|Pacific Crest Trail Water Report -- Part One : Campo to Idyllwild||Updated 4:51pm 11/11/18|
|Campo, CA to Idyllwild, CA||www.pctwater.com|
|Never rely on water caches!!! Beware of contaminated water. Purify backcountry water.|
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|Take fire safety seriously. Alcohol stoves start fires – go stoveless or carry a stove with a contained fuel source and a shut-off valve.|
|Water sources with blue text [marked with * or **] have historically been more reliable. Sources marked with ** are more likely to have water year-round than those marked with a single *. Water described as seasonal, usually dry, early spring, etc. are less reliable..|
|California Section A: Campo to Warner Springs|
|Start your hike with enough water to make it to the Lake Morena Campground.|
|A1||1.2||WR001||**Cottonwood Community Day School (formerly Juvenile Ranch Facility) [faucet behind sign]||Faucet on.||11/4/18||Freebird|
|A1||2.7||Seasonal creek [usually dry]||Everything was bone dry even after a little rain.||10/5/18||Brian Section Hiker|
|A1||4.4||WR004||Creeklet [early spring only]|
Beware of poison oak here.
|Everything was bone dry even after a little rain.||10/5/18||Brian Section Hiker|
|5/4/18 (Nick) : Bee hive on trail at mile 9.1. Bushwhack to avoid.|
|A2||~12.7||Seasonal creek [usually dry]||Everything was bone dry even after a little rain.||10/5/18||Brian Section Hiker|
|BEE HIVE AT MILE 9.1|
5/9/18 (Haley) : There was a huge swarm (hundreds) of bees at mile 9.1 on the left in the rocks.
4/18/18 (Smokebeard) : Bee hive uphill side of trail at around mile 14.5.
|Mile 15.36 : 3/10/17 (Rebo) : There is a water cistern 1.6 miles down Hauser Creek Road off trail starting at Mile 15.36. Go left (for Nobo's) on Hauser Creek dirt road and walk down past white tube gate. In ~1.4 miles the dirt road ends at two large boulders. Go past the two boulders and walk ~50 feet. Go to your right and then go up the ravine (listen for water). Video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eqXmBcfeAw |
4/11/18 (Sean) : Flowing well.
4/5/18 (Dae-Suing) : Flowing according to another hike.
3/29/18 (Nicole) : Flowing cold water.
|A2||15.4||WRCS015||Hauser Creek [early spring only]||Everything was bone dry even after a little rain.||10/5/18||Brian Section Hiker|
|If dry at creek crossing, try taking a right on the road E & walk up stream 200-300 yards. Periodically walk up to creek and check for pools. These last just a little longer than at trail. [Beware; it often has water in April, only to go dry just before ADZPCTKO]. WATCH OUT FOR POISON OAK in this area.|
|A2||15.4||WACS016||Cottonwood Crk below Lake Morena [1.6miles W of PCT on dirt road]||5/1/18 (James) : Flowing great.|
4/10/18 (Ethan) : Excellent flow, clear water.
3/21/18 (Nightcrawler) : Flowing. I didn't go there myself but I spoke to rangers who said it was flowing.
|A2||20||LkMorenaCG||**Lake Morena Campground||11/3/18 (Freebird) : Water on & no longer water warning.|
5/17/18 (Ryan) : Flowing faucet with warning that water has been tested positive for coliform bacteria.
|A3||24.1||WR024||Cottonwood Creek Bridge||5/17/18 (Ryan) : Dry.|
4/15/18 (Cloud Rider) : Dry.
4/13/18 : Dry.
|A3||25.5||WR026||Cottonwood Creekbed||Bone Dry||11/2/18||Freebird|
|**Boulder Oaks Campground||Faucet on. NO WATER on trail (or in Kitchen Creek) until faucets @ Mt. Laguna.||11/2/18||Freebird|
|NOBO:First spigot is hard to see - it's hiding on the back of a 2' brown post just as the PCT gets onto the CG road. A 2nd faucet is on a tall brown post further along the road. SOBO:Heading south the spigot is to the left of the trail just before exiting the campground. There are several other spigots in the campground.|
|E. coli reared it's ugly head multiple times in the Mount Laguna area in the past. Please treat all water sources in this area.|
|A3||~26.8||Kitchen Creek near I-8||3/12/18 (Nightcrawler) : There's water there but a lot of stagnant pools. Also the entire area around I-8 smells like diesel. I don't know where the smell is from but I'd avoid the water just in case.|
3/11/18 (Don) : Flowing.
3/2/18 (Clay) : Flowing.
|A3||28.5||KitchenCrFalls||*Kitchen Creek Falls [2/10 mi NW]|
|A3||~30||Kitchen Creek [100 feet below trail]||Dry anywhere I could see it from the trail.||10/7/18||Buck-30|
|Or continue to paved road at 30.6 and take a left and then a dirt road down to the water [~0.4 mile].|
|A3||30.2||WRCS030||*Kitchen Creek, Yellow Rose Spring|
[4/10 mile N of PCT on road]
|Adequate water.||4/15/18||Gentle Oak|
|4/20/18 (Adam) : Left side of trail at Mile 30.7 is a bee & wasp party.|
4/14/18 (Trixie) : Watch out for a bee hive right off the trail near Mile 30.7
|A4||32||WRCS032||Fred Canyon [usually dry]||4/29/18 (Bryce) : Dry.|
4/15/18 (Cloud Rider) : Dry.
4/14/18 (Nightcrawler, Trixie) : Dry.
|Walk 500 ft downhill E, turn right at the first obvious place, almost immediately see a seasonal stream|
|A4||32.6||CibbetsCG||**Cibbets Flat Campground|
[8/10 mi NW on Fred Cyn Rd]
|A5||36.9||WR037||Long Canyon [next is easier]||4/21/18 (Pilgrim) : Good flow.|
4/10/18 (Philly) : Nice flow at the dead tree campsite.
3/31/18 : Good water.
|A5||37.7||WR038||*Long Canyon Creek ford||Running good||10/7/18||Buck-30|
|A5||38.8||WRCS039||*Lower Morris Mdw [trough 3/10 mi NW]||Through is full and flow from pipe about a quart per minute. Water is cold and clear.||10/8/18||NDWoods|
|Directions to trough: take side trail from PCT; walk west on path/road approx 150 yds to fence; go thru opening; continue approx 30 yds to a L on dirt road; head downhill approx 40 yds; look for fence posts on R. Tank to your R - 20 yds.|
|Horse camp with a piped spring and water trough. Turn left & walk 0.15 mile up dirt road to fence, continue 50 yards, then left on dirt road to meadow trough.|
|A5||41.4||BurntRanchCG||Burnt Rancheria Campground||3/20/18 (Lucky Duck) : Faucets at the campground are on!||3/20/18||Lucky Duck|
|Turn left at signed junction where PCT joins the Desert View Trail [sign does not mention campground]. Faucet by site 48 at the south end of campground is closest to the PCT.|
|A6||41.4||PO043||**Mount Laguna town, lodge, store|
[4/10 mi SW of WR043]
|Spigot at Mount Laguna Visitor Center was on.||1/2/18||John|
|The easiest access to Mount Laguna is to follow the sign directing hikers down the trail through the Burnt Rancheria CG and then right on the Sunrise Highway. You will pass a restaurant, an outfitter, and another restaurant on the way to the Mount Laguna Lodge. Non-purist hikers can continue past the lodge to the Desert View Picnic area to rejoin the PCT, bypassing 1.2 miles of the trail, or you can backtrack on the highway to the campground.|
|A6||41.4||**Mount Laguna Visitor Center|
[just north of the store]
|A6||42.1||WR042||Burnt Rancheria Drinking Fountain by CG jct||Faucet on||11/1/18||Freebird|
|Access on left 50 yards after you walk below a picnic table on the left or from the road N of the store. Three water sources here: 1) On SW side of loop at end of road [nearest PCT] is a small, two car parking pad. To left & forward a bit is a heavy metal pipe with faucet in small concrete circle, right next to a big tree. This faucet reported to be insulated and should be on year round. 2) Drinking faucet next to restrooms. 3) Sink in restrooms. Water is off in the restrooms during the winter.|
|A6||42.6||WR043||**Desert View Picnic Area||Faucet on||11/1/18||Freebird|
[7/10 mi SW]
|Campground faucets are on.||6/20/18||Alireza|
|Leave trail near wooden overlook. Total walk to the campground and back to the faucet is one mile round trip.|
|A6||47.8||Oasis Spring [1/2 mi down]|
|A6||48.7||WR049||GATR faucet [1/10 mi W of PCT]|
Also known as Penny Pines
|Faucet is past the info boards. Look for shiny brass handle. Water is on and flowing well.||11/11/18||Topo|
|GATR road in WP guidebook is now a trail. At Penny Pines there are 2 trails to the W toward Sunrise Hwy. The S trail is the most direct. Both trails are marked with Carsonite posts with a Noble Canyon Trail decal. Go 100 yards straight; then 50 yards across Sunrise Hwy to trough and faucet. Water system is filled by portable generator and subject to outage.|
|A7||52.6||WR053||Pioneer Mail Picnic Area||Water is on at faucet and there is about 18” of water in the tank up the hill.||11/11/18||Topo|
|At north end of parking area is a trough fed from a water tank [limited supply]. This tank is filled from a fire truck. Filter or treat the water before drinking.|
|A7||57.6||Oriflamme Cyn [usually dry]|
|A8||59.5||WRCS059||*Sunrise Trailhead [1/2 mi W]|
Go directly to the trough, operate red handle for water. If no water check that valve on right side of tank is open (handle in line with pipe), in case someone has turned it off.
|Livestock tank is dry and there is no water in the storage tank. Both valves are on so I assume they aren’t pumping water right now.||11/11/18||Topo|
|Follow the trail marked with the sign "Sunrise Highway .25 Mi" on a post that travels along the 5,000-foot contour 1/4 mile SW to the highway. Across the highway to the South is a parking lot and outhouse. To W a well and tank are visible. Follow the old road marked "La Cima Trail" W 1/8 mile past the corrals to well.|
|A8||62.4||WR062||Mason Valley Truck Trail|
[fire tank 75 yds E, usually dry]
|5/18/18 (Ryan) : Dry.|
4/28/18 : Dry.
4/25/18 : Dry.
|A8||63.7||WR064A, B, C||Upper Chariot Cyn [8/10 - 1.4 mi N]||4/20/18 : Dry, no water.|
4/18/18 (Smokebeard) : Water trickling at 64c in chariot canyon. 68b flowing clear at 2L/min.
1/12/18 (Brad) : Spring is dry.
|When you reach unpaved Chariot Canyon Rd go right to stay on the PCT. If you turn left you will go N down Chariot Canyon to possible seasonal water. WR064a is a seasonal creek crossing Chariot Canyon Rd, shade, 8/10 mile N of the PCT [2/10 mile N of the StatePark boundary sign]. WR064b is a Fire Tank, 1.2 miles N of the PCT. WR064c is Seasonal Chariot Canyon Spring, 1.4 miles N of the PCT [spring is on the W side of the road hidden from view by several large oak trees].|
|A9||68.4||WRCS068||**Rodriguez Spur Truck Tr|
[Concrete fire tank visible 75 ft W]
We are especially interested in water reports about this location. Please send info.
|10/22/18 (Vortex) : Flowing.|
10/22/18 : Water flowing! Turn both valves – there’s a little black one close to the spigot that’s easy to miss.
10/6/18 (Buck-30); Tank dry, no cache
This water source went dry multiple times in 2018, plan accordingly as the next water source (in both directions) is a long distance from here. Please turn the knobs/valves off as hard as you can to minimize the leaking drips.
|10/22/18||Vortex, The Hobbits|
|A9||68.4||WR068B||Spring 1.1 miles NW of PCT||6/7/18 : Spring has good flow.|
6/4/18 (Brandon) : Spring is flowing cold and clear.
5/24/18 (Patty) : Flowing ~3 liters a minute.
5/9/18 (Patty) : Flowing.
Note: If spring is not flowing and you don't have enough to make Scissors Crossing, continue 2.2 miles down Rodriguez Spur Truck Trail to HWY 78. Banner Store is across the highway to the East about 200 feet. Water is available and hitching is easy to either Julian or Scissors Crossing.
If water-seekers take apart the piping to get direct access to the stream flow, then the residents have limited or no water available. If you MUST disassemble the piping, please return it to its original operating configuration. The residents have threatened to remove all access to the source.
|Spring on Rodriguez Spur Truck Trail, 1.1 miles NW of PCT, 70 feet from the large rust colored water tank.|
|E. coli reared it's ugly head multiple times in the Mount Laguna area in the past. Please treat all water sources in this area.|
[Cache under a nearby highway bridge]
|10/31/18 (Freebird) : ~50 gallons @ cache.|
10/25/18 (Grumpy) : 70 gallons at cache.
10/5/18 (Buck-30): About 8 gallons
Stagecoach Trails Cg and Cabins 4 miles SE on Hwy S2. Store open till 5pm. NOTE : times can vary dependent on time of year.
|Water can also be found 12 miles West in the small town of Julian, or at the Stagecoach Trails RV park 4 miles S of the PCT on Highway S2.|
|A10||77.1||San Felipe Creek, Hwy 78|
[.24 miles W bridge, often dry]
|4/18/18 (Cloud Rider) : Dry.|
3/21/18 (Mr. Clean) : Good flow.
|Cache well stocked.|
|A11||91.2||WRCS091||Third Gate Cache [1/4 mi E]||Cache has plenty of water for rest of year and early 2019.||10/25/18||Jan|
|The 3rd Gate water team is distressed by having to clean up hikers’ poop and toilet paper. Please practice “leave no trace” principles.|
The 3rd Gate water cache is ¼ mile E down a side trail with “Water” sign. Take only what you need to hike 9.9 miles to Barrel Spring. If the cache runs out, the cistern has water. NO FIRES. Carry out your trash and toilet paper, bury poop 6 inches. Be alert. Mountain lions reside in the San Felipe Hills and throughout California. Only approach Grapevine Ranch buildings in an emergency. Vehicles are not allowed on the ranch without prior permission from owner.
|A11||91.2||WR091B||Underground Cistern [6/10 mi E]||Water lever too low to collect at this time.||10/25/18||Jan|
|Follow the dirt road leading from the water cache about 4/10 mile to where the road turns right(E) but go left (N/NW) on an old unmarked trail for 1/10 mile to the underground cistern containing untreated water (a rope and bucket are supplied).|
|A12||101.1||WRCS101||*Barrel Spring||10/29/18 (Freebird) : Good flow.|
10/25/18 (Jan) : Spring cleaned today and good flow. Water is clear but must be treated.
[2/10 mi NE, visible from PCT]
|A12||104.4||WR105||Concrete trough below mouth of San Ysidro Creek [2/10 mi W]||Dry||12/23/17||Jason|
|A13||105.0||WRCS105B||*San Ysidro Creek||6/3/18: Dry|
5/27/18 : Good flow.
5/21/18 : Good flow.
5/18/18 (Quinn/Cheryl) : No water at San Ysidro Creek. Only a bit of mud. You might be able to get water if you dug down but don't count on it.
5/16/18 : Dry.
Lots of cattle in this area, be sure to treat water.
|A13||106.2||WR106||Eagle Rock Spring||Great flow, flowing ok from trough but even better from spring on the other side of the fence||4/12/18||Kevin|
|Spring-Fed Metal Trough - 3/10 mile N of Eagle Rock over hill near road|
|A13||106.2||WR106B||Water Tank [visible 2/10 mi S of PCT at Eagle Rock]||Water Tank has plenty of water (cows still grazing in area)||10/29/18||Freebird|
Maybe better access at mile 108.2 or 108.6
|5/20/18 (Ryan) : Definitely a nice healthy flow below trail. 108.2, 108.6 def easier access and nice flow.|
4/19/18 (Cloud Rider) : Several liters/sec of clear water.
4/5/18 (Silver) : Still flowing well with easy access.
|A13||109.5||Hwy79||Hwy 79 [1st crossing, small seasonal creek nearby]||Dry||4/19/18||Cloud Rider|
|Warner Springs Community about 100 yards east of PCT on the N side of Hwy 79.|
|A13||109.5||**Warner Springs [small town,1.2 mi NE of PCT; WS Resource Center is at the 1st PCT crossing of Hwy 79 across from the Fire Station]||bathrooms open and water spigots on||1/15/18||Shelly & Michael|
|The hiker-friendly Warner Springs Resource Center [wscrcenter.org, 760-782-0670]. Hikers can camp by the bathrooms which are open 24 hours. No showers available pending septic approval. Fill water bottles behind the resource center or in bathrooms. Water doesn't need to be purified.|
3/26/18 (Scott) : There have already been two pedestrian fatalities on the road through Warner Springs since the beginning of 2018 - not hikers, but a reminder that roadwalk is actually the most dangerous part of the thru hike. So, the Warner Springs Community Resource Center has asked us not to walk the road to the post office/grill/gas station.A trail marked w/pink ribbon goes from the resource center .75 miles to those locations (saving about .25 miles). Cross the parking lot, go through the athletic fields (you'll see the yellow goalpost), follow the trail to the top of the hill where you run into the golf course, and go right on the dirt road, soon hugging the fenceline, until you see the horse enclosure where you turn left, crossing the edge of the golf course (including travel over a sidewalk that disappears and reappears). You'll see the grill first, and the gas station and post office are just next door.
|A13||109.5||PO0110||Warner Springs PO|
|CA Section B: Warner Springs to Highway 10|
[2nd crossing, Agua Caliente Creek]
|3/11/18 (Unnamed) : Dry.||3/11/18||Dry|
|B1||112.6||WR113||Agua Caliente Creek|
[near picnic tables]
|5/20/18 (Quinn/Cheryl) : Dry.|
5/7/18 : Dry.
4/24/18 : Good flow.
|B1||114.7||WR115||Agua Caliente Creek||6/4/18 : No flow but puddles were present.|
5/23/18 @ 7:30AM (Giggles) : Plenty of water flowing in creek, some nice clear and good pools in it also.
5/22/18 (Ryan) : Nice flow.
|B1||115.5||WR115B||*Agua Caliente Creek [last crossing]||6/10/18 : Low flow.|
5/31/18 : Decent flow.
5/20/18 (Quinn/Cheryl) : Few inches of running water and although the first few crossings are dry, the last crossings (if NOBO) probably won't dry out for a bit.
|B2||119.6||WR120||*Lost Valley Spring [0.2 mi off trail]||Spring cleaned today of 3 years worth of rotting detritis. Water is clear but has a very low flow. The metal cover prevents sunlight from nurturing algae growth which attracts mosquitos. Treat water before drinking.||10/16/18||Jan|
|The spring is 300 yds off trail and 80 ft lower in elevation. Trail signed - look for 3 foot high cement post, then follow the abandoned road downhill 0.2 mi. (PCT turns right before post.)|
|B2||127.3||WR127B||**Chihuahua Valley Rd|
[water tank 2/10 mile E]
|Plenty of water in tank & @ Mike's house.||10/27/18||Freebird|
|A trail has been cut about 1/4 mile South of Chihuahua Valley Rd that will bring hikers down to the tank so we don't have to do the RD walk both ways.|
0.2 mi E to driveway 31440 Chihuahua Valley Rd, then 0.1 m N to private NEW water tank above house. "water in tank should be filtered. If no water in tank there should be water on back porch - go through hole in fence next to water tank and down the trail to house there is a netted porch to keep the bugs off, and a shower out side." per Mike Herrera at the house. he is very eager to meet and assist hikers, they are welcome to stop by his place. (This is not an invitation to go in his house!)
|B4||136.5||WR137||Tule Creek [early season]||5/7/18 (Jon) : Dry.|
5/6/18 (Crumbs) : Dry.
4/23/18 (Amanda) : Flowing well, sulfury smell but tasted ok. Captured a lot of sediment but filter did the job.
|B4||137.0||WR137B||**Tule Spring & Fire Tank|
[Tule Canyon Rd, 0.25 mi SE]
|The valve which drains Tule tank has been Destroyed/Vandalized & the tank has only muddy sludge with dead animals on bottom, BUT there is decent water in spring fed stream just past tank (use trail down into drainage, only 50' past tank) There is a fairly strong iron taste in water, but good, filterable water... |
Be sure to close the valve tightly to minimize leaks. In 2017 multiple hikers got sick shortly after drinking water from the creek below the fire tank at Tule Spring. Both reported filtering the water, but not treating it chemically. Report of feces found in the fire tank, be sure to filter and treat water from this source.
|B4||139.5||WR140||Guzzler||Guzzler has plenty of 'emergency' water. There is a can with a rope attached to use to retrieve the water, which is about 4' down through the hole in the roof...|
Top of Guzzler is fragile & unsafe. Dont' stand on it. Be sure to treat this water as multiple reports state dead animals have been found inside the guzzler.
|B4||140.2||WRCS140B||Nance Canyon [early season]||4/21/18 (Cloud Rider) : Dry.|
4/6/18 (Campfinder) : Dry.
3/26/18 (Tripod) : Dry.