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100 of 103 people found the following review helpful. Far fromperfect, but still very good.By Mr. S. KollerThis is a review ofChristopher Rowe's new (2012) translation of Plato's masterpiece,the Republic (ISBN 0141442433). It is not a review of Plato'sRepublic as such, but solely of the merits and demerits of Rowe'stranslation.I've never quite trusted Rowe as an exegete of Plato,as he's got too much of his own personal agenda intrude on hisanalysis. His joint book with Terry Penner on the Lysis, forinstance, falls far short of giving us an unbiased, expansive,authorative commentary on the dialogue, especially when compared tomore sober competitors like Michael Bordt's in the Gouml;ttingenPlato.But as a translator, Rowe has proven time and again that he'ssingularly scrupulous, and attentive to technical detail where itmatters. His renderings of Plato's Politicus (Statesman) andAristotle's Nicomachean Ethics, the latter published with SarahBroadie, are probably the most authoritative around.The same can besaid for this newest of his translational efforts. In general,translations of the Republic usually err on the side of eithertrying too heavily to recreate the literary qualities of theoriginal, or miss out so much of that detail because they try to besuper exact on technicalities, that in either case the Englishfalls far short of giving us a good understanding of Plato's Greek.The solution, so far, is to read Plato's Republic with (at least)two translations side by side. For instance, on the literal I'vefound Desmond Lee's quite good, and on the literary, Tom Griffith'sstands out. Among the older ones, Paul Shorey's is particularlygood on the literary side. Others, like Cornford, Waterfield, orGrube (even when revised under Reeve) can be safely avoided, forhaving the translators' hobby horses intrude on and mar the maintext.It's a bit hard to place Rowe on this spectrum from theliterary to the literal, because he's consistently improved thesituation on both sides of the spectrum - and I can think of nohigher praise.For one, Rowe has certainly outdone the rest of fieldby giving a more lively rendition of the flow of the dialogue, bypaying more attention to the flow of the individual characters'speech. Although his translation follows the new Oxford ClassicalText by Slings (2003), the punctuation is often Rowe's own and, Ifeel, often the superior choice. The dialogue becomes a lot morelively, and we get greater accuracy.At the same time, Rowe'stranslation comes with seven hundred footnotes, and these aremeticulously researched and show him on top of the currentscholarly game. His translation is probably the first tounequivocally get the tricky lines in 596a correct. Mistranslationsof these lines have encouraged generations of interpretors tosaddle Plato with the view that one can posit a (Platonic) Form foreach general term, no matter how gerrymandered. That rendering issimply false, and Rowe's note explains why. (He credits DavidSedley with the point, and while Sedley's arguments are a welcomeaddition to the literature on this point, I wish Rowe had alsomentioned Burnyeat's, on p. 298 with 298n.4 in Gail Fine'santhology 'Plato 2'.)This increased accuracy also pervades a lotelse in the translation, and I for one am grateful for it.Particularly the connecting particles, so important to the Greekflow of arguments, are given their due.At times, however, Rowefalls short. A Platonic dialogue proceeds, usually, with(alternating) dominant speakers eliciting agreement or disagreementon particular points from their interlocutors. A great deal oftext, therefore, is taken up by Plato expressing how theinterlocutors express themselves on that point. Not just a 'yes' or'no' - or the occasional, 'I don't understand, please repeat thequestion/point' - is in order. STRENGTH of (dis)agreement is justas important, for the respective next steps in an argument to gothrough. Plato's interlocutors signal their at times cautiousdis/agreement on a point, with the occasional 'Perhaps...?' or thevehement 'In now way!'. The questions put to them, however, attimes signal how strong the main speaker expects his dialoguepartner to agree with him - with how many points just made, and howstrongly. Thus at 479e5-6 we have the exchange 'ecirc; ouchhoutocirc;s; - houtocirc;.' Which means, 'Or is it not in (exactly)this way? - [No,] it is in exactly this way.' Which comes afterfive lines of contentious arguing. In Rowe, we get 'Right? -Right.' which is at once too casual and uncommittal.Other passagesshow similar lapses in attention to detail. Plato's discussion ofartefacts in book X has plagued commentators forever, because it'sunclear why or how Plato can correlate human artefacts to(allegedly) timeless Forms. While Rowe's notes arecharacteristically informative of what's going on in thesepassages, and warn readers of the potential inconsistenties onartefact Forms, his translation looks rather unsure, tendentiouseven.Plato's discussion of artefacts, especially of furnitures,centres on the term skeuecirc;, which has a broad and a narrowmeaning. On the narrow one,σκευήmeans furnishing, specifically `equipment, attire, apparel' (LSJs.v.). In Republic, book X, translators like Lee (1974) andGriffith (2000) renderσκευή,not as furnishing, but as furniture, given that Plato illustratesthe term by the examples of a table and a couch.On the broadermeaning, conveyed by the cognate adjectiveσκευαστός,the term conveys the entire class of things `prepared by art,artificial' (LSV s.v.), and is opposed to natural things, thingsproduced by and in nature(φυτευτός),in Republic 510a and 515c.Plato's discussion moves from the narrowusage (in 596b1, b5) to the broader one (596c6). Traditionally,translators convey this by translating the first use as 'furniture'(e.g. Lee and Griffith) and then go to 'artifice'.Rowe, however, isless clear. He begins with the fully generic translation ofskeuecirc; as `product(s)' for 596b, picking up the term from hisequally tendentious translation ofμῑÌμησιςin 595c8 as ` imitation' (brackets mine to indicate his additions),and at 596c Rowe changes gear to render skeuecirc; as `manufactureditems'. No attendant note is given, and readers are left to wonder,as they have for generations, what explains this sudden change ofpace.I'm not sure Rowe's approach is superior or inferior to Lee'sand Griffith's, but it indicates to me abundantly that one can'trely on his translation without comparing it to others. I doubt hewould disagree. At the same time, his earlier efforts on Statesmanand Nicomachean Ethics have, in my opinion, done just that - becomeso authoritative that one can reliably work on their basisalone.For those reasons, I'd heavily recommend customers interestedin Plato's masterpiece to purchase Rowe's translation. It's clearlysuperior to many competitors out there. At the same time, Rowe willsupplement, but not supplant, earlier efforts, particulary those ofLee and Griffith.As far as the publisher is concerned, Penguin canbe congratulated for sponsoring a new translation so soon afterrevising Lee's twice in the past ten years, under the carefulleadership of Melissa Lane and Rachana Kamtekar.At the same time,something is lost in the transition. I can't speak for Lane's, butKamtekar's version of Lee offered helpful diagrams andillustrations in notes and appendices. Undergraduates, not tomention lay readers, find a lot of Plato's text hardgoing withoutthe occasional image to explain how things 'hang together'. Plato'ssimile of the Line in book V, for one, is incredibly denselypresented, as is the 'Spindle of Necessity' in Book VIII.Kamtekar's edition had helpful illustrations on such points, andretained Lee's wonderful introductions to sub-sections of the maintext, which set the scene and pre-empted some of the more currentmisunderstandings that twentieth and twenty first century readersare prone to. This is now replaced by Rowe's own (3-page) synopsisof the dialogue, which is frankly a poor man's substitute forLee.For reasons beyond me, Penguin decided to kill this material.Rowe's notes and appendices are entirely devoid of imagery.And,while we are at it, Rowe's reading list is, if anything, twice asshort as Kamtekar's, and no longer comes into neatly categorizedthemes of the Republic. Writings on aesthetics had to suffer inparticular. While I'm glad to see Verity Harte's and MylesBurnyeat's efforts recognized in this area, Alexander Nehamas'older - and equally good if not superior - offerings have beenchopped off. The same is true for a great many other essays andbooks that, I feel, deserves mention to a first time audiencecoming to Plato. Rowe sees fit to mention Julia Annas' work onPlato. As I said in my review of her 'Introduction', thisreputation is frankly undeserved and compares very poorly againstrecent alternatives, most of them omitted by Rowe.In the end, then,the book is a mixed result of the very variety I've come to expectfrom Rowe. Top notch translation, but a tad tendentious when itcomes to the work of other scholars. Still, I'm very happy with thepurchase, and would recommend it warmly to others.2 of 2 peoplefound the following review helpful. A Lucid Translation of TheRepublic with a very clear introductionBy Geoffrey BAfter makingthe all too common mistake of trying to read Plato in the Jowetttranslation, I came to Focus' edition of Timaeus. Pleased by what Ifound, I decided to try their Republic in the hopes that thespirit, if not the editor/translator, would be the same. I wasn'tdisappointed. Sachs has a light and honest touch discussing Platoand Socrates and he is open about the biases he brings topresenting the Republic and where you might agree with someone elsewho has different biases. The result of his essential introductionis that you can go into the text with some important things tothink about and watch for and, for that matter, and idea just whatis going on when it starts with several pages of Socratesrecounting a conversation as though he, and not Plato, were theauthor of the dialogue playing out.As for Sachs' translation, it isclear and readable. It's a bit odd in places, since the way Platolays out verbal jousting isn't quite the same as what we might dotoday. But the language itself is clear, current and neutral enoughidiomatically that it won't be out of date in a few years. Great ifyou are looking for a presentation that will let you actuallyunderstand what the Republic is all about with a minimum of fuss.0of 0 people found the following review helpful. Plato is smartByRyanThis was a difficult book for me to get through, though one Ihope to revisit again. The way thoughts and ideas aredeconstructed, broken down to their bare essence and then builtback up to make the point is such an impressive skill andtechnique. Reading on a kindle, Ill admit that this annotatedversion confused me quite a bit because I didnt understand that thebeginning of the book was the discussion of it. I continue to beamazed at how philosophers like Plato identify a bedrock of virtueand justice which has persisted throughout written history.

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This new version of Plato's Republic by Sterling and Scott isfounded on a sensitively accurate and highly readable fusion ofform and content, style, and substance. Plato emerges, as heshould, as both thinker and philosophical poet-something thatcannot be said of competing versions. --William Arrowsmith, EmoryUniversityOne of the basic books of the European mind and culture,now freshly and readably rendered by Sterling and Scott. I envy thereader who sits in on these conversations for the first time, andwith such a readable text. --John CiardiNo one should think ofgoing to a liberal arts college without reading Plato's Republic.It is one of the basic books of the European mind and culture, nowfreshly and readably rendered by Sterling and Scott. I envy thereader who sits in on these conversations for the first time, andwith such a readable text. --John Ciardi"The best translation ofthe Republic or a Platonic dialogue I know. It gives the reader whohas no Greek... a sense of the powerful and delicate style of thedialogue and it is not only a success for Plato's inimitable Greek;it is brilliant in its translations of the Greek poetry quoted inthe course of the Republic. --Diskin Clay, Duke University"This newversion of Plato's Republic... is founded on a sensitively accurateand highly readable fusion of form and content, style andsubstance. Plato emerges, as he should, as both thinker andphilosophical poet something that cannot be said of competingversions. --William Arrowsmith, Emory University"LanguageNotesText: English (translation) Original Language: GreekFrom theBack CoverThis celebrated philosophical work of the fourth centuryB.C. contemplates the elements of an ideal state, serving as theforerunner for such other classics of political thought as Cicero'sDe Republica, St. Augustine's City of God, and Thomas More'sUtopia.Written in the form of a dialog in which Socrates questionshis students and fellow citizens, The Republic concerns itselfchiefly with the question, "What is justice?" as well as Plato'stheory of ideas and his conception of the philosopher's role insociety. To explore the latter, he invents the allegory of the caveto illustrate his notion that ordinary men are like prisoners in acave, observing only the shadows of things, while philosophers arethose who venture outside the cave and see things as they reallyare, and whose task it is to return to the cave and tell the truthabout what they have seen. This dynamic metaphor expresses at oncethe eternal conflict between the world of the senses (the cave) andthe world of ideas (the world outside the cave), and thephilosopher's role as mediator between the two.

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