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397
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/397
Q397 Starting in your own key
:* As long as you are still touching the alliance wall, may you start
angled in your own key?
The only requirement of !G01-E, is that the ROBOT must be " in contact
with its ALLIANCE WALL diamond plate"
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396
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/396
Q396 Angled Bumpers
:* R23 states "Bumpers do not need to be parallel to the floor." Does
that mean the bumpers can be angled along the side of the frame perimeter
so that the front of the bumper is facing an upward angle and extending
into the frame perimeter? Assuming the bumpers follow all construction
rules, remain inside the bumper zone and are connected as specified in R23.
No, BUMPERS must be mounted with the plywood backing nominally
vertical to meet the requirements of !R31. The quote you referenced allows
for the BUMPER to be angled relative to the floor in the left-to-right
dimension when looking at any given face of the FRAME PERIMETER (e.g. the
left side of the BUMPER could have the top at 7 in. and the right side
could have the top at 6 in.).
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394
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/394
Q394 Bumpers for less than six-inch side on frame perimeter
:* If a robot has a less than six-inch side extending from the corner
of a frame perimeter, would bumpers need to cover just the entirety of the
less than six-inch side or should this side be elongated to reach six
inches?
As per !R22, "If a FRAME PERIMETER side is shorter than 6 in. (~16
cm), that entire side must be protected by BUMPER (see Figure 8‑2)." Note
that this specifically refers to a "FRAME PERIMETER side", if the FRAME
PERIMETER (described in !R01) side is longer than 6", even if the "frame"
is shorter than 6", the full 6" must be protected and the BUMPER must be
appropriately backed per !R31. See Figure 8-1 for examples.
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391
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/391
Q391 Can you transfer fuel between robots?
:* I've seen many questions regarding G28 or controlling fuel outside
of your frame. However, I haven't seen anyone ask if unloading into another
robot is allowed. Would the brief period that fuel is being transferred be
a rule violation? Also, if robots transfer fuel while in the neutral zone,
would that be a violation of G23? Please clarify.
Please remember that we cannot comment absolutely on hypothetical
scenarios. The ultimate decision would be determined by the REFEREES at
your event, with the final call made by the Head REFEREE. However, if a
REFEREE believes that !G23 is being violated, it will be enforced.
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389
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/389
Q389 Does current to an aesthetic device count the same as current to an
operational device?
:* Does a raspberry pi controlling lights count as an active device?
When it talks about current in the manual, does a current to an aesthetic
device count the same as a current to an operational device?
We're not completely sure which rule or rule(s) you're referring to,
but it's assumed you're referring to !R49. A Raspberry Pi controlling
lights on your ROBOT is, indeed, classified as a CUSTOM CIRCUIT per !R49
and is governed by all ROBOT rules that apply.
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388
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/388
Q388 Bagging a second ROBOT
:* If a team were to bag a second, legal robot in addition to their
first robot, could that team then give that robot to an alliance partner at
competition, provided that the robot is inspected and identified in
accordance to the alliance partner?
No, this would not meet the requirements of !I01 which requires the
ROBOT to be "built by the _FIRST_® Robotics Competition Team". It may also
be a violation of !C04 which prohibits a Team from entering more than one
(1) ROBOT into the event.
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387
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/387
Q387 Rules for detachment of robot from rope
:* I was wondering if there is a time limit to how long we have of
taking our robot down after it has hung? If there is, how long? And is
there any rule about sewing a layer of Velcro over a layer of ratchet strap
that is over another layer of Velcro as a rope? Velcro- Ratchet Strap
-Velcro.
In the future, please submit only one question at a time unless the
questions are directly related. Regarding your ROPE question, please use
the Search Q&A button to review the previously asked ROPE material
questions and resubmit a question specific to a particular rule if you need
additional clarification. We will not rule on particular ROPE or ROBOT
designs. Regarding your time limit question, there is no prescribed amount
of time that a DRIVE TEAM has to remove their ROPE/ROBOT after the MATCH.
However, DRIVE TEAMS should be prepared to remove their ROPE/ROBOT promptly
to allow for FIELD reset per !G02
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384
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/384
Q384 Does GEAR placement on an out-of-order GEAR SETs matter?
:* There is some confusion around the word "installed" w.r.t.
individual GEARs in section 3.4.2. "ROTORS only start if GEARS are
installed in ROTOR order". Does it matter if higher-order GEAR SETs have
GEARs installed before low-order ROTORs are installed / activated? E.g., if
ROTOR 2's GEAR SET has no GEARs placed on it, and a PILOT places a GEAR on
the GEAR SET attached to ROTOR 3, then places all required GEARs on the
GEAR SET for ROTOR 2, will ROTOR 2 still activate after turning 3 times?
Please see [Team Update
07](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate07.pdf).
The placement of GEARS within a GEAR set, or across GEAR sets, is
inconsequential. Remember, however, that once a ROTOR has started, any
GEARS used to start it cannot be removed per !H10.
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382
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/382
Q382 Is rope with multiple I04.D techniques legal?
:* From I04.D: "A ROPE must... D. consist entirely of flexible,
non-metallic fibers sewn, twisted, tied, woven, knitted, crocheted,
intertwined, or braided together" A tight interpretation of "or" allows
only one of the above options. A less strict interpretation could allow any
or all of the options. A strict interpretation would disallow all of the
above techniques with typical COTS woven, non-adhesive, sew-on
hook-and-loop strips, as the strip itself was woven by the manufacturer.
It is not the intent of the manual to use an exclusive-OR relationship
with any use of the word "OR," unless specifically noted.
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380
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/380
Q380 Section 3.9 - Touchpad
:* In the latest update section 3.9, it is stated, "...less than 75
pounds of pressure..." General usage (albeit incorrect) of pounds of
pressure would indicate pounds per square inch of pressure. Since pressure
is force times unit area, I believe that you meant to write force, not
pressure.
Good catch. The manual has been updated per [Team Update
07](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate07.pdf).
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385
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/385
Q385 are we allowed to push fuel
:* are we allowed to push or bulldoze the fuel across the field to
the boiler or are we required to pick it up and hold it what is the
consequences if we are not allowed to push it
There are no rules specifically prohibiting bulldozing or pushing FUEL.
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386
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/386
Q386 Starting postion
:* We know that we have to be up against the wall but do we have to
be flushed? Could we be at an angle?
The only requirement of !G01-E, is that the ROBOT must be " in contact
with its ALLIANCE WALL diamond plate"
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379
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/379
Q379 Bumper Edge Rabbeting
:* The bumper side view in the annual shows the angle aluminum
surface mounted to the plywood. Since the bumpers are part of the robot
volume, can the bumper plywood edges be rabbeted (inset) so the aluminum
angle surface will be flush to the surface of the plywood that mounts to
the robot frame?
No, "rabbetting" is not an exception permitted in !R29, part A.
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368
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/368
Q368 Alliance Wall to Baseline and other Measurements
:* I was wondering what the official distance was from the alliance
wall to the baseline I seem to see conflicting information. The rule book
says 9' 4" but the drawings I printed says it is 2x 93.3. and the same goes
for the distance to the launchline. Also I am wondering how big one of the
sides of the base of the airship is. From what we are gathering it is just
under 40 inches is that correct? Thanks
The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of
FIRST STEAMWORKS. Any measurements or materials information can be derived
from the Field Drawings available at:
http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system
The most recent version of the manual matches the drawings.
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360
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/360
Q360 May a robot include fabricated items from another team's tagged bag?
:* R21 specifically allows teams to use fabricated items from another
team's withholding allowance, but not from their robot bag (or bags). R15
through R20 do not appear to explicitly forbid use of fabricated items from
another team's bag, but the use of "their robot" and "your robot"
throughout these rules imply that the parts in a team's bag may only be
used on their robot. May a robot include fabricated items from another
team's tagged bag?
Yes, a ROBOT element that was bagged "by 04:59 UTC on Stop Build Day,
Wednesday, February 22, 2017" meets the requirements of !R15 regardless of
which Team's bag it was in.
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356
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/356
Q356 What Does "Breaking" and "Crossing" the baseline mean? The more
specific the better pls.
:* According to pages: #13 -Section 2 Overview. Table 2-1 Auto Point
Values V1., #41 -Section 4 MATCH Play 4.1 Periods V2, and #44 -Section 4
MATCH Play Table 4-1 FIRST STEAMWORKS Rewards V2 What does the robot have
to do in Auto to get the points? Does the robot have to "cross the
baseline" completely or does part of the bumper just have to "break the
baseline"?
There are several ways to earn points during AUTO, per Table 4-1. For
the "AUTO mobility" points specifically, a ROBOT'S BUMPERS must break the
vertical plane defined by the BASE LINE before the end of AUTO.
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255
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/255
Q255 LIFT specifications (spring source and shaft collar)
:* In testing the McMaster spring order called out in the field
components (9664K68) to one from century with identical specifications
(http://www.centuryspring.com/extension-springs-e-41.html) substantial
differences were found in deflection and springiness. Will all field spring
be solely sourced from McMaster? Additionally, the field tour video shows a
collar, while field components drawing does not.
All FIELD springs have been sourced from McMaster-Carr, however
Practice Field springs and springs used as spares for official fields may
be an alternate part (and if so, we'll update the manual and publish in a
Team Update when that information is available). Regarding the collar, the
[Field Tour Video](https://youtu.be/ZeOevMTC_rw) is correct, and has been
added as of [Team Update
06](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate06.pdf).
Thank you for noticing that!
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378
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/378
Q378 Cost Accounting - R10(B) KOP clarification - "Yellow Tote" items
obtained by other means
:* Does R10(B) exclusion apply to "Yellow Tote" items even if we
didn't get them from a "Yellow Tote" ? We used some parts from previous
years and bought some parts directly from AndyMark later. Are they exempt
or listed at full retail value?
Any item that meets the definition of KOP, even if your team did not
acquire it that way (with the exception of PDV items which require your
team to have acquired them in a specific manner to qualify as KOP) may be
omitted from the CAW, or listed with a $0 cost per !R10-B.
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377
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/377
Q377 Does the bumper have to be the same length as the frame b4 the frame
returns into the robo
:* Figure 8-1 top image shows an opening of the robot. The top right
frame is >=6 so the bumper is >= 6". If the frame was 9" but the bumper
still satisfied the >=6 would this still be legal? This image looks to have
a 1/2" of frame before "not a Bumper". This edge is somewhere between the
not ok second image and the >=6" in the same image. If you envision the top
image top two bumpers, between these bumpers 2" past the end of the >= 6"
bumper the frame 90deg returned into the bot 4" with a 10" gap
The "ROBOT frame" has no impact on compliance with !R22 except to the
extent that it defines the FRAME PERIMETER. The presence, or absence, of
"ROBOT frame" in sections of the FRAME PERIMETER which do not have to be
covered with BUMPER to comply with !R22 do not change legality.
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366
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/366
Q366 Taking the robot down after a match
:* Once the match is over and the robots are hanging on the ropes, 1.
Will we be penalized if our robot unwinds itself because it has been turned
off after the match is over? 2. Can we lift the robot to unhook the rope
that our team will provide and take our robot off the field with the rope
still attached? Thanks!!
There is no penalty for a ROBOT that descends once DISABLED at the end
of the MATCH (although the "Ready for Takeoff" bonus may not be granted if
requirements outlined in *Section 3.9 TOUCHPAD* aren't met). Please see
!Q300 for the second part of your inquiry.
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362
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/362
Q362 Multiple launchers
:* Any restrictions with multiple launchers on a single robot to
project fuel?
We cannot rule absolutely on hypothetical ROBOT designs, and the final
decision as to legality of a particular ROBOT lies with the Lead ROBOT
Inspector (LRI) at each event. However, there are no rules prohibiting
multiple devices capable of "launching" FUEL on a single ROBOT, provided
all other ROBOT rules are satisfied.
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357
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/357
Q357 Climbing and the bumper zone
:* When it come to the climbing rules, when it says "Example 1: A
ROBOT that is at an angle while navigating a ROPE has its BUMPERS outside
the BUMPER ZONE. If this ROBOT were virtually transposed onto a flat floor,
and its BUMPERS are in the BUMPER ZONE, it meets the requirements of R23."
Is the transposition in reference to the field floor, or the bottom of the
robot? Thanks.
The transposition described in the example is virtually "undoing" any
rotation and displacement caused by climbing the ROPE, but **not** undoing
any changes to the ROBOT itself. This means that a ROBOT that does not
change shape at all while climbing, but rotates so the BUMPERS are
perpendicular to the floor does not violate !R23 because the BUMPERS would
be in the BUMPER ZONE if this ROBOT were place back on the flat floor. If,
instead, a ROBOT starts pushing a mechanism down against the floor, lifting
itself up onto the ROPE, but also taking the BUMPERS outside the BUMPER
ZONE this would violate !R23 as the BUMPERS are now outside the BUMPER ZONE
even when the ROBOT is place on a flat floor.
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365
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/365
Q365 Actuators limitations
:* Under 8.6 R32. Rule states "Electrical solenoid actuators, no
greater than 1 in. (nominal) stroke and rate electrical input not greater
than 10 watts (W) continuous duty at 12 volts (VDC). We currently an
AndyMark 3515 but its stroke is 50mm...illegal?? or Legal?? If Illegal,
where can we get one that is Legal??
We will not rule definitively on individual ROBOT parts. We will note
that the referenced part is sold as a "linear servo" and is not an electric
solenoid actuator.
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369
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/369
Q369 Is a servo a servo a servo?
:* To me this is simple, but there seems to be some difficulty on
Chief Delphi, so here are the questions: Traditionally, servos are
rotational devices which provide rotation-angle internal closed-loop
control but do not provide feedback for "external" control. Are devices
sold as "linear servos" which provide linear motion using servo standard
PWM controls but producing linear rather than rotational motion considered
servos under the 2017 rules?
If it is sold by a VENDOR as a "servo", linear or otherwise, it's a
servo.
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370
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/370
Q370 ROBOTs adhering to GAME PIECES?
:* Provided this adhesive does not leave any marks, residue, or
otherwise damage on GAME PIECES, is there any restriction on adhesive ROBOT
components' interactions with game pieces?
There are no rules that explicitly prohibit using adhesives to
interact with GAME PIECES.
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376
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/376
Q376 Non-metallic, non-fibrous debris in/on rope
:* During our climb practice, we noticed that small (< 1mm)
non-metallic but non fibrous pieces of the robot tore off the robot upon
removal of the rope from the robot, and the debris became embedded in the
rope. This debris does not provide an advantage to subsequent climbing. We
are planning to use a team-supplied rope. Would the presence of such debris
render the rope unusable in match play until it is completely removed?
We cannot rule absolutely on hypothetical ROPE situations, and the
final decision as to legality of a particular ROPE lies with the Lead ROBOT
Inspector (LRI) at each event. When in doubt, however, Teams should ask for
the ROPE to be re-inspected.
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373
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/373
Q373 Does the Andymark assembly pn am-2971 comply with r32 for motor useage?
:* Does the Andymark assembly pn am-2971 comply with r32 for motor
useage? The am-2971 states that the motor is a banebot RS775 series but
nothing more specific as identified in R32?
The legal motors are listed in Table 8-1. If you're not sure of a
VENDOR'S part number, we recommend you contact the VENDOR directly to clear
up any ambiguity.
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374
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/374
Q374 Did Team Update 05 change the comment in the answer to Q142?
:* The second paragraph of the answer to Q142 reads "Please note that
placing any knot used to form loops, as described above, below the DAVIT
fingers would violate I04-F.". However, Team Update modified I04-F such by
appending "with a Retaining Feature (RF) that does not extend more than 2
in. (~5 cm) below the DAVIT fingers." Provided that the knot was within 2
inches of the DAVIT fingers, does this update modify that second paragraph?
If not, why not?
Good catch! Please see !Q142 as updated per [Team Update
05](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdates-combined.pdf).
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375
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/375
Q375 Can a robot drop its gear deliberately into the opponents loading
station?
:* Can we use our extra gears to drop into the opponents loading
zone? I don't believe we would not be violating G08 Don’t tear others down
to lift yourself up - "NOT DESTRUCTIVE, NOT ON ROBOT" G27 One-GEAR
limit.{Blue box not control ."A" "bulldozing "} - "They would not be
penalized so we are not either" G24 Don’t throw GEARS This one may put the
stop to it BUT WOULD IT? G21 GAME PIECES: use as directed... but "Return
LOADING STATIONS" are not listed?
Just like in the answer to !Q166, please note that deliberately
placing GAME PIECES in front of any FIELD elements (for example, but not
limited to, the opponent's Return LOADING STATION) could result in a
violation of !G21.
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372
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/372
Q372 Weighing bumpers during inspection
:* Assuming R25 compliance, may the robot be weighed WITH the bumpers
on during inspection? In other words: If the entire robot+bumper assembly
weighs less than 120lbs, can it be asserted that the robot would weigh less
than 120lbs without the bumpers?
No. The ROBOT and BUMPERS will be weighed separately to assess
compliance with !R05 and !R28.
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367
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/367
Q367 Perimeter protrusions
:* Under Sec. R02, will small extremely flexible plastic members,
such as wire tie tails up to maybe three inches long, be considered "minor
protrusions"?
We cannot rule absolutely on hypothetical ROBOT designs, and the final
decision as to legality of a particular ROBOT lies with the Lead ROBOT
Inspector (LRI) at each event. A protrusion that is 3 in. long is very
unlikely to be considered minor.
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364
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/364
Q364 Winch Motor Legal?
:* Under rule 8.6(Motors and Actuators), would a motor on a purchased
winch be considered to be a "Select Automotive Motor" and therefore a legal
motor?
No, a winch motor is not a "Window, Door, Windshield wiper, Seat,
Throttle" as listed in !R32, and thus not permitted.
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363
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/363
Q363 Breaking the Baseline at the Middle Lift Station
:* Is it possible to break the baseline at the middle lift station.
For example, if a robot were to drive from the alliance station wall
directly to the wall of the middle airship lift, would that robot earn the
mobility points for breaking the baseline in auto?
Yes, it is possible to break the BASELINE at the middle LIFT position.
However, the ultimate decision would be determined by the REFEREES at your
event, with the final call made by the Head REFEREE.
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349
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/349
Q349 Robot size specifications
:* What is the exact process the officials go through to determine if
the volume of a robot meets specifications?
The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of
_FIRST_ STEAMWORKS, not discuss the processes or procedures that will be
used at events. If you have a specific concern or comment, please direct it
to Team Support at
[firstroboticscompetition@firstinspires.org](mailto:firstroboticscompetition@firstinspires.org).
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306
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/306
Q306 What level of fraying constitutes damage under [G15], and when would
it be called?
:* In our hook-and-loop winch drum tests many of our ropes fray, and
how much seems to depend on many factors. The fraying in some tests happens
a few fibers each time. In other tests, the fraying is more obvious. Is any
level of fraying considered normal wear and tear? To a referee what
approximately separates damage from wear and tear with respect to fraying
while interacting with any robot component (hook-and-loop or not). At what
point in the match would [G15] be called for fraying?
We cannot comment absolutely on hypothetical scenarios. The ultimate
decision would be determined by the REFEREES at your event, with the final
call made by the Head REFEREE. There is no *FIRST* Robotics Competition
specific definition of wear-and-tear, if the REFEREE(S) determine the
damage is the direct result of a ROBOT action or MECHANISM it is possible
that !G15 would be called. Teams should design carefully to ensure they do
not cause any damage when attempting to climb a FIELD ROPE. If you're not
referring to a FIELD ROPE, please see !G15, as updated in [Team Update
06](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate06.pdf).
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361
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/361
Q361 Preloaded Game Pieces
:* If we start the autonomous round with fuel and/or gear, do we need
to do something with them? If so, must they be used in AUTO or can they be
used in TELEOP?
There are no rules specifically restricting the usage of preloaded
GAME PIECES once they have been legally loaded onto a ROBOT per Section
4.2. Once the MATCH has started these GAME PIECES are treated just like any
other GAME PIECE.
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359
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/359
Q359 Robot volume inspection?
:* Section 9 (inspection & eligibility) does not give any indication
on how robots will be inspected for compliance with R03? Will it be a tape
measure, do tolerances exist? If it will be an inspection box, can/will
FIRST release the box specifications? If a box is used, what will be the
criteria of passing inspection. e.g. 1. Robot not touching the box at all.
2. Robot only fits the box with extreme compression of bumpers. This is
information teams need to know to ensure they pass inspection.
A ROBOT that requires "extreme compression of the BUMPERS" to comply
with !R03 does not comply with !R03. ROBOTS must fit within the volume
specified in !R03; teams should not be counting on any particular procedure
or tolerance to make sure they fit within that volume.
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353
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/353
Q353 Using Hinges on Bumpers
:* As said in R29:F, you are allowed to use aluminum brackets to
fasten bumpers together at a 90-degree angle. Would it be acceptable to use
a metal hinge for the same purpose, given that both bumpers will be
fastened to the frame 90 degrees from each other?
No, hinges are not aluminum sheet or angle and thus do not meet !R29-F.
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325
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/325
Q325 Game Pieces Transfer from Loading Zone to Alliance Station
:* Ref section 4.6, "GAME PIECES that roll, slide, or otherwise
transfer from a LOADING LANE to an ALLIANCE STATION (or vice versa) are
considered “owned” by the ALLIANCE in the space now occupied by the GAME
PIECE. " What constitutes a GAME PIECE to "occupy" the Alliance Station.
Must the GAME PIECE complicatedly be in the volume of the Alliance Station,
or is "breaking the plane" (i.e. football touchdown) satisfy the "occupy"
standard?
A GAME PIECE is considered available to an ALLIANCE if any part of the
GAME PIECE is breaking the plane of the ALLIANCE STATION volume. However,
per !H07, DRIVE TEAM Members may only contact the portion of the GAME PIECE
that is inside their zone.
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338
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/338
Q338 Touchpad force leeway?
:* This question is similar to #219. My team would like to know if
there is an additional leeway to the 1-3 lb force to trip the touchpad. For
example, if we are 1-2 pounds over (or several) when we stop climbing the
rope will this damage any of the field components?
We believe !Q219 answers your question. If it does not, please
rephrase your question and resubmit. Please use the Search Q&A button on
the navigation bar before posing a new question.
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301
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/301
Q301 Knitted fibers for Rope?
:* I04-D permits non-metallic fibers that are "woven". Are "knitted"
fibers permitted? While similar to "woven", there is a technical difference.
Yes, "knitted" fibers are permitted. Please see [Team Update
06](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate06.pdf).
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299
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/299
Q299 Damage to Team Provided rope.
:* With regard to R06 - R09 and Arena Damage -- If there is picking
and fraying caused by Velcro hooks on the climbing spool to the teams rope,
but no other field element is damaged is this a violation of R06 - R09? We
understand our rope might be subject to re-inspection and might have to be
replaced with a fresh rope. GDC says "Why did we let them bring their own
rope" :) -- Thanks for all you do!!
We actually don't feel like we need to govern what happens to Team
supplied ROPES. Please see [Team Update
06](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate06.pdf).
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219
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/219
Q219 What is the maximum force a robot can apply to the touchpad when
climbing?
:* As per section 3.9 in the manual. Teams may wish to consider a
reasonable “safety factor” for TOUCHPAD activation and assume that no more
than 3 lbs. (~1.4 kg) of vertical force is required. Does this mean the
maximum force that can be applied is 3lbs when lifting a 120lbs robot? If
not what is the maximum force that can be applied before damage will occur
to the touchpad?
Please see [Team Update
06](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate06.pdf).
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Q323 District teams 6 hours bag unlock for back to back districts
:* For teams who have back to back districts (Districts 2 starts the
day after District 1 ends), will a combined 12 hour window of our of the
bag and tag be allowed?
Per !R19, District teams may only use the ROBOT Access Period for a
total of six (6) hours during the 7-day period preceding any 2-day event in
which their Team will be competing with their ROBOT. Since your events are
back-to-back, the 7-day period preceding each would overlap, and if you
wish you may use both six (6) hour access periods during that overlap, for
a total of twelve (12) hours.
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Q352 Picking up fuel in auto.
:* Provided that a robot never has more than ten fuel at any moment,
can a robot A. pick up fuel in auto and B. score said fuel in the boiler.
Also if a robot can pick up fuel in auto, may it pick up more than ten at
one time and score them?
!G01-F applies only at the start of the MATCH. Once the MATCH has
started, there is no restriction on the number of FUEL a ROBOT may possess.
Therefore, A) yes and B) yes.
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Q351 Entry on Cost Accounting Worksheet
:* On the sheet is it enough to put Chassis Kit 2 - Axle Bolt
(orange) for the description and KOP for the Source or do we need to
itemize each item that is in that Kit?
Per the Blue Box below !R10, "If the item is a KOP item, it does not
need to be on the CAW."
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Q350 robot extend over bumper
:* the robot hopper is being designed to extend over the bumpers, but
not past the bumpers. Is this allowed if we stay within the parameters of
the assigned volume space.
We cannot rule absolutely on hypothetical ROBOT designs, and the final
decision as to legality of a particular ROBOT lies with the Lead ROBOT
Inspector (LRI) at each event. Please consider !R02.
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Q348 About the use of a pixie camera
:* We are new to this competition and we were wondering if we could
use a pixy camera as a part of our hardware since we believe it could be
useful for our design our options are Pan/Tilt Kit for Pixy CMUcam5 Image
Sensor or Pixy CMUcam5 Image Sensor Thanks for your time.
There are no rules that govern what kind of camera that may be added
to a ROBOT. However, pay special attention to !R36 with respect to any
Pan/Tilt mechanism.
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Q347 Clarify: Sewing velcro to outside of Rope
:* Team Update 3 (Jan 17) permitted non-metallic fibers to be sewn
together with the rope. Can answers prior to Jan 17 (such as Q6, Q21, Q45)
be considered "revised" or "superseded" regarding sewing a non-metallic
fiber form of Velcro to the outside of the rope for non-whipping purposes
and outside of the 4" whipping zone?
We have reviewed the answers to !Q6, !Q21, and !Q45 and have found no
conflicts with the current rules (including the changes made in [Team
Update
03](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate03.pdf)).
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Q346 Can I use this?:* Are we allowed to use Velcro as a material for our climbing rope?
We believe a combination !Q45, !Q21, and !Q6 answer your question. If
it does not, please rephrase your question and resubmit. Please use the
Search Q&A button on the navigation bar before posing a new question.
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Q343 Bumpers are NOT part of Perimeter of ROBOT defined in G04 and R03
:* There seems to be continued confusion about bumpers in the two
variants of ROBOT volume (frame and effectors ONLY). It seems clear to our
team that only the robot frame and extending robot components must remain
within the chosen variant perimeter at ALL times, but bumpers are not in
this equation (otherwise the B Variant could not use the stock chassis in
the KOP without modification). Is it true that bumpers are NOT part of the
perimeter dimensions defined in G04 and R03? Thanks. :)
Bumpers are included in the maximum volume, we believe !Q77 makes this
clear. If it does not, please rephrase your question and resubmit. Please
use the Search Q&A button on the navigation bar before posing a new
question.
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Q336 Knots Coming Undone
:* To clarify Q293/Q152 and Q138, can a knot intentionally come
undone provided that the rope always meets the length and other
requirements?
Yes, please see !Q152.
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Q341 Multiple Knots in the Rope
:* If we were to have multiple knots in the rope, is there a minimum
required distance between each knot (besides the 29 in. between the
retaining feature knot and the knot right below that)?
There are no specific restrictions on knots below the 29 in.
requirement; however, note that the ROPE must remain flexible as configured
to comply with !I04-I.
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Q291 Bumper Thickness
:* Bumpers thickness the rules read that they need to be 3/4 inch
plywood and 2.5 inch pool noodles meaning the bumpers should be 3.25 inch.
However the rules then go onto say "Noodle compression as a result of
smoothing BUMPER fabric is not considered deformed. Any compression beyond
that , e.g. for the purposes of flattening the noodle, is deformation and a
violation of R29-". Since this is very arbitrary on the thickness could we
please get a ruling on minimum thickness of bumpers
No, no specific minimum will be provided beyond the rules you have
already cited.
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Q345 Is there a graphic/logo available for the Gear game piece?
:* Is there a graphic/logo file available for the Gear game piece?
The image incorporated in the Manual is an angled side view image. Our team
would like a front view only, vector image.
The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of
_FIRST_ STEAMWORKS. Please send your question to Team Support.
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Q344 Boiler High Goal
:* What is the horizontal distance between the boiler's high goal and
the alliance wall? We tried to find this distance (or any information about
the boiler's position) in both the rules and the field assembly
(https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Drawings/2017FieldAssembly.pdf),
but without any success. It is possible that we missed this information. We
would appreciate it if you could provide us an answer.
The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of
_FIRST_ STEAMWORKS. Any measurements or materials information can be
derived from the Field Drawings available at:
[http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system](http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system)
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Q340 How is the length of the rope measured?
:* If there were to be slack behind the retaining feature of the
rope, would it be included in the length of the rope?
Per !I04 parts B and C, the length of the ROPE will be measured "from
the side of the ROPE’S retaining feature (per I04-E) that abuts the DAVIT
fingers (L), to the farthest point on the ROPE from this feature." Note
that per !I04-H the ROPE may not extend more than 5 in. from "the side of
the ROPE’S retaining feature (per I04-E) that abuts the DAVIT fingers, to
the closest end on the ROPE from this feature (S)."
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Q339 Horizontal distance from the rope to the veritcal wall of the airship
:* What is the horizontal distance from the rope to the vertical wall
of the airship?
The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of
_FIRST_ STEAMWORKS. Any measurements or materials information can be
derived from the Field Drawings available at:
[http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system](http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system)
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Q337 End of Match and Robot
:* Once the match ends, the power to the robots is cut off. Are we
allowed to take off the rope if the rope belongs to the team and carry the
robot away with the rope still attached?
We believe !Q14 answers your question. If it does not, please rephrase
your question and resubmit. **Please use the Search Q&A button on the
navigation bar before posing a new question.**
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Q335 Gears and Fuel during Match Setup
:* In section 4.2 of the game manual, it says that teams may elect
to: A. pre-load one gear in or on their robot AND B. pre-load up to ten
fuel in or on their robot. this has stirred some discussion amongst member
of my team because we have watched the kickoff video multiple times and the
video shows robots with only one of the two choices. Please clarify this
section so we know if we are able to load both into our robot without
recieving any penalties.
The Manual is the governing body, thus a Team may load both types of
GAME PIECES in their ROBOT per *Section 4.2 MATCH Setup*. The game
animation is intended to describe game play through information and
examples, and not intended to be an authority on the rules.
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Q334 Error message when running sample program
:* Hi, we are running the benchtop test program for our robot using
Java running on Eclipse. When we run the sample program, we get the error
message: "Caught exception: scp:
/usr/local/frc/lib/User_Libraries.properties: No such file or directory" We
have followed every direction leading up to this point, so cannot figure
out why this error appears when we run this code with the RoboRIO attached.
Please advise. Thank you.
The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of
_FIRST_ STEAMWORKS. For technical assistance, please visit the [FIRST
Forums](http://forums.usfirst.org/forumdisplay.php?23-FIRST-Robotics-Competition).
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Q333 Robot size
:* With reference to R03 stating that the bumpers are included in the
frame measurement. Does that me that the robot frame must be (referencing
cube "B") six and one half inches less than the described 30 in. by 32 in.
by 36 in. tall to accommodate the bumpers outsides to be inside the cube?
There is no prescribed size for the ROBOT frame, or an exact specified
size for the BUMPERS. If your robot is rectangular, it is expected that
your FRAME PERIMETER should be approximately 6.5 in, or more, smaller than
the maximum volume in each dimension in order to allow for BUMPERS
(nominally .75 in plywood + 2.5 in. pool noodle + fabric).
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Q332 R37: TX1+J140 integrated LiPo charger essential for manufacturer
intended drone operation
:* We intend to use an Nvidia TX1 "CPU" mated to an Auvidea J140
"mother board" that in addition to TX1 voltage regulators, integrates a
laptop 2S LiPo battery charger and connector - essential for intended drone
applications. The LiPo is charged by the J140 from the robot battery. The
J140+TX1 "ISP" will process data from 3 CSI cameras & interface to roboRIO
via ethernet. No actuators connected to the ISP; ISP powered by intended
battery. Is this unmodified drone ISP classified as a laptop?
Whether the resulting combination is "classified as a laptop" or not
is irrelevant to legality for the 2017 FRC. Neither the TX1 nor the J140
appear to be sold with an integrated battery in any configuration that we
can find. The inclusion of battery charging capability does not make a
battery integral to device. The intent of the exception in !R37 is to allow
teams to utilize devices, such as laptops, GoPro cameras, cell phones, etc.
which contain batteries (the entire solution including battery, connection,
etc) without violating !R37. The intent is not to allow teams to take
devices such as Raspberry Pi's or Nvidia Jetson TX1's which are not
designed or sold with batteries and attach some other COTS battery to them.
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Q331 Dropping a rope on a robot of the opposing alliance
:* Consider a rope of the red alliance being dropped and landing on a
blue robot on its way back to its own airship during the last 30 seconds of
the match. Did the red alliance pilot who dropped the rope violate C08
(Don’t expect to gain by doing others harm) by forcing the blue robot to
violate G20 (Let ‘em climb: don’t touch their ROPES)? This is a distinctly
different question from Q159 because that asks about dropping a rope onto
ones own robot.
If a REFEREE is able to determine that the intent of dropping the ROPE
was solely to cause the opposing ALLIANCE to violate a rule, then this
would be a violation of !C08. If the REFEREE cannot determine this, the
ALLIANCE will be given the benefit of the doubt that dropping the ROPE was
part of normal gameplay and the opposing ROBOT would be assessed a FOUL per
!G20.
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Q330 Are Ethernet switches legal?
:* My team would like to place an Ethernet switch on the robot in
order to provide more ports for interfacing the RoboRIO, the wireless
radio, and multiple network cameras together. Is using such a device legal?
There are no specific restrictions with regard to Ethernet switches,
however, please make sure your configuration follows !R63 (in addition to
all other Robot Rules).
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Q328 Gearbox issue
:* Can we use gearboxes with allowed motors. Specifically, can we use
gearbox PG188 with AndyMark motor am2161. The combination is listed as
am2924 on the AndyMark webpage.
There are no explicit restrictions regarding which gearboxes may be
used with which motors on the ROBOT with the exception of the integral
gearboxes for the previous KOP Window motors and Bosch motor. These two
motors must use the integral gearbox.
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Q322 District Model Timeline? Ontario...
:* Does each event follow the same time line for the district model?
If so what is each day's itinerary? Day 1 is only at 4pm? to drop off
parts??? Any work or testing this day? When does Day2 start? Describe
itinerary to clarify for teams with 30 lbs allowance, for planning ahead
purposes & clarification. Open pits times, what can be done when? Robot out
of bag to work on when? Into bag when? A team out of competition can at the
event they still work on robot until closing?
Each event will post a public agenda on its [Event Information
page](http://firstinspires.org/team-event-search#type=events&sort=name&programs=FRC&year=2016&from=2017-02-01&to=2017-12-16).
Please see !R18, part G and !R19 for specifics regarding teams attending
2-day (i.e. District) events.
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Q327 Sponsor machining cost in the CAW
:* Could you clarify the intent of R12 Blue Box Example 5? If the
company is listed as a sponsor and donates machine time and labor, but only
some of the machinists are directly involved with mentoring the students
while others are not, can we exclude the cost of the donated labor and
machine time from the CAW?
Per the !R12 Blue Box, Example 5, "If the machinists are considered
members of the Team, their labor costs do not apply." If you do not
consider the machinists members of the team, then labor costs would need to
be accounted for. The intent of this is described in the next paragraph of
the Blue Box.
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Q326 Follow up to Question 259
:* On Drawing GE-17026, 2 dimensions are provided. Per our
calculations, in order for the airship to be perfectly hexagonal, the
height must be 69.34265 in. This number was found using the Pythagorean
theorem where side A is 40.035 in (length provided by CAD drawing) and C is
80.07 in (diameter of hex). If you use trig with the height (70.5 in) you
get a side length of 40.703 in. Using these 2 measurements, we are not able
to construct a perfectly symmetrical hexagon to build. Can you clarify?
As noted in !Q259, CAD drawings are provided by the individual
software Suppliers. We will also note that the AIRSHIP is constructed from
three-dimensional shapes, not lines, so we encourage teams to be careful
about where measurements are referenced from.
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Q324 BOILER Netting Details
:* What are the specifications for the netting above the BOILER? The
field component drawings for GE-17371 omit the net, and section 3.11.4 of
the Game Manual only lists relative dimensions. Can you share any product
details like cord size, mesh width, or material type, to help teams
accurately simulate competition conditions?
As noted in the Field Tour Video ["The
Boiler"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJQ4kMwOGtI), the netting around
the Boiler is not intended to behave consistently. As such, there are no
specific drawings published, and no guarantees of the exact "competition
conditions" of a given Boiler net (though it will meet the relative
dimensions mentioned in the manual).
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Q313 gear rotor
:* Is the gear rotor removable, or does each gear train have its own
rotor? If so, and the rotor is dropped to the floor, is there a
penalty?...how does the team return it to the pilot?
Sorry, but we're unable to understand your question. ROTORS are
attached to the FIELD and it's not possible for them to be dropped to the
floor. Please rephrase and resubmit using the Glossary terms from the
Manual where applicable.
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Q311 Meaning of serialized inspection tag for rope
:* What exactly is the serialized inspection tag on page 45 in the
manual? Is it something we will receive after our rope is inspected at an
event or does it have another meaning? Thanks.
After passing Inspection, a serialized inspection tag will be attached
to the ROPE near the retaining feature, such that it will not get in the
way of a ROBOT interacting with the ROPE.
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Q309 R35 - Gearmotors with a relay
:* In Update 4, R35 was updated with the addition of Banebot motors
to Electrical Loads that can operate with a motor controller but not a
relay module. If a Banebot motor is used with one of the Banebot gearboxes
would that fall into the second gearmotor/window motor category like an
AndyMark PG (can use motor controller or relay) or is that still considered
just a Banebot motor (motor controller only)?
Attaching a gearbox to a motor has no impact on it's status with
regards to Table 8-2 and !R35.
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Q296 wrapping versus twisting velcro - clarification of Q6
:* In your response to Q6, you state "something ... wrapped around
the outside of the ROPE does not satisfy this requirement". Can you please
clarify the difference between "wrapped" and "twisted ... together" which
is allowed per I04? I can unwrap / untwist the strands of plain manila rope
to make 2 separate smaller ropes the same way I can unwrap / untwist manila
rope with an extra stand of Velcro to make 3 separate smaller ropes.
There's no *FIRST* STEAMWORKS specific definition of those two terms,
so a dictionary comparison will have to do. From Merriam Webster, for
"wrapped," intransitive verb #1: "to wind, coil, or twine so as to encircle
or cover something." "Twisted together" isn't a dictionary term, but if you
consider the term "twist," transitive verb #1: "to unite by winding ," the
inherent contrast is that the former describes a superficial application
while the latter is a weaving together of strands such that the applied
material is embedded in the base material.
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Q310 Q297 Conflicting Answer
:* In Q297, the question reads, "So if we omit the can-bus
connection, will we pass the inspection?", to which the answer reads, "Yes,
please see R77." R77 reads, "The PDP CAN interface must be connected to the
CAN-bus on the roboRIO...". I believe this answer was made in error. Can
you please verify that either R77 is correct, the CAN bus must be used
between the PDP and roboRIO, or the answer to Q97 is correct that it can be
omitted (and that R77 would then be updated in a future Team Update).
Thank you for pointing out this conflict. The question title in !Q297
is "Do we have to connect can-bus between the PDP and the NI roboRIO?"
which is what the "Yes" referred to. The answer to !Q297 will be updated to
clarify.
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Q321 Autonomous Period - Fuel & Gears
:* Each robot starts Autonomous with 10 fuel and 1 gear: Can 1 robot
transfer the 10 fuel to another robot in autonomous and that robot scores
all 20 fuel pieces? If yes. Can 1 robot transfer in Autonomous their gear
and one robot then places both gears on to the lift? Or even in Autonomous
1 gear moved per robot at one time?
There are no rules that prohibit one ROBOT from giving its GAME PIECES
to another ROBOT once the MATCH has started. However, keep in mind that
!G27 applies at all times, including AUTO.
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Q312 Can we put our retention pin through the loop on our rope?
:* Can we put our retention pin through the loop of our rope? Or do
we have to rely on the knot to keep the rope in place?
We believe !Q158 answers your question. If it does not, please
rephrase your question and resubmit. Please use the Search Q&A button on
the navigation bar before posing a new question.
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Q307 Airship Dividers
:* What is the distance between the dividers on the airship as well
the angle of the interior divider between the airship wall.
The purpose of this Q&A is to answer questions regarding the rules of
_FIRST_ STEAMWORKS. Any measurements or materials information can be
derived from the Field Drawings available at:
[http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system](http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/competition-manual-qa-system)
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Q302 Driving over a gear while holding a gear
:* In relation to Q166 and Q54, if there is a GEAR blocking the LIFT,
would our ROBOT draw a foul by driving over it, while holding another GEAR
onboard, to place a GEAR on the blocked LIFT? In other words, if we were to
contact a second GEAR (without intentionally moving it out of our way)
while trying access the lift, would that be considered "trapping"/"herding"
(a foul under G27) or "bulldozing"?
We cannot comment absolutely on hypothetical scenarios. The ultimate
decision would be determined by the REFEREES at your event, with the final
call made by the Head REFEREE. If a ROBOT makes "inadvertent contact with
GEARS while in the path of the ROBOT moving about the FIELD" (generally
including driving over) it is bulldozing. If a ROBOT is "holding a GEAR
against a FIELD element" or "intentionally pushing a GEAR" it has violated
!G27.
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Q300 Lowering robots from the ropes after the match ends
:* Are teams allowed to remove their robots from the ropes, after the
match ends, by untying the ropes themselves from the davits?
Per the Blue Box attached to !R08, if a Team brings their own ROPE,
yes. !R08 does not accommodate Teams removing FIELD elements, e.g. a
default FIELD ROPE, from the FIELD.
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Q278 R31 BUMPER Gaps
:* If we cover the corner with a bumper of 6" on each leg supported
by 2" one each end, do we need a frame support in the corner of 1/2" x 1/2"
or can the 8" gap be 4" on one side and continue an additional 4" on the
other side of the frame.
Each end of each BUMPER wood segment must be supported. Please see
!R31 as updated in [Team Update
05](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate05.pdf).
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Q305 Bumper Corner not in contact with the Frame
:* R31 requires "a minimum of 1/2 in. at each end of the BUMPER must
be backed by the FRAME PERMIETER.". However, R30 requires Corners to be
filled with pool noodle material (the "Overhang"). The Overhang of the end
of the Bumper is not backed by the Frame Perimeter. I believe R31 should
have an exception for the Overhang.
Please see [Team Update
05](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate05.pdf)
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Q304 Must the Bumper touch the Corner?
:* R31: Bumper is "supported" by 1/2" of the Frame Perimeter (FYI:
"PERMIETER" is misspelled in R31). A gap of 1/4" between the Bumper and the
FP is allowed. Assume the Bumper covers the entire side of the Robot, the
mounting hardware is 5" from each end, and no part of the Bumper is more
than 1/4" away from the Frame Perimeter. Due to the mounting hardware,
there is a 1/8" gap between the bumper and the FP. Can the corner of the FP
not be in contact with the Bumper?
Yes, 1/8 in. is less than the 1/4 in. required per !R31-A.
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Q298 R 06 and Robot Rope Climbing Mechanisim
:* With regard to R06 and Robot safety -- Would it be a violation if
the surface of the take-up spool is covered with very rough small sharp
metal protrusions that that engage with a team supplied rope? This surface
would be covered during transport, but exposed while on the field in
competition. There would also be clear labeling around the area.
Additionally if there is picking and fraying caused by this to the teams
rope, but no other field element is this a violation of R06 - R09?
We cannot rule absolutely on hypothetical ROBOT designs, and the final
decision as to legality of a particular ROBOT lies with the Lead ROBOT
Inspector (LRI) at each event. !R06 makes no accommodation for shielding or
labeling.
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Q294 360 degrees Camera
:* Could we use a 360 degrees camera? We could not find any
specifications about the camera, so any other information involving cameras
will be appreciated.
There are no rules which explicitly allow or restrict cameras on the
ROBOT. All cameras used must meet all applicable ROBOT Rules. !H12
specifies what elements DRIVE TEAM members may have/use during the MATCH.
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Q277 Hook and Loop
:* In reference to all the hook and loop questions, after scouring
the internet and contacting several suppliers, it appears that most if not
all brands of hook and loop (Velcro, Industrial Webbing, Dura-Grip, WBC,
etc.) have applied a "binder coat" to all of their sew-on (non-adhesive)
products to prevent fraying when cut. This appears to violate rule I04-D
for use as part of a rope. What is the official ruling on this?
Please see [Team Update
05](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate05.pdf).
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Q276 Retaining Device / Knot at Davit Fingers
:* In Q142, you stated that placing a knot that formed a loop for the
retaining device (RD) below the davit fingers (DF) would violate I04-F,
implying that above it it would be ok. If the knot is considered part of
the RD (in this case), there seems to be no rule stating that the retaining
feature must be fully above the DF. Also, if it is not part of the RD, then
placing it above the davit fingers would still violate I04-F, as it would
not be 29" below the retaining fingers. Which is it?
Please see [Team Update
05](https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.net/frc2017/Manual/TeamUpdates/TeamUpdate05.pdf).
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Q303 Follow-Up on Q183 and R37 Implications
:* There is a laptop with battery essential to its operation on a
robot. If all components were stripped except for its integrated battery
and motherboard, would this modified device meet R37?
No, the device is no longer a COTS computing device if it is modified,
which means it would not meet the exception in !R37.
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Q297 Do we have to connect can-bus between the PDP and the NI roboRIO?
:* Since our motor controllers don't involve can-bus, it seems
useless for us to connect can-bus between the PDP and the NI roboRIO. But
it seems necessary since it is written in
Wiring_the_2017_FRC_Control_System.pdf. So if we omit the can-bus
connection, will we pass the inspection?
### Updated to address difference between title question and body
question, added text in bold (1/25/17). Yes, **the PDP and the roboRIO must
be connected via CAN,** please see !R77. **A ROBOT without that connection
is not compliant with !R77 and will not pass Inspection.**
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Q295 Round Rope vs. Flat Rope
:* Does a teams' custom rope have to be round for its thickness or
can it be flat? Figure 9-1 shows a flat rope and a round rope but is not
specific on whether the flat rope is legal or not.
There are no restrictions in !I04 requiring a ROPE to be round.
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Q293 Usage of knots with team brought rope
:* Are we allowed to have a loose knot in the rope that we provide
that will intentionally come undone during the match but will not exceed
the length limitation when both tied and undone?
We believe !Q152 answers your question. If it does not, please
rephrase your question and resubmit.
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Q292 Frame Perimeter
:* Once the match starts, can the robot extend past the frame
perimeter? As in dumping a hopper into the boiler.
We believe !Q4 answers your question. If it does not, please rephrase
your question and resubmit. **Please use the Search Q&A button on the
navigation bar before posing a new question**.
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Q287 Can the pilot lift a gear from the robot during the autonomous period?
:* Since the pilot can operate the lift to remove the gear from the
robot during the game, we were wondering whether they can do this during
the autonomous period as well, provided that the robot drives to the lift
and secures the gear on the lift without human help.
We believe !Q38 answers your question. If it does not, please rephrase
your question and resubmit. Please use the Search Q&A button on the
navigation bar before posing a new question.
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Q290 Bumper Construction requirements for areas of the bot that do not
require a bumper.
:* Can you have any bumper in a position that does not require a
bumper, but does not meet the bumper height. We want to build a bumper that
is the 5" full height 6" from the ends, per rule R29, but only 1.5" high
between the 6" ends. So between the 6" ends, where no bumper is required
per R29, can we build a 1.5" bumper that provides some protection to the
our bot and other bots?
No, assemblies which do not meet the full listed requirements of a
BUMPER are not a BUMPER and therefore would be included in the
exemptions\exclusions for BUMPERS in !R01 and !R02, resulting in the
described configuration being illegal.
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Q289 Vendor of pneumatic cylinders?
:* In R82-A, it states that items must be available in the KOP in
order to be legal in the pneumatic system. Does this restrict us to using
only Bimba cylinders available via the PDV? Or may we use cylinders from
any VENDOR?
!R82 provides a list of pneumatic components that are allowed on a
ROBOT. Item A states that all pneumatic components provided in the KOP,
with the exception in Item K, are allowed on a ROBOT - even if it is not
found in any of the other items in the list. Item J specifically allows
pneumatic cylinders, and no requirement of VENDOR is stated.
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Q288 Can the output of one solenoid valve be the input of another?
:* R95. states "The outputs from multiple solenoid valves must not be
plumbed together." does this only refer to in parallel operation? Would it
be legal plumb one solenoid such that it supplies pressure to the second
solenoid or it vents it. The intent is to have a cylinder with 3 states;
direction A, direction B and free/vented"
!R95 does not prohibit plumbing the output of a pneumatic solenoid to
the input of another solenoid. However, take care to make sure the
resulting configuration complies with !R94.
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Q286 Confetti Poppers?
:* To help cheer on my team, are we allowed to use confetti party
poppers? Like those ones that pop out streamers and confetti when you pull
out the string.
While the spirit of your question is apprecipated, please see
[E06](http://www.firstinspires.org/resource-library/frc/event-experience),
particularly the noisy items. Additionally confetti is likely to make a
mess of the venue/arena and is strongly discouraged.
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Q285 If multiple loops are in the rope, are there restrictions on where
these loops can be?
:* In section 9, it says that the rope can have ‘some modifications …
(e.g. tying knots)’ Are we allowed to have a loop (or loops) instead of a
knot that is part of the way up the rope instead of at the bottom? Is there
a restriction as to how far UP the rope it can be (other than 104-F saying
it must be 29" below retaining knot.)
All parameters for Team supplied ROPES are listed in !I04. If any of
those are unclear, please rephrase your question and resubmit.
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Q283 Clarification of Battery Terminal Restrictions
:* R37-F specifies "Nut and bolt style" terminals. Are batteries with
integral nuts permitted? Example: PowerSonic PS-12180HD-M5
http://www.power-sonic.com/images/powersonic/sla_batteries/ps_psg_series/12volt/PS12180HDM5.pdf
No. Batteries with integral nuts do not meet the requirement of !R37
part F.
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