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Question Report Session 23 East
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Report Generated:
4/27/23 2:23
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TopicWebinar IDActual Start Time# Question
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Session No 23: Pumps for the Desalination Market Eastern Hemisphere
835 8009 45174/27/23 0:4617
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1You mentioned there are dosing pumps, are these centrifugal pumps?Shyam KumarSmall OH1 pumps can be used for adding (for example) acids and alkalis for PH adjustment.
But they are not dosing or metering pumps as such. These are normally precision positive displacement pumps. Piston pumps.
A Google search of metering pumps will give you many examples.
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2I enjoyed that your explain on BB4 pump.Reza Hassanzadeh AghdamThank you
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3Which pumps are preferred by End Users - with diffusers or with volute?Niranjan PaiSee Q9 below
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4Hi, Can we visit your Manufuacturing facility.Sanil ChithambaranYes you most certainly can.
I see that you are based in Abu Dhabi. I will ask our Middle East Sales Manager to contact you.
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5Can we say RP have full line range of pumps for DESAL ?Balasaheb IngaleYes indeed we offer the full range of pumps for Desalination Plants.
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6Could you please show the image of the dosing pump? Is it readily available?Shyam KumarRuhpumpen does not make chemical dosing/metering pumps.
A google search will show many options for you
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7and any participation certificate shall issue from RhurpumpenSanil ChithambaranYes we can issue you with a Certificate of Attendance. Send an email to info@short-courses.ruhrpumpen.com and our marketing Dept will send you one
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8Please compare between balance drum, disc & pistonShyam KumarThrust Balance Disk vs Thrust Balance Drum
Balance disk suitable for use in:
Non-API applications
Non-abrasive process fluids
Applications without frequent pressure changes
Applications without frequent transient conditions such as pressure drops
Frequent stops and starts? Disk with “Lift-Off Device” can be considered.
Smaller pumps with lower flows and heads.

Balance Drum is suitable for all applications.
Unlike the balancing disk the balancing drum has a constant radial clearance set by the pump design
Balances large proportion (85-90%) of generated axial forces at the rated operating point
Residual forces are handled by a thrust bearing which retains the rotor axial position
Constant clearance allows the use of a balancing drum in all applications and it provides high reliability in applications with transients such as start up and run down, temperature changes, frequent starts and stops
Used for API 610 pumps because the standard precludes thrust balancing by use of axial clearances (API 610 11th edition 6.7.1) so balance disk cannot be used
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9Whats your recommendation? BB4 or BB3 in the water industry for HP PUMPS?
We know BB4 is cheaper than BB3 and leakage not dangerous.
Reza Hassanzadeh AghdamBB4 vs BB3 – Which one to choose?
There is no straight forward simple answer to this question.
Smaller sizes BB4 will have a price advantage, Larger sizes BB3 will.
Lower flows tend towards BB4.
Higher flows tend towards BB3
Lower pressures tend towards BB4
Higher pressures tend towards BB3
The crossover point BB4/BB3 is difficult to pinpoint in the abstract.
BB3 advantage - opposed impellers (half facing one way, half the other) means thrust is naturally balanced and ring oil lubricated angular contact bearings are good even for large pumps (high flow high head)
BB4 has in-line impellers so thrust handling a potential issue at higher pressures (number of stages) and hence higher thrust values.
BB3 advantage - axially split case - means you can remove the top half casing to inspect the rotor and, if necessary, remove the rotating element to take it back to the workshop for action, leaving the pump casing in place on the baseplate and without disturbing the piping. In critical service a warehouse spare rotor will be available and the whole changeout process could be done in a day.
BB4 pump – the whole pump needs to be removed from the baseplate and piping, and be taken to the workshop for disassembly and service
API 610 hydrocarbon service - BB3 is mandatory (BB4 not allowed)
API 610 water service - BB4 can be considered but is not fully compliant. BB3 is compliant.
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10What is the basis of selection amongst drum/disc/piston?Shyam KumarSee Q8 above
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11Thank you sir..had a great session .
Sathya suthavani Chandrasekaran
My pleasure.
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12Hi Simon, firstly thank you for your presentation. Which companies has desalination process licances and is RP approved manufacturer in theri list? Can you please share your opinions if you have any?Göker ArcanThey virtually all have preferred or approved vendor lists. Being a Global Company, with a worldwide sales force, RuhRPumpen endeavours to be on all these lists.
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13How are we routing these connections?Shyam KumarQuestion not understood.
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14What is the material of construction of the pumps used in Desalination industry?Anonymous AttendeePumps in sea-water service are normally Super Duplex (D2)
Pumps in non sea-water service are normally Duplex (D1)
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15Good jobReza Hassanzadeh AghdamThank you.
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Question Report Session 23 - West
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Report Generated:
4/27/23 12:12
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Session No 23: Pumps for the Desalination Market Western Hemisphere
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1wich one is more suit able for water pipeline BB3 or BB4 and why?Hf YiSee Q 9 above
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2Is this presentation recorded and available for later viewing?Dave MellisAll attendees will be sent a Link to the YouTube recording as well as a PDF version of the Slideshow complete with Speaker Notes (effectively the Script)
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3How is the NDE bearing lubricated for BB4 pumps?Anonymous AttendeeRing Oil Lubricated
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4Probably withdrawing question. Looks like bearings at both DE and NDE are oil lubricated.Anonymous AttendeeCorrect!
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5Where we can found the PPT of this presentation?.Anonymous AttendeeAll attendees will be sent a Link to the YouTube recording as well as a PDF version of the Slideshow complete with Speaker Notes (effectively the Script)
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6Thank you!Ahmed DarwishMy pleasure.
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