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2 | 397 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/397 | Q397 Starting in your own key | :* As long as you are still touching the alliance wall, may you start angled in your own key? | The only requirement of !G01-E, is that the ROBOT must be " in contact with its ALLIANCE WALL diamond plate" | |||||||||||||||||||||
3 | 396 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/396 | Q396 Angled Bumpers | :* R23 states "Bumpers do not need to be parallel to the floor." Does that mean the bumpers can be angled along the side of the frame perimeter so that the front of the bumper is facing an upward angle and extending into the frame perimeter? Assuming the bumpers follow all construction rules, remain inside the bumper zone and are connected as specified in R23. | No, BUMPERS must be mounted with the plywood backing nominally vertical to meet the requirements of !R31. The quote you referenced allows for the BUMPER to be angled relative to the floor in the left-to-right dimension when looking at any given face of the FRAME PERIMETER (e.g. the left side of the BUMPER could have the top at 7 in. and the right side could have the top at 6 in.). | |||||||||||||||||||||
4 | 394 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/394 | Q394 Bumpers for less than six-inch side on frame perimeter | :* If a robot has a less than six-inch side extending from the corner of a frame perimeter, would bumpers need to cover just the entirety of the less than six-inch side or should this side be elongated to reach six inches? | As per !R22, "If a FRAME PERIMETER side is shorter than 6 in. (~16 cm), that entire side must be protected by BUMPER (see Figure 8‑2)." Note that this specifically refers to a "FRAME PERIMETER side", if the FRAME PERIMETER (described in !R01) side is longer than 6", even if the "frame" is shorter than 6", the full 6" must be protected and the BUMPER must be appropriately backed per !R31. See Figure 8-1 for examples. | |||||||||||||||||||||
5 | 391 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/391 | Q391 Can you transfer fuel between robots? | :* I've seen many questions regarding G28 or controlling fuel outside of your frame. However, I haven't seen anyone ask if unloading into another robot is allowed. Would the brief period that fuel is being transferred be a rule violation? Also, if robots transfer fuel while in the neutral zone, would that be a violation of G23? Please clarify. | Please remember that we cannot comment absolutely on hypothetical scenarios. The ultimate decision would be determined by the REFEREES at your event, with the final call made by the Head REFEREE. However, if a REFEREE believes that !G23 is being violated, it will be enforced. | |||||||||||||||||||||
6 | 389 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/389 | Q389 Does current to an aesthetic device count the same as current to an operational device? | :* Does a raspberry pi controlling lights count as an active device? When it talks about current in the manual, does a current to an aesthetic device count the same as a current to an operational device? | We're not completely sure which rule or rule(s) you're referring to, but it's assumed you're referring to !R49. A Raspberry Pi controlling lights on your ROBOT is, indeed, classified as a CUSTOM CIRCUIT per !R49 and is governed by all ROBOT rules that apply. | |||||||||||||||||||||
7 | 388 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/388 | Q388 Bagging a second ROBOT | :* If a team were to bag a second, legal robot in addition to their first robot, could that team then give that robot to an alliance partner at competition, provided that the robot is inspected and identified in accordance to the alliance partner? | No, this would not meet the requirements of !I01 which requires the ROBOT to be "built by the _FIRST_® Robotics Competition Team". It may also be a violation of !C04 which prohibits a Team from entering more than one (1) ROBOT into the event. | |||||||||||||||||||||
8 | 387 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/387 | Q387 Rules for detachment of robot from rope | :* I was wondering if there is a time limit to how long we have of taking our robot down after it has hung? If there is, how long? And is there any rule about sewing a layer of Velcro over a layer of ratchet strap that is over another layer of Velcro as a rope? Velcro- Ratchet Strap -Velcro. | In the future, please submit only one question at a time unless the questions are directly related. Regarding your ROPE question, please use the Search Q&A button to review the previously asked ROPE material questions and resubmit a question specific to a particular rule if you need additional clarification. We will not rule on particular ROPE or ROBOT designs. Regarding your time limit question, there is no prescribed amount of time that a DRIVE TEAM has to remove their ROPE/ROBOT after the MATCH. However, DRIVE TEAMS should be prepared to remove their ROPE/ROBOT promptly to allow for FIELD reset per !G02 | |||||||||||||||||||||
9 | 384 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/384 | Q384 Does GEAR placement on an out-of-order GEAR SETs matter? | :* There is some confusion around the word "installed" w.r.t. individual GEARs in section 3.4.2. "ROTORS only start if GEARS are installed in ROTOR order". Does it matter if higher-order GEAR SETs have GEARs installed before low-order ROTORs are installed / activated? E.g., if ROTOR 2's GEAR SET has no GEARs placed on it, and a PILOT places a GEAR on the GEAR SET attached to ROTOR 3, then places all required GEARs on the GEAR SET for ROTOR 2, will ROTOR 2 still activate after turning 3 times? | Please see [Team Update 07](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate07.pdf). The placement of GEARS within a GEAR set, or across GEAR sets, is inconsequential. Remember, however, that once a ROTOR has started, any GEARS used to start it cannot be removed per !H10. | |||||||||||||||||||||
10 | 382 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/382 | Q382 Is rope with multiple I04.D techniques legal? | :* From I04.D: "A ROPE must... D. consist entirely of flexible, non-metallic fibers sewn, twisted, tied, woven, knitted, crocheted, intertwined, or braided together" A tight interpretation of "or" allows only one of the above options. A less strict interpretation could allow any or all of the options. A strict interpretation would disallow all of the above techniques with typical COTS woven, non-adhesive, sew-on hook-and-loop strips, as the strip itself was woven by the manufacturer. | It is not the intent of the manual to use an exclusive-OR relationship with any use of the word "OR," unless specifically noted. | |||||||||||||||||||||
11 | 380 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/380 | Q380 Section 3.9 - Touchpad | :* In the latest update section 3.9, it is stated, "...less than 75 pounds of pressure..." General usage (albeit incorrect) of pounds of pressure would indicate pounds per square inch of pressure. Since pressure is force times unit area, I believe that you meant to write force, not pressure. | Good catch. The manual has been updated per [Team Update 07](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate07.pdf). | |||||||||||||||||||||
12 | 385 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/385 | Q385 are we allowed to push fuel | :* are we allowed to push or bulldoze the fuel across the field to the boiler or are we required to pick it up and hold it what is the consequences if we are not allowed to push it | There are no rules specifically prohibiting bulldozing or pushing FUEL. | |||||||||||||||||||||
13 | 386 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/386 | Q386 Starting postion | :* We know that we have to be up against the wall but do we have to be flushed? Could we be at an angle? | The only requirement of !G01-E, is that the ROBOT must be " in contact with its ALLIANCE WALL diamond plate" | |||||||||||||||||||||
14 | 379 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/379 | Q379 Bumper Edge Rabbeting | :* The bumper side view in the annual shows the angle aluminum surface mounted to the plywood. Since the bumpers are part of the robot volume, can the bumper plywood edges be rabbeted (inset) so the aluminum angle surface will be flush to the surface of the plywood that mounts to the robot frame? | No, "rabbetting" is not an exception permitted in !R29, part A. | |||||||||||||||||||||
15 | 368 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/368 | Q368 Alliance Wall to Baseline and other Measurements | :* I was wondering what the official distance was from the alliance wall to the baseline I seem to see conflicting information. The rule book says 9' 4" but the drawings I printed says it is 2x 93.3. and the same goes for the distance to the launchline. Also I am wondering how big one of the sides of the base of the airship is. From what we are gathering it is just under 40 inches is that correct? Thanks | The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of FIRST STEAMWORKS. Any measurements or materials information can be derived from the Field Drawings available at: http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system The most recent version of the manual matches the drawings. | |||||||||||||||||||||
16 | 360 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/360 | Q360 May a robot include fabricated items from another team's tagged bag? | :* R21 specifically allows teams to use fabricated items from another team's withholding allowance, but not from their robot bag (or bags). R15 through R20 do not appear to explicitly forbid use of fabricated items from another team's bag, but the use of "their robot" and "your robot" throughout these rules imply that the parts in a team's bag may only be used on their robot. May a robot include fabricated items from another team's tagged bag? | Yes, a ROBOT element that was bagged "by 04:59 UTC on Stop Build Day, Wednesday, February 22, 2017" meets the requirements of !R15 regardless of which Team's bag it was in. | |||||||||||||||||||||
17 | 356 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/356 | Q356 What Does "Breaking" and "Crossing" the baseline mean? The more specific the better pls. | :* According to pages: #13 -Section 2 Overview. Table 2-1 Auto Point Values V1., #41 -Section 4 MATCH Play 4.1 Periods V2, and #44 -Section 4 MATCH Play Table 4-1 FIRST STEAMWORKS Rewards V2 What does the robot have to do in Auto to get the points? Does the robot have to "cross the baseline" completely or does part of the bumper just have to "break the baseline"? | There are several ways to earn points during AUTO, per Table 4-1. For the "AUTO mobility" points specifically, a ROBOT'S BUMPERS must break the vertical plane defined by the BASE LINE before the end of AUTO. | |||||||||||||||||||||
18 | 255 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/255 | Q255 LIFT specifications (spring source and shaft collar) | :* In testing the McMaster spring order called out in the field components (9664K68) to one from century with identical specifications (http://www.centuryspring.com/extension-springs-e-41.html) substantial differences were found in deflection and springiness. Will all field spring be solely sourced from McMaster? Additionally, the field tour video shows a collar, while field components drawing does not. | All FIELD springs have been sourced from McMaster-Carr, however Practice Field springs and springs used as spares for official fields may be an alternate part (and if so, we'll update the manual and publish in a Team Update when that information is available). Regarding the collar, the [Field Tour Video](https://youtu.be/ZeOevMTC_rw) is correct, and has been added as of [Team Update 06](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate06.pdf). Thank you for noticing that! | |||||||||||||||||||||
19 | 378 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/378 | Q378 Cost Accounting - R10(B) KOP clarification - "Yellow Tote" items obtained by other means | :* Does R10(B) exclusion apply to "Yellow Tote" items even if we didn't get them from a "Yellow Tote" ? We used some parts from previous years and bought some parts directly from AndyMark later. Are they exempt or listed at full retail value? | Any item that meets the definition of KOP, even if your team did not acquire it that way (with the exception of PDV items which require your team to have acquired them in a specific manner to qualify as KOP) may be omitted from the CAW, or listed with a $0 cost per !R10-B. | |||||||||||||||||||||
20 | 377 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/377 | Q377 Does the bumper have to be the same length as the frame b4 the frame returns into the robo | :* Figure 8-1 top image shows an opening of the robot. The top right frame is >=6 so the bumper is >= 6". If the frame was 9" but the bumper still satisfied the >=6 would this still be legal? This image looks to have a 1/2" of frame before "not a Bumper". This edge is somewhere between the not ok second image and the >=6" in the same image. If you envision the top image top two bumpers, between these bumpers 2" past the end of the >= 6" bumper the frame 90deg returned into the bot 4" with a 10" gap | The "ROBOT frame" has no impact on compliance with !R22 except to the extent that it defines the FRAME PERIMETER. The presence, or absence, of "ROBOT frame" in sections of the FRAME PERIMETER which do not have to be covered with BUMPER to comply with !R22 do not change legality. | |||||||||||||||||||||
21 | 366 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/366 | Q366 Taking the robot down after a match | :* Once the match is over and the robots are hanging on the ropes, 1. Will we be penalized if our robot unwinds itself because it has been turned off after the match is over? 2. Can we lift the robot to unhook the rope that our team will provide and take our robot off the field with the rope still attached? Thanks!! | There is no penalty for a ROBOT that descends once DISABLED at the end of the MATCH (although the "Ready for Takeoff" bonus may not be granted if requirements outlined in *Section 3.9 TOUCHPAD* aren't met). Please see !Q300 for the second part of your inquiry. | |||||||||||||||||||||
22 | 362 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/362 | Q362 Multiple launchers | :* Any restrictions with multiple launchers on a single robot to project fuel? | We cannot rule absolutely on hypothetical ROBOT designs, and the final decision as to legality of a particular ROBOT lies with the Lead ROBOT Inspector (LRI) at each event. However, there are no rules prohibiting multiple devices capable of "launching" FUEL on a single ROBOT, provided all other ROBOT rules are satisfied. | |||||||||||||||||||||
23 | 357 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/357 | Q357 Climbing and the bumper zone | :* When it come to the climbing rules, when it says "Example 1: A ROBOT that is at an angle while navigating a ROPE has its BUMPERS outside the BUMPER ZONE. If this ROBOT were virtually transposed onto a flat floor, and its BUMPERS are in the BUMPER ZONE, it meets the requirements of R23." Is the transposition in reference to the field floor, or the bottom of the robot? Thanks. | The transposition described in the example is virtually "undoing" any rotation and displacement caused by climbing the ROPE, but **not** undoing any changes to the ROBOT itself. This means that a ROBOT that does not change shape at all while climbing, but rotates so the BUMPERS are perpendicular to the floor does not violate !R23 because the BUMPERS would be in the BUMPER ZONE if this ROBOT were place back on the flat floor. If, instead, a ROBOT starts pushing a mechanism down against the floor, lifting itself up onto the ROPE, but also taking the BUMPERS outside the BUMPER ZONE this would violate !R23 as the BUMPERS are now outside the BUMPER ZONE even when the ROBOT is place on a flat floor. | |||||||||||||||||||||
24 | 365 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/365 | Q365 Actuators limitations | :* Under 8.6 R32. Rule states "Electrical solenoid actuators, no greater than 1 in. (nominal) stroke and rate electrical input not greater than 10 watts (W) continuous duty at 12 volts (VDC). We currently an AndyMark 3515 but its stroke is 50mm...illegal?? or Legal?? If Illegal, where can we get one that is Legal?? | We will not rule definitively on individual ROBOT parts. We will note that the referenced part is sold as a "linear servo" and is not an electric solenoid actuator. | |||||||||||||||||||||
25 | 369 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/369 | Q369 Is a servo a servo a servo? | :* To me this is simple, but there seems to be some difficulty on Chief Delphi, so here are the questions: Traditionally, servos are rotational devices which provide rotation-angle internal closed-loop control but do not provide feedback for "external" control. Are devices sold as "linear servos" which provide linear motion using servo standard PWM controls but producing linear rather than rotational motion considered servos under the 2017 rules? | If it is sold by a VENDOR as a "servo", linear or otherwise, it's a servo. | |||||||||||||||||||||
26 | 370 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/370 | Q370 ROBOTs adhering to GAME PIECES? | :* Provided this adhesive does not leave any marks, residue, or otherwise damage on GAME PIECES, is there any restriction on adhesive ROBOT components' interactions with game pieces? | There are no rules that explicitly prohibit using adhesives to interact with GAME PIECES. | |||||||||||||||||||||
27 | 376 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/376 | Q376 Non-metallic, non-fibrous debris in/on rope | :* During our climb practice, we noticed that small (< 1mm) non-metallic but non fibrous pieces of the robot tore off the robot upon removal of the rope from the robot, and the debris became embedded in the rope. This debris does not provide an advantage to subsequent climbing. We are planning to use a team-supplied rope. Would the presence of such debris render the rope unusable in match play until it is completely removed? | We cannot rule absolutely on hypothetical ROPE situations, and the final decision as to legality of a particular ROPE lies with the Lead ROBOT Inspector (LRI) at each event. When in doubt, however, Teams should ask for the ROPE to be re-inspected. | |||||||||||||||||||||
28 | 373 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/373 | Q373 Does the Andymark assembly pn am-2971 comply with r32 for motor useage? | :* Does the Andymark assembly pn am-2971 comply with r32 for motor useage? The am-2971 states that the motor is a banebot RS775 series but nothing more specific as identified in R32? | The legal motors are listed in Table 8-1. If you're not sure of a VENDOR'S part number, we recommend you contact the VENDOR directly to clear up any ambiguity. | |||||||||||||||||||||
29 | 374 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/374 | Q374 Did Team Update 05 change the comment in the answer to Q142? | :* The second paragraph of the answer to Q142 reads "Please note that placing any knot used to form loops, as described above, below the DAVIT fingers would violate I04-F.". However, Team Update modified I04-F such by appending "with a Retaining Feature (RF) that does not extend more than 2 in. (~5 cm) below the DAVIT fingers." Provided that the knot was within 2 inches of the DAVIT fingers, does this update modify that second paragraph? If not, why not? | Good catch! Please see !Q142 as updated per [Team Update 05](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdates-combined.pdf). | |||||||||||||||||||||
30 | 375 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/375 | Q375 Can a robot drop its gear deliberately into the opponents loading station? | :* Can we use our extra gears to drop into the opponents loading zone? I don't believe we would not be violating G08 Don’t tear others down to lift yourself up - "NOT DESTRUCTIVE, NOT ON ROBOT" G27 One-GEAR limit.{Blue box not control ."A" "bulldozing "} - "They would not be penalized so we are not either" G24 Don’t throw GEARS This one may put the stop to it BUT WOULD IT? G21 GAME PIECES: use as directed... but "Return LOADING STATIONS" are not listed? | Just like in the answer to !Q166, please note that deliberately placing GAME PIECES in front of any FIELD elements (for example, but not limited to, the opponent's Return LOADING STATION) could result in a violation of !G21. | |||||||||||||||||||||
31 | 372 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/372 | Q372 Weighing bumpers during inspection | :* Assuming R25 compliance, may the robot be weighed WITH the bumpers on during inspection? In other words: If the entire robot+bumper assembly weighs less than 120lbs, can it be asserted that the robot would weigh less than 120lbs without the bumpers? | No. The ROBOT and BUMPERS will be weighed separately to assess compliance with !R05 and !R28. | |||||||||||||||||||||
32 | 367 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/367 | Q367 Perimeter protrusions | :* Under Sec. R02, will small extremely flexible plastic members, such as wire tie tails up to maybe three inches long, be considered "minor protrusions"? | We cannot rule absolutely on hypothetical ROBOT designs, and the final decision as to legality of a particular ROBOT lies with the Lead ROBOT Inspector (LRI) at each event. A protrusion that is 3 in. long is very unlikely to be considered minor. | |||||||||||||||||||||
33 | 364 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/364 | Q364 Winch Motor Legal? | :* Under rule 8.6(Motors and Actuators), would a motor on a purchased winch be considered to be a "Select Automotive Motor" and therefore a legal motor? | No, a winch motor is not a "Window, Door, Windshield wiper, Seat, Throttle" as listed in !R32, and thus not permitted. | |||||||||||||||||||||
34 | 363 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/363 | Q363 Breaking the Baseline at the Middle Lift Station | :* Is it possible to break the baseline at the middle lift station. For example, if a robot were to drive from the alliance station wall directly to the wall of the middle airship lift, would that robot earn the mobility points for breaking the baseline in auto? | Yes, it is possible to break the BASELINE at the middle LIFT position. However, the ultimate decision would be determined by the REFEREES at your event, with the final call made by the Head REFEREE. | |||||||||||||||||||||
35 | 349 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/349 | Q349 Robot size specifications | :* What is the exact process the officials go through to determine if the volume of a robot meets specifications? | The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of _FIRST_ STEAMWORKS, not discuss the processes or procedures that will be used at events. If you have a specific concern or comment, please direct it to Team Support at [firstroboticscompetition@firstinspires.org](mailto:firstroboticscompetition@firstinspires.org). | |||||||||||||||||||||
36 | 306 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/306 | Q306 What level of fraying constitutes damage under [G15], and when would it be called? | :* In our hook-and-loop winch drum tests many of our ropes fray, and how much seems to depend on many factors. The fraying in some tests happens a few fibers each time. In other tests, the fraying is more obvious. Is any level of fraying considered normal wear and tear? To a referee what approximately separates damage from wear and tear with respect to fraying while interacting with any robot component (hook-and-loop or not). At what point in the match would [G15] be called for fraying? | We cannot comment absolutely on hypothetical scenarios. The ultimate decision would be determined by the REFEREES at your event, with the final call made by the Head REFEREE. There is no *FIRST* Robotics Competition specific definition of wear-and-tear, if the REFEREE(S) determine the damage is the direct result of a ROBOT action or MECHANISM it is possible that !G15 would be called. Teams should design carefully to ensure they do not cause any damage when attempting to climb a FIELD ROPE. If you're not referring to a FIELD ROPE, please see !G15, as updated in [Team Update 06](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate06.pdf). | |||||||||||||||||||||
37 | 361 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/361 | Q361 Preloaded Game Pieces | :* If we start the autonomous round with fuel and/or gear, do we need to do something with them? If so, must they be used in AUTO or can they be used in TELEOP? | There are no rules specifically restricting the usage of preloaded GAME PIECES once they have been legally loaded onto a ROBOT per Section 4.2. Once the MATCH has started these GAME PIECES are treated just like any other GAME PIECE. | |||||||||||||||||||||
38 | 359 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/359 | Q359 Robot volume inspection? | :* Section 9 (inspection & eligibility) does not give any indication on how robots will be inspected for compliance with R03? Will it be a tape measure, do tolerances exist? If it will be an inspection box, can/will FIRST release the box specifications? If a box is used, what will be the criteria of passing inspection. e.g. 1. Robot not touching the box at all. 2. Robot only fits the box with extreme compression of bumpers. This is information teams need to know to ensure they pass inspection. | A ROBOT that requires "extreme compression of the BUMPERS" to comply with !R03 does not comply with !R03. ROBOTS must fit within the volume specified in !R03; teams should not be counting on any particular procedure or tolerance to make sure they fit within that volume. | |||||||||||||||||||||
39 | 353 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/353 | Q353 Using Hinges on Bumpers | :* As said in R29:F, you are allowed to use aluminum brackets to fasten bumpers together at a 90-degree angle. Would it be acceptable to use a metal hinge for the same purpose, given that both bumpers will be fastened to the frame 90 degrees from each other? | No, hinges are not aluminum sheet or angle and thus do not meet !R29-F. | |||||||||||||||||||||
40 | 325 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/325 | Q325 Game Pieces Transfer from Loading Zone to Alliance Station | :* Ref section 4.6, "GAME PIECES that roll, slide, or otherwise transfer from a LOADING LANE to an ALLIANCE STATION (or vice versa) are considered “owned” by the ALLIANCE in the space now occupied by the GAME PIECE. " What constitutes a GAME PIECE to "occupy" the Alliance Station. Must the GAME PIECE complicatedly be in the volume of the Alliance Station, or is "breaking the plane" (i.e. football touchdown) satisfy the "occupy" standard? | A GAME PIECE is considered available to an ALLIANCE if any part of the GAME PIECE is breaking the plane of the ALLIANCE STATION volume. However, per !H07, DRIVE TEAM Members may only contact the portion of the GAME PIECE that is inside their zone. | |||||||||||||||||||||
41 | 338 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/338 | Q338 Touchpad force leeway? | :* This question is similar to #219. My team would like to know if there is an additional leeway to the 1-3 lb force to trip the touchpad. For example, if we are 1-2 pounds over (or several) when we stop climbing the rope will this damage any of the field components? | We believe !Q219 answers your question. If it does not, please rephrase your question and resubmit. Please use the Search Q&A button on the navigation bar before posing a new question. | |||||||||||||||||||||
42 | 301 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/301 | Q301 Knitted fibers for Rope? | :* I04-D permits non-metallic fibers that are "woven". Are "knitted" fibers permitted? While similar to "woven", there is a technical difference. | Yes, "knitted" fibers are permitted. Please see [Team Update 06](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate06.pdf). | |||||||||||||||||||||
43 | 299 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/299 | Q299 Damage to Team Provided rope. | :* With regard to R06 - R09 and Arena Damage -- If there is picking and fraying caused by Velcro hooks on the climbing spool to the teams rope, but no other field element is damaged is this a violation of R06 - R09? We understand our rope might be subject to re-inspection and might have to be replaced with a fresh rope. GDC says "Why did we let them bring their own rope" :) -- Thanks for all you do!! | We actually don't feel like we need to govern what happens to Team supplied ROPES. Please see [Team Update 06](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate06.pdf). | |||||||||||||||||||||
44 | 219 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/219 | Q219 What is the maximum force a robot can apply to the touchpad when climbing? | :* As per section 3.9 in the manual. Teams may wish to consider a reasonable “safety factor” for TOUCHPAD activation and assume that no more than 3 lbs. (~1.4 kg) of vertical force is required. Does this mean the maximum force that can be applied is 3lbs when lifting a 120lbs robot? If not what is the maximum force that can be applied before damage will occur to the touchpad? | Please see [Team Update 06](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate06.pdf). | |||||||||||||||||||||
45 | 323 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/323 | Q323 District teams 6 hours bag unlock for back to back districts | :* For teams who have back to back districts (Districts 2 starts the day after District 1 ends), will a combined 12 hour window of our of the bag and tag be allowed? | Per !R19, District teams may only use the ROBOT Access Period for a total of six (6) hours during the 7-day period preceding any 2-day event in which their Team will be competing with their ROBOT. Since your events are back-to-back, the 7-day period preceding each would overlap, and if you wish you may use both six (6) hour access periods during that overlap, for a total of twelve (12) hours. | |||||||||||||||||||||
46 | 352 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/352 | Q352 Picking up fuel in auto. | :* Provided that a robot never has more than ten fuel at any moment, can a robot A. pick up fuel in auto and B. score said fuel in the boiler. Also if a robot can pick up fuel in auto, may it pick up more than ten at one time and score them? | !G01-F applies only at the start of the MATCH. Once the MATCH has started, there is no restriction on the number of FUEL a ROBOT may possess. Therefore, A) yes and B) yes. | |||||||||||||||||||||
47 | 351 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/351 | Q351 Entry on Cost Accounting Worksheet | :* On the sheet is it enough to put Chassis Kit 2 - Axle Bolt (orange) for the description and KOP for the Source or do we need to itemize each item that is in that Kit? | Per the Blue Box below !R10, "If the item is a KOP item, it does not need to be on the CAW." | |||||||||||||||||||||
48 | 350 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/350 | Q350 robot extend over bumper | :* the robot hopper is being designed to extend over the bumpers, but not past the bumpers. Is this allowed if we stay within the parameters of the assigned volume space. | We cannot rule absolutely on hypothetical ROBOT designs, and the final decision as to legality of a particular ROBOT lies with the Lead ROBOT Inspector (LRI) at each event. Please consider !R02. | |||||||||||||||||||||
49 | 348 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/348 | Q348 About the use of a pixie camera | :* We are new to this competition and we were wondering if we could use a pixy camera as a part of our hardware since we believe it could be useful for our design our options are Pan/Tilt Kit for Pixy CMUcam5 Image Sensor or Pixy CMUcam5 Image Sensor Thanks for your time. | There are no rules that govern what kind of camera that may be added to a ROBOT. However, pay special attention to !R36 with respect to any Pan/Tilt mechanism. | |||||||||||||||||||||
50 | 347 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/347 | Q347 Clarify: Sewing velcro to outside of Rope | :* Team Update 3 (Jan 17) permitted non-metallic fibers to be sewn together with the rope. Can answers prior to Jan 17 (such as Q6, Q21, Q45) be considered "revised" or "superseded" regarding sewing a non-metallic fiber form of Velcro to the outside of the rope for non-whipping purposes and outside of the 4" whipping zone? | We have reviewed the answers to !Q6, !Q21, and !Q45 and have found no conflicts with the current rules (including the changes made in [Team Update 03](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate03.pdf)). | |||||||||||||||||||||
51 | 346 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/346 | Q346 Can I use this? | :* Are we allowed to use Velcro as a material for our climbing rope? | We believe a combination !Q45, !Q21, and !Q6 answer your question. If it does not, please rephrase your question and resubmit. Please use the Search Q&A button on the navigation bar before posing a new question. | |||||||||||||||||||||
52 | 343 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/343 | Q343 Bumpers are NOT part of Perimeter of ROBOT defined in G04 and R03 | :* There seems to be continued confusion about bumpers in the two variants of ROBOT volume (frame and effectors ONLY). It seems clear to our team that only the robot frame and extending robot components must remain within the chosen variant perimeter at ALL times, but bumpers are not in this equation (otherwise the B Variant could not use the stock chassis in the KOP without modification). Is it true that bumpers are NOT part of the perimeter dimensions defined in G04 and R03? Thanks. :) | Bumpers are included in the maximum volume, we believe !Q77 makes this clear. If it does not, please rephrase your question and resubmit. Please use the Search Q&A button on the navigation bar before posing a new question. | |||||||||||||||||||||
53 | 336 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/336 | Q336 Knots Coming Undone | :* To clarify Q293/Q152 and Q138, can a knot intentionally come undone provided that the rope always meets the length and other requirements? | Yes, please see !Q152. | |||||||||||||||||||||
54 | 341 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/341 | Q341 Multiple Knots in the Rope | :* If we were to have multiple knots in the rope, is there a minimum required distance between each knot (besides the 29 in. between the retaining feature knot and the knot right below that)? | There are no specific restrictions on knots below the 29 in. requirement; however, note that the ROPE must remain flexible as configured to comply with !I04-I. | |||||||||||||||||||||
55 | 291 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/291 | Q291 Bumper Thickness | :* Bumpers thickness the rules read that they need to be 3/4 inch plywood and 2.5 inch pool noodles meaning the bumpers should be 3.25 inch. However the rules then go onto say "Noodle compression as a result of smoothing BUMPER fabric is not considered deformed. Any compression beyond that , e.g. for the purposes of flattening the noodle, is deformation and a violation of R29-". Since this is very arbitrary on the thickness could we please get a ruling on minimum thickness of bumpers | No, no specific minimum will be provided beyond the rules you have already cited. | |||||||||||||||||||||
56 | 345 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/345 | Q345 Is there a graphic/logo available for the Gear game piece? | :* Is there a graphic/logo file available for the Gear game piece? The image incorporated in the Manual is an angled side view image. Our team would like a front view only, vector image. | The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of _FIRST_ STEAMWORKS. Please send your question to Team Support. | |||||||||||||||||||||
57 | 344 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/344 | Q344 Boiler High Goal | :* What is the horizontal distance between the boiler's high goal and the alliance wall? We tried to find this distance (or any information about the boiler's position) in both the rules and the field assembly (https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Drawings/2017FieldAssembly.pdf), but without any success. It is possible that we missed this information. We would appreciate it if you could provide us an answer. | The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of _FIRST_ STEAMWORKS. Any measurements or materials information can be derived from the Field Drawings available at: [http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system](http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system) | |||||||||||||||||||||
58 | 340 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/340 | Q340 How is the length of the rope measured? | :* If there were to be slack behind the retaining feature of the rope, would it be included in the length of the rope? | Per !I04 parts B and C, the length of the ROPE will be measured "from the side of the ROPE’S retaining feature (per I04-E) that abuts the DAVIT fingers (L), to the farthest point on the ROPE from this feature." Note that per !I04-H the ROPE may not extend more than 5 in. from "the side of the ROPE’S retaining feature (per I04-E) that abuts the DAVIT fingers, to the closest end on the ROPE from this feature (S)." | |||||||||||||||||||||
59 | 339 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/339 | Q339 Horizontal distance from the rope to the veritcal wall of the airship | :* What is the horizontal distance from the rope to the vertical wall of the airship? | The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of _FIRST_ STEAMWORKS. Any measurements or materials information can be derived from the Field Drawings available at: [http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system](http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system) | |||||||||||||||||||||
60 | 337 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/337 | Q337 End of Match and Robot | :* Once the match ends, the power to the robots is cut off. Are we allowed to take off the rope if the rope belongs to the team and carry the robot away with the rope still attached? | We believe !Q14 answers your question. If it does not, please rephrase your question and resubmit. **Please use the Search Q&A button on the navigation bar before posing a new question.** | |||||||||||||||||||||
61 | 335 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/335 | Q335 Gears and Fuel during Match Setup | :* In section 4.2 of the game manual, it says that teams may elect to: A. pre-load one gear in or on their robot AND B. pre-load up to ten fuel in or on their robot. this has stirred some discussion amongst member of my team because we have watched the kickoff video multiple times and the video shows robots with only one of the two choices. Please clarify this section so we know if we are able to load both into our robot without recieving any penalties. | The Manual is the governing body, thus a Team may load both types of GAME PIECES in their ROBOT per *Section 4.2 MATCH Setup*. The game animation is intended to describe game play through information and examples, and not intended to be an authority on the rules. | |||||||||||||||||||||
62 | 334 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/334 | Q334 Error message when running sample program | :* Hi, we are running the benchtop test program for our robot using Java running on Eclipse. When we run the sample program, we get the error message: "Caught exception: scp: /usr/local/frc/lib/User_Libraries.properties: No such file or directory" We have followed every direction leading up to this point, so cannot figure out why this error appears when we run this code with the RoboRIO attached. Please advise. Thank you. | The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of _FIRST_ STEAMWORKS. For technical assistance, please visit the [FIRST Forums](http://forums.usfirst.org/forumdisplay.php?23-FIRST-Robotics-Competition). | |||||||||||||||||||||
63 | 333 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/333 | Q333 Robot size | :* With reference to R03 stating that the bumpers are included in the frame measurement. Does that me that the robot frame must be (referencing cube "B") six and one half inches less than the described 30 in. by 32 in. by 36 in. tall to accommodate the bumpers outsides to be inside the cube? | There is no prescribed size for the ROBOT frame, or an exact specified size for the BUMPERS. If your robot is rectangular, it is expected that your FRAME PERIMETER should be approximately 6.5 in, or more, smaller than the maximum volume in each dimension in order to allow for BUMPERS (nominally .75 in plywood + 2.5 in. pool noodle + fabric). | |||||||||||||||||||||
64 | 332 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/332 | Q332 R37: TX1+J140 integrated LiPo charger essential for manufacturer intended drone operation | :* We intend to use an Nvidia TX1 "CPU" mated to an Auvidea J140 "mother board" that in addition to TX1 voltage regulators, integrates a laptop 2S LiPo battery charger and connector - essential for intended drone applications. The LiPo is charged by the J140 from the robot battery. The J140+TX1 "ISP" will process data from 3 CSI cameras & interface to roboRIO via ethernet. No actuators connected to the ISP; ISP powered by intended battery. Is this unmodified drone ISP classified as a laptop? | Whether the resulting combination is "classified as a laptop" or not is irrelevant to legality for the 2017 FRC. Neither the TX1 nor the J140 appear to be sold with an integrated battery in any configuration that we can find. The inclusion of battery charging capability does not make a battery integral to device. The intent of the exception in !R37 is to allow teams to utilize devices, such as laptops, GoPro cameras, cell phones, etc. which contain batteries (the entire solution including battery, connection, etc) without violating !R37. The intent is not to allow teams to take devices such as Raspberry Pi's or Nvidia Jetson TX1's which are not designed or sold with batteries and attach some other COTS battery to them. | |||||||||||||||||||||
65 | 331 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/331 | Q331 Dropping a rope on a robot of the opposing alliance | :* Consider a rope of the red alliance being dropped and landing on a blue robot on its way back to its own airship during the last 30 seconds of the match. Did the red alliance pilot who dropped the rope violate C08 (Don’t expect to gain by doing others harm) by forcing the blue robot to violate G20 (Let ‘em climb: don’t touch their ROPES)? This is a distinctly different question from Q159 because that asks about dropping a rope onto ones own robot. | If a REFEREE is able to determine that the intent of dropping the ROPE was solely to cause the opposing ALLIANCE to violate a rule, then this would be a violation of !C08. If the REFEREE cannot determine this, the ALLIANCE will be given the benefit of the doubt that dropping the ROPE was part of normal gameplay and the opposing ROBOT would be assessed a FOUL per !G20. | |||||||||||||||||||||
66 | 330 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/330 | Q330 Are Ethernet switches legal? | :* My team would like to place an Ethernet switch on the robot in order to provide more ports for interfacing the RoboRIO, the wireless radio, and multiple network cameras together. Is using such a device legal? | There are no specific restrictions with regard to Ethernet switches, however, please make sure your configuration follows !R63 (in addition to all other Robot Rules). | |||||||||||||||||||||
67 | 328 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/328 | Q328 Gearbox issue | :* Can we use gearboxes with allowed motors. Specifically, can we use gearbox PG188 with AndyMark motor am2161. The combination is listed as am2924 on the AndyMark webpage. | There are no explicit restrictions regarding which gearboxes may be used with which motors on the ROBOT with the exception of the integral gearboxes for the previous KOP Window motors and Bosch motor. These two motors must use the integral gearbox. | |||||||||||||||||||||
68 | 322 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/322 | Q322 District Model Timeline? Ontario... | :* Does each event follow the same time line for the district model? If so what is each day's itinerary? Day 1 is only at 4pm? to drop off parts??? Any work or testing this day? When does Day2 start? Describe itinerary to clarify for teams with 30 lbs allowance, for planning ahead purposes & clarification. Open pits times, what can be done when? Robot out of bag to work on when? Into bag when? A team out of competition can at the event they still work on robot until closing? | Each event will post a public agenda on its [Event Information page](http://firstinspires.org/team-event-search#type=events&sort=name&programs=FRC&year=2016&from=2017-02-01&to=2017-12-16). Please see !R18, part G and !R19 for specifics regarding teams attending 2-day (i.e. District) events. | |||||||||||||||||||||
69 | 327 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/327 | Q327 Sponsor machining cost in the CAW | :* Could you clarify the intent of R12 Blue Box Example 5? If the company is listed as a sponsor and donates machine time and labor, but only some of the machinists are directly involved with mentoring the students while others are not, can we exclude the cost of the donated labor and machine time from the CAW? | Per the !R12 Blue Box, Example 5, "If the machinists are considered members of the Team, their labor costs do not apply." If you do not consider the machinists members of the team, then labor costs would need to be accounted for. The intent of this is described in the next paragraph of the Blue Box. | |||||||||||||||||||||
70 | 326 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/326 | Q326 Follow up to Question 259 | :* On Drawing GE-17026, 2 dimensions are provided. Per our calculations, in order for the airship to be perfectly hexagonal, the height must be 69.34265 in. This number was found using the Pythagorean theorem where side A is 40.035 in (length provided by CAD drawing) and C is 80.07 in (diameter of hex). If you use trig with the height (70.5 in) you get a side length of 40.703 in. Using these 2 measurements, we are not able to construct a perfectly symmetrical hexagon to build. Can you clarify? | As noted in !Q259, CAD drawings are provided by the individual software Suppliers. We will also note that the AIRSHIP is constructed from three-dimensional shapes, not lines, so we encourage teams to be careful about where measurements are referenced from. | |||||||||||||||||||||
71 | 324 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/324 | Q324 BOILER Netting Details | :* What are the specifications for the netting above the BOILER? The field component drawings for GE-17371 omit the net, and section 3.11.4 of the Game Manual only lists relative dimensions. Can you share any product details like cord size, mesh width, or material type, to help teams accurately simulate competition conditions? | As noted in the Field Tour Video ["The Boiler"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJQ4kMwOGtI), the netting around the Boiler is not intended to behave consistently. As such, there are no specific drawings published, and no guarantees of the exact "competition conditions" of a given Boiler net (though it will meet the relative dimensions mentioned in the manual). | |||||||||||||||||||||
72 | 313 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/313 | Q313 gear rotor | :* Is the gear rotor removable, or does each gear train have its own rotor? If so, and the rotor is dropped to the floor, is there a penalty?...how does the team return it to the pilot? | Sorry, but we're unable to understand your question. ROTORS are attached to the FIELD and it's not possible for them to be dropped to the floor. Please rephrase and resubmit using the Glossary terms from the Manual where applicable. | |||||||||||||||||||||
73 | 311 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/311 | Q311 Meaning of serialized inspection tag for rope | :* What exactly is the serialized inspection tag on page 45 in the manual? Is it something we will receive after our rope is inspected at an event or does it have another meaning? Thanks. | After passing Inspection, a serialized inspection tag will be attached to the ROPE near the retaining feature, such that it will not get in the way of a ROBOT interacting with the ROPE. | |||||||||||||||||||||
74 | 309 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/309 | Q309 R35 - Gearmotors with a relay | :* In Update 4, R35 was updated with the addition of Banebot motors to Electrical Loads that can operate with a motor controller but not a relay module. If a Banebot motor is used with one of the Banebot gearboxes would that fall into the second gearmotor/window motor category like an AndyMark PG (can use motor controller or relay) or is that still considered just a Banebot motor (motor controller only)? | Attaching a gearbox to a motor has no impact on it's status with regards to Table 8-2 and !R35. | |||||||||||||||||||||
75 | 296 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/296 | Q296 wrapping versus twisting velcro - clarification of Q6 | :* In your response to Q6, you state "something ... wrapped around the outside of the ROPE does not satisfy this requirement". Can you please clarify the difference between "wrapped" and "twisted ... together" which is allowed per I04? I can unwrap / untwist the strands of plain manila rope to make 2 separate smaller ropes the same way I can unwrap / untwist manila rope with an extra stand of Velcro to make 3 separate smaller ropes. | There's no *FIRST* STEAMWORKS specific definition of those two terms, so a dictionary comparison will have to do. From Merriam Webster, for "wrapped," intransitive verb #1: "to wind, coil, or twine so as to encircle or cover something." "Twisted together" isn't a dictionary term, but if you consider the term "twist," transitive verb #1: "to unite by winding ," the inherent contrast is that the former describes a superficial application while the latter is a weaving together of strands such that the applied material is embedded in the base material. | |||||||||||||||||||||
76 | 310 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/310 | Q310 Q297 Conflicting Answer | :* In Q297, the question reads, "So if we omit the can-bus connection, will we pass the inspection?", to which the answer reads, "Yes, please see R77." R77 reads, "The PDP CAN interface must be connected to the CAN-bus on the roboRIO...". I believe this answer was made in error. Can you please verify that either R77 is correct, the CAN bus must be used between the PDP and roboRIO, or the answer to Q97 is correct that it can be omitted (and that R77 would then be updated in a future Team Update). | Thank you for pointing out this conflict. The question title in !Q297 is "Do we have to connect can-bus between the PDP and the NI roboRIO?" which is what the "Yes" referred to. The answer to !Q297 will be updated to clarify. | |||||||||||||||||||||
77 | 321 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/321 | Q321 Autonomous Period - Fuel & Gears | :* Each robot starts Autonomous with 10 fuel and 1 gear: Can 1 robot transfer the 10 fuel to another robot in autonomous and that robot scores all 20 fuel pieces? If yes. Can 1 robot transfer in Autonomous their gear and one robot then places both gears on to the lift? Or even in Autonomous 1 gear moved per robot at one time? | There are no rules that prohibit one ROBOT from giving its GAME PIECES to another ROBOT once the MATCH has started. However, keep in mind that !G27 applies at all times, including AUTO. | |||||||||||||||||||||
78 | 312 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/312 | Q312 Can we put our retention pin through the loop on our rope? | :* Can we put our retention pin through the loop of our rope? Or do we have to rely on the knot to keep the rope in place? | We believe !Q158 answers your question. If it does not, please rephrase your question and resubmit. Please use the Search Q&A button on the navigation bar before posing a new question. | |||||||||||||||||||||
79 | 307 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/307 | Q307 Airship Dividers | :* What is the distance between the dividers on the airship as well the angle of the interior divider between the airship wall. | The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of _FIRST_ STEAMWORKS. Any measurements or materials information can be derived from the Field Drawings available at: [http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system](http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system) | |||||||||||||||||||||
80 | 302 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/302 | Q302 Driving over a gear while holding a gear | :* In relation to Q166 and Q54, if there is a GEAR blocking the LIFT, would our ROBOT draw a foul by driving over it, while holding another GEAR onboard, to place a GEAR on the blocked LIFT? In other words, if we were to contact a second GEAR (without intentionally moving it out of our way) while trying access the lift, would that be considered "trapping"/"herding" (a foul under G27) or "bulldozing"? | We cannot comment absolutely on hypothetical scenarios. The ultimate decision would be determined by the REFEREES at your event, with the final call made by the Head REFEREE. If a ROBOT makes "inadvertent contact with GEARS while in the path of the ROBOT moving about the FIELD" (generally including driving over) it is bulldozing. If a ROBOT is "holding a GEAR against a FIELD element" or "intentionally pushing a GEAR" it has violated !G27. | |||||||||||||||||||||
81 | 300 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/300 | Q300 Lowering robots from the ropes after the match ends | :* Are teams allowed to remove their robots from the ropes, after the match ends, by untying the ropes themselves from the davits? | Per the Blue Box attached to !R08, if a Team brings their own ROPE, yes. !R08 does not accommodate Teams removing FIELD elements, e.g. a default FIELD ROPE, from the FIELD. | |||||||||||||||||||||
82 | 278 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/278 | Q278 R31 BUMPER Gaps | :* If we cover the corner with a bumper of 6" on each leg supported by 2" one each end, do we need a frame support in the corner of 1/2" x 1/2" or can the 8" gap be 4" on one side and continue an additional 4" on the other side of the frame. | Each end of each BUMPER wood segment must be supported. Please see !R31 as updated in [Team Update 05](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate05.pdf). | |||||||||||||||||||||
83 | 305 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/305 | Q305 Bumper Corner not in contact with the Frame | :* R31 requires "a minimum of 1/2 in. at each end of the BUMPER must be backed by the FRAME PERMIETER.". However, R30 requires Corners to be filled with pool noodle material (the "Overhang"). The Overhang of the end of the Bumper is not backed by the Frame Perimeter. I believe R31 should have an exception for the Overhang. | Please see [Team Update 05](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate05.pdf) | |||||||||||||||||||||
84 | 304 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/304 | Q304 Must the Bumper touch the Corner? | :* R31: Bumper is "supported" by 1/2" of the Frame Perimeter (FYI: "PERMIETER" is misspelled in R31). A gap of 1/4" between the Bumper and the FP is allowed. Assume the Bumper covers the entire side of the Robot, the mounting hardware is 5" from each end, and no part of the Bumper is more than 1/4" away from the Frame Perimeter. Due to the mounting hardware, there is a 1/8" gap between the bumper and the FP. Can the corner of the FP not be in contact with the Bumper? | Yes, 1/8 in. is less than the 1/4 in. required per !R31-A. | |||||||||||||||||||||
85 | 298 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/298 | Q298 R 06 and Robot Rope Climbing Mechanisim | :* With regard to R06 and Robot safety -- Would it be a violation if the surface of the take-up spool is covered with very rough small sharp metal protrusions that that engage with a team supplied rope? This surface would be covered during transport, but exposed while on the field in competition. There would also be clear labeling around the area. Additionally if there is picking and fraying caused by this to the teams rope, but no other field element is this a violation of R06 - R09? | We cannot rule absolutely on hypothetical ROBOT designs, and the final decision as to legality of a particular ROBOT lies with the Lead ROBOT Inspector (LRI) at each event. !R06 makes no accommodation for shielding or labeling. | |||||||||||||||||||||
86 | 294 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/294 | Q294 360 degrees Camera | :* Could we use a 360 degrees camera? We could not find any specifications about the camera, so any other information involving cameras will be appreciated. | There are no rules which explicitly allow or restrict cameras on the ROBOT. All cameras used must meet all applicable ROBOT Rules. !H12 specifies what elements DRIVE TEAM members may have/use during the MATCH. | |||||||||||||||||||||
87 | 277 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/277 | Q277 Hook and Loop | :* In reference to all the hook and loop questions, after scouring the internet and contacting several suppliers, it appears that most if not all brands of hook and loop (Velcro, Industrial Webbing, Dura-Grip, WBC, etc.) have applied a "binder coat" to all of their sew-on (non-adhesive) products to prevent fraying when cut. This appears to violate rule I04-D for use as part of a rope. What is the official ruling on this? | Please see [Team Update 05](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate05.pdf). | |||||||||||||||||||||
88 | 276 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/276 | Q276 Retaining Device / Knot at Davit Fingers | :* In Q142, you stated that placing a knot that formed a loop for the retaining device (RD) below the davit fingers (DF) would violate I04-F, implying that above it it would be ok. If the knot is considered part of the RD (in this case), there seems to be no rule stating that the retaining feature must be fully above the DF. Also, if it is not part of the RD, then placing it above the davit fingers would still violate I04-F, as it would not be 29" below the retaining fingers. Which is it? | Please see [Team Update 05](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate05.pdf). | |||||||||||||||||||||
89 | 303 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/303 | Q303 Follow-Up on Q183 and R37 Implications | :* There is a laptop with battery essential to its operation on a robot. If all components were stripped except for its integrated battery and motherboard, would this modified device meet R37? | No, the device is no longer a COTS computing device if it is modified, which means it would not meet the exception in !R37. | |||||||||||||||||||||
90 | 297 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/297 | Q297 Do we have to connect can-bus between the PDP and the NI roboRIO? | :* Since our motor controllers don't involve can-bus, it seems useless for us to connect can-bus between the PDP and the NI roboRIO. But it seems necessary since it is written in Wiring_the_2017_FRC_Control_System.pdf. So if we omit the can-bus connection, will we pass the inspection? | ### Updated to address difference between title question and body question, added text in bold (1/25/17). Yes, **the PDP and the roboRIO must be connected via CAN,** please see !R77. **A ROBOT without that connection is not compliant with !R77 and will not pass Inspection.** | |||||||||||||||||||||
91 | 295 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/295 | Q295 Round Rope vs. Flat Rope | :* Does a teams' custom rope have to be round for its thickness or can it be flat? Figure 9-1 shows a flat rope and a round rope but is not specific on whether the flat rope is legal or not. | There are no restrictions in !I04 requiring a ROPE to be round. | |||||||||||||||||||||
92 | 293 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/293 | Q293 Usage of knots with team brought rope | :* Are we allowed to have a loose knot in the rope that we provide that will intentionally come undone during the match but will not exceed the length limitation when both tied and undone? | We believe !Q152 answers your question. If it does not, please rephrase your question and resubmit. | |||||||||||||||||||||
93 | 292 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/292 | Q292 Frame Perimeter | :* Once the match starts, can the robot extend past the frame perimeter? As in dumping a hopper into the boiler. | We believe !Q4 answers your question. If it does not, please rephrase your question and resubmit. **Please use the Search Q&A button on the navigation bar before posing a new question**. | |||||||||||||||||||||
94 | 287 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/287 | Q287 Can the pilot lift a gear from the robot during the autonomous period? | :* Since the pilot can operate the lift to remove the gear from the robot during the game, we were wondering whether they can do this during the autonomous period as well, provided that the robot drives to the lift and secures the gear on the lift without human help. | We believe !Q38 answers your question. If it does not, please rephrase your question and resubmit. Please use the Search Q&A button on the navigation bar before posing a new question. | |||||||||||||||||||||
95 | 290 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/290 | Q290 Bumper Construction requirements for areas of the bot that do not require a bumper. | :* Can you have any bumper in a position that does not require a bumper, but does not meet the bumper height. We want to build a bumper that is the 5" full height 6" from the ends, per rule R29, but only 1.5" high between the 6" ends. So between the 6" ends, where no bumper is required per R29, can we build a 1.5" bumper that provides some protection to the our bot and other bots? | No, assemblies which do not meet the full listed requirements of a BUMPER are not a BUMPER and therefore would be included in the exemptions\exclusions for BUMPERS in !R01 and !R02, resulting in the described configuration being illegal. | |||||||||||||||||||||
96 | 289 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/289 | Q289 Vendor of pneumatic cylinders? | :* In R82-A, it states that items must be available in the KOP in order to be legal in the pneumatic system. Does this restrict us to using only Bimba cylinders available via the PDV? Or may we use cylinders from any VENDOR? | !R82 provides a list of pneumatic components that are allowed on a ROBOT. Item A states that all pneumatic components provided in the KOP, with the exception in Item K, are allowed on a ROBOT - even if it is not found in any of the other items in the list. Item J specifically allows pneumatic cylinders, and no requirement of VENDOR is stated. | |||||||||||||||||||||
97 | 288 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/288 | Q288 Can the output of one solenoid valve be the input of another? | :* R95. states "The outputs from multiple solenoid valves must not be plumbed together." does this only refer to in parallel operation? Would it be legal plumb one solenoid such that it supplies pressure to the second solenoid or it vents it. The intent is to have a cylinder with 3 states; direction A, direction B and free/vented" | !R95 does not prohibit plumbing the output of a pneumatic solenoid to the input of another solenoid. However, take care to make sure the resulting configuration complies with !R94. | |||||||||||||||||||||
98 | 286 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/286 | Q286 Confetti Poppers? | :* To help cheer on my team, are we allowed to use confetti party poppers? Like those ones that pop out streamers and confetti when you pull out the string. | While the spirit of your question is apprecipated, please see [E06](http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/event-experience), particularly the noisy items. Additionally confetti is likely to make a mess of the venue/arena and is strongly discouraged. | |||||||||||||||||||||
99 | 285 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/285 | Q285 If multiple loops are in the rope, are there restrictions on where these loops can be? | :* In section 9, it says that the rope can have ‘some modifications … (e.g. tying knots)’ Are we allowed to have a loop (or loops) instead of a knot that is part of the way up the rope instead of at the bottom? Is there a restriction as to how far UP the rope it can be (other than 104-F saying it must be 29" below retaining knot.) | All parameters for Team supplied ROPES are listed in !I04. If any of those are unclear, please rephrase your question and resubmit. | |||||||||||||||||||||
100 | 283 | https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/283 | Q283 Clarification of Battery Terminal Restrictions | :* R37-F specifies "Nut and bolt style" terminals. Are batteries with integral nuts permitted? Example: PowerSonic PS-12180HD-M5 http://www.power-sonic.com/images/powersonic/sla_batteries/ps_psg_series/12volt/PS12180HDM5.pdf | No. Batteries with integral nuts do not meet the requirement of !R37 part F. |