Sai's blind navigation crash course - Feedback (Responses)


1	Note: This sheet only includes responses marked as publicly sharable						Cane & blindfold participants				Everyone
2	Name	Watched the talk?	Participation type	Workshop caners	Event	Year	What was the most difficult part to do or understand?	Of those, what do you think are difficult for blind people, as opposed to just an artifact of you being new?	What experiences did you have that were hard to describe; or you'd describe differently than I did?	How do you feel about the way I touched you, talked to you, told you what was about to happen, etc. during the course?	What was your overall take-away?	What changed about how you think about blind people?	What changed about how you experience the world?	What was most surprising / unexpected?	What was least surprising / most like what you thought it would be?	How would you describe it to someone else?	What would you suggest that I do differently next time?	Any more comments (public)?

3	Anonymous	No	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Part of a group of 2+ doing it at the same time, led only by Sai	35C3	2019	filter out important sounds from the noise in the hall	sounds in crowdy or loud areas	"follow the line on the ground" - "what line?" - and you were already gone because another participant followed the line	I sometimes felt left alone and didn't know what to do for a while because you were far away with other participants	Very interesting experience	even more respect for how blind people manage to navigate in unknown territory		I can't even turn around 180 degrees without seeing or remember how often I turned 90 degrees after a while	sound is important	something you should experience	the helper to participant ratio should be 1:1; make sure people understand where they are supposed to go next
4	Anja	Yes, in person	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Part of a group of 2+ doing it at the same time, led only by Sai	35C3	2019	identifying doors or barriers "between rooms". After having passed them I felt that something (i.e. the room) had changed but locating the place right between rooms was hard.	Obstacles that do not reach all the way to the floor were really frustrating, e.g. railings at the sides of hallways where ether cane got caught underneath	Walking straight was really hard. But you suggested to use cane echos for navigation. It took me a while to figure out what you meant by "walking INTO the echo" but I wouldn't know how else to describe it...	Can't complain, I don't know how you got to some places, but that's probably because I sometimes completely lost track of where I was. Some explanations where a bit too short at the beginning, but it got better once I knew the basics of cane handling. Initially it was bit difficult to feel for all the things you described while at the sam time synchronising my movements to the cane swinging and so on.	That navigating without sight is hard if you're used to perceiving the world through your eyes. But it also didn't feel as "scary" after the workshop. Of course, relying on it would require practise but it seems doable :)	Before the workshop I have occasionally wondered whether a blind person needed help when they"looked lost" to me because they were hitting obstacles or their cane caught caught under something. Turns out, they aren't necessarily lost - during the workshop I have also been asked a few times if I needed help but usually declined even though I had just walked into some railing. But I knew where I wanted to go and hitting the railing gave me some indication that helped in determining the direction.	Definitely, I never noticed these "hollow echoes" that big rooms make (like when hitting the floor really hard with a cane). I actually tried focusing on this cues after the workshop when was walking around as a sighted person but it was much harder noticing these thing when i could use my eyes.	That I never walked into people. Actually, I didn't even realise (most of the time) that there were people close by. Of course, I heard people talk, but I never thought that I had to stop walking because people were too close and I'd likely walk into them. Also, that walking fast with a cane turned out to be easier than expected.	can't think of anything		Maybe take more time for the explanations and instructions at the beginning of the workshop. Allowing more time to figure out how to walk with a cane before combining it with additional things like feeling for changes in the room and so one. Other than that I really liked the workshop!
5	Yuna	Yes, in person	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Part of a group of 2+ doing it at the same time, led only by Sai	35C3	2018	Orianting	orianting at big locations	I was unable to find walls by feeling cold air	it gave a good idea of how hard it is to really find out where opsticals are	I understand in theory how blinds can go araund whitout running in all obstacals	I think blind people can good navigate	The winds	That i diddnt fall down over things	That you have to use all the other senses	Twitter, mail, say it	That you have a translator
6	Lena	Yes, in person	Workshop: Helped someone using cane & blindfold		35C3	2019					I learned about the difference between local and large-scale navigation and about the multiple ways that the cane can be used.	I'm not aware of any specific changes.	Not yet, but I expect to notice some changes in the future. The congress had so much stuff going on which distracted me from thinking about this topic.	How well you were aware of the current location of each participants, both when they were scattered across the large hall, and when they were close together.			I'm not sure if this page of the feedback form applies to the workshop or the talk. Regarding the workshop: As a helper, I often didn't know if or when I should intervene when the caner made minor mistakes. I guess I would have needed more instructions to do my job better.	I'd
7	blinry	Yes, in person	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Part of a group of 2+ doing it at the same time, led only by Sai	35C3	2019	Feeling different air pressure depending on ceiling height.	I guess the air pressure thing and hearing echoes need a lot of training.	Walking around with Dani and talking about what we were experiencing was fun!	I was really happy with your communication. I walked head-first into a sign which did not extend down to the floor, but that was while wandering around rather unattended.	It's not as scary as I thought, and I'd love to do this for a full day.	Can't think of anything.	No obvious change.	How secure I felt walking around.		"Blind Navigation Workshop" seemed self-explanatory, but one person thought it was about car navigation :P	Maybe play more with participant interaction – let them talk and interact with each other a lot. Make 2 hours the default duration. Bring more canes :P	Fantastic workshop, which I would recommend to anyone! To my surpise, I felt really safe all the time, and after walking around for two hours, I now really want to do this for a full day!
8	Arthur	Yes, in person	Watched the talk		35C3	2019					That's it pretty hard to plan efficiently activity in advance. Even with the google form, I never knew when I could come and do the workshop. (Especially since the wiki state that some hour format were incorrect)	Nothing	Change of wind in some part of buildings	That you are the speaker who used the most the stage. You used all of it and even the outside. Which I saw no one else doing	That you don't like to be called «inspiring»	Smell/sound/wind lecture, where being in the room is actually useful. Makes think about sens we don't usually consider	Give a mic to the person with a blindfold on stage. Cause you discussed with them and we didn't not hear answer	«People who have eyesight should help those with less vision whenever possible.» Really unclear. Like, if you mean whether you should spend time in everyday life to help you, my answer would be «disagree». But if you mean that, when we build things (physical word or computer app), we should ensure that it's accessible to you, then I would ensure «strongly agree» Similarly, «normal characteristic», I would state «yes» in theory, but «no» since you're less considered in everyday world than short/tall people you should really avoid question formulated as negative sentence. It becomes hard to be sure which answer to put, it's not intuitive. Such as «I don’t find it particularly difficult to get along with loudmouthed, obnoxious people.» «I never make a long trip without checking the safety of my car.» I don't even have a car ! I agreed to help you talk, by walking with a waffle. I believe I lost my time, for two reasons: -The time we started walking, it became cold, so not smelly anymore. Thus it becomes quite useless -This could have been explained in 5 minutes or in email. No need for a one hour meeting. If you have someone bringing the waffle to the audience, you could even ask a member of the audience to take it and walk, this does not take a lot more time than most thing you did on stage. Or at least, you could ask someone with a scooter to also walk with the waffle/orange/cafe instead of separating the tasks.
9	Anonymous	No	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	1-on-1 with me not holding your caning hand	35C3	2019	Hearing passing people and hearing their directions of movement when there was lots of noise.	Using the sound of the environment is probably very difficult if the sound is mixed with lots of noise.	To some extend I was confused by all the sensory input. Sometimes it was difficult for me to concentrate on certain sensations or did not quite recognize them at all, like not knowing how the other people would behave.	I felt very comfortable. The way you touched me was very nice and helpful, especially when you drew maps on my back. I also liked everything else, though.	It was definitely worth it!	Now I can much better relate to how they move in the world. And what they need to do it.	I started to listen more carefully to the sounds that sourround me. Apart from that I had already tried to use more senses than my sight before.	How difficult it is to properly use the cane, especially moving it in sync with my footsteps.	How quickly you can adapt to a new situation. Okay, there would be still much to learn for me but I stopped feeling uncomfortable rather quickly.	I told nearly everyone during congress about your crash course, saying that it is very interesting to experience navigating without sight. However, I don't know who attended after I told about it.	For me, it was a good experience. I would not change anything.
10	Anonymous	Yes, in person	Watched the talk		35C3	2019					people are jerks	can't think of anything	can't think of anything (already tried to pay close attention before)	the fluidity of your aikido (fluidity is the wrong term, but comes close I hope)	the various orientation methods		helpers could be a bit better prepared	I really enjoyed the talk, it might have had a faster pace for my taste (the translation team might disagree)
11	Ralf	Yes, in person	Workshop: Saw part of it		35C3	2018					Interesting and broadening own perception of environment.	Nothing	I realized there is more to experience. I actually sometimes tried to feel the ground conciously.	The Aikido part and the general structure/way of the talk			I liked how you talked freely about everything, but it was sometimes confusing in combination with the slides, especially as the order was switched. So, keeping this both a bit closer together would help.
12	Linus	No	Saw Sai walking around		35C3	2019					I feel it was unfortunate that i missed it.
13	Isabelle Dechamps	Yes, in person	Watched the talk		35C3	2018
14	K		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	1-on-1 with me holding your caning hand	EMF 2016	2016	Wind & echo			Sometimes it felt a bit fast. But I found this workshop & the experience really great, so I'm biased, cuz I felt like I'd like to spend more time wrapping my head around the navigation. I started to have a good feel for it towards the middle of the workshop, specially the feeling that the cane is a bit like a radar.	Would like to try more. Overall feels like it was good for my brain.	Not much. I thought that blind people would have more awareness of other than visuals clues to much higher extent. Though I didn't think that 30 min of navigation blindfolded with a cane and some guidance will already have some effect on my perception. Also made me curious about sensory development learning curve.	I found it interesting that half way through the workshop touching the ground and the objects with a cane I started seing some rudimentary mental map of these objects and textures. Making sense of the soundscape is more difficult.	The feeling that a cane feels a bit like having a radar or a torch. Pretty cool. I didn't think that it can actually be that useful.	That I would be pretty rubbish at knowing which direction the sound comes from.		May be let people to try to navigate on their own for a few meters. So it's 100% unguided. Though it can be dangerous.	Great workshop. I wish there were more workshops like that available for people regardless whether they have or don't have any visual impairments, also in cities.
15	Graham Webb		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	1-on-1 with me holding your caning hand	EMF 2016	2016	Comprehend the acoustic signals and echos			Slightly nervous at first not knowing your plan, but otherwise OK.	Multiple cues, all very important	I tried not to think about that. Saddened. Grateful for my vision.	Too early to say maybe. I look at touchscreens a little less and look around me.	Navigation in a complex unstructured envrionment like a campsite is possible.	Frightful.		Set a challenge at the end of basic training perhaps.	Thank you Sai for the great opportunity to learn from your experiences. I know it will leave a lasting impression.
16	Anonymous		Workshop: Saw part of it		EMF 2016	2016						i thought about how i could be more considerate	nothing		the people on the course struggling on their first time		nothing
17	Kliment		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	1-on-1 with me holding your caning hand	EMF 2016	2016	Interpreting echo			I felt safe and extremely well instructed, thanks so much	I was extremely grateful to have the opportunity	It made me perceive an environment in an entirely different way	Using sun radiation as directional indication was something I never thought about	The non-cane inputs	sweeping, texture navigation		Have a signup list and set times, for the benefit of spectators
18	Anonymous		Workshop: Saw part of it		EMF 2016	2016					Navigating is harder than people expect	Giving greater consideration to blind accessibility
19	SirEel (online), J (in person)		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Part of a group of 2 doing it at the same time	EMF 2016	2016	Mentally map. I could understand what I needed to do, but my 'mental' map of the site was very inaccurate, and relied a lot more on vision than I realised			Was just about perfect. At one point I wasn't certain I heard something you said due to loud music nearby, but it was otherwise fine.	I am much more reliant on my eyes than I even realised, but there's a lot of sensory input I'm mostly ignoring	Not too much, I've had blind acquaintances before, although I'd not heard of anyone being completely blind only part of the time before!	Not much, although I'm trying to notice more of the things you pointed out while out walking	being able to hear basic echolocation cues	not being able to walk in a straight line		The ad-hoc nature of the workshop was a good fit for the venue, but due to time/popularity I didn't get to experience some of the parts first hand (e.g., navigating around groups of people by sound)	Best workshop of EMF for learning something I didn't know I didn't know!
20	Anonymous		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	1-on-1 with me not holding your caning hand	EMF 2016	2016	Probably hearing the echoes.			Absolutely fine. Accidentally encountering obstacles which turned out to be humans was entertaining (and the humans didn't seem to mind) :)	That it's less hard than I thought, but that non-cane sensory input plays a way bigger role than I expected.	I guess that there are more types of sensory input involved than I'd considered. Wind and heat, for instance.	I guess it's reminded me how much I'm missing out on of the wealth of auditory data most people experience all the time (as I have hearing difficulties).	How quickly the confidence to simply walk forward seems to come :)	Probably the feel of different surfaces using the cane.		Not much. I did one-on-one which was fine, but I tagged along for a session you did with two people, and you kept having to park one of them while dealing with the other's difficulties, so maybe keep it to one blindfolded person at a time?
21	Anonymous		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded		EMF 2018	2018	Orientation	I guess it depends on what sort of person you are, what you're naturally good at.	They were all hard to describe!	It was good, you are good at describing things, including the details that really helped me to appreciate the other senses. Your patience and that of the volunteers was invaluable. A little less swearing would have been great! Totally didn't mind being touched or guided, and I appreciated the amount of free reign we were given, plus the opportunity to work things out for ourselves.	Such an experience. Would do it again.	I knew it was hard but I didn't realise quite what it was like. Also didn't appreciate how much information there can be gleaned from an environment without sight.	Made me think about how I take my eyesight for granted and don't pay enough attention to my other senses.	Wind shadows. Also how lacking in confidence I would feel without sight.	Feeling of total disorientation.	Worth doing to make you appreciate things you may not have before.	I sort of wanted to be blindfolded for hours and spend the day finding my way around but actually, finishing on time would be good.
22			Workshop: Saw part of it		EMF 2018	2018					Fascinating.	Seems to be less debilitating than I thought.	I wasn't aware that orientation by reflected sound works that well.		The general shape of the stick.	If you want to learn how blind people use a stick for orientation, take this course blindfolded.	Didn't really check that closely. Looked good to me as it is.
23	IanN		Workshop: Saw part of it		EMF 2018	2018					"That's awesome!" - What better way to understand accessibility needs of visually impaired people.	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a		n/a	Didn't know this was going on other than seeing people
24	Tom		Saw Sai walking around		EMF 2018	2018
25			Saw Sai walking around		EMF 2018	2018
26	ikmaak		Workshop: Saw part of it		EMF 2018	2018					On your own you travel fast!	I was always a bit hesitant "helping people" without asking, you reinforced this a lot.	As i did not personally participate yet, i tried to look through their eyes and see how behaviour had to change in the participants to be able to function.	It was very interesting to see how people's gait changed before and after the courses in the evening. they clearly adapted their tactics.	People being totally immersed in the task, so they just accepted they were tapping people or stuff.	A very interesting experience on how to experience your senses in a different way, while being led by someone who is in that position for real, and who is able to move around with great confidence.	I would start asking previous participants to look for different things, so they can report about what you would like to know.	Unless your excuse is that you already know this stuff, just go to the course and be amazed at yourself!
27	Anonymous		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Part of a group of 2+ doing it at the same time, led only by Sai	35C3	2018	keeping absolute course angle while not moving along a wall	walk somewhere where you never have been before	-	it might have been helpful to show us how it is to walk while grabbing someones hand	I did not even know that I was able to feel so much things like heat signatures
28	Anonymous	Yes, in person	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Part of a group of 2+ doing it at the same time, led only by Sai	35C3	2019	telling what direction I'm going	telling where people are	finding doorways	not enough guidance	canes are SUPER useful		I notice wind in hallways more	holy crap I can actually tell where walls are	I was bad at it	You learn to navigate with a cane and it's really interesting and less hard than you'd expect	more assistants
29	Anonymous	Yes, by video	Watched the talk		35C3	2019					It’s sometimes helpful to help someone navigate using the back of my hand		I am a bit more cautious to feel small winds	The martial arts part of the talk	„Helpful“ people are often assholes		Nothing
30	Anonymous	No	Workshop: Saw part of it		35C3	2019					Very interesting subject, great opportunity to look into it, feel deeply sorry that I didn't have time to participate		I noticed that walking with a cane is far less easy or intuitive than it looks when blind people do it				Don't do anything differently, but please be there at the CCC camp or at 36c3 so that I can participate as well!
31	Noujoum	Yes, in person	Watched the talk		35C3	2019					Blind people have a wide range of possibilities to orientate that people without blindness are not aware of. Also I learned how to acutally be helpful and respectful when trying to be helpful to a blind person.	They have way more means of orientation than I was aware of before. I also didn't know that a blind person could do Aikido that well.	I am more aware of air currents around me.	Aikido!	I knew how not to approach or treat a blind person when trying to be helpful but I thought that it was nonetheless good for the audience to make that point via the "asshole Herald".	A great interactive talk to learn more about the ways how blind people navigate and orientate.	I felt that the coordination with the slides didn't correlate that great with what you were talking about. The person clicking the slides should have been better prepared or you guys maybe could have practised it a bit more beforehand.
32	Anonymous	No	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Part of a group of 2+ doing it at the same time, led only by Sai	35C3	2019	Not getting confused by little obstacles like poles, door frames, hand railing posts, large-scale navigation	Long range navigation	Getting the cane tangled in weird small places is hard to describe.	It was perfectly fine. You might have included a warning about time-dilation due to unusual sensory situation (e.g. I was blindfolded ~100min, but would have estimated maybe 45).	Soft thingies on the floor are usually peoples legs.	Not much.	Wind patterns have slightly more meaning now. (I often wear headphones.)	How easy stairs are.	The non-sound of nearby walls and the usefulness thereof (but I noticed that before on my own sometimes).	"Experience walking with a cane."	How about some electronic voice amplification?
33	Anonymous	No	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Being jointly led by Sai and someone else	35C3	2019	How you can keep an orientation map	To know what other people do, if they come to help or just go around or if they stand still and you walk into them	It was hard to describe how you feel a crowded place and were people are	I found it appropriate how you touched and talked to me. I appriciated that you said it at the beginnig how you would have behaved towarde us			I try to be more sensitive what it feels like to hear different sounds and bank on other senses not just my sight	How it feels too see with your body and not your eyes
34		Yes, in person	Watched the talk		35C3	2019
35	Anonymous	Yes, in person	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Being jointly led by Sai and someone else	35C3	2019	Absolute orientation, location	Absolute orientation, location	In the beginning, I was very overwhelmed.	I think the workshop had exactly the right level of instruction, including not telling us about some of the difficulties.
36	Anonymous	Yes, in person	Watched the talk		35C3	2019					Entertaining, but not very impressive	Nothing	Again nothing. I use sensory information a lot already.	That people around me in the audience didn't seem to know they could use their senses in that way. And that you, while returning over stage halfway, stumbled upon your own coat and concluded 'people had put stuff there' but it was your own 'halfway stage' barrier in the first place. I liked the way you put it into words.	Closing my eyes and suddenly feel all other senses pop up like 'hey, body warmth, hey, sound from direction x, hey, air rushes, hey, smell'. My neighbour was (unexpectedly) not aware of this constantly available, valuable information.		Start out with a bit of theoretical background on blindness, on how many blind people actually go out and throw themselves into events like this. What an event like CCC facilitates (or not) to make navigating around easier for you. I saw your experience, but I couldn't place it into broader context.
37	Anonymous	Yes, in audio described format	Watched the talk		35C3	2019					Interesting and Aikido was great!	Well, I also read your website/blog before and watched a lightning talk of you. However,	(only watched talk, so likely irrelevant question)	that (if I understood correctly) US money is not accessible, I mean how bad is that ;)	The one questioner with the box. I mean, especially as you can see in the dark, you can obviously imagine an "abstract" cube.		maybe (highlight/expand) that funny things (this museum, US dollar; at least that's what i keep in mind); your slide changer did not always was on time (got better to the end); also it was sometimes confusing when it was e.g. not clear whether the ones asking questions should come up at stage or not; IMHO you could also have been a little faster and talked about more things, but that is likely due to the fact that; the last slide is kinda full and you really have to understand it first (this column layout – could also be a table)
38	Milena	No	Workshop: Helped someone using cane & blindfold		36C3	2019					It was a very nice way to connect to the person I was guiding	Now I got to know someone who is blind	I got more confidence in my moving around in the space	That the person that I guided was quite quick in picking up the moves	Waking the stairs was the slowest exercise	A rich experience in getting to know the world without eyesight	shorter time-frame, one hour exercising and then changing who holds the cane	It's a wonderful exercise in empathy and consciousness
39	Martin	Yes, in person	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Part of a group of 2+ doing it at the same time, led only by Sai	36C3	2019	following along the lines on the ground when they Change direction	unknown obstacles	how to describe the experience of how i imagined the faces of the people just when i talked to them e.g. my assistant and then seeing them again it was totally different. and how big the world feels around you everything seems to be wider and bigger and take longer. of having a sense of where i am and where i am standing	it was fine for me when you touched me you asked beforehand. you encouraged me and gave some tip for testing or experimenting to have a better understanding. your explanation was good sometimes it was hard to understand but is due to the fact that the 36c3 is very crowded and loud.	self consciousness , believe more in your senses	that their perception of the world is limited but its not	noticing materials , sounds , textures, smells, vibrations, heat, cold and stuff on the ground i didnt notice before	how big and far away everything seemed like a little child	how the cane felt and how to use it	experience the world blindfolded like a blind person with a cane and your other senses while completing little assignments together with an assistant at your side led by sai	maybe wrap up the assignment in 2 sentences at the end e.g.	thanks to sai for taking the time and patience showing us the world around us and broadening our minds
40	Anonymous	No	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	1-on-1 with me not holding your caning hand	36C3	2019	Orientation in the room, know their own position and place	unknown places, orientation at unkown locations	feeling of air, room size, underground	good knowledge about this, it was cautious, helps only when it's needed	the expierience	i have repect for the performance every day	this world is a visual world, the most is not for blind or low-vision people	The feeling with stick is not so difficulty, the orientation is hard	learning of orientation is surprisely fast		i respect blind people, help them when it's needed
41	Vincent	No	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Being jointly led by Sai and someone else	36C3	2019	Noticing an adjacent doorway by wind/noise; finding walls by echo; keeping track of where I am	The last one	At some point caning suddenly became a lot easier and I don't know why	You told us just the right amount to make it possible, but not too easy, so we wouldn't learn anything		I'm impressed by the amount of things you notice		After a while I was actually able to feel halfway comfortable without seeing		Amazing and very insightful
42	Pietervdvn	Yes, in person	Workshop: Helped someone using cane & blindfold		36C3	2019					Great workshop, very cool. Awesome alternative sensing on where one is	They are more independant then I presumed	Yes, I'm more aware of sound clues around me	How quickly my participant picked up the cane walking	That people got blindfolded	Crash course cane navigation	Clone yourself so more people can do this workshop. In all honesty, it was really good, I have no suggestions.	An interesting experience
43	Andreas		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Part of a group of 2+ doing it at the same time, led only by Sai	36C3	2020	Dropping pre-conceptions about the world I saw before being blindfolded - mostly had issues with mapping because I focused a lot on what I thought I knew, but then disregarded input from the cane/instructions about how the world actually looks like. Example: I didn't actually remember some wood paneling before the stairs down to the glasshall in Leipzig, and got quite confused by it.	Guessing: Navigating unknown areas with human/non-human obstacles.	Mental mapping took longer in my head then the description; expected changes in wind/temperature/echo to be more "abrupt" than they were in reality (got used to that over time).	Good, generally found you helpful -- and you somehow knew when I was struggling with something before I got there :)	Generally helped my awareness of obstacles (physical, mental, ...) in the world that may affect people with different abilities than me.		I already tried to notice facilities for blind people (braille on stair rails, textured tiles on the floor to guide, sounds at street crossings) before, and always assumed that the consistency of them "sucked". Now also noticed that there is a lot more you need to be watchful of, and that these facilities are merely "yet another input that needs to be made sense of".	How quickly I felt lost. How quickly my brain started to adapt.		Blind/Visual Disability Awareness workshop	For me: I think I want to be an assistant next time :)
44	Moritz		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	1-on-1 with me not holding your caning hand	36C3	2020	The feeling the wall exercise was difficult to do (but instructions were good to understand). Also combining all the sensory information to a mental image was hard. I forgot to walk or cane right while thinking about what I hear or feel on the skin. In short: multitasking was hard.	Feeling that there is a wall might be difficult for blind people as well. If they're not trained to, they might try to cane it too. As it's relying on very subtle changes.	It was hard to come up with something here. Regarding the question: This feeling of knowing where I am in one moment and in the next moment the mental image collapses and I am confused. We did not talk about that so much about it. Also this "something is wrong" feeling.	I felt good about it, everything was in a good pace. I liked that you told me when you decided to make it harder. I like that you did not tell me that there were obstacles. It helped that you told me to walk into people (although I quickly forgot to deliberately try to do that).	It was the most insightful experience at Congress this year. I am taking away that my sensory information is present at all times but that I am not consciously processing it. When trying to I learned that it was hard to aggregate the whole of it.	Not so much changed how I think about the people themselves. But what I was not fully aware that it's not rather self-explanatory to learn how to cane, but that good education is key. Also I got a bit more information about what blind people need to stay independent and that they unfortunately often do not have that option because of the way they're treated.	I keep trying to sense the echoes, the air pressure on my skin, the temperature, the wind, way a room feels while walking around with eyes open. In the last days I consciously noticed changes that I did not realize before.	Regarding the workshop or the previous question? I will answer it regarding the workshop: I found it surprising that I did adapt so quickly. I could to things intuitively and later I don't know who I had done it. For example finding my way from the tunnel back to heaven I was consciously trying to locate the escalator which I could not hear on the way. But I somehow intuitively still ended up in heaven. That might also be because heaven's a dead end and because it was straight ahead, but still that unconsciousness surprised me.	That I did not know who was around where.	It was fun! And that it's a nice team experience.	It was not a big issue, but maybe it would be a better experience for participants if the timing was more accurate. But on the other hand it's maybe a good learning for participants that you can't just stop after one hour if you're not where you'd like to be. It's exhausting but might also be transporting a very tiny bit of the experience of how it feels to be blind. I'm thinking about a frustrated participant for example but the workshop is not over. Learnings about privilege.
45			Workshop or Goalball: Saw part of it		36C3	2020					thought it was interesting and that I might participate in that workshop if given the chance	nothing	nothing	nothing	nothing	blindfolded people trying to manoeuver around with a stick	don't know
46	Anonymous		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	1-on-1 with me not holding your caning hand	36C3	2020	I completely lost my feeling of distance. Also I was often mistaken about my orientation (as in: knowing where north is), something I'm very good at when sighted. Often, obstacles turned out to be something other than what I guessed initially.	The orientation part. Distance and recognizing obstacles would get better, I guess.	don't know	That felt good. The instructions were very precise. I liked that you didn't warn me when I was about to run into people. That way I could feel it more realistically	That there's a big lot of things blind people can use to navigate (or, generally spoken, to compensate their lack of sight). I had only thought of hearing before, but all this about the wind, echoes, … was new to me and a great experience.	I think I got an idea of how being blind might feel. Prior, my feelings were sort of "it must be really horrible not to see" and I think the fact that I can now imagine all the ways they have to handle it has reduced it from "really horrible" to "quite horrible" – I can't really phrase this well. I want to say that my image of how it feels being blind has become a little more concrete, and that this raised my confidence that people can deal with it	I waited quite a couple days before I filled out this questionnaire, and sadly: I don't think so.
47	Andrea		None of the above		Non-event	2021
48	pavlos		?		EMF 2022	2022					great experience and learning	ask, and use voice/sounds, for ack, help, etc	probably pay a bit more attention to other senses when i have my eyes closed than before	that i can walk my normal speed!!	the need for a mental map/orientation is big		honestly, it was great. maybe do more of the “follow the sound of my cane”? thats when i felt i have the freedom to walk and find my way. having a target i can hear helps. having a target that i cant hear feels like exploration rather than thinking how i get there. but maybe thats not the goal of this tour, so im not sure.
49	Tara		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	student, 1-on-1 with Sai	One-off	2023	Wind differences, feeling objects before touching, and mental mapping.	Manual mapping.	I think I had trouble describing most of the experiences. It’s like I haven’t developed the vocabulary to speak fluently about these sorts of experiences.	I felt comfortable and safe throughout the experience even when I was confused.	I really appreciated the experience.	I understood more why things were difficult and more hire difficult things could be in terms of disorientation with loud noises and the occasional carelessness of others making adequate distinctions between different sections for travel.	I’ve noticed texture and sound differences a bit more.	I was surprised at just how much people can deduce about the world without sight. Also, just how bright everything feels immediately after the experience.	The cane motions.		It would be really nice to have suggestions in the talk and possibly also during the blind walk on specific ways to practice some of the skills independently possibly while seeing.
50	Anonymous		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	student, in group of 2+ students	EMF 2024	2024	I really struggled to feel differences in heat/wind, beyond the extremely coarse-grained ("I just walked out of the shade and into the sun", "if I stand here for long enough I feel the wind going sideways but not forwards"); I was also much worse than I thought at localising sounds - if you were talking, I could face in roughly your direction, but I'm not convinced I was always particularly accurate, and less obvious sounds like the background humming from some generator or something (that's still going at 1am as I write this!) were/are much harder	heat/air differences do seem pretty subtle? so, presumably nontrivial to notice and interpret even with practice. I figure things like recognising textures through the cane probably get easier with experience.	I do not think I could describe at all the feeling of being close to a hard surface and talking - it was immediate and weird. and, relatedly(?) - thinking back, when I was stood next to a tree, trying to figure out where it was, I think I had some impossibly vague feeling that it was to my left, but I avoided saying so because I wanted to have some justification (even just internally) for my answer and I had literally no idea how I was feeling what I was feeling beyond "I'm probably making it up". whether the tree was a different temperature to the surroundings, whether it was affecting the flow of air, whether it was blocking some sound - literally indistinguishable from "it was producing tree-like waves in the aether" to me.	sometimes it wasn't entirely clear at what point you were done with an explanation vs when you were taking a moment to collect your thoughts; at least once you said explicitly "go" at the point you were done talking, I think I would potentially have found it helpful if you did that every time	I suck badly at the skills which would help me navigate while totally blind (walking in straight lines, orienting myself, building any kind of cohesive mental map). but I suck slightly less at avoiding walking into things by whacking them with a cane first. and I think the latter is likely to be more immediately useful if I end up using a cane at night, because it's fairly rare that I end up in an environment with no light whatsoever. so, not quite as depressing as I was worried about. I realise the O&M skills are not actually the point of the workshop, so: it was overall really interesting and not an experience I think I would get anywhere else. also: canes are kinda heavy!	beyond "hey that set includes you actually": well ok maybe that's enough, I guess. not all blind people are blind all the time - which follows on from my previous thoughts of "not all blind people have no sight at all", but is not a logical step I would have made on my own.	when I went back to my village at the end of the day, I walked into our (almost fully enclosed) marquee and stopped dead because the sound inside and outside is so different - I think I then substantially confused a friend by walking in and out a few times to listen...	I really did not realise how heavily I rely on visuals to walk straight also: I imagined the flooring panels as shiny and black! walking round to the bar later on was very disconcerting.	I expected to learn some things and probably find it a little overwhelming, and I did	sai demonstrates an almost alarming number of senses you didn't know you had (and, possibly, to visually-impaired friends: it will incidentally also get you holding and using a cane for a couple of hours)	bits and pieces of the workshop seemed like they would be easier to get fast feedback on with sight (e.g. "am I correctly distinguishing grass from mud from asphalt by cane-touch"); I have no idea how or if you could reasonably fit this into the workshop, or if it would even fit its goals, but I figure I may as well write it down
51	Anonymous		Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	student, in group of 2+ students	EMF 2024	2024	Judging the distance to a nearby obstacle or wall	Separating sounds from each other, dealing with sensory overload	You commented most experiences I had as normal. I might have felt on my hair on my head than you, but I don't exactly remember	I felt comfortable and competently guided	I can focus on other senses by reducing some stimuli from other senses, and there is a lot more I can feel and use on my skin, hair, legs and my eardrums that I knew before.	- it's not a problem to touch someone's cane (was not sure) - blind people rely more on sound, feel than I was aware	I paid more attention to how it feels when my train vibrates during braking, how the wind blows when waiting on a station. I was pretty tired, still it was noticable	My mental map of emf camp was surprisingly accurate/useful enough	Loud noise is more annoying when blindfolded	You learn different ways how to navigate and perceive the world without eyesight	Maybe do the workshop during sunset


1		How did you participate?
2		?	None of the above	Saw Sai walking around	Watched the talk	Workshop or Goalball: Saw part of it	Workshop: Followed along, not as helper	Workshop: Helped someone using cane & blindfold	Workshop: Saw part of it	Workshop: Used cane while blindfolded	Workshop: Was walked into (or around)	You proposed to do this form before watching
3	N	1	1	5	10	1	1	3	9	35	1
4
5		Workshop participants (cane & blindfold):
6		1-on-1 with me holding your caning hand	1-on-1 with me not holding your caning hand	Being jointly led by Sai and someone else	Part of a group of 2 doing it at the same time	Part of a group of 2+ doing it at the same time, led only by Sai	student, 1-on-1 with Sai	student, in group of 2+ students
7	N	4	5	7	1	11
8
9		Did you watch the talk?
10		No	Yes, by video	Yes, in audio described format	Yes, in person
11	N	18	2	1	18
12		(Added Dec. 2018)
13
14		How able were you to…
15		Hear echoes from cane tip strikes	Feel wind / air differences around you	Feel heat differences around you	Feel texture differences through the cane	Navigate around obstacles	Hear sounds around you (eg location & number of people)	Mentally map where you were	Walk while caning	Feel a nearby wall or doorway before touching it
16	Avg	2.7	3.6	3.5	3.7	4.1	3.4	3.0	4.4	2.5
17	S.D.	1.1	0.9	1.2	1.0	0.8	0.9	1.2	0.6	0.9
18	N	34	34	34	34	34	34	34	34	29
19	Key	1 - not at all 3 - sometimes 5 - most of the time								(Added Sept. 2018)
20
21		Qualitative experience gained	Practically useful experience gained	Interestingness	Enjoyability	Pacing & ease of learning
22	Avg	4.6	4.1	4.8	4.6	4.2
23	S.D.	0.6	0.9	0.4	0.6	0.9
24	N	47	47	51	50	46
25	Key	1 - Bad 3 - Neutral 5 - Good
26
27
28
29		Pre-test (before viewing talk / participating in workshop)		Post-test		Same-person delta (pre - post)
30		Social Desirability Scale	Social Responsibility about Blindness Scale	Social Desirability Scale	Social Responsibility about Blindness Scale	Social Desirability Scale	Social Responsibility about Blindness Scale
31	Avg	60.3	59.3	14.4	57.4	0.0	3.4
32	S.D.	361.6	6.8	6.5	6.2	3.6	6.0
33	N	61	60	36	36	17.0	17.0
34		(Added Dec. 2018)	(Added Dec. 2018)			(N is smaller because most people did not respond to both pre & post)
35
36
37		Correlations
38
39		r = Pearson correl (col1, col2) n = min(count(col1), count(col2)) - 2 t = student's t(r) = r * sqrt( n / (1-r^2) ) p = tdist(abs(t), n DOF, 2-tail) n is calculated as n-2 to simplify formulas. t is in hidden rows for compactness. For multiple comparisons (Bonferroni) correction, I've divided styled p thresholds by the numer of correlation tests in this sheet. E.g. post-Bonferroni p ≤ 0.05 w/ N = 24 -> tdist p ≤ (0.05/24) = 0.002083. Equivalents for a range of p-values are below. The p values displayed are raw. Bonferroni correction is only in the styling.
40		Bonferonni N:	27
41			p-value styling:
42		Corrected p:	≤.001	≤.01	≤.05	>.05
43		Raw:	0.00003703703704	0.0003703703704	0.001851851852	0.001861851852
45		N too small for feasibly significant correlations:
46		Grayed out
47
48
49			SDS	SRBS	SDS delta	SRBS delta
50	r	Age	#N/A	#N/A	0.02	0.10
51	n		95	94	15	16
53	p				0.95	0.71
54	r	SDS	#N/A		0.39
55	n		94		15
57	p				0.15
58	r	SRBS			-0.09
59	n				15
61	p				0.74
62
63			Practically useful experience gained	Interestingness	Enjoyability	Pacing & ease of learning
64	r	Qualitative experience gained	0.51	0.61	0.46	0.36
65	n		46	45	46	44
67	p		0.00	0.00	0.00	0.02
68	r	Practically useful experience gained		0.21	0.30	0.20
69	n			45	46	44
71	p			0.17	0.04	0.20
72	r	Interestingness			0.65	0.20
73	n				48	44
75	p				0.00	0.19
76	r	Enjoyability				0.31
77	n					45
79	p					0.04
80
81			SDS post (avg)	SRBS post (avg)	SDS delta	SRBS delta
82	r	Qualitative experience gained	0.04	-0.32	-0.03	0.37
83	n		26	26	14	14
85	p		0.86	0.11	0.91	0.20
86	r	Practically useful experience gained	0.21	0.15	0.22	-0.15
87	n		26	26	13	13
89	p		0.30	0.46	0.46	0.62
90	r	Interestingness	0.26	-0.11	-0.43	0.55
91	n		27	27	14	14
93	p		0.19	0.57	0.12	0.04
94	r	Enjoyability	0.40	0.25	-0.07	0.03
95	n		26	26	15	15
97	p		0.04	0.22	0.80	0.91
98	r	Pacing & ease of learning	0.23	-0.07	0.08	0.07
99	n		26	26	15	15
101	p		0.27	0.72	0.78	0.81
102
103		Primary country of culture	N	SDS post (avg)	SRBS post (avg)	SDS delta	SRBS delta
104		(Other)	7	15.1	58.5	1.29	0.71
105		Germany	19	13.3	56.2	-0.90	#REF!
106		Belgium	2	19.0	60.0	#N/A	#N/A
107		France	2
108		Italy	2
109		UK	2
110		uk	2