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2020-10-21 14:03:20.1 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarHello, David. How are you doing?
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2020-10-21 14:03:22.5 PDT
David JohnsonHello.
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2020-10-21 14:03:26.7 PDT
David JohnsonAlright. So cold this week, huh.
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2020-10-21 14:03:30.3 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarSorry, what?
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2020-10-21 14:03:30.9 PDT
David JohnsonWe're doing a call this week, we're going to do.
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2020-10-21 14:03:33.3 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarThere's no, we, yes, back to the phone I have to run from so far duty for the kids. So, I'll be something in and out of house hopefully it will not be too disruptive for the phone call.
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2020-10-21 14:03:48.3 PDT
David JohnsonOkay.
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2020-10-21 14:03:48.9 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAnd I actually enjoying the phone transcripts and all that. Huh. So, how did you enjoy Tuesdays session?
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2020-10-21 14:03:54.9 PDT
David JohnsonAre you?
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2020-10-21 14:03:57.3 PDT
Ernest Prabhakarquestion
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2020-10-21 14:04:02.1 PDT
David JohnsonI feel like I keep making predictions that they keep coming through.
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2020-10-21 14:04:07.5 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay. So I predict that I can, I finally able to explain to you what it is I'm doing.
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2020-10-21 14:04:15.9 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAnd so let's see if that comes through. So what, sorry.
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2020-10-21 14:04:17.1 PDT
David JohnsonWhat? Well, when?
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2020-10-21 14:04:22.5 PDT
David JohnsonLike when, I mean like in a turn, in a, in a Trinity you'll be able to explain to me why you wanted to do today, oh.
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2020-10-21 14:04:27.3 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarNo, and like today, today in the next forty five minutes I'll be able to explain to you what it is I'm trying to do, okay.
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2020-10-21 14:04:33.9 PDT
David JohnsonOh I will not be satisfied with the answer.
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2020-10-21 14:04:38.1 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay find out. Okay, so a couple of caviar, one is that I think there's three different questions that if he could separate them I could make progress. One is what it is I'm trying to do, the second is why I'm trying to do it and the third is whether or not it is interesting and like me to work.
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2020-10-21 14:05:02.7 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAnd if you could be couple of those three issues, I felt like we can make some progress cause I thought I'm trying to explain one and the other two confuse the issue.
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2020-10-21 14:05:13.5 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAnd you're willing to the couple of bills for me, at least for the purposes of this call.
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2020-10-21 14:05:18.9 PDT
David JohnsonYeah, give me one second. I want to be thorough about this. Can you steep them again? I'm gonna write them down?
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2020-10-21 14:05:24.2 PDT
David Johnsonquestion
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2020-10-21 14:05:26.7 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarSure, yes and the order I want to talk to about one what it is I'm trying to do.
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2020-10-21 14:05:33.3 PDT
David JohnsonGood.
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2020-10-21 14:05:35.1 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarTo is why I'm trying to do it.
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2020-10-21 14:05:40.5 PDT
David JohnsonOkay.
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2020-10-21 14:05:42.3 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAnd then the third is whether you find it interesting or like me to work.
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2020-10-21 14:05:48.9 PDT
David JohnsonAnd my mind three is is always disconnect.
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2020-10-21 14:05:56.7 PDT
David JohnsonIt's not really correlated to anything I would say.
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2020-10-21 14:06:00.3 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarWell, yeah, what the in the past you've been playing the game of trying to reduce it to something that was boring. And through the mother point I would make is asking suspend displeased. And focus on. What do you believe me or not, whether you understand me?
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2020-10-21 14:06:07.5 PDT
David JohnsonYeah.
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2020-10-21 14:06:14.3 PDT
Ernest Prabhakarquestion
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2020-10-21 14:06:17.1 PDT
David JohnsonOh, no, no, I think he miss understand something if I can produce something to something boring like that. When I'm, it's a criticism, what I'm saying is you have failed to describe what you are doing in any meaningful way because I have reduced it to something that I think everyone would Brian's boring. So that's I.
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2020-10-21 14:06:29.1 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarRight.
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2020-10-21 14:06:33.3 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarSo first question is first let's, let's, let's just because I'm trying to explain what it is, I think what I'm trying to do and then let's focus on whether or not, and see if you could repeat it back to me in a way that we both agree that you have understood me.
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2020-10-21 14:06:40.5 PDT
David JohnsonWell, no, no, no, no.
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2020-10-21 14:06:47.1 PDT
David JohnsonNo, okay, I don't we have a problem here. Okay, whether or not I find something interesting there's not the point here I'm saying I use that as a tool to demonstrate that you have an actually describe what you're doing you said like if you just said oh well I just wanna, I just want to be alive, I want to live my life. And I'm like okay sure. But you haven't defined enough for this to be meaningful to anybody, not just me but the anybody. So that's like criticism I, it has nothing to do with me I think it applies to.
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2020-10-21 14:06:50.7 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay.
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2020-10-21 14:07:00.3 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay.
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2020-10-21 14:07:10.5 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay, fine what? Okay, so okay, so okay, the, so first of all, let's just.
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2020-10-21 14:07:23.7 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarWell, I think one of the things that throws me off if you won't stop meaningful to anybody sort, nobody find with meaningful which is a sort of universal categorization that is not necessarily deceptive both the proof or disapprove. So let me just personally if I, let me just, okay I'm gonna take another one to try and explain what it is I'm doing and we'll just focus on whether you understand me and get the point I'm trying to make. Okay, so I'm gonna take another framing and I'm gonna explain this to you and we'll see how far we get, okay.
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2020-10-21 14:07:56.7 PDT
David JohnsonOkay. I guess I.
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2020-10-21 14:07:59.1 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarComing, are you willing to let me try?
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2020-10-21 14:07:59.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakarquestion
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2020-10-21 14:08:02.1 PDT
David JohnsonWell okay when I wanna see here is that you brought up three things asking me to, I saw a time and what I'm telling you is I don't understand how that even possible and so you wanna, you wanna move forward but I'm like your premise here something I actually project.
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2020-10-21 14:08:12.3 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay, what.
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2020-10-21 14:08:17.7 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarThe premises that, those are.
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2020-10-21 14:08:23.1 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarSo you're saying that.
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2020-10-21 14:08:26.7 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarEven so you're saying you weren't, was promised you reject cause it's possibly the couple of these three.
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2020-10-21 14:08:33.3 PDT
David JohnsonOkay, I.
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2020-10-21 14:08:35.7 PDT
David JohnsonWhen are you said like I need to isolate and take like don't don't actually these three things and the third thing is whether David finds it interesting and, and what I say is okay, well literally that is already always isolated I don't, I don't think I couple of that with anything but what I would say generally when I called on the board and I'm saying that you couldn't take any one in the group and let me talk to them and take the words that you have said and I can convince them to admit that this is trivial.
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2020-10-21 14:08:45.9 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYes.
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2020-10-21 14:09:08.7 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay, so that's beside the point. Okay, let me just say for this conversation was trying to accomplish a small sub and see if we can agree on that just as a way to make progress. I want to describe to you what it is I'm trying to do in terms which I think capture what is important to me and then let's just see if you can understand what it is that I am saying in a way that what they're not you think it's useful or interesting are important. At least it makes sense to you that you can both agree this is what I'm trying to do.
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2020-10-21 14:09:16.5 PDT
David JohnsonOkay.
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2020-10-21 14:09:23.1 PDT
David JohnsonOkay.
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2020-10-21 14:09:39.9 PDT
David JohnsonYeah, you see like when you, when you say that like Bernie, it makes me think that you don't understand anything, I'm saying it all.
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2020-10-21 14:09:42.9 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarMm-hmm.
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2020-10-21 14:09:46.5 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarI think that's entirely possible.
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2020-10-21 14:09:50.1 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarHold on just 1:00 second I gotta make sure this isn't something urgent for the family on the other line.
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2020-10-21 14:09:50.1 PDT
David JohnsonSo like.
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2020-10-21 14:09:51.2 PDT
Ernest Prabhakartime
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2020-10-21 14:09:55.5 PDT
David JohnsonAlright, sure.
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2020-10-21 14:11:06.9 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarHello, still there?
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2020-10-21 14:11:08.7 PDT
David JohnsonYes, I'm here.
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2020-10-21 14:11:10.5 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYeah, so the point is that I'm not sure I've understood what you said and I'm not sure if you've understand what I said something let's start over again.
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2020-10-21 14:11:19.5 PDT
David JohnsonOkay. I want, I guess what I'm trying to say here is that.
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2020-10-21 14:11:27.9 PDT
David JohnsonThe, the boring label is a tool to demonstrate that you have an adequately defined anything that it's too big to have meaning that's what it's, that's what it's doing.
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2020-10-21 14:11:36.9 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay, bye.
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2020-10-21 14:11:41.7 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarSo, let me I understand that's what you are trying to do with it I'm not sure it's helping so I want to try a different route.
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2020-10-21 14:11:57.9 PDT
David JohnsonAnd you're not sure it's helping. I mean, it helps me.
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2020-10-21 14:12:00.9 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYeah, I know I think I understand it is it is communicated be useful fast with your frustrated into dissatisfied I get that is a useful back to know.
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2020-10-21 14:12:09.9 PDT
David JohnsonYou said I would say is that like once again, you said something that isn't true and like I'm, I feel like I need to be very careful with you because you keep making statements that are wrong and I think it's demonstrating that we're not at all and alignment here.
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2020-10-21 14:12:26.1 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYes, that's what I'm agreeing with. That's what I want to start over and try a different approach.
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2020-10-21 14:12:31.5 PDT
David JohnsonWell, no what I'm saying we'll know what I just said is that I'm not going to let you move forward as you steep follows things that go uncorrected.
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2020-10-21 14:12:45.9 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarSorry my children are estimate random questions which is distracting. I apologize.
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2020-10-21 14:12:52.5 PDT
David JohnsonWe can take all the time. I don't want.
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2020-10-21 14:12:53.1 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOh, all right.
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2020-10-21 14:12:57.3 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAlright, okay I think we are, oh, stable you have a teacher. So yeah, yeah, I the your points that I seem to be missing tripping your statements or not understanding exactly the point you're trying to make. And like I get that I acknowledge that is a concern.
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2020-10-21 14:13:18.3 PDT
David JohnsonOkay, well, I didn't just say that it's a concern, I said this is what I'm doing in response to it.
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2020-10-21 14:13:23.7 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarI will. Okay, so what are you planning to do in response to it?
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2020-10-21 14:13:25.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakarquestion
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2020-10-21 14:13:26.7 PDT
David JohnsonEvery time I hear it I'm going to stop all progress and I'm going to make sure that it gets corrected.
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2020-10-21 14:13:32.7 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay, so rather than me trying to say what I think you want and what you think you mean. I'm saying I want to start over and try to explain what it is I think I'm doing and I want you to work with me to, to.
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2020-10-21 14:13:51.3 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarI guess to send you mentioned that you're playing this game of reducing thing to generalities that what was the phrase you used?
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2020-10-21 14:14:04.5 PDT
David JohnsonI guess for juice into a trivial case.
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2020-10-21 14:14:08.1 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYeah so I think my my concern is that let me try can I suggest an alternate came to try.
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2020-10-21 14:14:08.7 PDT
David JohnsonNone none.
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2020-10-21 14:14:20.1 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarWhich is?
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2020-10-21 14:14:21.9 PDT
David JohnsonWell, I mean that's why that's just how I, that's what's going inside my head what, what businesses what's what's going on, going inside of my head.
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2020-10-21 14:14:24.9 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarHi.
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2020-10-21 14:14:29.1 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarWell, cause I still like them. So anything I say can have multiple possible interpretations, I think we just set that as a function of our interactions.
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2020-10-21 14:14:36.9 PDT
David JohnsonNot.
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2020-10-21 14:14:41.7 PDT
David JohnsonIf you get really specific it doesn't.
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2020-10-21 14:14:45.9 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarWell, I don't know. So, the, okay, so let me try. Okay, I will try and see if I can be specific enough to describe to start describing what it is. I'm trying to do. Okay, and I will try to get through.
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2020-10-21 14:14:59.1 PDT
David JohnsonOkay. I just fundamentally what, that is fundamentally what I'm asking for. I wants to the specificity.
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2020-10-21 14:15:03.9 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOkay, but I, I'm asking you to try to be I have, okay, let me just start and see how it goes and then we'll have the medical invitation if we have to, okay.
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2020-10-21 14:15:16.5 PDT
David JohnsonOkay, that's fine with me.
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2020-10-21 14:15:18.3 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarSo, the best framing what I am trying to do is to create something in a strange way comparable to him and ask to order. Are you familiar with these things?
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2020-10-21 14:15:30.7 PDT
Ernest Prabhakarquestion