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|2Thumbstoobeer||NH/MAINE||Gfunk720||Rob sent me a BM a few days after our ship date, and let me know he recieved the box I sent. He apologized for not shipping yet, but promised to ship that weekend. That was the last I ever heard from him.|
We'll it has been 2+ months now, and I haven't heard back from him. He has been on BA since, and ignores all attempts at communication. Bad trader for sure, and cost me close to $50 worth of good beer. AVOID
|alldeybrewin||West Chester, PA - 19380||nflmvp||aka: fyrecrakker05 ***He has not suffered any real consequence and he doesn't think there are any, because shipping beer is not legal to begin with. He feels that he has nothing to lose and he couldn't care less whether he gets caught because he'll just scrap his ID and start a new one.||(SB)|
|alleykatking||SOUTH BEND, IN, 466152621||tchaos||Agreed on trade in early July from ISO:FT thread -- Cantillon 750s of St Lamvinus, Cuvee de St. Gilloise, and Lou Pepe Kriek for BCBCS, BCBVS, and BCBS Rare. My end sent and received mid-July. No contact from recipient, and no BA activity since that time. He did not respond to phone calls or text messages. Followed up mid-Sept with a BA "looking for..." post after advice from many BA vets and given alleykatking's long tenure on BA. Reached alleykatking via FaceBook message Sept 13th; he responded with an apology (new house, new job), and the trade had been lost in the shuffle. He said he would ship "as soon as he can." On Sept 17, he noted he would ship Monday, Sept 19th -- no tracking number received. This was the last communication I received. My follow-up messages and texts were ignored. I sent an ultimatum on Sept 30th requesting tracking status by Oct 7th, or the bad-trader form would be submitted. No response. Other Mid-West BAs unable to reach him through their network.||10/8/2011|
|AngeloP||10512, NY, Carmel||bshaf||bshaf sent his box. Angelop got it and had most of it, one of the bottles had a damaged cap from shipping, so it was better not to age it. Angelop was not happy with that so he chose not to ship his end of the deal. His point of view was that bshaf had to pay for that bottle.(Instead of talking things out)||9/28/2012||Member on the banlist on reddit also. Reddit = I_have_an_apple, untappd/instagram = Androst|
|asparkoflife||White Plains, NY 10606||brother_kenneth||I really don't want to do this. But, this is getting out of hand. We agreed on a trade on 3/19/13 - I would send a CCB Ghost Stories, he would send a BCBCS. My box was delivered on 3/27/13. He informed me on 3/27 about a family emergency (relative with cancerous tumor). At this point, he said he would ship by the following week at the latest. I immediately responded with my condolences and said fuck it, take your time shipping (there are more important things in life than my beermail). I did not ask a single question about this until 4/9/13. He responded the same day and mentioned that his relative was doing better and that the doctors seemed to have caught the tumor in time for treatment. He also added that my box would be in the mail by the following week. 4/16/13 came around, hadn't heard anything. I sent a message inquiring about updates. He responded on 4/17/13 that he'd have a tracking number for me later that day. Two days later, he responded that he was having trouble getting a FedEx label printed, but that I was "all boxed up" and he was going to "stop at FedEx Dropoff tonight." Didn't hear anything else for a couple days so sent another message on 4/23/13 asking for updates. His response on 4/25 was this: |
Super sorry, I know you probably tyhink im pulling your chain now with all of this nonsense. But your box is ready to roll but Ive been in and out of the hospital since last Friday with my cousin who had a seizure and was in ICU on induced coma for 4 days. I SWEAR I will get it out by saturday. I have a few nice extras for you as a sorry for the long delay.
I said no big deal and again extended my condolences. I even said extras aren't necessary. I sent a message yesterday, 4/30/13, and again today, 5/1/13, as I have still not heard anything from the guy. As I mentioned, I really hate to do this, but this is honestly the worst trade I have ever been apart of. I would really like my beer though, so I am hesitant to add this guy to the list until I hear back from him....hopefully he really does have the BCBCS...I do feel that I have been more than reasonable with this, and have probably waited too long to report it, truth be told. Hit me up for more details, if needed.
|5/1/2013||*more personal info available upon request*||His last message to me.**Yeah,|
I owe him a BCBCS. I have it and its actually ready to ship but ive had a myriad of family issues that have taken precedent recently. i have a. Uncle ill with lu g cancer, a cousin who was just in a coma and this morning now my nephews father died tragically.
I have intentions and will ship out Kens box asap but still have other personal issues to sort. I can commit to getting it out by the end of the month.
|Bearded_Infamy||Osceola, IN 46561||juliusseizure||First of all this took place on reddit.com with the guy with the same username on both sites.I think I want to warn people about him on BA, because he has logged into BA since receiving my package on BA but not on reddit.|
reddit organized a Unwanted Narwhal BIF (similar to unwanted whale BIF but for beginners who don't have "whales" but lesser bottles). I got matched up in a chain of two, i.e. he sends to me and I send to him. i send a KRE, he sends a Framboise for a Cure.
After being matched he told me that his address was changing so I should wait. I waited since I was busy at work as well. We decided to ship on Monday, July 15th, 2013 and he also said my box was packed and ready to go. He received his package on 7/17/2013 (FedEx tracking# 990530915000597). I never got my box.
I BMed here on BA on July 26, 2013 and he actually logged in on July 27 but never opened my conversation (must be intentional since he knows if he reads it, I can see he did).
I have sent a FB message today as a final warning stating that all he had to do is communicate. He has a significant online presence using his BA handle and real name and has logged into things since then but not response to me.
Let me know if you need more details. At this point I am chalking this up as a lost cause but want to make sure no one else deals with him or if someone in Indiana knows him, can get in touch.
|8/9/2013||Bearded_Infamy is the same user name on reddit and Beer Advocate. He was also added to the reddit ban list here. http://www.reddit.com/r/beertrade/comments/1k9wen/bad_trader_alert_bearded_infamy/|
|BeerSociety||Livermore, CA||ajzy||At the end of January 2012 we agreed to trade a bottle of Baller Stout (my side) for an Eclipse Elijah Craig 18 and a Firestone Walker 15. We agreed to the deal on a Friday, I shipped on Monday. I waited patiently for a few weeks and received nothing. I sent him a message asking where my half of the trade was, he responded saying he was sorry, had been working a lot, and would ship out my box ASAP. A few weeks later, no box. I send him another message, he responds saying sorry it slipped his mind and that he needed my address again. I sent him the information, and still have not received my half of the trade. He also has not been logged onto BA since the time he sent me the last message.||3/24/2012|
|Beertunes||levifunk, CBlack85||failed to ship 2nd half of deal, but was good for the 1st half. Ignores all messages.||12/21/2010|
|BillyBoKnowsBeer||Cleveland, OH||RomaniIteDomum, sliverX||Owes a box for the 2011 Stanley Cup BIF. Inactive since his team was eliminated.||7/10/2011|
|BillyStills||Riverside, CA 92507||PattyMelt||Set up a simple 1 for 1 trade. He had trades listed & it was my first time. I offered to ship first & said he could send after mine landed since I was a noob. Communicated back & forth great, but he dropped off after I sent him tracking info. Mine landed fine, sent numerous messages asking if he got it ok, he read every message but did not reply. Finally asked him if I'd been duped, to which he finally responded that he'd get mine out. Been about four months and he has not sent, and communication has completely dropped off.||7/13/2013||*more personal info available upon request*|
|BitterPachyderm||Crawfordsville, IN||mjd83goblue, monsterfat, TasteTester, dmeadows, PerzentRizen, ajsdad06, ShrLSU, 6DaysBottomOcean, Gyle41386, Desaparecido, mikesgroove||he was first to recieve in birthday bif (09-10), he made off with 11 boxes of beer and didn't send any out|
|Bitzy||New Jersey||mnbrewery||Sent him my end of the beer trade 4 months ago and haven't received anything until an email 2/8/11, saying he can't send me my beer. He has a blog: http://craftbrewadvocate.com/ and Twitter: @bitzybrew||2/9/2011|
|bobdole7777||Canada, YK||CheapBeerBuzz||This took place on RateBeer. |
Logan Hall (aka bobdole7777is not to be trusted. He has ripped off 10's of people by collecting a trade and failing to ship his half back. He uses a FedEx shipping center in northern North Dakota and picks it up when he is down in the US. Promises to ship back at the same time but never does. I was lucky enough to send him payment to pay for the return shipment of my bottles (just the traded bottles as he kept the 4-5 nice extras I sent him). My trade was large (me: BVDL, DDG, Cascade sours, etc for his: Blabaer, 4 x Fou Founes, BA Peche Mortel, Armand and Tommy Blend, etc). It ended up costing me $55 shipping to him and $45 shipping to get my bottles back. That, plus the $35 in extras and I am out over $140 on this "trade". He is not yet on TalkBeer, but we should all be wary of him popping up anywhere. He also referenced another Canadian as one of his limited trading partners, tbadiuk. That user was quick to change his feedback on RB and quick to go back on his positive remarks. BEWARE...
Just on ratebeer alone, he seems to have fucked over enough people to be outed so here's the profile link.
Neche, ND, USA
|bonk0076||Milwaukee, WI||BubbaBrewgans||never sent his side of deal||9/23/2010|
|breity||Salt Lake City, UT||Onenote81||still no package after waiting 4+months|
|BrewmasterJD||Beverly Hills,CA 90210||wingwalker3||I agreed to a large trade with member: BrewmasterJD,|
and I have not heard from him since early February, when I shipped a very full box to him, filled with all of the things he specifically requested, from my end of the trade (I even made a special trip up to Hill Farmstead, from here in Massachusetts, as well as to breweries in Boston, solely for him, and for the trade we agreed upon). I have made countless efforts to contact him via BM, phone calls and texts (at the number he freely gave me, and invited me to contact him on), with no response from him, at all.
I have been able to see that he has had the time to log in and leisurely peruse the Talk Beer website, so my fears that something terrible may have happened to him have been allayed. But of course, new fears and concerns immediately arose.
The tracking number confirms that my box was delivered to him in Beverly Hills, CA. But again,
I have received nothing from him--no message whatsoever,
no beer that he agreed and promised to trade, and send, etc.
I do not know how to proceed, but I did want to start the ball rolling by contacting you, and informing you of the situation.
Of course, I would like this situation to be remedied,
but failing that, at least some steps taken to stop him from cheating someone else out of hundreds of dollars worth of beer/shipping and also countless hours of effort and energy.
|BZero007||Wilmington, SC||YaKnowBrady||Same Reasons as mmmhopslam and SuperNova777, this is text excerpted from brees6221's submissions of them. BZero never sent: I ran the Super Bowl XLV Squares LIF. Hugo H (mmmhopslam) was not one of the winners and failed to ship to his target, YaKnowBrady. I have tried to contact him multiple times by email, private conversation and by posting on his profile page with no response. He owes a minimum of 44oz.||11/27/2012||I've contacted the bad trader, he read my message and ignored it. He hasn't loged on since.|
|calcio360jrd||Palm Beach Gardens, FL||jschonert||Still owes a big box. Got his, never logged back on. I sent him messages and gave him more than enough time to reply. Avoid trading with him.||5/22/2012|
|CEnterPound||Chula Vista, CA 91910||cbeer88||Same guy as Swuntly, Same exact birthdate, down to the day|
- Same exact location (confirmed same physical address)
- centerpound began his forum activity on 5/26. Swuntly ceased logging into BA on 5/26.
|charliehhelms||Durham, North Carolina||davedahl, radshoesbro||Sure it was 1.5 years ago, but it still burns me.|
|Chiefbrutus||Stout6||He has not sent his side of the trade to Stout6; one of the beers he didn't even have. However, he has made good on ColdPoncho's box||7/28/2011|
|claypoolfloyd||Fargo, ND 58103||stevefinny||he never shipped his box (2x Darkness)|
Doesn't answer the phone, texts, or BMs
|claytong||Warren, VT||nlabruyere||The user Claytong, from Vermont, was suuposed to send me a box including a few HF bottles as well as a couple cans of HT. Having never had HT or anything from HF, I was excited. I sent him a box with a couple bottles of box of chocolate and two or three bottles of peach berliner weiss from Perennial. Anyway, he ended up getting his box just fine and he said that UPS sent him something back but he didnt know what to do. So I added a post for advice on what to do next and that's how I came to you. I let things go for awhile because I didn't notice Claytong being active on the site, but I saw him pop up on a post and looks like he's quite active again. I just don't want anyone else to go through that. I love this site and have completed probably 50 or so trades without a hitch, except for this one. Sorry for the long-winded explanation, just wanted to get all the details out there.||3/15/2013||*more personal info available upon request* (CA) claytong had originally tried to send something that was confiscated but stopped there... http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/bad-trader-update.44561/#post-563310||This is thread before deletion. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwkghoJtdHKHV3pSc0ZWcmJxMGc/edit?usp=sharing|
|Cloeren13||Bryan, Texas 77802||carps4,Tarheel4985||I sent cloeren13 $85 worth of beer almost 2 months ago. In addition, I paid for 1 day shipping when he asked if he could get the beer in 2 days for his brothers party. From his side, he did originally send the beer but it broke durning shipping. Instead of communicating and letting me know what is going on and what his plan is.*************************While being outed, Cloeren13 posted an iso and without noticing the thread, Tarheel4985 answered and prepared a trade. Communication was good and Tarheel4985 being a new trader knew that he would have to ship first so he did. As soon as he gave out the tracking number, Cloeren13 was unreachable once again. Tarheel4985 noticed the bad trader thread and intercepted his package before it landed.||9/1/2012||Cloeren13's brother, (dcloeren) ended up fixing the problem with carps4. Still doesn't excuse Cloeren13's actions making him a bad trader.****** The address might not be the right one but was the last shipping info given out by him. From sidenotes, it might be his girlfriend's.|
|crazymacharris99||15101||brandoman63||He was part of the secret bunny BIF but chose not to ship. We know he received his box since he posted that he did, but we never heard from him again.||4/30/2012|
|CrazyMoFo||Blakeslee, PA||VncentLIFE||I set up a trade with CrazyMoFo before Thanksgiving. All was well, both packages were out. He received his, mine was lost in transit. I told him about it, and when he finally contacted me on 2 weeks later, he said the holidays were busy and he would get around to it. Its been a month since he said he would replace the lost box. He hasnt logged on since the last message, and has not responded to any messages.||1/14/2012|
|dakid618||Alton, Illinois||thehand||This is kind of old now, but figured I would add it to the list.Owes me a box from MLB Runs LIF 2009. Repeatedly promised to send, never did. Has a note in his profile saying he is owes me a box for the MLB Runs LIF, and a box to northernbrews for NHL Playoffs LIF 2009. Has not logged in for three months as of 2/17/11.||2/17/2011|
|dcsoke||Illinois||gikiniji||His box got flag at the border and he did nothing to retrieve it and he doesn't want to ship back even if he got the box I sent him. So he cost me over 100$ and I didn't receive any compensation in return||3/11/2013||(DC) - His account is no longer open. Not sure if he got deleted or if he asked to be. http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/bad-trade-with-dcsoke.74747/||*more personal info available upon request*|
|degraves (aka Dwarner82)||Worcester, MA 01605||suprchunk, bobertkuekn||Sent a box of glasses to trade for 4 Spencer trappist glasses. Sent my end, and Dan said that his beer shop in Worcester was slow in getting the Spencer glasses. I told him no hurry. This was back in January. A couple months of asking him when they were coming in and he disappears from ratebeer. Tried calling his number more than a few times with no answer. He has resurfaced on reddit and has started up trying to trade as of a month ago. Hasn't returned to ratebeer or talkbeer though.|
I had 1 good trade with Dan in January. Dan messaged back about a week after the first trade finished up (in early February) saying he'd found 2013 George T Stagg and William Larue Weller bourbons, which he assumed I'd be after. We agreed to a trade where I gave up 12 beers for those 2 bourbons. After I sent my end, I never heard from him again.
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/iamplesiosaurus
Instagram - http://instagram.com/dewarner82
reddit - http://www.reddit.com/user/degraves
BA Profile - http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/members/dewarner82.492616/
RB Profile 1 - http://www.ratebeer.com/user/275031/
RB Profile 2 - http://www.ratebeer.com/View-User-214978.htm
|Dewarner82 (aka degraves)||Worcester, MA 01605||cfh64, yojimbo1||I set up a trade with dewarner82 about a month ago. I was going out of town so I shipped first so he could steal my beer ASAP. I sent an Upland Raspberry, Blackberry, Cascade Sang Royal, Cascade Sang Noir for a Fantome Extra Sour, Cantillon St Lamvinus and 4 FBS. I also xtra'd him a JK Boxers Revenge and some other sour that slips my mind, possibly La Folie. He received my box, told me thanks and that he would send out his box the next day. That was Sept 20th. He last logged on Sept 29th but I haven't heard anything since the 20th. Through a little research I found his phone number (it's actually his parents phone number which matches the address I sent the box to) and have called 4-5 times. The first time I believe his mom picked up and said he wasn't home. I asked her to tell him to call me and he should have my phone number through BA (since I provided it to him through BM). Since then no one has picked up the phone and I have left messages.*************************(yojimbo1)I traded with him shortly after cfh64 did. I sent him two packages. The first one had a broken growler so I sent him a third package. Never heard back from him.||10/9/2012|
|dontcostnuthin||46637 South Bend, IN||mizzouguy||Traded with him back in May. Got confirmation that my box landed on May 4th with promise that his was on the way the next day. A week goes by and nothing. BM him and he responds that he got busy but it would go out the next day. Nothing, multiple BM's and ultimatums with nothing. Logged offline for a month at one point. Back on recently but still no answer from him.||6/30/2011|
|DrMattyB||Albuquerque, New Mexico||jaidenjb||DrMattyB received my box to him on May 6 and he promised to ship his box in return on May 9. After two weeks of no word, I sent him a BM asking for a tracking number. Since then, I have requested tracking info or a response of ANY KIND several times. It's now almost two months, I don't have my beer and DrMattyB won't answer any mail.||7/6/2011|
|Dstructo||Ft. Lauderdale, FL||christoj0818, isitsavage||"He sent me an email confirming that he recieved my package, and that the beers were great and that he liked the homebrew, and that he would be shipping my return asap.|
I havent heard from him since. I had a fellow BA that I have traded with that was also at Dstructo's sour beer fest get in touch with him, and his response was that he would be shipping soon.
I have emailed Dstructo here, on the other site, and on Facebook with no response. I shipped the package to his work address and have held back getting in touch with him there.It's been almost 3 months now and I've lost all but the last few BM's but Dstructo and I agreed to a trade in mid October. I would send him 2 375's of Tilquin Gueuze in exchange for one 750 of Marron Acidifie, like his trade with christoj0818, he was also using the Tilquins for his sour tasting on Halloween weekend. We agreed to no extras. "
|Duffmanrob||CA||jsilva||Never sent my bif package for support your team. [Duffmanrob is inactive]||11/17/2010|
|Duffmanrob||Riverside, California||scottyshades||duffmanrob (robert lizarraga) dropped all communication after Scott sent his side. 2+ months||9/29/2010|
|Estep13||Burbank CA 91505||lopejuice, BrewmasterJD, dridge||BrewmasterJD|
Traded with him about a month ago. Was nice enough to go to his house and even bring him a bunch of alpine growlers, a societe growler,feral ones and others extras in exchange for HF Bottles. I would text him every couple of days and he would give me excuse after excuse and then would say the next day or so that he got a bunch FFF stuff and Cantillon and that he would give me those as well because he took so long. I have yet to see the HF bottles he promised or the other "extras". I have texted him as of last week still no response. He will just bs and bs you and then not even contact you again. DO NOT TRADE WITH ESTEP13. He is a liar and not worthy to be a part of this community.
I was ISO some CR Wake N Bake and White Chocolate MooHoo and had a thread out there. She contacted me via PM and said she had 3 of each. If my notes here are correct, I sent a box of 4x BCBCS, 3x RRBC Sours (don't recall which ones), and some fresh Blind Pig. I even made a special trip to the brewery to get the RRBC stuff.
I shipped out on time, my first box from her came a week or two later and it was just 2x CR WnB and 1x WC MH. When she sent it, she said she accidentally broke the other bottles while packing it up and did I want something different or did I want her to track down replacements. I said something different was fine. Think she threw out some ideas, we agreed on some, and then it was another month + of me sending messages that got ignored while she was clearly online, reading the, and browsing other parts of the forum. Then after posts in Trading Help, assistance from the mods and community, she finally shipped the final box. I think it took a grand total of nearly 2 months to get this all done...and keep in mind I'm in NoCal, she's in SoCal, so no weather delays or anything like that.
Up until this point I have had nothing short of awesome experiences trading with people all over. Unfortunately here is the situation I am currently in.
- On 4/14 Estephanie hit me up about some HF bottles I was offering, we worked out a deal on 4/16 and I sent my box out to her on 4/17. I sent the box right away because she had good feedback and one of the bottles was a growler which I wanted to get there asap.
- The box was delivered on 4/23. After a week of sending her messages asking if it made it and whether or not she had sent mine yet she finally responded on 4/29 saying that she was busy and the box would be on it's way soon. (reading multiple bms the entire time but not replying)
- As you can assume the box did not arrive on Saturday, or any other day this week, and the line about dropping it off at FedEx was obviously not true.
- I texted her a few more times asking for a tracking #... no response.
- I sent her a bm on Monday explaining that if she didn't communicate with me at some point this week I would post a bad trader thread on Friday. no response.
- It is now 1 month since I sent my box and it looks like I'm SOL.
|4/1/2014||*more personal info available upon request*|
|ExplosivoSR||Chula Vista, California||pitasoup||Owes box for post-asb-mlb-runs bif '11. Real name is Scott Roberts. I've sent him 4x emails, 4x BMs, 1x text, 1x phone call, zero responses in 10+weeks. I've his contact info if anyone needs it - not that it seems to help. @Cops_n_Roberts is possible twitter account, which seems active.||12/1/2011|
|Frddymck||Montpelier, VT 05602||Bradystraps, gwdavis, BREWSnTATTOOS||Agreed on trade on Jan 25th. I sent my beer out on the 26th and he received on the 29th. He said he was shipping mine the next day and would send me the tracking. He never did. I checked in with him a few times and received all sorts of excuses and promises. A week went by, no beer. Said he was shipping again and was adding another 4 pack for my trouble on Feb 4th. never recievd the tracking number again. He didn't reply to my texts and I started a thread here on Feb 9th (I believe) asking other forum members for input and help. Once he swa the thread he texted me with more excuses and assured me he would be shipping my beer right away. He then attacked me via text for posting the thread and his demeanor was extremely unprofessional. He was essentially making me out to be the bad guy. On Monday the 11th he assured me that my beer had been shipped and he would send me the tracking number that night. He never did and that was the last I heard from him. He has not responded to a couple of texts I sent simply asking about the tracking number and he changed his profile here so I cannot send a message on the site.***********************(story2)I messaged him on here asking if he had fresh head to trade. He said yes, and that he was interested in a trade for some saisons that I could get my hands on in Georgia. My package of his beer arrived in Vermont on Friday, February 1st, and just before that he stopped communicating with me. I emailed him a few times to make sure my stuff made it, and to see when he would ship. No answers. Finally I called his cell phone number that he provided me with twice. No answer. He called me back and told me that he was stuck in Cleveland in a snowstorm. He stated that he was a truck driver, and that he hadn't made it back to Vermont yet to see the beer I sent him. He also told me that he would be throwing in some HT glasses that he snagged from the brewery on his last visit. That call was on Feb. 1, and that's the last I have heard from him in any way. His phone number has been disconnected, and his home number that was listed in the phonebook has also been changed.||2/13/2013||*more personal info available upon request*|
|fyrecrakker05||West Chester, PA||rayjay, sincereNc, nflmvp||aka: alldeybrewin|
|ggwheeler||West Hollywood CA 90046||Damian74Shensky, marine1975, Clonies720, goOSU||BIF was pretty simple, pick the winner of the Superbowl straight up. If you lost you sent to your target $40 worth of beer and 1 swag item. Boxes were due to be received no later than Monday, February 28th as was stated during BIF sign-up. He picked the 49er's and lost. My last contact with him was on February 21st and he stated he would be shipping out the following day. The due date has come and gone and his target has still not received his box. ggwheeler is not responding to my beermails, or calls and texts to his cell phone number which is a valid number.*******Story3*****ggwheeler contacted me with an offer after I posted an ISO:FT thread. We quickly came to an agreement to both ship on Monday 3/4/2013. I shipped my box. He did not. Up until then he maintained decent communication. He missed the ship date. Said he was busy at work and had to visit the bottle shop to get a beer that was part of what he owed me. Then he received my box that Thursday, and stated he was going to start packing up the box for me by re-using the materials that were in the original box I sent him. That's the last I heard from him. He's been unresponsive to several texts and BM's from me, and even other BA's who offered to reach out to him on my behalf. ***********story4**************participated in Super Bowl Squares 2.0 and failed to ship out to his target. I've tried over a dozen time through BA to contact him as well as email (Ggwheeler@gmail.com) and have not received a reply.||3/1/2013||*more personal info available upon request*|
|giants24||San Francisco, CA||Milleyvfloyd||Matt (giants24) and I had agreed upon a Super Bowl bet. If the 49ers won, I would be sending him a bottle of Fantome Extra Sour; If the Ravens won, he would be sending me a bottle of 2012 Cable Car. After the game, Matt and I agreed that we should wait a few weeks before sending the Cable Car out due to extreme weather in the northeast. We continued to exchange emails and messages over the next week weeks and once the weather had warmed up, I asked him to go ahead and send the bottle. After a few weeks of no responses, I told Matt that I would be submitting him to the bad trader list and he immediately responded apologizing for the delay and promising to send the bottle out when he returned from a business trip the following Monday, May 6th. The following week came and no tracking information was provided nor did he respond to an additional email. I gave him one last chance to at least respond to my email and he has yet to do so. So here it is, welcome to the bad trader list Matt.||5/28/2013||*more personal info available upon request*|
|GotHood||New Jersey||mrmiles||GotHood received, but never sent anything back due to a "personal emergency"|
|gregc||Westchester County, New York||softcough, koopa||Being Resolved: Box was damaged during shipment. Its being replaced. ***********************************(2nd story)***************************He was supposed to hook me up with 2 bottles of Cuvee de Castleton Batch 4 and they were released on August 5th, 2010 I believe. I had many beermail exchanges with him over the next few months and even saw him again at Captain Lawrence say 5-6 months later and he approached me and apologized. He then assured me he would send me the bottles once again, took my address down again, and failed to come through once again. He stopped responding to beermails at that point.||10/20/2010|
|guzzle211||PA||flexabull||Was supposed to send in the March Madness BIF by the end of April. It's now the end of June, no boxes, no communication.||6/23/2011|
|hmph||Charlottesville VA, 22911||gkatsoris|
hmph, was involved in the 2012 NFL Best/Worst BIF.
hmph had the Bengals. All of the losing teams were required to send (a minimum of) one container EACH to McNuts and brooklynbrews. (McNuts had the team that won the Superbowl, and brooklynbrews had the team with the worst record in the league.)
I set the deadline for March 1st, the day after the superbowl (Feb 6th). I then extended the deadline to March 14th due to very cold weather in the midwest and northeast. On March 14th I contacted both, along with a few other late senders, and all assured me they would be sending soon. Everyone sent, except hmph
On March 24th I contacted him, and explained I would be contacting you to submit his name to the 'bad traders list' if he did not send; or at least stay in communication with me. I set March 31st as the final deadline at this point.
I fully understand things come up and priorities shift......but it's been said a million times, "all I asked for was a little communication". And it was only a total of 2 bottles each being sent.
|4/1/2013||*more personal info available upon request*|
|homebrewer88||Hopewell, VA 23860||rrryanc||On July 3, 2013, homebrewer88 posted an ISO: White Chocolate, FT: Hardywood. Seemed like a good trade to me, so I BM'd him, and after some back and forth we agreed to a trade on July 7th. His box was sent out on July 8th, and I sent him a tracking number at that time.|
I didn't hear anything from him, so I sent him a text message on July 18th, asking if he had received my box, and if he had a tracking number for me. He wrote back quickly, saying that he had put together a box and his wife was supposed to ship it because he was traveling.
A week later (July 26th), I sent him another text message, and he was still traveling. He said he was going to be getting back that evening and would make sure to send it out the next day.
On 8/6 and 8/8 I sent him text messages with no response. On 8/12, I threatened the bad traders list and I got a response from him on BA and via a different cell number saying that he had been in the hospital from a car accident and would be shipping out soon. I told him that I was sorry to hear that, and there was no particular hurry.
I texted him again on 8/20, asking for an update, and received a text back on 8/24 saying that he was putting the rest of my box together (some extra beers for the delay) and it'd go out ASAP. I haven't heard from him since, despite texts to both numbers and beer mails.
He hasn't been on BA since 8/12, so it's not like he's an active user trying to swindle folks that I can tell. And the trade was just for White Chocolate, which I wasn't a huge fan of anyway. So I'm not outraged, just kinda disappointed. I just want some beer for the cost + extra + shipping at this point.
|HoodieNinja||LaGrange Park, IL, 60526||WassailWilly||Had been conversing back and forth prior to Nugget Nectar release.Sent 10 bottles in lieu of Zombie Dust and some other beer . I shipped week of 2/11 . We had a few more convos after . Now silence and NO beers.||3/24/2013||*more personal info available upon request*|
|Hoppedup616||Mansfield, OH 44907||Flabbyjandro, Sil1||(Flabbyjandro)We had great communication, shipped mine on Saturday sept 22 and he received them on the 24th. As soon as I sent tracking I didn't hear from him for days. The concern was he was reading every message, but not replying. At this point I did some snooping and found pictures of him drinking my BCS and someone else's KBS the day my package was delivered!!! On top of that,he mentions he is moving!! So now i have a guy drinking my beer who moved and im sitting here with rage and no way to contact this guy other than BA. *****************************************(sil1)I started setting up a trade with this guy around sep 5, |
Ended up finalizing a deal on sep 19. We were both to ship the next morning, I sent him tracking number as agreed and he sent me an excuse that he wasnt able to because of his kid. That he would ship the next morning. He received my pack later that week and I have not heard from him since.
|10/10/2012||Last I heard Hoppedup616 was moving.|
|HURTemHIZZY||Arlington, VA 22207||twiggamortis420||Real Name: Hank Allingham. BIF jumper for 2 seperate BIFs: Seasons Greetings 2010 and NooB BIF 2010. He recieved in both and never shipped. Ignores all communication.||2/14/2011|
|ijaap||Woodinville, WA 98072||CooperEllis||Owes a BIF box of 150 oz to theTomG for the 2013/14 EPL Fantasy BIF for which I was commish.|
Did not send (he did receive - the league is an 'everyone ships' league). He posted himself on Instagram drinking Tom's beer. When beermail, he ignored. When emailed, he ignored. When texted and told I was posting Bad Trader thread, he replied and claimed unemployment. Told him I would ship a second box to cover the difference between what he could afford and what he owed and he could ship me a box later (or LIF the box). He never shipped anything. Posted bad trader thread 10/3/2014 - after two full months without a box sent. In the last two weeks of September he posted himself drinking multiple bottles including Sang Noir and other bottles in the 'pricier' range. The sum total of bottles he posted to Instagram in just those two weeks would have covered his BIF obligation.
|Jackskeleton||Los Angeles, CA||jmarsh123||Was my Bruery trustee for first half of 2012. Changed trustees after spotty communication and packages, but he has owed me 12 beers for over 6 months. Has not responded to any communication since November 2012.||1/17/2013||*more personal info available upon request*|
|Jakekohut||California||Biglobo8971||was to pay a $50 dollar box in a Fantasy Football league after begging to be the last one let in. Over 3bm's, 3 website emails and 1 personal email was not answered.||3/8/2012|
|Jeremy2002||wagenvolks, OneDropSoup, ppoitras||screwed people in at least 3 different BIF's||9/6/2010|
|jkblodge||Virginia||flexabull||Was supposed to send in the March Madness BIF by the end of April. It's now the end of June, no boxes, no communication.||6/23/2011|
|jojomdma||WI||Nerd, Kappldav123||6 trades all over 1 month without sending his side.|
|JoshVandy||Goshen, Indiana||baconsausage, MiloHoP, j47paco, danwho||Send a box, no resopnse, contacted on the forums, said box would be shipped. Avoids communication, still no box. Puts up pics of the beer he has received and drank. (STORY 2 )He answered a post for a trade of Oude Tart for locals. I sent him 2 bottles and some extras, which he received about 4/10. ||8/11/2011 and 5/2/2012||JoshVandy is also Bearded_infamy on Beer advocate and BA and has fucked people over under the new name as well.|
|kaips1||Lexington, KY 40505||NiceFly||kaips1 entered a homebrew clone exchange with Naugled, telejunkie, starkebeer and myself. We were to send our clone and the commercial example to each member of the group Oct 2012. Never sent his end as of Feb 2013 and does not communicate. Does not look like he logs into BA much anymore. (more info here ) https://docs.google.com/document/d/17fNoiXCtxxni28yZUCZSuz0t_opR_R-mGVwluJyFlOY/edit?usp=sharing||2/7/2013||(DS) - Blog http://grim-drinks.tumblr.com/|
|KemperGalloway||Isle of Palms, SC 29451||Dbrulet||Simple trade, 1:1 saison brett for mexican cake. He never shipped his end.||7/18/2013||*more personal info available upon request*||(KG)|
|knarf231||Cherry Hill, NJ||vanilla101||Sent package of New Glarus Raspberry Tart and Belgian Red in April. Was told numerous times my package was on the way, but nothing every showed. Kept asking user, but eventually all communication stopped.||7/11/2011|
|lanamj||Charlotte, NC||alpineclimber||Setup trade with lanamj on April 25th and sent my end out April 28th. Poor communication on lanamj's end. I gave lanamj many chances and to respond to communication and even set a few dates when he would ship. Now it's three months later and lanamj is ignoring my BM's and profile posts.||7/31/2012|
|laxsoccerguy||Vermont||baycat||Both agreed to ship on mutual date, trader did not provide tracking #, package never showed and all BM messages were responded to with excuses.|
|lindenrathan||Baltimore||OldStyleCubFan||We setup a trade for a bunch of beer magazines (about 75 total) for $50 of locals. He said he could ship after the weekend so we would ship the same day. He got my magazines, acknowledged he got them with a beermail and said he would send soon. He was supposed to send a few days prior. I've heard nothing. He hasn't logged on for almost 4 weeks now. I've sent notes to his facebook account and got no response.||1/5/2011|
|lokieman||shen4495||ba name is lokieman and he's on TalkBeer under same name.|
It was $97 worth of beer to me for winning Duff27's Fantasy baseball league. Plus another 22oz for a head to head shutout! So $97 of beer + another 22oz.
|Matty_Monster||Commerce, CA||ygolordned||the whole occurrence is detailed here: |
so summarize, i sent him $160 worth of mead from kuhnhenn and b nektar. i mailed his package may 28, 2013. he stalled on sending me my package for weeks. i called him out in the above thread. since then, i have neither received a package from him nor even received another response from him. thanks for the help
|7/5/2013||*more personal info available upon request*|
|maximep||New york, 10013||kraddel||i sent him some loons ( inclusing zwanze) for some DFH . |
it arived with a too-high-noted value ( costed me money) and a leaked bottle. he was ok to repay both, but was 'buisy' . Than did not log in for months, thn ignored me some more, than told me he wasn't going to pay me 'since he did not break the bottle' . i gave him 4 months time to keep his promise, but he did'nt
|mdavis31481||Maine||drabmuh||This dude waited to receive my box, told me that mine was going out the next day, 5 months and dozens of unanswered beermails later, still no box. It was an easy trade but this fake liar isn't responsible enough to hold up his end of our verbal agreement. Loser.||10/17/2011|
|mhl060||Tallahassee, FL 32304||doopiedoopiedoo||Matt approached me out of the blue to trade with him. I was interested in his offer and he has a solid track record. I've send him a box. He let me now that it arrived and said he would send out the my box the next day. He never did. Contacted him again and he said my box had gone out. No tracking number provided. After trying to contact him for about a month I have no hope that this will work out.||6/16/2011|
|Microbrewtaster||Terre Haute, IN||cosmo4u||last january I won Microbrewtaster's perpetual LIF V. He asked what I was into and I said gumball head or any locals since he was in that region. fast forward to May 1st. I shot him a conversation and asked if it was still going to be honored or not, and I replied to just send me any locals so we could move on.A few weeks later I wrote him but never heard back. Another BA followed up and told me he is refusing to send a box. TRADER BEWARE. (I also contacted him before adding him and he has no intention on sending the box, excuse life happens)||5/29/2012|
|Mike Waga||Breille, New Jersey 08730||biglobo8971, fear025||(732) 528-4460 and 9083094725. His BA account (Mike3865) has been deleted. After making many excuses as to why his side was delayed, he flat out said he was not going to ship his side out. One reply via text said that he is 20 years old and is in school that he was not going to send my side and to not blow him up on BA. After asking him why I shouldnt, he goes in a curse word laden tirade to enjoy "jerking off to my beer fag friends"||4/21/2011|
|mikesgroove||Wellford, SC||thagr81us,marty30||(REPORT #1) I was recently in the Good People/No Rules BIF. It was discussed at the beginning of the BIF that Mike and I would team up on this one to ship out. This was a traditional non-shotgun style BIF so we had quite some time before we had to ship. Mike had circumstances come up in his life and I was in an auto accident which made shipping our end of our box difficult. Mike has some disagreements with our tasting group and cut all communication with any of us (whether it be by others request or on his own accord). I was able to get together with him once after being recovered enough to go to his home for a brew. We went through the contents of the box we received from the other BIF (no less than 18 bottles were received). We decided to go through and alternate picking bottles to keep for ourselves. We picked 3 each out of the ones received and decided to share the rest at future tastings. Mike gave me one extra as he had already had it before bringing my total to 4. Mike said he would hold onto the rest until I could come over and drink them. FAST FORWARD... Mike cut all communication with me and has no intention of ever seeing me again. Also he has no interest in the BIF anymore since I am involved. So I took it upon myself to ship a box out to the next target. Mike still has all of the beers (minus the 4) that we received during this BIF.///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////(REPORT #2)I put up FT for a Vanilla Brandy Barrel aged Dark Lord, Barrel aged Sexual Chocolate and a Baller stout. Mike responded and said he he wanted to get the bottles for his FRIEND thagr81us because he was in a terrible car accident. About 4 to 5 months later I found out that he never gave the beers to thagr81us. I beer mailed him several times, for him to give me my beers back,so I can give them to thagr81us. I even offered to pay for shipping,because he was going through a rough spot. All of my messages were ignored. He later was bragging on facebook about HIS barrel aged Darklord collection. He stole my beers I gave to his friend who was in a bad accident! DO NOT TRADE WITH THIS GUY!||06/05/2012 and 06/11/2012|
|mmmhopslam||IL||brees6221, CooperEllis||I ran the Super Bowl XLV Squares LIF. Hugo H (mmmhopslam) was not one of the winners and failed to ship to his target, YaKnowBrady. I have tried to contact him multiple times by email, private conversation and by posting on his profile page with no response. He owes a minimum of 44oz.||3/28/2012|
|MRAnderson||Connersville, IN||dogfishtail||One month ago, we agreed upon a trade. I was sending a 2012 Abyss along with locals, and he was sending 2 Three Floyds IPA's. He promised to send pictures and a tracking number and never did. Almost 2 weeks after saying he had shipped, he claimed the package had been damaged en route. He promised to replace the beers and ship again with a tracking number, and asked for my cell phone numer to message me when he had shipped. One week later, he has not replied or acknowledged my messages, despite actively reading the message boards||8/21/2013|
|new2brew||La Jolla, CA 92037||alamode||set up trade back in Oct...I was to send 4 twelve ounce bottles of BCBS for a bottle of Stone BA Old Guardian. I sent first. Box arrived and new2brew said they would send the following Monday. a few days went by and I had not yet received tracking info, so I BM'd them for an update. Heather stated her husband broke the bottle I was supposed to receive and that she's mail back my BCBS if I wanted or she could send me a Stone BA Double Bastard. I agreed to the BA Double Bastard. Since the East Coast was expecting bad weather, she stated they would mail my package a day or two after the storm passed. a week went by...2 weeks went by...meanwhile I saw her offering up the beer I sent them on the ISO/FT board. I BM'd them for a status update and was told my package would ship the week of Thanksgiving. new2brew has not logged on since November 25th 2012. I am owed either 4 twelve ounce BCBS (two 2010's and two 2011's) or a BA Stone Double Bastard.||2/27/2013||*more personal info available upon request*|
|OPJohn||Orange Park FL 32073||shen4495|
|Paslaugh||Chicago, IL||Sendsilk||I did a trade with Paslaugh back in May and it was a pretty big trade. Everything went perfectly. Great trade and seemed like a reliable guy. I put out a post to mule for the Cognac BA Church on a Hill from CCB. Paslaugh contacted me and and said he would like a bottle and that he had an extra bottle of Upland Sour Reserve Batch 2 to repay the favor. I sent him the Cognac BA Church on a Hill right after the release. I was not seeking out the beer that he offered but it seemed like something good to me. I sent him the money and a UPS label and never got the beer. I have BM'ed him multiple times, texted him and even called him and left messages and never heard anything back from him since the first part of July.||9/9/2012||In the end, he had sent a box and made rigth on the trade.|
|PatrickJamesMulcahy||St.Paul, MN 5514||mhksuccess||I ran a BIF marchmadness 1.0 and the agreement was for all that entered to send a box with a minimum of 44oz of high quality beer. After couple weeks tried to contact him with no results. 4 weeks or more went by and finally was able to contact him by text and he said he would send by the weekend. After 2 more weeks he was MIA and has not been able to be contacted by BA message, cell phone, email, or text. It has been over 7 weeks since the shipping window opened and he is the only one who did not send. At this point he owes a box of minimum 44oz high quality and is not living up to the agreement to send which he committed.||5/28/2013||*more personal info available upon request*|
|paxchristi||Jefferson County, MO||andrew61923||We made an agreement to make a small trade a while back and I promptly shipped my package. He received it and even gave me a shoutout on his reviews. We kept in contact and he said it would be coming back my way soon. He then went MIA for a while and blamed it on a broken computer, saying that it was hard to stay in touch on BA on his phone. Then he hit rough times with funding and proposed an idea to send smaller packages with fewer beers in an effort to make it up over time instead of immediately. Last time we talked, he said he was working on getting a bottle of something rare through Schlafly, and I haven't heard from him since. He hasn't been on for a month.||4/26/2012|
|popinbottles||Burbank, CA 91505||Gkjoker321||Shipped out 2 X Huna, CCB GOH plus a large box of other goodies for 2 X Dark Lords + locals. He received my box 6/5. After that I received several messages over the next two weeks about some unspecified family issues/sickness. Multiple times he stated he would send out his two boxes. He finally shipped first box 7/11 after I stated he would be reported. He apologized at the time. The box received was of several Cali shelf beers. Since then I have sent several messages requesting he send the 2 X dark lords or return the Huna (I don't even mind if he keeps the rest but since that was 2/3rd of my Huna allotment this year I am shit out of luck). He has logged on several times since I sent him that message on 7/31 with his most recent being 8/4 but has not read his messages. I am assuming I am out of luck at this point but any help or anyone who knows this gentlemen it would be appreciated.||8/19/2013||Twitter Handle: brian1931|
|*more personal info available upon request* was also schmoopsbeer on BA and pilot1331 on RB|
|randomdanger||Raritan, NJ 08869||olympuszymurgus||Alright so, randomdanger was part of the Sour Bif 6 hosted by olympuszymurgus and needed to ship out a box. He disappeared after receiving his box.|
Sour Bif thread
possible bad trader thread.
|3/5/2013||(WH). Link to thread.http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/possible-bad-trader-randomdanger.70890/||*more personal info available upon request*|
|revolt914||Lawrenceburg, IN||jfh||mailed my half of a trade in Nov. He sent me messages with excuses. Its been over 2 months, he's a flake. Don't even deal with him.||2/22/2011|
|rogueleonardi||OH, Vandalia 45377||SFACRKnight||rogueleonardi never shipped the box that was agreed on. Was given a lot of time by the reporting BA and then a lot more time from me to give him a chance. Just ignors messages now.- This was not the first time he was reported but that first time I was able to convince him to ship his end and everything worked out for both parties.||5/16/2012|
|romanw70||Rhode Island||mlaroche||I agreed to trade him my 1 NOTB ticket for $40 and a KTG that he'd ship to me. He never shipped it to me, even after multiple beermails and seeing him in person.||4/28/2012|
|RyanC84||Charleston, SC||domtronzero||Long story short, he received my box 3 months ago and I never got mine. He ignores phonecalls and has been very deceitful. He's a liar and a thief in my opinion.||6/19/2011|
|scandiumman||Springfield/PA||gabrielm||Matt and I finalized a trade (on a Saturday) for 12x FBS from him, 2x Santa Fe Wild Ale #7 and a handful of local beers from me. I sent out the next Monday morning (which is when we both agreed) but never got a tracking # or message from him. He received my box four days later, then sent a BM the following Sunday apologizing for the delay and promising the box would be out the next morning. I haven't heard back since.||9/30/2011|
|schmoopsbeer||Burbank, CA||cpinto6||Very long story shortened. schmoopsbeer owes cpinto6 a lot of beer, as per the thread. He also ignored mails and texts...(more info here) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xa_TcnY5jkWf5gpTkNVYpvY14BGvD0TV2rR81rDRGP4/edit||11/5/2012||Twitter/Untappd = Brian1931 / blogspot - http://www.therefinedtaste.blogspot.ca/|
|scwalsh||santa clara, CA||tchaos||He received an on-time box as part of n00b BIF#4 from soonami; however, he did not deliver his box to rmalinowski4. BeerMails and phone calls from multiple BAs (including his sponsor -- KKottonmouthKngz -- and the BIF organizer, UrbanCaver) went unanswered and unreturned. Sponsor and other BAs covered the missing box for rmalinowski4.||6/20/2011|
|SGToliver||Roy, WA 98580||EvilAsh||A trade was agreed upon by both partes. Evil's beer goes out May 2nd 2013 and makes it safely to SGToliver. He then starts up with excuses as to why the beer wasn't shipped until he just stopped responding.||6/25/2013||*more personal info available upon request*||(BO)|
|sincereNc||Greensboro, NC||Odiedog52||Nearly two years ago, I sent him a box containing (among other things) Russian River Deviation, under the premise that I was just helping him out and he would reimburse me for the contents and postage, which was around $150 total. This was in December 2009. October 2011, I've still yet to be reimbursed.|
He's hit some hard times that people we mutually know have vouched for, but our deal has still yet to have been made right, even though he is still BA's that we squared up, which isn't the case.
|10/18/2011||UPDATE**This guy, Ian Martin is still trading through different websites including facebook where he fucked over beertrading.org user ncaudle. He moved to SC so beware.||*more personal info available upon request*|
|sind310||Los Angeles, CA 90002||match1112||Cindy had signed up for a Shelf Turd Olympics BIF that minnesotaryan started signups for back in April. Life got busy for Ryan so I volunteered to take over and run it since there were a bunch of people signed up and looking forward to it.|
All boxes were to be shipped by the end of May. Cindy posted her haul on June 2nd with an apology to her target that life had been too busy, but she was on her way out to go shopping for them.
That was the last communication from Cindy. After a week past the deadline I started sending beer mails, emails, and left a voice mail. Still nothing from her. So now at two weeks past the shipping deadline with no communication minnesotaryan and myself feel that it's time to add her to the list. In all communications with her, I added that if I didn't have a tracking # by end of day on June 16th that I would contact you and have her added to the list.
|*more personal info available upon request*|
|Slaterson360||Wilmington, SC, 28405||coreymcafee||He owes me a box. I sent him some beers in early May of 2012 because he really wanted some Uncle Jacob's for a tasting and he didn't have anything I was excited about. I told him I'd send him the beers and we would agree on something later. Messaged him a bunch on both BA and reddit and even sent him a letter via snail mail. No response||12/11/2012||(SS) He is also on the reddit ban list under the same name.|
|SpottedZombie||Deerfield, IL 60015||Alefish, Cardern||Trade was set up for 6 Dark Lords (by him). There was no mention of the trade being contingent upon him actually getting these bottles at Dark Lord day. We exchanged addresses and something told me to wait to see what he said after Dark Lord day since I knew it was the Saturday before we agreed to ship. He doesn't send me any correspondence after DL day. I contact him and he says that he cannot make this trade because he didn't get to buy what he thought he could. I say that he needs to honor this trade and at least trade for one bottle and that I could have shipped my whole box to him-what would he have done. He proceeds to call me all types of profane names and tells me that he is not shipping anything. Calls me butthurt. Posts our conversation on BA on;y to be chastised by people that have traded with me and those that saw through his crap. SpottedZombie is a total deadbeat who does not understand the value of keeping his word, let alone apologizing for making an error in judgement. If you trade with him, bear in mind that he might not have the beer he promises! ********************story 2******************Sent him Abraxas, Sucaba, and Heart of Gold, was supposed to receive a bottle of DL (any year), a bottle or two of ZD and a FFF bomber in return. He stayed in sporadic contact but failed to send anything back in 4 months.||6/4/2012 and 8/18/2012|
|spree92||New Brunswick, Canada||cfh64||Robert Dunfield; We both shipped our boxes at approximately the same time. He received mine but UPS lost his. UPS issued a cliam to spree92 for $100, which I said I would accept instead of a replacement box. I have tried contacting spree92 through BM's and he ignored them. Now he hasn't logged on in about 3 weeks. I tried contacting him through his regular e-mail and calling him, still no response.||7/5/2011|
|steadydose||tburkhart||owes a box from MLB RUNS BIF|
|stevencon||Tallahassee, Florida||mikul93||Agreed on a trade approximately 2 months ago. Sent my end of the deal with extras to stevencon but have yet to receive any package in return. He eventually responded on 9/27 with excuses of broken computer and lost password. Said it was fine if package was shipped. No package has shown up. I have sent 2 emails since then with no response. He has been active on the site.||10/26/2011|
|stowehop||stowe, vermont||PapaEugene||We sent Dan a box of beer (about 10 bottles) from Holland. There were several whales in there. We waited one and half year to get ours in return. We waited this long since we heard that he had personal issues.||9/21/2011|
|SuperNova777||Indiana||brees6221||I ran the Super Bowl XLV Squares LIF and SuperNova777 (Josh D.) was not one of the winners. He was supposed to ship at least 44oz. to winner YaKnowBrady but has not shipped and has not responded to private conversations, emails, texts or phone calls in the past month and a half.||3/29/2012||From JoeyBeerBelly ************You should remove SuperNova777 from the bad trader list as I vouched for him in the 2012 Super Bowl XLV Squares LIF and sent a box-o-beer to YaKnowBrady to cover for his not sending out a box. Josh made it up to me after he got back on his feet again. Josh and I have traded in the past and while he is not very active on BA these days he is by no means a "bad trader" or a bad guy...|
|Swuntly||Chula Vista, CA 91910||cbeer88, weaksauce||BA user Swuntly was in my NOOB BIF back in May. I received a message from his friend (under Swuntly's account) right before the shipping deadline in late May, saying that Swuntly was in a car accident. (legs/ribs, non life threatening) After a couple of back and forth messages, his friend guaranteed he'd have a box out shortly to cover for Swuntly. He never responded back with contact info, and that was the last I've heard from him. Swuntly never logged in again, and was unresponsive to emails/phone calls. The box never arrived. Two weeks ago I sent his target a box so as not to give somebody a bad first BIF experience, so at this point Swuntly owes me a box which is 5 weeks overdue. 6 weeks laid up in a hospital without being able to respond to an email or phone call is a little far-fetched, but I've been willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until now.||7/4/2012|
|TheDankOne||Amarillo, TX 79109||i630||Failed to send his half of trade. Not responsive to messages and isn't logging on to BA||9/6/2010|
|Thickfreakness||Ballston Spa, NY||vitese||He contacted me about an ISO/FT post on 4/25. We settled on me sending him 2 white chocolate for 2 4 packs of Gandhi Bot, 1 Maine Beer Co. Mo and Sixpoint Resin and/or Flower power to hit $4$ at $50.|
Exchanged addresses on 5/1 and 5/2. I shipped my end on 5/6. He BM'd me on 5/14 saying he got my box and that one of the extras that he was going to include had the bottom blow out of the bottle, but said that he would ship his end that weekend. BM'd him on 5/30 for an update. No response. He last posted on the site on 6/2 and I can't tell if he has been on since.
Posted photos of my box to him in the "hauls" thread. And also started a thread about the extra he was going to send (Founders Doom) and how the bottom blew out of the bottle.
Has not responded to regular emails from me either.
|6/28/2013||(BE)||*more personal info available upon request*|
|TIMMYJ21||Brooklyn Park, MN 55444||Kwaz, matttttYCE||TIMMYJ21 and I set up a trade where I was sending a higher dollar value in beer than he was and he was going to PayPal me the difference ($33). We both sent our boxes and everything was received fine, but he never sent me the PayPal.|
Two months and a number of messages later, he fed me varying excuses from "I will send it next week" to a sketchy story about his PayPal account getting hacked. I requested him to send cash or check. He has since stopped responding to my messages but his status shows that he signs into BA nearly every day.
|3/26/2013||(TJ) Cash isn't usually part of beer trades and probably shouldn't be. That being said, both parties agreed to the cash and the amount and Timmy did not follow through. Getting fucked by 30$ whether it's cash or a beer is that same difference. User is still very active (posts everyday) but has chosen to ignore all of my messages and replies to his posts.||TIMMYJ21 actually came through after being added to the list. (may 3rd 2013)|
|TimWesty7||Shakopee MN 55379||jradams76||What I offered: Regular Dark Lord 2013 along with some local Indiana beers: 4 pack of Sun King Osiris, and a bomber of Arctic Panzer|
What he was offering: Darkness 2012 along with some local Surly beers
I shipped first on May 6th.
Package arrived May 10th - I sent an email to make sure everything arrived safely
May 13th - I get an email back saying sorry for the delay I had a death in the family and I will get it shipped and make it up to you.
I wrote back saying no worries family comes before beer and whenever he has time.
May 18th - I send a message asking if he was able to ship
May 26th - I send a message asking if he was able to ship
June 12th - I send a message asking if he was able to ship
|6/12/2013||*more personal info available upon request*|
|Vanstaal55||Charleston, SC||masterhomebrewer||Trade set up in early January; IST for 2 Turtle Doves. Vanstaal55 (Chris B.) received the package January 14. A couple of weeks passed, but after I called and left a phone message for him, he logged on to BA and sent me an apologetic message. Last I heard from him was Feb. 2, when he sent another BM in which he wrote: "hey yes im back hope will ship out tomorow ill get on and give you the tracking number as soon as i do. sorry for the delay." No word, no package since.||2/16/2011|
|yoniwolf||Bowling Green, OH||Mscarpen,johnhenryconway,|| |
Yoniwolf offered Two DLD tickets for CBS, KBS, and some extras. The dude had some good trades on Reddit and wanted me to ship before he did. I tracked the beer, he received it and claimed to have mailed the tickets out via US mail (no tracking). A week later I began seeing people on BA and Reddit reporting his trades as missing. I Beer Mailed him and called him with no response. I was able to reach him via text where he acted surprised about me not receiving the tickets. He said he would "ask the mailman" what happened. That bought him two days.
After I followed up, he offered to send me back a CBS which was only a partial solution, but I was able to agree to it. After finding him on Untapp'd I saw that he listed almost every beer I sent him as being drank the same day. I approached him on this and he said he had just bought one on ebay and had to pay for it when he got paid. That day came and went and three days later he said he had paid for it and it shipped. No tracking numbers exist of course. Along the way, I mentioned the other BAs that were waiting for their beers and he said he was working to make those right.
I haven't heard anything from the community speaking to that effort. My experience is that this trader is not trustworthy and is simply a conartist. After blaming it on the mailman, he never once followed up to see if I got the tickets, which seems to imply and understanding that I would never receive the tickets.
For those of you looking to connect with your former trading buddy, Patrick Holt is very well connected to technology. A few simple searches will yield public information about his accounts including his Untapped Handle (http://untappd.com/user/yoniwolf), his Twitter Handle (@HattrickPolt), his Instagram Handle (anticonstar), and his Handle on Rate Beer (http://www.ratebeer.com/user/164739/).
Also ripped off a bunch of people on reddit before getting banned.
|4/27/2012||reddit username = diabeticstr|
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