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TimestampChoose your classYour HouseYour name1. Who is the speaker of the poem? 2. Who is the audience for the poem? 4. Use line numbers to indicate the poem's major thought divisions.5. "Sonnet 130" contains a simile and several metaphors, but they are not used to describe the speaker’s mistress. Rather, each description undermines the comparison. List these undermined comparisons by filling in the following gaps: “the mistress' eyes do not shine like the sun, her lips…, her skin…, her hair…, her cheeks…, her breath…, her speech…, and her gait is not a glide."6. "Sonnet 130" is a blason (a type of poetry that compares a woman’s attributes to precious or beautiful things). Still: compare the descriptions of the “mistress” in "Sonnet 130" to the over-the-top praise of the beloved in “My Lady’s Presence Makes the Roses Red” and “Her Face.” In what way is Shakespeare’s speaker responding to this type of extravagant love poetry?8a. What is the tone of the poem? 8b. From what key words or phrases did you deduce the poem's tone?9. The final rhyming couplet contains the sonnet’s volta (a turn in thought often indicated by such words as “But,” “Yet,” or “And yet”). How do these last two lines change the poem’s tone, and its sense of intimacy? How are they a further criticism of hyperbolic love poetry?10. "Sonnet 130" gets its name from the fact that Shakespeare wrote 129 sonnets before it (and 24 after), all of them in iambic pentameter (five beats) and rhyming ABABCDCDEFEFGG. Sonnets 127-54 concern a woman who has come to be known as “the dark lady.” If the “dark lady” was a real person, do you think Shakespeare intended her to read this sonnet? Why or why not? 11. Based on all the above, what is poem's central viewpoint or insight about Love?
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PINK= You got itBLUE= Message from Dr. XRED= Nope
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9/22/2014 0:35:17
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Dickinson
Bird JacketUnknownThe readerThe punctuation shows the thoughts to be

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her lips are not red or even coral,
her skin is an ugly color,
her hair is frizzy(?),
her cheeks are colorless,
her breath stinks,
her speech is not pleasant to the speaker,
and her gait is not a glide
I think Shakespeare was trying to illustrate the reality of love and a relationship. It seems like a sarcastic, somewhat comedic rebellion against the other poems comparisons to the sun, colors, flowers, etc.happy/ecstatic/joyful, thoughtful/contemplative, sincere/honest, ironic"And yet, by heaven, I think my love as rare as any she belied with false compare"The last two lines make it clear that he was not criticizing her in the preceding lines. It changes the tone to one of realistic adoration and honesty, which is one of the most intimate ways to express one's self. They are a criticism of hyperbolic love poetry because he is implying that exaggerated comparisons are not necessary for proclaiming your love for someone. Or maybe that if you need to exaggerate you might not really be adoring the person for who she really is.I think it was intended for her to read if those poems concern no other females. Especially, since he clearly accepts her for all of her flaws in Sonnet 130 it wouldn't surprise me if he was in love with a "dark lady".If love is true, you must accept all characteristics of the other person, good or bad.
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3/19/2015 20:15:55
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Dickinson
Royal Priesthood
William Shakespeare

Dr. X: you are conflating author and speaker. They are not necessarily the same
The readerThe line is just pure sarcasmHer eyes are not bright
her lips are not as dark red but possible pink or black-not a beautiful lips
her skin possible dry. She is tan
her hair is like wire which is not too soft and silky
her cheeks dont have a spot of red its just plain
she has bad breath
she does not have a special tone of voice that will drawbthe attention
Due to the fact that this women dont have a beautiful outside appearance but she is beautiful inside
thoughtful/contemplative, sincere/honest, ironic, sarcastic
The last two lines
where is shown that he was being honet and sarcastic at the same time but he says his point at the end
first sentence, the speaker spends on each comparison between his mistress and something else, in the second and third sentence, he expands the descriptions to occupy two lines each, This creates the effect of an expanding and developing argument, and neatly prevents the poem.

the speaker shows his full intent, which is to insist that love does not need these conceits in order to be real, and women do not need to look like flowers or the sun in order to be beautiful.
I think he wanted her to read it
to let her know that he dont care about the outside but he love her just the way she is.
he want her to feel comfortable with herself
Love is from within the heart
the rythem of the heart
not whT the outside Looks like
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3/21/2015 14:51:39(5:45)DickinsonseriouslyA femaleThe readerLines 9 and 10, indicate that the mistress voice is not a pleasant sound, however, the spoken words are appreciated and enjoyed.
Lines 13 and 14, which point out that regardless of outside beauty the mistress lacks, does not discredit her image. Nevertheless the mistress is unique and a rare love.
"Her lips"... are not as red as the red in coral.
"Her skin"...is not as the bright white as in snow.
"Her hair"....is thick and tough like wires, not fine and gentle.
"Her cheeks"...is not blushed as the red in a rose.
"Her breath"...is not a pleasant scent like of a perfume.
"Her speech"...lacks an enjoyable tune that is found in music.
"Her gate is not a glide"..rather her walk is heavy and not elegant.
The descriptions of the “mistress” in “Sonnet 130” are focused on the deeper beauty from within rather an illusion of love that is based on outer appearances. As for the beloved in "My Lady's Presence Makes the Roses Red" places the speaker on a high pedal stile of ultimate beauty based on outer appearances only. "Her Face" describes the admirer to be subservient to the speakers face and receives extreme gratification by her presence. Shakespeare's speaker is described as to be seen as the real her and not how beauty in extravagant love poetry should be portrayed.sincere/honest, ironic"I love to hear her speak," which is ironic towards everything negative about her description.
"But," and "And yet...signals a change in tone of the unfortunate mistress who lacks outer beauty.
The tone changes to acceptance for which the mistress can only offer, her true self. The tone is sincere and honest when the feelings are expressed in the poem.
"But”. Indicates that the lover realizes there exists neither trace nor connection to symbolic images that are considered to represent beauty, confirms recognition.
"And yet"... the lover admits sincerely and honestly to adore the mistress nevertheless. Also, indicates the sense of intimacy and love connection felt by the lover towards the mistress. The rare love cannot be resisted regardless of the unpleasant appearances.
I do not believe that Shakespeare intended her to read this sonnet because he did not directly address her.The insight about love is that beauty is defined only in the eyes of a lover. That love can have many forms and meanings depends on the person, not what love should be rather what the hearts desires.
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3/23/2015 13:24:23(5:45)dickinsonsha bhaleyWilliam Shakespeare

Dr. X: you are conflating author and speaker. They are not necessarily the same.
The readerlines 13 and 14lips are not as the red in coral.
her skin are not as white as snow.
her hair is thick as wires and rough.
her cheeks do not blush
her breath does not smells pleasant.
her speech is not enjoyable as the sound in music.
her gait is not elegant and feminine.
Shakespeare tries to say these kinds of love stories are artificial and are just words which does not mean anything in real life. sincere/honest, ironiclines 13 and 14the last two lines shows that in-spite of all the faults that he sees in her, he still thinks this woman is as special as all the other ladies written about in the fake, exaggerated poetry

the speaker tries to criticize by saying that all the hyperbolic love poetry's are fake and fiction. For him all that matters is love and care towards each other and not artificial praises.
yes he wanted her to read the poem because he wanted her to know what exactly he feels about him.love is incomparable!!
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3/21/2017 14:59:22
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Colleen LamoureuxA dedicated lover gender unspecifiedThe reader, A female, A male, Society at that time because he is defying typical comparisons to perfect beautyIs line 13 (13-14) the major thought division because it finishes his undermining and states yet that he loves his mistress despite these unreasonable standards we use to compare?I do not understand what is being asked.
1. Sun-...eyes do not shine like the sun
2. Lips-not as red as coral let a lone a standard rose
3. Skin-not sure but maybe because because of what he says about her eyes and her breasts, none of her skin is very bright glowing or typically beautiful of that time.
4. Hair-is not golden like wires of that time. they are black.
5. Cheeks-do not have a rosy hue like other women's cheeks
6. Breath-does not smell like fancy perfume but gross reeking
7. Speech-her voice and speech is not pleasant like music
8. -She does not float in the air like a goddess would
Shakespeare's speaker is taking over the top yet commonly used similes and metaphors and using their own power to make a point by saying his mistress is not those things.

130 says his mistress lips are not as red as coral which is not as red as a rose which is at best the minimal compliment.

"My "Lady's Presence.." Constable says his Lady's power is the same as the sun (also unlike 130's mistress's eyes) and she GIVES the roses their redness. This the ultimate compliment. The flowers take their color from her.

HER FACE States, "Her face with beams doth blind mine eye". This the opposite of 130's saying his mistress's eyes are not like the sun." And the opposite of 130 saying her cheeks are not rosy.

defiant/resistant, sincere/honest, matter-of-fact/bussinesslike, ironic, not sure about ironicAt first read I was not sure of the tone or where it was heading because the entire poem up until the last two lines seems almost like an insult, but then I deduced the poem's general tone by the last two lines 13,14 which because he says that even though his mistress does not live up to the comparisons that he was making that his love is actually rare because he loves his mistress and it is a rare love and not any less real and maybe even better than any love compared to typical ridiculous standards of love. I answered this in question number 8. But now I am not sure If I answered question 8 properly. I am not sure if he meant for HER to read this sonnet but it does seem like he may be making reference to a "Dark Lady" because his is saying ( line 1) Her eyes aren't like the sun (they are dark). Line 3, her breasts are more dun than white snow (darker in color, more weathered?)
(But wouldn't I have to read all of those other sonnets to really know?)
The poems central viewpoint about love is that it is compared (at that time at least) to unrealistic exaggerated societal opinions of what represents love. Things like perfect suns and pure white snow and perfectly red flowers and fancy perfumes.

And even though his mistress falls short of these unrealistic love comparisons, he loves his mistress in a more rare and authentic way than most woman are loved even if they do measure up to those unrealistic standards.
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3/23/2017 16:12:03
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Moushumi MunaA femaleThe readerThe author describe it as a painful massage to the Lord because people are in Dixie that in southern US people are judge by their skin tone.This sonnet compares the speaker’s lover to a number of other beauties as Her eyes are “nothing like the sun,” her lips are less red than coral that are compared to white snow, and her hairs are like black wires on her head, her breath that “reeks” from his mistress is less delightful than perfume, though he loves her voice, music “hath a far more pleasing sound,” and that, though he has never seen a goddess, “As any she belied with false compare.that is, any love in which false comparisons were invoked to describe the loved one’s beauty.This poem is a gentle parody of traditional love poetry.The Shakespeare ends the sonnet by announcing that his love for his mistress despite her lack of adornment, so he does finally embrace the fundamental theme in this sonnets total and consuming love. ironic, SarcasticIn this poem the tone changes in a surprising way that the particular sonnet shows he has been criticizing his mistress over the poem but It comes in the last two lines, speaker switches his strategy completely and then, all of a sudden, he starts telling us how much he loves her. The dark lady's beauty cannot be compared to the beauty of a goddess or to that found in nature, for she is but a mortal human being.I think shakespeare intended her in to the poem anyway because he wanted to show a person cant judge by their look but he described as a bad person his wife then he also said he love her. The author exaggerates to make a view point that his love is real as he thinks she is flaws but he also think hes love is rare. He believes that their relationship has being honesty, & he don't have to lots worship to make their relationship better.
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3/25/2017 0:13:50
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XiuYan,JinA maleThe reader, A femaleline 1-12 he compare the mistress with other things and give examples.according to the comparison he try to say the mistress may not beautiful enough .

13-14 but she is as extraordinary as others women who are wrongly praised or compared .
her lips is not red coral; her skin is not white like snow ; her hair like black wires;her cheeks not red or white nothing like damask;her breath is reeks;her speech is not pleasing like music.the speaker use the irony to imply the true feeling. thoughtful/contemplative, sincere/honest, ironicline 9 I love to hear her speak,....
like 13-14 And yet,.... with false compare.
The last two lines showed speaker's true love and feels. line 13 , I think my love as ....the tone is very sincere and honest .

hyperbolic love poetry seems focus on lady's appearance, not inside beauty. sonnet 130 is love poem about lady's other value other than appearance, then you can feel the speaker's true love to the lady.
I think Shakespeare intended her to read this sonnet . because the poem showed his true love to her. when you fall in love with someone , even thought she is not beautiful than others , but she is beautiful and has speical values to speaker.
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3/26/2017 17:17:06
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Arlene OrtizA maleThe reader, A femaleNot sure what you mean."the mistress' eyes do not shine like the sun, her lips aren't a bright red, her skin is dull, her hair is dark and coarse, her cheeks are not rosy and vibrant, her breath doesn't always smell good, her speech and voice are not very pleasant, and her gait is not a glide" In "My Lady's Presence Makes the Roses Red" and "Her Face" there seems to be an exaggeration of a woman's beauty. Those poems seem to say "my lady is perfect in every way" while Shakespeare is saying "my mistress isn't a traditional beauty but I love her just the same". Line 10 in "My Lady's Presence Makes the Roses Red", the speaker says is basically saying how sweet her breath is, meanwhile in Sonnet 103 lines 8 and 9 are saying that there are perfumes that smell better the mistress' breath. thoughtful/contemplative, affectionate/loving/caring, sincere/honestThe use of the word "love" and the last 2 lines of the poem.This poem sounds like an insult, until you read the last 2 lines. Hyperbolic love poetry is usually very extravagant. for example "her eyes twinkle like the stars in a clear sky." Shakespeare is basically saying, "no her eyes aren't that bright and beautiful but I love her anyway." Shakespeare is honest in this poem. Seems like Shakespeare is trying to show "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" I don't think this is intended for her to read at all. I think that to a significant other, this would still come across as an insult. In a modern conversation "the dark lady" would read this and say "You love me even though I'm ugly? Is this supposed to be a compliment?"
Love is not all about the outward appearance. Beauty and love are not the same thing. When you truly love someone, you find beauty in their imperfections.
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3/27/2017 11:00:39
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Juan A maleThe reader, A femalesoHer eyes do not shine.
Her lips are not red.
Her breasts are not white.
Her cheeks are pale.
Her breath stinks.
She does not have a pleasant voice.
sosincere/honestI deduce the poem's tone from the whole poem.
In the first twelve lines he is sincere by telling the readers how her mistress' looks like and in the last two lines he says that he doesn't matter her defects because he loves her for who she is.
This last two lines change the tone because after he told us negative things about his mistress' in the first twelve lines, at the end he said that he loves her.I do not think Shakespeare intended her to read this poem because it is nasty the way he describes her even thought at the end of the poem he says that he loves her.loving someone for their inner beauty, not their outward appearance.
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3/27/2017 22:19:01
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Tareq AzizA maleThe readerLine 11- I grant I never saw a goddess go;her lips are less red than coral, her skin is brownish dark gray, her hair are like black wires on her head, her cheeks are colorless, her breath are less delightful than perfume, her speech has no pleasure sound like music.no idea.mocking/parodyEyes are nothing like the sun, dun, damask'd, reeks, etc.These last two lines, he changes his tune and tells us about his real and complete love for her. He can just tell his mistress, plainly and simply, that he loves her for who she is.no idea.This poem is an expression of love. It is partly about where loves come from, what motivates our feelings os affection for someone else. Specially, this poem about finding love in spite of physical flows.
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3/28/2017 8:55:35
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Kamilla GrahamA maleThe reader, A maleLine 13 & 14
Shows that the speaker was being sarcastic & loves his mistress for the way she is.

Her lips red
Her skin white
Her hair as black wires
Her cheeks pale with no roses
Her breath reeks
Her speech, I love to hear
The speaker mocks showy and flowery love poems in his realistic portrayal of his mistress. He gives out a sarcastic tone rather than a serious one. He makes fun of the whole idea of love poems.passionate/ardent, thoughtful/contemplative, sarcastic"And yet, by heaven, I think my love as rare"
The tone changes because it begins sarcastic and rude, but in the last 2 lines the speaker thinks that his love is rare and valuable.Maybe because the poem compare the mistress to different things, then claims that she doesn't measure up to them. Then the poem ends with the speaker declaring love for her. The point was to show that any love that brings up false comparisons was meant to describe their loved ones beauty.
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