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December 15, 2012 at 01:56AM@benedictlloyd@justine let me know how it goes! I'm hoping #coffeelovers can get to a point like #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 02:04AM@justine@jaison I screwed up the typing so you may not have gotten a mention for this post - but here's the final info for tomorrow's #adncomicsclub :)
December 15, 2012 at 04:56AM@jacarandachick@mina a slow start but it's gathering pace :) Thanks for all your work on #adncomicsclub I'm looking forward to joining you all later :)
December 15, 2012 at 08:59AM@cano@drunkenpirate Oh no worries! Sure that's taking up lots of time too. Will you make it today for #adncomicsclub meeting at 11AM Pacific Time?
December 15, 2012 at 09:00AM@drunkenpirate@cano How many hours is that in exactly? American time does not help me much. And I do have chores in the evening. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 09:20AM@drunkenpirate@cano Hmm..that's roughly around 8 PM in Germany then. Darn! I don't think I can make it to #ADNComicsClub. I was so looking forward to it too!
December 15, 2012 at 09:26AM@cano@drunkenpirate Hey, no worries. @justine said we can all talk throughout the weekend. Check out her latest post. Actually, I'll repost for everyone's sake too. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 09:32AM@cano>> @justine: #adncomicsclub Today 11AM-12PM PST! Discussion topics are at: Please bring questions too! @ben @drunkenpirate @jacarandachick @elyse @ednapiranha @mina @jaison @thestopbutton @shayrockhold @alansmodic @charlesg @ranti @rand
December 15, 2012 at 12:14PM@justine@jacarandachick @mina :) I'm glad Mina brought up the idea for #adncomicsclub!!
December 15, 2012 at 12:16PM@justineIt's looking like Appnetizens ( may be my preferred means of tracking the #adncomicsclub hashtag and posting, as long as the stream will auto-update! I'd love something like Tweetgrid for ADN, just for the purpose of ADN chats alone.
December 15, 2012 at 12:56PM@justineI should eat something before #adncomicsclub...
December 15, 2012 at 01:06PM@charlesgI did like the book-- it was an effective look at the early days of Batman. I liked the focus on him as a detective. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:06PM@justineT1. As @alansmodic said, there were a ton of Batman's main characters in this book, so it's a great introduction to Gotham. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:06PM@justine@ben It's intended to be very early on in Batman's career - did you get that sense or did you think otherwise? #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:07PM@justine@charlesg Did you know that DC Comics gets its name from "Detective Comics," the book in which Batman first appeared? He's a detective at heart! :) #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:07PM@charlesg@justine @alansmodic I did feel like there were instances where I wanted the villains to fit into the story a little better-- some felt forced in. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:08PM@canoT1: I liked it a lot too. I liked the way the villains were rolled out over the year. Yes, it was a good introduction to Gotham from a newbie's perspective especially. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:08PM@ben@justine yeah that makes sense, but I guess I meant more like how it's perceived, regarded, etc. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:08PM@charlesg@justine Yes, I did! But so many pieces of the Batman canon move away from him being the world's greatest detective. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:09PM@justine@charlesg I agree - I felt that way about Poison Ivy in particular. But I thought it was interesting that in the long run, Holiday was thought to not be one of the classic rogues gallery... but that's a topic coming up :) #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:09PM@justine@ben Ah yes. It's very well regarded I believe - commonly popping up on "must read" Batman graphic novels #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:10PM@justine@charlesg Agreed! #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:10PM@justine@cano I'm glad you thought so! #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:10PM@justineBefore we move on from discussing mainly T1, was there anyone who didn't like the book? Or didn't like certain aspects of it? What were the negatives for you? #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:10PM@charlesg@ben @justine I believe it is well regarded, but the Bat-canon has been so told and re-told, it's hard to know how it works in continuity. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:11PM@ranti#adncomicsclub (Batman: The Long Halloween) T1. I like the book in general. The main characters are involved as the time goes on so it made an intriguing plot.
December 15, 2012 at 01:12PM@justine@charlesg @ben in 2011 DC completely rebooted its whole thing so technically The Long Halloween is no longer considered "canon" - part of why the New 52 (its reboot) is controversial. But I believe it is still held in high esteem. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:12PM@justine@ranti Were there any characters that particularly resonated with you? #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:12PM@justineT2: Do you have any questions that you wanted to bring up with the group? #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:12PM@charlesg@justine I thought the fact that it was spread out over 13 books really allowed a good story to be told, but then the addition of the rogue's gallery counteracted that as those felt rushed to me. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:13PM@canoT!: I did sometimes feel like what @charlesg said about the characters being a bit forced but overall most seemed to be introduced in an interesting way. .#adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:20PM@cano@justine Maybe like the Mad Hatter…felt a bit like he was thrown in to complete the introductions. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:20PM@elyseNight, ADN! Very sorry to miss #adncomicsclub discussion, @justine. It's late (2.20am) and I have to get up early tomorrow. Have a great discussion! ^^v
December 15, 2012 at 01:21PM@justine@cano Definitely. Solomon Grundy too, as @charlesg says #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:21PM@charlesg@justine @ranti Some of the confusion comes as we are never meant to know Cat Woman's motives-- that is a key piece of her character's personality. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:21PM@justine@elyse no worries -- next time I'm going to include the scheduling poll right away with January's nominations and we'll try and find a time that works for you! The time zone thing is hard! I'm also going to create an archive of the chat :) #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:21PM@ranti@justine #adncomicsclub Ah so. She has her own agenda. Not sure what would benefit her if the Roman gang gets removed; there'll be no fun group to be robbed?
December 15, 2012 at 01:22PM@canoCat woman: I agree, I think here interest in the Roman was his money and originated from her inherent nature as a thief. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:22PM@justine@ranti She very much so has her own agenda. If they become removed, she'd likely just continue on her merry way of just doing whatever she wants and stealing whatever she can - her main motives this early on in Batverse. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:23PM@justine@ranti @charlesg later on, Catwoman becomes an anti-hero "protector" of the seedier side of Gotham, rather than just a thief for thief's sake. She fights against corruption & helps Batman. If you can't tell, I'm seriously a huge Catwoman fan #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:23PM@charlesg@justine @cano Also, having all of the villains in took away from some of the time we could have spent exploring the mobsters more. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:24PM@justine@charlesg I was going to bring this up! I liked that the story, when it came down to it, hinged on the corruption in Gotham due to the huge mob influence and the tug of war between the police force and the mobs. We didnt need all the rogues #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:24PM@ranti@charlesg @Justine #adncomicsclub Sounds like that is what the catwoman creator was intended: her interest changes as she pleases.
December 15, 2012 at 01:25PM@justineT3: For those who are new to reading Batman (or graphic novels in general), were there any surprises in this book? (Esp. when compared to Nolan's recent films, "The Dark Knight" & "The Dark Knight Rises"). This book informed his movies BTW #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:25PM@justine@ranti exactly - I think it makes her a very human character #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:26PM@cano@charlesg @justine True, but I felt part of the purpose of the book was to introduce these freaks, as they called, them and explain their origin to some extent. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:27PM@cano@ranti Yes, very cat like in that way!@charlesg @Justine #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:27PM@justine@cano I can see that, definitely - esp. in the case with the Joker. I felt that this was intended to be very early on in the classic Batman-Joker feud, esp. as this is supposed to be early on in Batman's crimefighting history overall. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:27PM@charlesgOops, #adncomicsclub >> @charlesg: @justine T# I was surprised at how much they took as source for 'The Dark Knight,' even though it is so different in so many ways.
December 15, 2012 at 01:28PM@charlesg@cano @justine Probably true, but then you learn almost nothing about their backgrounds or motivations, in my opinion. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:28PM@justine@charlesg I was surprised by that too! The first time I read this book, I was still very new to Batman/comics and only had Nolan's films for knowledge. That made it a lot easier to parse what was happening as it went on. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:36PM@charlesg@justine That was very interesting to me, and I didn't suspect her. Each of the confessed Holiday killers wound up being somewhat delusional, so it was hard to take the 'resolution' as fact. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:37PM@shayrockholdI'm late! I'm sorry! I had some unexpected Mommy Taxi Time. :( #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:38PM@ranti#adncomicsclub T4. I suspect Harvey Dent was Holiday. But I also believe Gilda monolog at the end of the story. I was surprised that Alberto Falcone came out later and proclaimed that he's the Holiday as well.
December 15, 2012 at 01:38PM@charlesg@shayrockhold jump right in! search the #adncomicsclub hash tag to follow along!
December 15, 2012 at 01:38PM@justine@shayrockhold No worries!! I'm making an archive for your reading pleasure later :) Glad you could join! Right now we're discussing the murder mystery, did you believe Gilda at the end, what surprised you about the book, etc. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:39PM@charlesg@ranti T4 Yes! Alberto's admission was startling! #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:39PM@cano@justine T4: I was very thrown by Gilda's monolog at the end but also believed it. I think there were more than one Holiday lurking about. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:40PM@justine@ranti T4 I agree - Alberto Falcone's confession threw me, but when I reread it I could see all the subtle hints about GIlda's dissatisfaction with living in Gotham/her relationship and believed that she'd take matters into her own hands #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:40PM@ranti@charlesg Actually, it's quite refreshing knowing somebody else (re. Harvey) was the main focus of the story. :-) #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:40PM@ranti@cano I agree re. Harvey. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:41PM@justineThe Dents' (both Harvey and Gilda) arc in this book really speaks to how morality is not a black and white dichotomy but rather grey. But I'm getting ahead of myself!! T4/T5?! #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:41PM@charlesg@cano @justine And Calendar man always went between he/she and him/her when describing Holiday. That was a cool foreshadowing. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:41PM@charlesg@ranti Agreed! #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:41PM@justine@charlesg I picked that up on my reread earlier this week. I completely missed that the first time around! Actually, it made me suspect the female Falcones at first. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:42PM@shayrockhold@justine Thank you! I actually have to be afk for a bit. Was just popping in to let everyone know what was going on. Hopefully I can catch the tail end of the discussion! :) #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:42PM@justineT5 ties in here, so: T5: One of the main themes in this book is the concept of the duality of man - that we are all composed of good and evil. What are some of the moments in this book related to the “duality of man” that stuck with you? #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:42PM@cano@charlesg Re - calendar man: Yes, I found that very telling! I thought he just wanted to throw them off a bit but then it made sense later. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:43PM@charlesg@justine I thought that was a clever device, and worked well. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:43PM@justine@shayrockhold No worries - hope you are having a great day! #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:43PM@justineRE: Calendar Man - But how did he know?!!?! (T4) #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:49PM@charlesg@justine @cano @ranti Jim Gordon is definitely the moral center of this book. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:49PM@cano@justine Re Harvey Dent Duality - Yes, the money scene was an hint of things to come. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:50PM@cano@justine Yes! @charlesg is brilliant, I tell you! A calendar man himself! #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:51PM@justineWe're coming into the closing stretch of the main discussion! So: T6: It wouldn’t be a graphic novel without the art. What did you think of the art? Did you have any favorite panels or pages that you thought were especially effective? #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:51PM@cano@justine Re roof top: It also first showed Batman's duality as he struggled with making the promise. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:51PM@charlesg@cano @justine Without all the criminality and murdering! #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:52PM@justine@cano Yes! And I liked that it gave Batman a chance to reflect on why he became Batman, too - to rid Gotham of the thing that took away his parents. (T5) #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:53PM@justineT6: Literally from the first page, that full panel with Bruce Wayne, the art style sets the tone for the whole book. Reminded me a lot of styling from the Godfather films - fitting for this book #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:53PM@cano@charlesg lol! Yes, without the mayhem, of course! Hehe! @justine #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:53PM@charlesg@justine T6 I loved the representations of Poison Ivy. The scene where cat woman crashes her dinner with Bruce was so well done. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:53PM@justine@charlesg I bookmarked that spread - loved it! #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:54PM@justineT6 I appreciated the use of really strong colors. Not a lot of shading or gradient tones for characters. Sets a very stark tone #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:55PM@cano@justine Re T6 - I loved the art! It was dark and foreboding…yes, very Godfather-like. I loved the shadow effects in all the scenes. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:55PM@charlesg@justine T6 Also, the Holiday murder scenes-- the juxtaposition of black and white and color was striking. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:56PM@justine@cano Usually I prefer a more realistic depiction of people in my artwork but this was so effective for me #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:56PM@justine@charlesg Yes! The first time it happens, it really draws your eye to the panels and makes you focus #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:56PM@cano@charlesg @justine T6 - one of my favs was the double page spread of Batman hovering over Joker in the plane. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:57PM@justine@cano Yes! I really loved all the double spreads in this book #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:57PM@charlesg@justine @cano I love expressionistic artwork like this. It's partly why I love the Hawkeye book so much. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 01:57PM@cano@charlesg T6 - murder scene - yes, very striking and effective contrast. @justine #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 02:05PM@justine@charlesg yes! :) (I have #adncomicsclub copied on my computer - then I just paste it in. I've been in a ton of Tweetchats so I just got used to it!)
December 15, 2012 at 02:05PM@justine@charlesg @der_jeff we're tricky like that. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 02:06PM@justineThanks to all participants of the inaugural #adncomicsclub 1 hr chat! Again, please feel free to keep the conversation going in the hashtag. I will be putting up a spreadsheet with the chatlog later today!
December 15, 2012 at 02:06PM@justineFor all who didn't make it to the 1 hr chat, please let us know your thoughts to the discussion questions posted here - - and share your views in the #adncomicsclub hashtag. We'd love to hear from you!
December 15, 2012 at 02:08PM@charlesg@justine Thanks Justine! It was great-- you deserve props for getting #adncomicsclub to happen! // @cano @ranti
December 15, 2012 at 02:08PM@ranti@justine Ah ya. Showing Bruce and his position in the negotiation. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 02:10PM@justine@ranti I love how Bruce Wayne's obsession with being Batman and fighting for justice in Gotham is like his full-time job. It's a really interesting aspect of him as a character. #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 02:11PM@charlesg@justine @cano @ranti Thanks, all! I have to start getting ready for my niece's birthday party. Talk to you later-- it was fun! #adncomicsclub
December 15, 2012 at 02:11PM@justine@charlesg It wouldn't be #adncomicsclub without everyone participating!! :) @cano @ranti @shayrockhold @ben et al.
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