have a circle of theological amateurs that are depending on scripture to keep them oriented properly. That it never gets that far from scripture that it becomes heresy.
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2020-10-14 19:11:31.0 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay.
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2020-10-14 19:11:54.6 PDT
Robby ButlerUnless I disagree with you, yeah, okay.
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2020-10-14 19:12:01.4 PDT
Eric Texas Christensen
Well, but we both have acknowledge that we're amateurs and no.
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2020-10-14 19:12:02.2 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYeah.
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2020-10-14 19:12:04.8 PDT
Robby ButlerYeah.
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2020-10-14 19:12:05.8 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarThere is a share humility right there is no, there's no pressure or and this is a big one no status a cruise to being particularly wiser expert.
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Robby ButlerCorrect.
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2020-10-14 19:12:20.4 PDT
Robby ButlerYeah.
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Eric Texas Christensen
So it's not a triangle, it's a circle everyone's on the same level.
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2020-10-14 19:12:26.4 PDT
Robby ButlerI'm a little residents hesitant to about objecting to Steven and his absence when I don't have all the background but it seems to me that the general church that he rep reflects, I imagine.
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2020-10-14 19:12:43.2 PDT
Robby ButlerGeneral church model where people who have studied in the scripture are telling the rest of us. What we should, what the passages mean and what we should do it how we should live. And that there are parenting styles and there seemed like Steven was pushing your tore to parenting style of just delivering the truth to your kids and saying live up to it and having done that and having suffered some from the results. We have one twenty two year old daughter who's not spoken to us for several months and won't respond the texts and I look back and I think it went since.