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2020-07-30 12:30:37.4 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarHello.
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2020-07-30 12:30:41.2 PDT
Ernest BruceOh.
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2020-07-30 12:30:42.8 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarHow you doing?
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2020-07-30 12:30:49.4 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYup.
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2020-07-30 12:30:49.6 PDT
Ernest BruceOkay, how are you?
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2020-07-30 12:30:53.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Good from lunch and grabbing the dog to head out in the streets. The dog very impatient about both of these things but will manage.
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2020-07-30 12:31:05.2 PDT
Ernest BruceRight.
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2020-07-30 12:31:05.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Oh, interesting week. I don't know if you got to see or hear any of the great reset on Tuesday.
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2020-07-30 12:31:17.8 PDT
Ernest BruceNo, I didn't.
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2020-07-30 12:31:20.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
That's fine it was a very on watchful episode, there was a, we talked about how it's one thing to say yes to be pro social. But then in practice, how do you actually, why what is and in force that people activity appropriate ways a member this discussion?
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2020-07-30 12:31:32.4 PDT
Ernest Prabhakarquestion
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2020-07-30 12:31:45.4 PDT
Ernest BruceMm-hmm.
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2020-07-30 12:31:47.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAnd coming up with the right information architecture.
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2020-07-30 12:31:52.4 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarCommunicating in monitoring.
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2020-07-30 12:31:54.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Your active anyway so I was trying to have a talk with agree about we discussed about how do you build these revolutionary systems and really changed the way people function. And it turned into a perfect storm of talking about the house bottom of inclusive processing. We had a situation where it and put the phone like we have six different people who are having six different conversations. So people that use the word system to be able to, the people who just continue to not using the word systems and coming up with a better one.
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2020-07-30 12:32:24.4 PDT
Ernest BruceMm-hmm.
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2020-07-30 12:32:32.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
You know auto the way that it's like okay, I'm not sure whether, I should be embarrassed to this is turning into a bit of a bottle or you later that I refer to seeing all the problems we have been talking about. So, I've been having lots of debrief with various members of the team but actually I thought it was a really well it's just really grateful for the experience because it's one thing to Siri it's mostly to actually have to leave them out in practice.
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2020-07-30 12:33:02.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And in fact, that's actually kind of where I came down to was. So we're doing a short little history with a friend of mine about how stork me, you had, you know, the first couple of agents for these god kings. What do you still from BellSouth is god I'm tired where there was at least a nominal distinction between sort of the priesthood and I'm a belief system and a system of rally that in theory, even the kings in self had to be accountable to him.
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2020-07-30 12:33:21.4 PDT
Ernest BruceMm-hmm.
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2020-07-30 12:33:37.4 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And then we've moved cord, what's called rules-based systems, you know, starting with the American revolution constitution.
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2020-07-30 12:33:48.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And what's the first thing is one of the season we're in isn't that we're seeing all the sales remove modes of new bay systems. I mean, we have political system so we have, we just have someone so forth. But, hey really slowly.
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2020-07-30 12:33:59.2 PDT
Ernest BruceMm-hmm.
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2020-07-30 12:34:08.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And when you say, say fast moving crisis like a pen, Demick it's really hard to figure out how to get things done because all the rules like some of the status stories are how, oh, most inspiring and sad stories are how pride lanx winners are setup. Standing up to create feeding program people who are hungry and government can't do anything because they're required by law to put things up for competitive bidding process with the thirty day comment period to make sure that nobody have useless the system because it's sort of USA much of the time.
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2020-07-30 12:34:41.8 PDT
Ernest BruceMm-hmm.
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2020-07-30 12:34:42.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And so it's a really awkward situation before, like, you understand that. So, we are fortunate that the area we have your flag to test who are mostly have reasonable judgment and reasonable motives. We hope who are funding a lot of these programs here or in Colorado or Utah places like that. But it's also and several levels. So, we actually have the same issue come up when we were talking about education.
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2020-07-30 12:35:12.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
System can be very rule base or record call which is very good to producing standardize output in contact. What are well understood, what are horrible for producing adaptable output in system Barton contacts that are laughter the changing so let me.
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2020-07-30 12:35:35.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
So, there's actually a week from the perspective of justice and serenus and human flourishing. What does another direction that's worth looking at in terms of how we could fix this, the world we're trying to change. We offer that. Interesting so far about how to improve it. And that is an acronym called.
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2020-07-30 12:36:02.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
That's a plus started using in the nineties in the concepts of Iraq war and counterterrorism efforts, do you see a revolver toll on certain complex and then?
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2020-07-30 12:36:20.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And that's what is the opposite of a predictable, consistent, a formal and clear.
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2020-07-30 12:36:35.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And, you know, we'll living in a world where we had twenty central with all the, trying to find the things that we've had in common that we could build large scale massive systems around and capitalism. Remarkable job of generating more stuff, more food, more tools, more entertainment at cetera.
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2020-07-30 12:36:57.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And the average person they work really well, what, like a wasn't pulling up when they were first designing seats for pilots on airplane. There's no one person who was average and every dimensions if you're a you know like the right link then you're Tauruses too large and if you've talked to Ryan, hey, your arms are too long and so trying to build for average meet, everyone's always a little bit uncomfortable and some people are extremely uncomfortable.
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2020-07-30 12:37:20.8 PDT
Ernest BruceOkay.
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2020-07-30 12:37:28.4 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarOh, but all our systems, why did that?
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2020-07-30 12:37:30.2 PDT
Ernest Prabhakarquestion
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2020-07-30 12:37:33.2 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarSo there.
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2020-07-30 12:37:34.0 PDT
Ernest BruceMm-hmm.
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2020-07-30 12:37:35.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Okay I'll somebody else, somebody else's bugging me. Oh, sorry, wait, did you, is that okay? The problem is.
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2020-07-30 12:37:40.0 PDT
Ernest BruceMm-hmm.
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2020-07-30 12:37:43.4 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
It's mostly we have to change our systems to be flexible on that adaptive a pressing achievements on the fringes our system as a whole. Don't feel well with individuality. We don't feel what else is on a second because they were designed to treat information about how the world has changed its treated as a defect to be stamped out rather than information to adapt to.
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2020-07-30 12:38:14.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
You experienced that in your schooling system but in general or even in many cup rations at apple apartment. We had a pretty free and open culture of speaking out something wrong wasn't gonna work you're sure speak up and you'd argue about it with your boss and your peers and if they wanna port it up I have discovered that the rest of the world is not always work that way.
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2020-07-30 12:38:29.2 PDT
Ernest BruceMm-hmm.
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2020-07-30 12:38:44.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
A lot of people do not want to hear bad news. They don't wanna hear how the system is broken. And so the interesting question then is purely if you want to build a system that is adaptive.
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2020-07-30 12:38:44.2 PDT
Ernest BruceYup.
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2020-07-30 12:39:00.2 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
That response to the world as it is rather than the world we perceive when we built the system different set of building blocks. And so that was a crisis I say where Greg reset group okay. I do not magician. And people tell me they want to see the making forward progress. They wanna feel like we're doing something concrete not just targeting with each other that creates a certain on the, on the other hand I don't want to do it the top down when I saying this is my group here the walls or on the expert you should look at the beginning of the very thing we're particularly.
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2020-07-30 12:39:41.0 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAnd so.
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2020-07-30 12:39:44.9 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarWe've had the new things we are selling them said to be better than that.
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2020-07-30 12:39:50.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
People of a reactive against the word, just most of them picking up as a formal system where it's you know something that really strict rules and regulations and top down control. Fiber networks have a conflict with doctor system. We're really, it's about having a set of practices that you follow to help you get better results, and so, those are the other critique was that this is Lily focus on the outputs where the internal relationship.
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2020-07-30 12:40:23.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarSo, so okay, let's talk about relational practice.
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2020-07-30 12:40:27.2 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Then have some traction with that phrase and the reason this is interesting to me is that in some ways we talked about and changing all the institution really trying to do in the hopefully the most authentic and benign way possible is the program she manatee that makes sense.
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2020-07-30 12:40:53.8 PDT
Ernest BruceMm-hmm.
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2020-07-30 12:40:55.4 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Yeah, so this is we have a set of burn behaviors learn helplessness question, what's Raul, whatever techniques. But when you're trying to create a healthy pro social environment just the unknown those behaviors and replace them with better one that are more effective.
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2020-07-30 12:41:18.2 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And usually the way we do this isn't a top down way when we set up people as a forty figures and role models and we just don't pay them and you know, consciously or on consciously mirror and reflect their behavior. We scrape all sorts of useful societal benefits for those. We're currently in charge and also about the dysfunction down the route.
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2020-07-30 12:41:42.2 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
So the alternative I've been playing with this week is something that I call a relational practice. Actually the first practices the meta packs of I'm just writing these things down health for meditative practices are you familiar with that term?
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2020-07-30 12:42:02.9 PDT
Ernest Prabhakarquestion
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2020-07-30 12:42:09.4 PDT
Ernest BruceYeah, like you know I get here.
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2020-07-30 12:42:11.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarYeah.
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2020-07-30 12:42:14.1 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
You're in California buckets of what those are never heard the term really till I came to California maybe not even until the last decade or so but the people who do yoga they talking about having a practice.
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2020-07-30 12:42:27.2 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Certainly, no more informal sense we say that yeah I'm going to practice my staff to ball or my free round.
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2020-07-30 12:42:33.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Of, of practice. One thing I love about it is that the teachers no actually true but just wanted to talk about it is the basement lender that, this is a practice I'm doing. I can show you my practice you can add it to your stable of things to do. It's not a, it's not, this is something you must do, it's, hey so that you can do.
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2020-07-30 12:42:59.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And so I've been talking with him. If he has a B. assembling a database of relational practices and maybe the way we save world and civilization ng, manatee is by just documenting the practices we live by and letting people see how they work out and then we'll all, so the day ten figure out how to adapt or improve upon them to get better outcomes, are functioning different content.
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2020-07-30 12:43:36.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
What's funny about this? Is this the best Roma, why Kim up with what does to layman's ration for it. What is the, is the unit name page, your member those?
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2020-07-30 12:43:38.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakarquestion
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2020-07-30 12:43:49.0 PDT
Ernest BruceYes, score.
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2020-07-30 12:43:50.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Yes I don't know if you ever had to generate them use those we got a few of those for some of the you right, okay.
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2020-07-30 12:43:54.4 PDT
Ernest BruceI wrote some yes.
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2020-07-30 12:43:58.2 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And it has like a a name a smart to strip shin a how to you section. And then a bunch of description and details around that. And I was just give me like we're having these arguments about what to do both passively as specifically people kept using different phrases like when you listen to me today or we need to a lot of each other, we need to listen to god it's like.
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2020-07-30 12:44:08.8 PDT
Ernest BruceMm-hmm.
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2020-07-30 12:44:25.4 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
When you say that you could mean that in a really helpful and healthy worry we're really cold and intellectual worry. Don't even know what you're talking about really and I'll react place to my most what spirits how someone who said something similar interactive with me?
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2020-07-30 12:44:44.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Okay, let's just write this down in a standard format. The other thing that's still from his this idea of user stories have you ever run into those? They've been after your time, it was a big thing and agile and explain programming.
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2020-07-30 12:44:53.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakarquestion
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2020-07-30 12:44:59.2 PDT
Ernest BruceYeah, well.
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2020-07-30 12:45:03.4 PDT
Ernest BruceMm-hmm yeah that.
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2020-07-30 12:45:03.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
As a blank, I want to blank, so that way, why the feature requirements for users or feature name. Anyway, I got to that into a phrase like when in a certain contacts why Burton action. So that I get certain result.
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2020-07-30 12:45:13.6 PDT
Ernest BruceHey.
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2020-07-30 12:45:27.2 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Then I thought about that. You're trying to synthesize all these things that I said, dude. That's what actually bugs me about this whole education. It says if you have a problem, this is the solution, and if it doesn't work, you're doing it wrong.
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2020-07-30 12:45:46.4 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarThat's kind of the implicit message the.
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2020-07-30 12:45:50.3 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Systems are based around the forwarding and saying like look this is how you do things don't, no, don't hit your sister. Don't push the blog, the swing sets and don't want to get the forty and bill things were all useful, certain contacts incredibly toxic and others. And so the idea is to say rather than being a top down here's what you must do we locked in this context when I do this, I get this resolved.
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2020-07-30 12:46:21.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
People can, are empowered but also challenge the one they are in a similar contacts. Maybe. If I try rather than just no imposing order before Seville maybe if I tried to listen to other people and it's always there. If you point I will get the other outcome which is the one I get than that. And the other thing that's important I think, it's a tools, I'll from people or even a formal system.
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2020-07-30 12:46:56.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And external WiFi I can create critique boy the practice of just like a PDF, right? I think she could document and we can agree on the documents even if you disagree but all the other stuff it creates the artifact and I think that no well huddle myself to maybe this is a critical me.
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2020-07-30 12:47:23.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
That could actually get us to where we want to go. This idea of external licensing practices and not even pulling them best practices just.
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2020-07-30 12:47:35.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And just publishing them somewhere where people can say, hey this is the purchases we live by for how to resolve conflict. Put it behind system, it cetera et cetera and so forth and that we live, we develop them, model them and then we promote them. Not as a top down this is how you subway but hey, this is what we've done that works for us. So far, what is midafternoon, adopted and they'll help you get better outcomes, it's trying to create hey, scientific revolution around seeming behavior.
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2020-07-30 12:48:08.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And he was society where you could imagine a future there. I am on July 30 twenty.
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2020-07-30 12:48:14.7 PDT
Ernest Prabhakardate
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2020-07-30 12:48:18.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
I can imagine a future we're every community how's Alyssa practices, practices they use to to find who they are you're supposed to member but the for like the eighties hardly anybody had corporate mission statement or corporate values you remember all these things was the big deal to get together and talk about your mission and your values.
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2020-07-30 12:48:44.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Yeah and like it wasn't me was have the complaints but it was like the eighties and nineties became a cultural phenomenon everyone started talking about these things but most of them were harmless a number of them we're encouraging and some of them were just downgrade crazy in terms of boy and then live exactly opposite so.
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2020-07-30 12:49:07.4 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
This nature it in the busing also it's a horrible ways to but at the very least at elevate the level of compensation and wonderful phrase like her. And I also discuss this is vans when they invented better methods for resolving conflicts.
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2020-07-30 12:49:26.0 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Oh, so for example one of the first one was the trial by combo like if you see someone amber, someone that was on the road and kill them you actually gonna meet them in a fair fight on a level playing field. It was better than the role gamble most of the time and then we went from trial by combat to a trial by the kids.
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2020-07-30 12:49:27.4 PDT
Ernest BruceSee.
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2020-07-30 12:49:47.6 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarWhere you'll Leslie salary but more.
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2020-07-30 12:49:51.2 PDT
Ernest PrabhakarAnd then we went to like call by jury.
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2020-07-30 12:49:54.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
As the way we want me conflict and then one way of looking for financing revolution is this idea of on top of this and period your paper was the way it was all being conflict.
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2020-07-30 12:50:06.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And you know it's a little while for the kit get ironed out, isn't this isn't even a tore of spice team lead that's another scientist so that age and so he didn't get rid of fight, fight, fight scientist but here's the way you have the bike didn't actually resolve things with the principles that meeting. To what clear for everyone else. Watching she's back and understand that this isn't what was the state Francis debate and I have lots of precision about the debate process put them people I think yelling point tomatoes of each other's although denim that's what the base with teams like but the anyway.
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2020-07-30 12:50:50.6 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
Our own little tried oh, publishing and editing best practices that's what actually fundamentally change the way we handle this agreement and how we decide who's in and out and how we side who the respective to trust and, and, the other big benefit for this from my perspective is that one of the things that the things was insiders smell fighters insiders. No, and they know how to explain to me.
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2020-07-30 12:51:18.2 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And you know it's helpful when people are learning but then after a while it become a car.
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2020-07-30 12:51:18.4 PDT
Ernest BruceHey.
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2020-07-30 12:51:25.4 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
So, I can imagine the not too distant future lies having a handful of community community we actually publish all our rules of practice, relational practice. This is how we really to each other it's like, oh we're having a problem. The problem looks like this therefore, we're gonna employ this practice and the plan is to say it's not to say that no that's gonna cover everything, you know it's not like you have to tell me so, okay, so the projects we have but then this thing isn't okay we have a practice for helping us for the situation let's use that practice oh, you get over my dog so rather than going to court or getting go fight we hold the neighborhood council and we was obviously that's our neighborhood practice for how we resolve these sorts of issues.
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2020-07-30 12:52:12.8 PDT
Ernest Prabhakar
And then you say, okay, but he had a situation where it will, the default behavior is to go with the publish practice. Okay, yup, that is the practice. So we still have to be honest about everyone has to see the process and it was transparent, no secret from you know no, we writing history. Right? It's all get held in hashtags and what whatever you can change the pass to people we know what it used to be like and who said we're going to change it and there has to be a metal process for how you that'd be things.
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2020-07-30 12:52:13.0 PDT
Ernest BruceHey.
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2020-07-30 12:52:31.6 PDT
Ernest BruceHey.