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How many times have you attended, if any?Why do you currently not attend?If you have attended meetups, was there anything that you particularly liked about them?General feedback about this meetup?Anonymous identifier
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3- I feel intimidated, not rational/smart enough.
- The last time I attended (an informal) part of the meeting was focused on very specific technology aspects, which made me feel quite lost, since I have very limited knowledge of technology (I'm in the social "sciences")
- The lack of clear objectives
- The people were nice, and had rational habits that I have since made part of my life, or that I would like to adopt in the future. y
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1"came once, but it's usually not convenient"

haven't been around on a Sunday for a very long time

kind of inconvenient in the middle of the day
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10(Note: I have been attending, though rather irregularly, on the order of once a month.)

Mostly because the meetup is in Berkeley and I'm in SF.
Good conversations, useful new perspectives, plus occasionally helpful life hacks to try out.The agenda is minimal and often the conversation derails into topics that are only interesting to a small subset of the group. Some additional structure might help.
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51. The time and place. I lived in Brooklyn, and the meetings were held in Manhattan. This would not be so bad (the subway exists, after all), except that the meetings were held on Tuesday nights. That is silly. "Weekday night in a different borough" is a horribly inconvenient time and place for anyone who works or attends school.

2. It felt insular and thus exclusionary. The NYC rationalist community is famously a *community*, not just a meetup group; it's made up of people who are all friends (having become so via the rationalist community itself) and are close with each other. That's well and good, but it makes people outside their group uncomfortable at the meetups. (The fact that they have some strange social-interaction norms doesn't help. Not that there's anything *wrong* with their norms; but they're not what I, or most people, are used to.)

3. It wasn't as much fun as I'd hoped.
All the people I met seemed both intelligent (almost everyone I met seemed smarter than me — it was both exciting and intimidating) and nice.y
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01) Fear other attendees to be too nerdy.

Specifically (worst case scenario): bad humor (excessive quotation, bad timing?), excessive pride at non-conformity, too much self-deprecation, bad at small talk ...

Specifically (likelier but bad scenario): people who are 'greeters' / supposed to engage new people are either not sufficiently extroverted or not sufficiently socially skilled.

I would give about even odds that some social element of meetup would be offputting for me.

2) Laziness

3) Is there even a London meetup? It's not clear ...
I would give about even odds that some social element of meetup would be offputting for me.
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31) Somehow I always seem to have something to do on Saturday, or I'm catching up on sleep / being lazy.

2) I worry that I'm not interesting/prestigious/high-status enough to have anything to say or contribute, compared to the others who have college degrees and white-collar careers. Also, these days, I try to cut back on the time I spend on LW, so I often haven't read the recent LW topics of discussion.

I can't honestly say which is the main reason.
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Zero. A couple of reasons.

The first is that, while I've read the sequences for a couple years now, off and on, I hardly consider myself a rationalist in practice. I don't know what I'm expecting, but my life is a far stretch from organized, productive, and recursively improving, despite heavy efforts. It has been improving though.

Another is that, considering the discussions I've seen on the site, there's little doubt in my mind that I'll find myself out of league.

The third is that, being fifteen, I'm not looking forward to being the youngest person in a room full of thinkers. I'm aware that a large part of my ego structure has been built around the fact that I've always been the smartest among my peers. I don't look forward to going from that to the lowest rung of the a higher group.

Another word for it would be cowardice.

The last and perhaps most important reason is location. My family works at home, and I live far north of Los Angeles, and east of San Diego, making it an hour and a half drive to either meetup. This is made all the more difficult by the fact that we rarely have a car. I can't drive yet, and I'm not really interested in eating up a full four hours of my parents' time, simply so I can have my ego broken down painfully while I listen to more intelligent people talk about complex math and probability.

The car issue is likely to change soon, but the other problems are not. This about sums up my reasons for lack of attendance.


I'm afraid I haven't tried it yet, and an unable to comment. y
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0As far as I know, there's no Facebook-like social element to the meetups on the LessWrong site. If there was, say, a meetup.com page, I think I would be more inclined to go. As it is, I'm always a bit nervous that I'll be the only person there!
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0At first I signed up because it isn´t too far away from where I live, but I don´t drive and the public transport connection is quite bad I have yet to be bothered enough to go.
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0Because of the Cambridge people I know on LW, none of the cool ones attend. It seems like a superrationality problem where all of the cool people have decided that "nah, the other cool people won't go, there's far more exciting things to do with my life than socialise with uncool people I barely know from online". It doesn't help that there are in fact lots of more exciting things to do in Cambridge literally all the time.
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4Boring and unproductive.

I think I could have really interesting conversations If I were to meet the same people for a 1on1 conversation, but on a group level, the conversation fails miserably.

- probable cause:
the conversation is not allowed to flow "naturally", instead it is broken by:
(1) premature commitment to a specific conversation topic, and then forcing the conversation back to that topic whenever it meanders of
(2) trying to have everybody get his/her fair share of the conversation


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manyChronic schedule conflict. Not the fault of the group; I just wish I could go back again!The location is superb.y
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0Community on LW.com has not demonstrated I would enjoy interacting in person.y
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0Deterred by it being held at a private residence or one member's workplace - this is not neutral ground, and gives (correctly or not) the impression that there is a well-established clique to break into. Strongly urge all general-purpose or "recruiting" meetups to be in public space.

Also deterred by overall LW culture which derides concepts of privilege and social justice and exalts fads like paleo diet and PUA. These aren't criticisms of my local LW meetup specifically, but are enough to significantly deter me and many friends from attending any LW meetup anywhere.
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3Discussion topics varying less often than I'd like / easiness of talking to other / more people lower than I'd like.

Also, it's far away!
Interesting talk about practical rationality, things that people use themselves that improve their productivity.Good, generally! Glad it exists even though haven't been in over a year...
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2Doesn't feel like a good use of my time. I am not learning much there. The people there are not particularly impressive, accomplished, or smart. It's not that fun.
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4Each time I have been there has been a gap of ~ 10 months before I go again.

The first time I went, I was aggravated that the discussion was held in a round-table that facilitated 2 people dominating the conversation. The conversation was boring and mainly people quoting HPMOR.

I went when Jaan Tallinn came, for obvious reasons. That was good, except for the elderly gent repeatedly asking him about what he should do when visiting Estonia.

I've also attended a couple more, and was annoyed multiple times at the general layout of conversation. Specifically, that a few people dominated the conversation and that these people were self-selected for confidence and not knowledge.

Also perhaps tangential, but I got massive rage the last time I went because there was someone bringing up less-wrong taboo subjects by name as a joke.
James Brooks' sessions.
Also, I have attended his entire 'goal-setting' course (~ 4 sessions) which was held on Monday evenings mainly (evenings are better for me in general).

There are many interesting people at the meeting and it's probably one of the highest intelligence groups I interact with.
I feel like I would go to more meetings if they focused on instrumental rationality. The pub meetings I've been to (with the exception of James' feedback from going to a workshop in California) are mainly purposeless group chats.

I would love a speed-dating arrangement where you had in-depth conversations with few people.
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0Either location is 3h away.y
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3Going places is a pain, I usually forget about it, and I see most of my rationalist friends at more interesting events other times and meet as many rationalist strangers as interest me at better events other times.
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20Group can be run but I don't connect with the people as deeply as many of them connect with each other and I feel people won't understand me. The group is also fairly homogenous and very willing to defend cultural appropriation.See aboveIn general the groups seems like a place where people who aren't accustomized to socializing can socialize and have fun, but they can be cultish and it's often not worth while to discuss dissenting opinions.y
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4+Held at a bad time for me because I prioritize face-time with my family over LW meetups and find it difficult to justify time away from home to my significant other before toddler goes to bed.

I greatly admire Zvi and Laura's commitment to the LW community by continuing to plan to host LW meetups after their first child is delivered.
Everything. Great fun. If we had no kids, I'd probably attend almost every meetup.

Having children puts a big damper on social activities after 5PM.
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0I am not aware of any within easy travel distanceI have not attended any meetupsI would most likely go if there was a meetup within easy travel distancey
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15I attend periodically depending on the current state of the group. I've mainly lost enthusiasm because of some of the other members.

Many of them are rude and inappropriate. They talk over the organizer and refuse to let anyone else in to conversation. Conversation gets unreasonably heated over small things. One member in particular is particularly petty and arrogant, and enjoys tearing other people down in an attempt to make himself look more intelligent and makes no effort to be reasonable or agreeable.

Another group member who attended infrequently would message me after meetups and harass me, oscillating between gendered slurs, proclamations of love, and sexual harassment. I cut contact with him and he stopped attending meetups.

Also, while they're not boring, they're not very interesting. Usually even interesting conversations quickly become minor squabbling about details that are only trivially related.
I've met a few really fantastic people because of these meetups that I wouldn't have met otherwise. I really like the opportunity to meet agreeable, interesting, and more similar people.
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2I didn't really enjoy it that much. Other people already knew each other and I just felt like the odd person out. I'm thinking about going back sometime soon, though.Well, talking about Less Wrong articles is pretty cool. Most people don't know about them haha.
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4I do attend now and then when I think the topic sounds interesting. However, before I started coming, I expected the meetups to be a place where I could actively improve my skill as a rationalist, which was only slightly the case. Instead, they have mostly been presentations of reasonable (but not great) quality about some person's interesting idea, followed by discussions that are interesting but not always that fruitful. I didn't quite get out of them what I had hoped, so I only attend now and then.I do enjoy spending time with lots of like-minded good people, and as social gatherings, the meetups are quite successful. It's a lot of fun to play games afterwards.Despite my critiques, I think a bigger reason I don't attend regularly is because I've had trouble making it a habit and carving out time for it. Time management is currently not one of my strengths, but I'm working on it.y
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multiple dozensI do attend. But I have stuff to say about one-timers. Some of them seem deeply interested in Less Wrong, and don't attend because of scheduling conflicts. One person I've been trying to get to go is just slightly too far away. I think one person stopped attending because we changed from a classy uptight bar to a lowbrow fast food place. We've also had fewer newcomers since then.No.y
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0I have a family, whose other members would not be interested in attending an LW meetup. So attending would (1) take away time I could otherwise be spending with the family, and (2) probably seem a bit weird to my wife and child.

The specific time of the local meetup is (I think) very sensible in general. But it's inconvenient for me: when it happens my wife is generally at church (alas!) and I'm (1) in sole charge of our young daughter and (2) expected to be making lunch. So, on top of what's in the previous paragraph, attending would inconvenience the rest of my family.

If I felt an urgent need to attend, I expect I would find ways around the issues above, or just ignore them. But I don't. Perhaps this in itself counts as a reason not to attend.
n/an/a
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0I have a limited amount of free time and I don't see a high enough value of attending.I probably have a very poor idea of what value these meetups offer.
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0I have a vague intention to attend at some point, but no indivdual meetup has ever gone over my threshold of reasons to attend vs inconvenience (It would take me about an hour and a half to travel).

Most of the events seem to be unstructured social things, which i worry would be awkward with people I don't know.

Maybe have a designated new people meetup periodically as a schelling point for people who are on the fence? Lectures say would also be good.
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0I have an even more local LW group in Princeton that I do usually attend when we choose to hold it. I find travel stressful, especially all the way to Brooklyn. Social interaction with large numbers of potentially intimidating people, I find stressful and scary, especially when some of these people already seem excessively awesome, which strengthens existing feelings of fear, self-loathing, and negative envy. The idea of being incapable of making any real impact on the OBNYC social landscape worries me; I feel as if I have made little impact on the Princeton LW community, although this may be symptomatic of already-existing mental illness, as the same pattern crops up in numerous other places, and in at least two of these places, friends and acquaintances have told me that this estimation was grossly wrong.I liked the social atmosphere of the meetups at Princeton I have been to so far. I liked the feeling of belongingness, and getting to look clever in front of other people. I liked the feeling of having status, and getting to occasionally spend that status, and feel like I wouldn't be ejected from the group for it.y
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0I have not committed sufficiently to the LessWrong online community to feel a strong compulsion to attend in person.
I am a) a student and b) bad at committing my time to new activities without social prompting, so there is a large barrier to my beginning to attend (compared to what I assume to be the barrier to my continuing to attend).
Meetups are not strongly promoted, in my perception, as an integral part of the LessWrong community.
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2I keep having other events at the same time with people I know better.Not enough consistency to them to say.y
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0I live in Adelaide. I have to arrange travel to go there. I think I'll do one visit this year.y
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2I live in Houston, and don't have transportation.Interesting people, etc.y
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Ottawa: lots. Montreal: 2I live in Ottawa but work in Montreal two days out of seven. The Montreal meetup group's schedule mostly fails to coincide with my work schedule. In addition, I joined a Toastmasters group in Montreal, and it occupies one of my two nights in the city.

The Ottawa group's meetups also mostly fail to coincide with my schedule.
I absolutely love conversations in which the basic concepts of LW-style rationality are taken for granted and jargonized for rapid communication -- it enables discussion of topics at the edge of what's currently known to take place.y
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5I met my girlfriend after attending several sessions. It takes a trip of significant length for me to get into the city, and I now spend most of my time there with her.

I would be more likely to attend meetups at present if the two of us went together, but I find it somewhat doubtful that she would enjoy them; most of the ones I attended probably would not have been interesting without background knowledge that she doesn't have.
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0I only just now investigated and discovered that indeed there was a meetup in my city. Also I am writing my thesis and have no time for fun, so I still may not come for quite a while, and then I am moving to Stockholm later this year, which does not appear to have a meetup. Oh well.
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8I went to maybe 4 or so meetups a few years ago. They were fine but the conversations just weren't grabbing me, no fault of the meetup organizers or anything. Stopped going for a maybe a year, then decided to give it a try again. This time I was very unimpressed by the quality of discussion. There was a whole meetup devoted to one of the members who had found god. There was one guy who kept talking about how humans were eusocial animals and gave off a bunch of crackpot-ish warning signals. There was one woman who brought up in all seriousness the possibility of trans-dimensional aliens (which I'm sure no one took seriously, and it was her first meeting, and I don't know if she even continued to attend, but still - not having anyone bring up trans-dimensional aliens is a pretty low bar for a *rationality* meetup). And then another meeting was sort of hijacked by someone who wanted to condemn US foreign policy, and it basically devolved into a shouting match. I stopped going at that point - for all I know those meetings were anomalies and it's gotten vastly better in the meantime. If that's the case I might even be interested in attending again.I feel like there was a core group of people who were really smart and you could have really good discussions with. They just need to not let themselves be drowned out by the crackpots.y
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1I will be fast and loose about this, to help furnish data. But there may be a lot which could be criticized about what I'm saying and how.

I felt the "vibe" or tenor of the meeting to be more... corporate than I'd expected, more entrepreneurial, and less in the region of science and philosophy and art. I personally disidentify with corporate/entrepreneurial types (although I realize the need for such people in society), and was put off a bit. I had a feeling some members were not really that formidable or interesting as thinkers, and were there for networking purposes, or looking for ideas they can just go and do stuff with.
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6I'm frustrated with my bad social skills and resulting awkwardness and inability to connect with some pretty cool people who I could see myself really getting along with in a different world.

Unstructured group discussion about intellectual topics is also often not that interesting, and that's what a large portion of the meetups consist of. Predictable rehashing of ideas and talking points that I have, and probably everyone has, read about a million times already on the internet. Memory techniques, meditation, time management, seasteading, givewell, yada yada. (But new and and interesting ideas do come up too every now and then.)

I also feel like I am partly to blame for the problem. Because I do take part in this kind of discussion pretty enthusiastically. I can always think of a lot of ideas to contribute. Also I feel awkward and confused in more informal social contexts, so maybe I keep nudging the group dynamic away from that, even if it would otherwise go there. I generally feel like I kind of drag down the atmosphere of the meetups and stop them from from moving on to something interesting by engaging too much with what might just be "intellectual small talk". Feel like a lot more fun must be had in the meetups where I'm not around.
A lot of interesting people in attendance. y
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1I've also been to the meetups in Philadelphia, and the conversation was a lot livelier there. The Sydney meetup felt too formal, I guess? It's still fun, and I might go again, but if it happens on a day when I have too much homework or don't feel like going out, I don't go.y
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0I've not heard a good reason to attend/nothing I've heard about them interests mey
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0I've thought about going in the abstract but haven't gotten to the stage of actually figuring out when/where it is and whether I can make it. I'm also a little anxious about going into a situation where I won't know anyone.n/aThis survey has made me more likely to take that next step, so thank you.
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0In descending order of importance:
1. I'm too busy. Kids and a job take up most of my time; errands and chores and other family plans usually fill in the rest.

2. There's generally no specified activity. This might be a bad thing for more introverts than just me. Even "we'll have some chess sets" would be a good ice breaker.

3. In the absence of a specified activity I assume "hang out and talk", and while I greatly value following (and occasionally participating in) the conversations on LessWrong, I don't feel the need to make them face-to-face.
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15It's a pretty long trip, activities aren't that focused, the meetup isn't that well attended.Back when the meetups were larger I enjoyed going to them more.y
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0It's held at an inconvenient time. Also getting there is a problem as I don't have a car.
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8It's in Central London, which means that it can take a while to get there. But the biggest issue atm is the lack of organization, as people have stopped posting what's going on with the meetups, or even if they're still going on. The last time I went there wasn't much going on and not many people there.

I also don't like the lack of diversity, as the overwhelming majority of people there are guys, usually white.
I liked the people and I liked the activities. I enjoyed the discussions we had, which is not something I could have had somewhere else.
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0Journey time to get there and back is quite long for the expected utility of the meeting. If I was more confident it would happen and would be good I might go.

I am very much put off by the inconsistency in timing, location and attendance of the meetup. It is very loosely coordinated by a mailing list. The archives contain several instances of people turning up but not finding the meetup, because it has not happened or because the few people who did go did not succeed in meeting each other. I estimate that there have been many more such instances that went unreported.

I do not want to commit myself to a long travel time with this outcome a real possibility.
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2Just general bad luck, the past couple of meetups have been at inopportune timesMeeting like-minded people is always great
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2Largely because I don't have time right now. However, the fact is also that the Less Wrong attendees just don't seem as "impressive" as might be hoped (as per Yudkowsky's ideal). It feels more like an ordinary philosophy club than anything else. y
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0London is still a long way away from Nottingham, it's a big effort and some cost to get there. I'm not at all confident that attending would be worth the trip, which would be a full day at least.

I am often in london for other reasons, and would very likely go along if the timing happened to coincide with my free time. However meetings are as far as I know irregularly scheduled, and quite infrequent, meaning I don't know offhand when they are, and they're rare enough that I'm not in the habit of checking before a visit. I expect I have missed some that I could have attended in this way.
I attended one in Berkeley, CA. The evening was spent mostly sitting in a tree discussing decision theory, and climbing on the buildings of the local university. I liked the combination of informality and high-level discourse. Normally I would climb trees with fun people and talk about something shallow (fun but not enlightening), or sit in a room with my intellectual superiors and talk about deep things and take ourselves terribly seriously (enlightening but not fun). The lesswrong meetup was the best of both.Just a note, that I put 0 in the above field because I've never attended a *London* meet, but I have attended a Berkeley meet. Hopefully this is obvious from other answers.y
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0Long commute. Not sure who else will be there (i.e. will there be anyone I have met before) or how to identify the meeting place. Please keep having it. I will get there someday. :)
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5Members of the more local group felt socially awkward to interact with, the people I actually enjoyed interacting with organized their own meetup in a city which was further away to attend.

Additionally, group activities stopped being fun and started to turn into some sort of collective "self improvement" group, rather than "spending time with interesting people and doing fun things together" which is how it was in the beginning.
Meeting and talking to interesting people who I'm fairly certain I would not have otherwise met/interacted with, and general social activities (playing games, seeing/discussing movies/etc) with people who have a very different perspective on subject than my "normal" social group.y
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20My free time is limited and precious. While the local group was amusing, it was ineffective at moving me toward any of my goals, relative to other, more focused activities.

I still attend on occasion if a given meetup looks especially interesting, but mostly it's on a "If I don't have anything else better to do that evening" basis.
social activity
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6My schedule is very busy. I will start attending again when it gets less busy.
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0Not enough free time. y
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13Organizer violated my personal boundaries multiple times.y
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1Other than the one time I've attended, the topic hasn't been compelling enough for me to prioritize it over other things, including being lazy.Interesting discussions, both on and off topic.
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3Personal life gets in the way, but luckily this is temporary. I will attend again later, when I have more free time (Autumn?).I really enjoyed meetups and will attend them again, after my life gets less busy.y
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0Scaredy
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0Seems to focus on "rationality games". I'm not interested in this, and would prefer a more freeform meetup. I'd also prefer to meet somewhere where alcoholic drinks were available.y
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5Status flowed weirdly through the group. Though many members would normally be considered low status and nerdy, the dynamics of status change completely in lw meetups. Members obsess over status and make general statements about it without acknowledging the complexity of it.

There's also a fair amount of reciprocal altruism going on with status and people agreeing with one another not for rational reasons but to increase their status within the group.
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0The closest meetup is in Washington, DC while I live in Baltimore, so it's not convenient. Also, I'm an Orthodox Jew and socially uncomfortable with others who are not also Orthodox Jews.y
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0The only person I know in the rationalist community is someone I want to avoid, so I don't seek out places where I'm likely to run into him. Also I suspect I would not fit in culturally.
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1The people were extremely socially awkward. Would recommend they read The Rules of the Game (aka the Stylelife Challenge). Didn't want to attend future meetups b/c "you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with".
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2-3The quality of the attendees. I want to spend time with the sort of person who's working on awesome projects, and those people are too busy to spend time meeting random people from the internet, so I can only find them at (or get them to attend) events with a stronger filter.Nisan did a good job of refocusing the group when it drifted away from useful topics.y
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2To be honest, I don't really care that much about xrationality / EA / meetups and being expected to sign up beforehand was just too much of a hassle. I went the first couple of times out of boredom and I'm not sure if I contributed nonnegatively.y
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20-30Today average visitor has a vibe of cargo-cultish smartass in conjunction with social misfittnes. Intresting to me guys are drowning in them
Content is less of insight porn, more of generic smart thingies

High-level fellas are fun and intresting to hang out with. During first half-year of attending, i've learned lot's of stuff i've incorporated in my map. I learned lot's of patterns and heuristics, which i can't imagine living without beforey
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0too far away, not sure of the schedule (is it frequency and consistent?)
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0Too far to travel (Lund, Sweden to Berlin)
Fear of being judged on my age (19)
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0Too far. An hour and a half each way.
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0Was held at a bad time (conflict with math meetup), now no longer held (last I checked).
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6Was not getting as much out of the meetups as I hoped. No one seemed especially invested in them being successful, so as a result meetups I attended generally had very minimal planning and structure. And I found it hard to become motivated about participating in a group that no one seemed especially excited to be in.conversations were generally fairly interesting
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0Weekdays would be better for me, I usually have other programs for the weekend. Maybe if the weather is bad, I'd join.I never attended, but I did like the calibration game link you posted on the website.N/A
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5We played board games at the start of the meetup while people were arriving and ordering food sometimes, and I think that worked really well as an ice breaker and to get the conversation going. With some games like Xendo, there was some risk of mentally tiring ourselves out too soon if we played too long.

A lot of the time, there was a set discussion topic, which got talked about for <50% of the time at the meetup, and sometimes hardly at all. It was more of a backup thing to talk about if the conversation started to drag. I really liked this meetup as a social get-together - I'd go because it was a reliable way to have good conversation with really intelligent people, but in an informal way with some room for silliness.

This meetup's biggest problem while I was there was meeting locations with too much background noise and activity, which made it harder to follow the conversation. Last I heard, they'd addressed the problem by picking a quieter venue, at the cost of being farther from the train station.
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5When starting the meetup I was unsure whether anybody would show up, so I invited a few friends just to not wait alone. Those stayed but it also caused the meetup to be a bit non-LW-like (which was pointed out a few times by the second LW member).y
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50Mainly the Intelligent discussions
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I'm a regular; I've been attending since they started at least 2 years ago.The main reason of attending has been socializing with like-minded people. There are no other chances to regularly meet/encounter these kinds of people reliably.I currently attend. I just like the people, more than any other group of people.
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