|Pacific Crest Trail Water Report -- Part One : Campo to Idyllwild||Updated 6:12pm 4/25/19|
|Campo, CA to Idyllwild, CA||www.pctwater.com|
|Never rely on water caches!!! Beware of contaminated water. Purify backcountry water.|
FOR WATER CACHE TRAIL ANGELS : Water jugs, and caches, left unattended often end up as litter blown across the landscape. A little rope through the handles is a quick fix (if there is no other way to secure the bottles) but don't forget to revisit what you've left out! If you are going to put items out on trail please keep Leave No Trace principles in mind to preserve our trails.
|Send email updates to email@example.com or phone/text 619-734-7289 or 619-734-PCTW [voice mail/text only, no one will answer]. Mileages and waypoint names used in this water report are from Halfmile’s PCT maps [www.pctmap.net]. Please send photos & videos of water sources, fires, passes, Poodle Dog Bush, and stream creek crossings to our Facebook page called "PCT Water,Fire,Passes,Fords Update Group"|
|Take fire safety seriously. Alcohol stoves start fires – go stoveless or carry a stove with a contained fuel source and a shut-off valve.|
|Water sources with blue text [marked with * or **] have historically been more reliable. Sources marked with ** are more likely to have water year-round than those marked with a single *. Water described as seasonal, usually dry, early spring, etc. are less reliable..|
|California Section A: Campo to Warner Springs|
|Start your hike with enough water to make it to the Lake Morena Campground.|
|A1||1.2||WR001||**Cottonwood Community Day School (formerly Juvenile Ranch Facility) [faucet behind sign]||3/7/19 (Six2) : Faucet is on.|
3/5/19 (Deb & Rick) : Water on behind sign.
|A1||2.7||Seasonal creek [usually dry]||4/15/19 (Major Mooch) : Flowing upstream, stagnant pools down stream. |
4/14/19 (Jiffypop2019) : Trickling with deep pools. Best to collect from upstream from bridge due to downed trees next to bridge.
3/31/19 (Mr. X) : strong flow.
|A1||4.4||WR004||Creeklet||4/14/19 (Jiffypop2019) : Flowing.|
4/9/19 (Uli) : still plenty of water.
3/31/19 (wsm24) : Plenty of water. Easy refill spot.
3/31/19 (Mr. X) : Very strong flow, plenty of volume. Small waterfall available.
|A2||~12.2||Seasonal creek [usually dry]||4/14/19 (Jiffypop2019) : Flowing with foot deep pool.|
4/10/19 (Uli) : decent flow/stream with pool (there was some foam on the water possibly from soap).
4/5/19 (BandAid) : Water at 12.2 is flowing with big pool.
|Mile 15.36 : 3/10/17 (Rebo) : There is a water cistern 1.6 miles down Hauser Creek Road off trail starting at Mile 15.36. Go left (for Nobo's) on Hauser Creek dirt road and walk down past white tube gate. In ~1.4 miles the dirt road ends at two large boulders. Go past the two boulders and walk ~50 feet. Go to your right and then go up the ravine (listen for water). Video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eqXmBcfeAw |
4/11/18 (Sean) : Flowing well.
4/5/18 (Dae-Suing) : Flowing according to another hike.
3/29/18 (Nicole) : Flowing cold water.
|A2||15.4||WRCS015||Hauser Creek [early spring only]||4/14/19 (Jiffypop2019) : Nice clear flow.|
4/10/19 (Uli) : plenty of water, flowing well with large pools.
4/5/19 (BandAid) : flowing ~2-3 lpm w/ several large Pools.
3/25/19 : Flowing well.
3/24/19 @ 8:00AM (Sunrise) : Flowing beautifully.
3/23/19 (Grace) : Flowing.
3/23/19 (Smalls) : Good flow.
|If dry at creek crossing, try taking a right on the road E & walk up stream 200-300 yards. Periodically walk up to creek and check for pools. These last just a little longer than at trail. [Beware; it often has water in April, only to go dry just before ADZPCTKO]. WATCH OUT FOR POISON OAK in this area.|
|A2||15.4||WACS016||Cottonwood Crk below Lake Morena [1.6miles W of PCT on dirt road]||Dry, but trail angel just left 10 gallons and requested on sign that people only take one liter.||1/29/19||Gadget Girl|
|A2||20||LkMorenaCG||**Lake Morena Campground||4/16/19 (Clara) : Lake Morena still has advisories about E.coli and the need to boil. The Malt Shop does sell filtered water from a Glacier vending machine outside for 35 cents a gallon.|
4/5/19 (BandAid) : still Ecoli and fecal coliform positive.
3/24/19 (Sunrise) : E. coli still present in water.
3/16/19 (Bane) : faucets on, water advisory still in effect.
2/3/19 (Stingray) : Currently Lake Morena reports contaminated water (E.coli), so all water is under a boil order (but filters should work fine). Faucets are still on.
1/21/19 (Stingray) : Water is available in Lake Morena.
5/17/18 (Ryan) : Flowing faucet with warning that water has been tested positive for coliform bacteria.
|A3||24.1||WR024||Cottonwood Creek Bridge||4/18/19 (SideTrack) : Flowing well and foot deep in places.|
4/11/19 (Uli) : plenty of water, strong flow.
4/5/19 (BandAid) : flowing very well, not a dangerous crossing. 2-3 gpm.
|A3||25.5||WR026||Cottonwood Creekbed||4/18/19 (SideTrack) : Flowing.|
4/12/19 (Marie) : Flowing.
4/11/19 (Uli) : lots of water, knee deep.
|**Boulder Oaks Campground||4/18/19 (SideTrack) : Spigots ON.|
4/12/19 (Marie) : water is on on campground.
3/8/19 (Six2) : Spigots are on, filter or treat.
|NOBO:First spigot is hard to see - it's hiding on the back of a 2' brown post just as the PCT gets onto the CG road. A 2nd faucet is on a tall brown post further along the road. SOBO:Heading south the spigot is to the left of the trail just before exiting the campground. There are several other spigots in the campground.|
|E. coli reared it's ugly head multiple times in the Mount Laguna area in the past. Please treat all water sources in this area.|
|A3||~26.8||Kitchen Creek near I-8||4/18/19 (SideTrack) : Flowing.|
1/22/19 (Fox & Hedgehog) : Flowing.
1/21/19 (Stingray) : Water is flowing very well in Kitchen Creek and at Yellow Rose Camp/Spring.
|A3||28.5||KitchenCrFalls||*Kitchen Creek Falls [2/10 mi NW]||4/18/19 (SideTrack) : Flowing Strong.|
3/26/19 (Sunrise) : Lots of water.
3/25/19 (Smalls) : Flowing well.
|A3||~30||Kitchen Creek [100 feet below trail]||4/18/19 (SideTrack) : Flowing Strong.|
4/1/19 (Mr. X) : major flow.
3/25/19 (Leslie) : Flowing well.
|Or continue to paved road at 30.6 and take a left and then a dirt road down to the water [~0.4 mile].|
|A3||30.2||WRCS030||*Kitchen Creek, Yellow Rose Spring|
[4/10 mile N of PCT on road]
|4/18/19 (SideTrack) : small stagnant pools.|
3/24/19 (Grace) : Flowing.
3/22/19 (Nikolaj) : Flowing.
|A4||32||WRCS032||Fred Canyon [usually dry]||4/19/19 (SideTrack) : Flowing nicely with lovely shade to pass the hot afternoon.|
4/11/19 (Uli) : plenty of water, good flow.
4/3/19 (Mr. X) : plenty of clear cold agua.
|Walk 500 ft downhill E, turn right at the first obvious place, almost immediately see a seasonal stream|
|A4||32.6||CibbetsCG||**Cibbets Flat Campground|
[8/10 mi NW on Fred Cyn Rd]
|4/19/19 (SideTrack) : Spigots ON. If you make the trek, follow use trail on the right. There are beautiful waist and chest deep pools to soak in.|
3/9/19 (Six2) : Spigots are on, nice camping.
3/8/19 (Deb & Rick) : Campground Water on, campground open, pit toilets, great campsites. Small waterfall nearby.
|4/19/19 (SideTrack) : Mile ~36.4 - HUGE HIVE.|
|A5||36.9||WR037||Long Canyon [next is easier]||4/19/19 (SideTrack) : Flowing.|
4/12/19 (Marie) : good flowing water, easy access at 37.2.
3/25/19 (Grace) : Flowing.
|~37.1||Long Creek||4/19/19 (SideTrack) : Flowing.|
4/12/19 (Marie) : good flowing water, easy access at 37.2
3/27/19 (Kristy) : Strong flow.
|A5||37.7||WR038||*Long Canyon Creek ford||4/19/19 (SideTrack) : Flowing really well.|
4/18/19 (Major Mooch) : Flowing well, liter per minute.
4/3/19 (Mr. X) : good flow clear, cold.
|A5||38.8||WRCS039||*Lower Morris Mdw [trough 3/10 mi NW]||Strong flow of clear water. Large goldfish living in the trough indicate spring hasn’t gone dry in a long time.||4/23/19||Found|
|Directions to trough: take side trail from PCT; walk west on path/road approx 150 yds to fence; go thru opening; continue approx 10 yds to a L on rutted dirt road; head downhill approx 30 yds; look for fence posts on R. Trough to your R - 20 yds. Good camping in area.|
|A5||41.4||BurntRanchCG||Burnt Rancheria Campground||Spigots ON.||4/19/19||SideTrack|
|Turn left @ signed junction where PCT joins the Desert View Trail [sign does not mention campground].Faucet by site 48 at south end of campground is closest to the PCT.|
|A6||41.4||PO043||**Mount Laguna town, lodge, store|
[4/10 mi SW of WR043]
|The easiest access to Mount Laguna is to follow the sign directing hikers down the trail through the Burnt Rancheria CG and then right on the Sunrise Highway. You will pass a restaurant, an outfitter, and another restaurant on the way to the Mount Laguna Lodge. Non-purist hikers can continue past the lodge to the Desert View Picnic area to rejoin the PCT, bypassing 1.2 miles of the trail, or you can backtrack on the highway to the campground.|
|A6||41.4||**Mount Laguna Visitor Center|
[just north of the store]
|3/2/19 (Bucky) : Visitor center water fountain on, restroom doors propped open.|
1/23/19 (Fox & Hedgehog) : Mt Laguna visitor center water spigot is still on.
1/21/19 (Stingray) : All campgrounds and bathrooms in Mount Laguna are closed due to the shutdown, and all faucets are off (including the visitor center, although one water fountain was still sorta working). Water should be available at the Mount Laguna Store/Lodge, but their bathrooms are not public.
|A6||42.1||WR042||Burnt Rancheria Drinking Fountain by CG jct||4/20/19 (SideTrack) : Burnt Rancheria drinking fountain on. Spigots on, nice shower facilities. Need quarters to operate ($1 for 4 min.).|
4/13/19 (Uli) : Campground open, spigots/faucets are on.
3/9/19 (Six2) : Faucets are off.
3/9/19 (Deb & Rick) : Faucets off; campground closed.
|Access on left 50 yards after you walk below a picnic table on the left or from the road N of the store. Three water sources here: 1) On SW side of loop at end of road [nearest PCT] is a small, two car parking pad. To left & forward a bit is a heavy metal pipe with faucet in small concrete circle, right next to a big tree. This faucet reported to be insulated and should be on year round. 2) Drinking faucet next to restrooms. 3) Sink in restrooms. Water is off in the restrooms during the winter.|
|A6||42.6||WR043||**Desert View Picnic Area||4/13/19 (Uli) : drinking fountains off, water in bathroom sinks.|
3/22/19 (Nikolaj) : drinking fountains off, water flowing in bathroom sink.
3/9/19 (Six2) : Spigot is on.
[7/10 mi SW]
|4/20/19 (SideTrack) : Spigots on.|
3/9/19 (Six2) : Spigots are on.
|Leave trail near wooden overlook. Total walk to the campground and back to the faucet is one mile round trip.|
|A6||47.8||Oasis Spring [1/2 mi down]|
|A6||48.7||WR049||GATR faucet [1/10 mi W of PCT]|
Also known as Penny Pines
|4/20/19 (SideTrack) : Water Pump is On.|
4/13/19 (Marie) : Gart faucet is on.
3/28/19 : strong flow.
|GATR road in WP guidebook is now a trail. At Penny Pines there are 2 trails to the W toward Sunrise Hwy. The S trail is the most direct. Both trails are marked with Carsonite posts with a Noble Canyon Trail decal. Go 100 yards straight; then 50 yards across Sunrise Hwy to trough and faucet. Water system is filled by portable generator and subject to outage.|
|A7||52.6||WR053||Pioneer Mail Picnic Area||4/20/19 (SideTrack) : Faucet On. Non-potable. Must filter.|
4/13/19 (Uli) : faucet is on.
4/13/19 (Marie) : Good water in tank.
4/3/19 (Mr. X) : Faucet on.
|At north end of parking area is a trough fed from a water tank [limited supply]. This tank is filled from a fire truck. Filter or treat the water before drinking.|
|A7||57.6||Oriflamme Cyn [usually dry]||4/23/19 (SideTrack) : Flowing well.|
4/14/19 (Uli) : plenty of water.
4/14/19 (Marie) : nice fresh water flowing.
4/11/19 (Goldfish) : Flowing strong.
|A8||59.5||WRCS059||*Sunrise Trailhead [1/2 mi W]|
Go directly to the trough, operate red handle for water. If no water check that valve on right side of tank is open (handle in line with pipe), in case someone has turned it off.
|4/23/19 (SideTrack) : good fast flow from faucet in horse trough. Oriflame Canyon Creek is better to collect H2O if you want to minimize detours. However the Creek is at the bottom of a climb, so you'll be carrying heavy water uphill.|
4/14/19 (Uli) : water flowing.
4/13/19 @ 4PM (Michael) : cover on water tank is locked shut but spigot is flowing and easily reachable under the cover.
4/4/19 (Mr. X) : faucet on, water great, cross road to find.
|Follow the trail marked with the sign "Sunrise Highway .25 Mi" on a post that travels along the 5,000-foot contour 1/4 mile SW to the highway. Across the highway to the South is a parking lot and outhouse. To W a well and tank are visible. Follow the old road marked "La Cima Trail" W 1/8 mile past the corrals to well.|
|A8||62.4||WR062||Mason Valley Truck Trail|
[fire tank 75 yds E, usually dry]
|4/14/19 (Uli) : No water.|
3/30/19 (Sunrise) : No water.
3/10/19 (Six2) : There's trash and rodent poop in the tank and no water. It doesn't look like anyone has filled this in a long time. Please don't leave trash on the trail.
|A8||63.7||WR064A, B, C||Upper Chariot Cyn [8/10 - 1.4 mi N] - usually dry||4/23/19 (SideTrack) : Another hiker collected 4 liters, so it's flowing.|
4/14/19 (Uli) : No water.
4/14/19 (Marie) : little water upstream (Your nearest trail access is PCT mi 63.61 (204 ft at 319°m)).
4/4/19 (Mr. X) : small dry stream. Head upstream 80 feet to find small flow.
|When you reach unpaved Chariot Canyon Rd go right to stay on the PCT. If you turn left you will go N down Chariot Canyon to possible seasonal water. WR064a is a seasonal creek crossing Chariot Canyon Rd, shade, 8/10 mile N of the PCT [2/10 mile N of the StatePark boundary sign]. WR064b is a Fire Tank, 1.2 miles N of the PCT. WR064c is Seasonal Chariot Canyon Spring, 1.4 miles N of the PCT [spring is on the W side of the road hidden from view by several large oak trees].|
|A9||68.4||WRCS068||**Rodriguez Spur Truck Tr|
[Concrete fire tank visible 75 ft W]
We are especially interested in water reports about this location. Please send info. Please place jug back under slow dripping faucet once done so that the next hiker has water in the jug when they get here.
|4/23/19 (SideTrack) : NO WATER. Tank empty. Cache is finished with only empty plastic jugs.|
4/18/19 @ 12:30PM (James) : Rodriguez fire tank only trace water to scoop, hard to get a liter. With dead animals.
4/18/19 : Rodriguez spur truck trail is empty now.
4/17/19 @ 2PM : Rodriguez Spur tank was empty except for an inch of green scum at the bottom, cache had a dozen or so empty bottles stuffed into the valve box.
4/17/19 (Flower) : Lots of hikers backed up here. The spigot is dripping enough to fill maybe 2 or 3 ounces of a bottle and then it stops. If you shut it off and wait awhile you get a little bit more. The main tank has about 3 inches of water but it’s hard to get. We got some with a scoop and a rope and it was pretty gross. The spring down the road to the west is flowing well, so we filled up there.
4/17/19 (Eddie) : Not dripping at all, all jugs empty. I took the entire black hose off to make sure the hose wasn’t clogged. I checked the concrete tank up the hill and it was practically empty.
4/14/19 (Uli) : plenty of water, strong flow filling up the jugs (not sure if that is a "secret" but some guy found a knob on the inside of the spigot to increase the flow)
4/14/19 (Marie) : water is dripping and filling slowly jugs as others are already full.
4/5/19 (Mr. X) : Look at pipe. There is a small black valve lever. Turn it. Good flow.
3/31/19 @ 7PM (Kinda Bird) : high flowing water, did not know you could look in the tank to gauge amount. I think people are missing the tiny (1cm length) black lever on the underside spigot pipe that turns the on.
This water source went dry multiple times in 2018, plan accordingly as the next water source (in both directions) is a long distance from here. Please turn the knobs/valves off as hard as you can to minimize the leaking drips.
|A9||68.4||WR068B||Spring 1.1 miles NW of PCT||4/23/19 (SideTrack) : Spring is over 1.1 miles DOWNHILL along steep and winding fire road. I do not recommend collecting water here after a long day. Roundtrip took almost 1 HR 15 min. Had to return to camp via headlamp. |
4/18/19 : flowing nicely.
4/17/19 (Flower) : Water available.
4/17/19 @ 2PM : Flowing very strong, >5 liters per minute.
4/13/19 (Edward) : Good flow.
3/2/19 (Bucky) : spring is overflowing it's tank.
11/15/18 (Jazzy) : Dry.....tried both valves.
Note: If spring is not flowing and you don't have enough to make Scissors Crossing, continue 2.2 miles down Rodriguez Spur Truck Trail to HWY 78. Banner Store is across the highway to the East about 200 feet. Water is available and hitching is easy to either Julian or Scissors Crossing.
If water-seekers take apart the piping to get direct access to the stream flow, then the residents have limited or no water available. If you MUST disassemble the piping, please return it to its original operating configuration. The residents have threatened to remove all access to the source.
|Spring on Rodriguez Spur Truck Trail, 1.1 miles NW of PCT, 70 feet from the large rust colored water tank.|
|E. coli reared it's ugly head multiple times in the Mount Laguna area in the past. Please treat all water sources in this area.|
[Cache under a nearby highway bridge]
|4/24/19 (SideTrack) : Well stocked water cache.|
4/15/19 (Marie) : cache well stocked under the bridge.
4/15/19 @ Noon (Uli) : Cache well stocked.
4/3/19 : Cache well stocked.
Stagecoach Trails Cg and Cabins 4 miles SE on Hwy S2. Store open till 5pm. NOTE : times can vary dependent on time of year.
|Water can also be found 12 miles West in the small town of Julian, or at the Stagecoach Trails RV park 4 miles S of the PCT on Highway S2.|
|A10||77.1||San Felipe Creek, Hwy 78|
[.24 miles W bridge, often dry]
|3/10/19 (Six2) : There's a little bit of a trickle in the creek but it's not looking great.|
2/23/19 (Professor) : Plenty of water.
2/15/19 (Professor) : Plenty of water due to recent rains.
|Cache well stocked.|
|A11||91.2||WRCS091||Third Gate Cache [1/4 mi E]|
|4/23/19 (Jan) : Well stocked.|
4/16/19 @ Noon (Uli) : Cache well stocked.
4/15/19 (Marie) : cache fully stocked.
4/10/19 (Mr. X) : Cache is super stocked.
4/5/19 (BandAid) : Cache resupplied, 5 pallets of gallon jugs
|The 3rd Gate water team is distressed by having to clean up hikers’ poop and toilet paper. Please practice “leave no trace” principles.|
The 3rd Gate water cache is ¼ mile E down a side trail with “Water” sign. Take only what you need to hike 9.9 miles to Barrel Spring. If the cache runs out, the cistern has water. NO FIRES. Carry out your trash and toilet paper, bury poop 6 inches. Be alert. Mountain lions reside in the San Felipe Hills and throughout California. Only approach Grapevine Ranch buildings in an emergency. Vehicles are not allowed on the ranch without prior permission from owner.
|A11||91.2||WR091B||Underground Cistern [6/10 mi E]||1/30/19 (Jan) : Longer rope at the cistern make water available now.||1/30/19||Jan|
|Follow the dirt road leading from the water cache about 4/10 mile to where the road turns right(E) but go left (N/NW) on an old unmarked trail for 1/10 mile to the underground cistern containing untreated water (a rope and bucket are supplied).|
|A12||101.1||WRCS101||*Barrel Spring||4/16/19 (Marie) : Water at spigot.|
4/16/19 (Uli) : good flow, plenty of water.
4/14/19 (BandAid) : Plenty of water.
4/1/19 @ 10:30AM (Sunrise) : Good flow.
[2/10 mi NE, visible from PCT]
|A12||104.4||WR105||Concrete trough below mouth of San Ysidro Creek [2/10 mi W]|
|A13||105.0||WRCS105B||*San Ysidro Creek||4/17/19 (Uli) : Flowing very well.|
4/16/19 (Marie) : good flow.
4/14/19 (BandAid) : flowing very well.
4/3/19 @ 2:30PM (Michael) : Great flow.
Lots of cattle in this area, be sure to treat water.
|A13||106.2||WR106||Eagle Rock Spring|
|Spring-Fed Metal Trough - 3/10 mile N of Eagle Rock over hill near road|
|A13||106.2||WR106B||Water Tank [visible 2/10 mi S of PCT at Eagle Rock]|
Maybe better access at mile 108.2 or 108.6
|4/17/19 (Uli) : flowing very well.|
3/14/19 (Six2) : Good water flowing below the trail here, FYI there are cows in the area.
1/26/19 (Fox, Hedgehog) : Flowing nicely.
|A13||109.5||Hwy79||Hwy 79 [1st crossing, small seasonal creek nearby]||There is water here, but also spigots on at the nearby Resource Center.||3/14/19||Six2|
|Warner Springs Community about 100 yards east of PCT on the N side of Hwy 79.|
|A13||109.5||**Warner Springs [small town,1.2 mi NE of PCT; WS Resource Center is at the 1st PCT crossing of Hwy 79 across from the Fire Station]||4/17/19 (Uli) : full up and running including drinking water in camp area.|
3/14/19 (Six2) : Spigots and bathrooms here on and open 24/7, posted sign says Center open 7 days a week 9 am - 3 pm through March, April & May open 8 am - 6 pm Thursday - Tuesday and 8 am - 5 pm Wednesday.
|The hiker-friendly Warner Springs Resource Center [wscrcenter.org, 760-782-0670]. Hikers can camp by the bathrooms which are open 24 hours. No showers available pending septic approval. Fill water bottles behind the resource center or in bathrooms. Water doesn't need to be purified.|
3/26/18 (Scott) : There have already been two pedestrian fatalities on the road through Warner Springs since the beginning of 2018 - not hikers, but a reminder that roadwalk is actually the most dangerous part of the thru hike. So, the Warner Springs Community Resource Center has asked us not to walk the road to the post office/grill/gas station.A trail marked w/pink ribbon goes from the resource center .75 miles to those locations (saving about .25 miles). Cross the parking lot, go through the athletic fields (you'll see the yellow goalpost), follow the trail to the top of the hill where you run into the golf course, and go right on the dirt road, soon hugging the fenceline, until you see the horse enclosure where you turn left, crossing the edge of the golf course (including travel over a sidewalk that disappears and reappears). You'll see the grill first, and the gas station and post office are just next door.
|A13||109.5||PO0110||Warner Springs PO|
|CA Section B: Warner Springs to Highway 10|
[2nd crossing, Agua Caliente Creek]
|4/19/19 (Uli) : Flowing very well.|
4/16/19 (BandAid) : still flowing as it goes under the highWay.
4/11/19 (Mr. X) : flowing deep and clear.
|B1||112.6||WR113||Agua Caliente Creek|
[near picnic tables]
|4/19/19 (Uli) : Flowing very well.|
4/17/19 (Marie) : lots of water.
4/7/19 (Emma) : Strong flow.
|B1||114.7||WR115||Agua Caliente Creek||4/19/19 (Uli) : Flowing very well.|
4/17/19 (Marie) : lots of water.
4/16/19 (BandAid) : flowing very well. Plenty of water.
|B1||115.5||WR115B||*Agua Caliente Creek [last crossing]||4/19/19 (Uli) : Flowing very well.|
4/17/19 (Marie) : lots of water.
4/16/19 (BandAid) : still flowing, it's wider and shallow here, get water at the previous crossing.
|B2||119.6||WR120||*Lost Valley Spring [0.2 mi off trail]||4/20/19 (Uli) : plenty of water: take water from the spring and not the tank.|
4/18/19 (Marie) : water.
4/17/19 (BandAid) : tank is dirty, lots of dead bugs and floating bits. Go 50 steps down the trail. Stram is still flowing 1-2 lpm with great water.
4/13/19 (Mr. X) : ok water source. Running reasonably well.
|The spring is 300 yds off trail and 80 ft lower in elevation. Trail signed - look for 3 foot high cement post, then follow the abandoned road downhill 0.2 mi. (PCT turns right before post.)|
|B2||127.3||WR127B||**Chihuahua Valley Rd|
[water tank 2/10 mile E]
|4/20/19 (Uli) : water in the tank.|
4/18/19 (Marie) : Water at Mike's place.
4/18/19 (BandAid) : Welcoming and water is waiting.
4/6/19 (Sunrise) : There is a blue tank with water right in front of the house.
4/1/19 (Smalls) : The tank & Mike's place both had no water. 0.5 miles sobo there is a small stream that is flowing.
|A trail has been cut about 1/4 mile South of Chihuahua Valley Rd that will bring hikers down to the tank so we don't have to do the RD walk both ways.|
0.2 mi E to driveway 31440 Chihuahua Valley Rd, then 0.1 m N to private NEW water tank above house. "water in tank should be filtered. If no water in tank there should be water on back porch - go through hole in fence next to water tank and down the trail to house there is a netted porch to keep the bugs off, and a shower out side." per Mike Herrera at the house. he is very eager to meet and assist hikers, they are welcome to stop by his place. (This is not an invitation to go in his house!)
|B4||136.5||WR137||Tule Creek [early season]||4/21/19 (Uli) : Damp sand and tiny flow.|
4/18/19 (Tonks) : just damp sand. No flow.
4/18/19 (Marie) : Little & nice water flowing. May have to scoop.
4/13/19 (Mr. X) : Water is present but it is drying up quick.
In 2017 multiple hikers got sick shortly after drinking water from the creek below the fire tank at Tule Spring. Both reported filtering the water, but not treating it chemically.
|B4||137.0||WR137B||**Tule Spring & Fire Tank|
[Tule Canyon Rd, 0.25 mi SE]
|4/18/19 (Tonks) : The Tule Spring And Fire tank are dry. No water.|
3/23/19 (Kids Out Wild) : our friend Inmate hiked down there and told us it was dry.
11/18/18 (Woodglue) : plenty of good water in spring fed stream. Real "rusty" after taste.
10/26/18 (Freebird) : The valve which drains Tule tank has been Destroyed/Vandalized & the tank has only muddy sludge with dead animals on bottom, BUT there is decent water in spring fed stream just past tank (use trail down into drainage, only 50' past tank) There is a fairly strong iron taste in water, but good, filterable water...
Be sure to close the valve tightly to minimize leaks. In 2017 multiple hikers got sick shortly after drinking water from the creek below the fire tank at Tule Spring. Both reported filtering the water, but not treating it chemically. Report of feces found in the fire tank in 2018, be sure to filter and treat water from this source.
|B4||139.5||WR140||Guzzler||4/21/19 (Uli) : lots of water in cistern.|
4/19/19 (Marie) : water in the cistern, bugs floating.
4/14/19 (Mr. X) : cement cistern has plenty of water. Bit of bug protein as well. Filtering does the trick.
Top of Guzzler is fragile & unsafe. Dont' stand on it. Be sure to treat this water as multiple reports state dead animals have been found inside the guzzler over multiple years.
|B4||140.2||WRCS140B||Nance Canyon [early season]||4/19/19 (Marie) : some pools of stagnant water with bugs and floating particules.|
4/1/19 (Bane) : Gross pools.
3/24/19 (Meditation Man) : Stagnant pools.
|B4||143.1||RD0143||Table Mtn Truck Trail AKA Sandy Jeep Road||4/23/19 : ~20 gallons.|
4/21/19 @ 5PM (Uli) : cache had ~15 gallons of water.
4/19/19 @ 10:30AM (Marie) : Cache full of water.
4/14/19 (Mr X.) : cache restocked and is full of water jugs.
4/6/19 @ 10AM (Michael) : no water, all bottles are empty.
4/3/19 (Chip & Vicky) : cache now stocked with water.
|B4||145.4||Muir Wood (South) Cache, on private land about 50 feet off trail.||4/22/19 (Uli) : Water available.|
4/19/19 (Marie) : water in the tank.
4/4/19 (Mr. X ) : great as usual. Lot's of water, shade, bucket shower, privy, books. Great water.
14/6/19 (Michael) : Tank has water.
4/1/19 (Smalls) : Water in tank & awesome spot to rest.
|Winter storms and road closures in the San Jacinto area|
3/4/19 (PCTA @ https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/trail-condition/winter-storms-and-road-closures/) : Due to heavy snow, the trail over Fuller Ridge could be tough for some early hikers. An alternate route in years past was to bypass the ridge and hike up Black Mountain Road. That is NOT an option this year for early hikers. HWY 243 was washed out and may not be open till early May (see note below from Grumpy on 3/22/19 on getting to the Black Mountain Road alternate). The only option to get to I-10 is back to the Paradise Cafe and go all the way around on hwy 74 thru Palm Springs, a car ride of close to 2 hours.
|3/24/19 (DoubleTap) :There have already been a few rescues of PCT hikers on Mount San Jacinto in Southern California near Idyllwild. Logical bail out point is Hwy 74 (Halfmile mileage point 151.9) for NOBOs and Interstate 10 (mileage point 209.5) for SOBOs. If you head up to Mount San Jacinto right now BE SURE to carry crampons, NOT Microspikes. An ice-axe or whippet is also highly recommended.|
|B5||151.9||Hwy74||Pines-to-Palms Hwy 74|
[*Paradise Valley Cafe, 1 mi W, water only available when cafe is open]
|HWH 74 IS CLOSED FROM 2.1 MI EAST OF VALLE VISTA /AT WILLOWBROOK/ TO THE JCT OF SR 243 (RIVERSIDE CO) - DUE TO FLOOD REPAIRS.|
HWY 243 IS CLOSED FROM 2.3 MI NORTH OF PINE COVE /AT ROUND ROBIN DR/ TO
11.1 MI SOUTH OF BANNING /AT SKYLAND RANCH RD/ (RIVERSIDE CO) - DUE TO
3/22/19 (Grumpy) : Hikers can get a ride to the closure of Hwy 243 north of Idyllwild and then walk the closure (with permission of the road repair crew) for ~2-3 miles to Black Mountain Road which will take you back up to the PCT.
3/15/19 (Grumpy) : The closed sections of Hwy 74 & 243 per above will last until July 2019.
|MOUNT SAN JACINTO SNOW CONDITIONS WEBSITE --> https://sanjacjon.com/|
Visit the PCT Water Report Snow Report page (below the other report pages on pctwater.com) for more info on Mount San Jacinto snow.
|B6||155.4||Penrod Cyn [usually dry]||4/20/19 (Marie) : water flowing a bit and pools.|
4/17/19 (Mr. X) : barely flowing but has pool. Plenty of water.
4/3/19 (Smalls) : Some algae buildup but clear pools of water & slight flow in spots.
4/2/19 (Bane) : Flowing.
|B6||158.4||WR158||*Live Oak Spring [1.0 mi E]||Good flow||2/1/19|
|Descend from saddle on trail 1 mile to metal tub fed by metal pipe in middle of trail.|
|B6||158.4||WR158B||*Tunnel Spring [0.3 mi W]||4/18/19 (Mr. X) : has plenty of water in tub. Pipe is flowing into tub well. Cool and clear.|
3/24/19 : Good flow
|There is no sign for Tunnel Spring trail junction but there is an obvious trail to the west of the PCT. If you pass the Cedar Spring sign (NOBO) you have gone too far. Make sure you take the RIGHT fork of the trail once you reach the bottom. Spring is 40 yards upstream along use trail and dry creek. The trough is slowly fed from spring by pipe. Most report a sulfur taste. Steep trail down to the spring.|
If you head about 150 feet NE from the trough; low on the east embankment of the dry creek bed you will find an opening (about 2' wide X 1.5' high) to the tunnel. Inside is a long, narrow, shallow pool filled with GREAT tasting cool water. The only caveat: the bottom of the pool is very fine, easily disturbed sediment. You will need a long suction tube on your filter system and some means of getting the business end of the tube far into the tunnel. Use a long stick or a trekking pole to get the tube placed in the middle, and raised off the bottom of the pool. Harold on 6/20/13
|B7||162.6||WR162||*Cedar Spring [Trail 4E17, 1 mi N]|
see directions below
|4/11/19 (Lonewalker) : Mud has been cleared from the cattle trough, clogged tap and dipping pools, the result of heavy rains in February. Great flow of clean water into the pools and tank, +2 gpm. Tank is full and overflowing.|
4/4/19 (Smalls) : Another hiker went down, good water but steep mile down.
4/3/19 (Bane) : Strong flow in stream. Good water.
3/21/19 : Good flow
|4/12/19 (Lonewalker) : Reliable water at Cedar Spring is located approx 100' due west of camp, up the ravine. There you will find a 200 gallon, green cattle trough along a use trail, fed by a tap from an open spring box. A dipping pool approx 6" deep and 2' x 2' is located 15 feet up canyon from the cattle trough, if needed.|
|B7||163.3||WR163||Eagle Spring [1/4 mi S, seasonal]||Dry, no water.||6/2/18||DoubleTap|
|Seasonal. 3/4 mile N past Cedar Spr jct, where PCT becomes 10' wide on a ridge "hogback", on left a 2" dia 4'tall white PVC post, ~6-8' off on a side trail, marked "Eagle Spring, 1/4" with an arrow pointing W (easy to miss as sign got burned during a fire). Trail is reasonably clear as of 6/2/18, however a little rocky in spots. At a lone Spruce tree at dry creekbed, trail resumes past tree thru small overgrown section of trail another 300' to deadend at a 200 gallon cattle trough, perched on hillside, with horizontal pipe tap drizzling into it. [In past rarely used]|
HIKER ACCESS: If problem tap is clogged, or tank either stagnant or dry, access Spring Box directly. 15' directly behind tank is pile of large rocks. At the center is a 25 lb 9"x9" nearly square stone, 5" thick. CAREFULLY remove the stone and set it to side. Under it is 4"x12" slot between large rock slabs that access natural rock spring box holding 5-7 gallons of fresh water. The slot is large enough to dip a quart bottle. REINSTALL & ALLIGN the square stone back over access slot to keep frequent cows away from water.
Note: Lion Spring the other side of PCT is dismantled and dry.
|B7||166.5||FobesRanchTr||Fobes Saddle (0.5 m S)|
|4/12/19 (Lonewalker) : From Fobes Saddle, walk a short distance down Fobes Trail, West. A thin use trail will take off to the Right, heading essentially North for .5 miles and sometimes marked by a small sign that says "water". The trail leads to a dead end dirt road from Fobes Ranch. Walk down the deteriorated dirt road approx 100' to a spring box and large blue rubbermaid bucket, fed by a forest service tap. Good flat spot to camp.|
|MOUNTAIN & CRANSTON FIRE TRAIL EFFECTS|
PCTA : https://www.pcta.org/discover-the-trail/closures/southern-california/idyllwild/
4/9/19 (PCTA) : The Pacific Crest Trail is OPEN again but some nearby areas remain closed. Areas reopened to visitors:
* The remaining eight-mile section of the Pacific Crest Trail (#2000) closed by the Mountain Fire, between Spitler Peak and Tahquitz Valley.
* South Ridge Trail (3E08) from the trailhead to Tahquitz Peak.
* Forest Road 5S11 (South Ridge Rd.) to the South Ridge Trailhead.
* The three Yellow Post Sites along 5S11.
* Caramba Trail (3E04), from Skunk Cabbage junction to Caramba Falls, and Cedar Trail (3E16). These two trails, however, will currently be unmaintained as they have been overgrown since the Mountain Fire.
The current forest order for the Cranston Fire Closure Area keeps trails and roads around May Valley closed (check the map at https://www.pcta.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Forest-Order-No.-05-12-55-18-01-Cranston-Fire-Closure-Map.jpg). It is set to expire July 31, 2019, but may be shortened or extended depending on recovery of the area.
|B8||169.2||WRCS169||Apache Spring (Trail DOWN 0.5 mi E)||4/20/19 (Marie) : water flowing.|
4/20/19 (Mr. X):Water is good.Slight sulfer odor.Drinks great.
4/6/19 (Hammer) : Flowing 1L per minute. Steep climb.
4/3/19 (Bane) : Heard from other hikers that they collected water here. North side of Apache Peak also still has substantial amount of snow that one could melt.
|4/20/19||Marie, Mr. X|
|3 x 3 foot spring box, steep rocky trail down to it.|
|B8||177.2||WR177||Tahquitz Creek||4/25/19 : flowing. Watch for weak snow bridges.|
4/7/19 (Hammer) : strong flow.
4/5/19 (Smalls) : Good flow & accessible through a couple snow bridges.
|B8||177.3||TqtzValTr||Little Tahquitz Valley (Trail, 0.33 mi N)||----- |
6/13/17 (Lonewalker) : In Tahquitz Valley (Tahquitz Meadow), the Forest Service water tap is ~200 yds past Tahquitz Creek. Running approximately 4 gpm. As you walk North from the creek, look for a large log to your right (east) about 60' off the trail in the meadow. Walk towards it. When you get to the log, turn L (due north). You will hear water gurgling about 10' from the north tip of the log. Look down and you will see a 1" pvc tap from which water is running. If you miss the log from the trail and hit the 4 way junction (which will take you to Saddle Junction), walk back south approx 100 yards back towards the meadow. You will pass through a small, shaded ravine on your way back. The log will appear in the meadow just past that ravine, now on your L.
|PCT Hiker David O'Sullivan (Class of 2017) went missing in this area last year (somewhere between Idyllwild & Big Bear). Any information you have on this topic, please contact Cathy Tarr at 703-334-1770 or via email at firstname.lastname@example.org|
|B9||179.4||SaddleJct||Idyllwild 4.5 mi W of Saddle Junction|
|The Idyllwild Public Library [951-659-2300] prints free copies of the Water Report for hikers. The library is located near the center of town in Strawberry Creek Plaza with the Post Office, grocery store, pharmacy, natural food store, & Pizza Co.The library also has computers, wi-fi, paperback books. Trail register at the Post Office.|
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