State Management of Recreational Red Snapper (Responses)
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7/31/2017 10:50:18TESTtest@gulfcouncil.orgTampaOtherAllTEST
8/4/2017 8:43:40Darin GrantDarin.Grant@gmail.comMobile AL 36608Private Recreational Angler, OtherAllI demand that any final actions be moved to the Biloxi meeting in October because the new council members will not be able to vote at the august meeting and they need to have their say, that is why they were appointed to the council so please let them weigh in!
8/4/2017 9:31:18Warren KampeFredkampe5656@gmail.comInterlachen, Fl. 32148Private Recreational AnglerAllWould like to see meeting held in Biloxi in October so new council can be involved .
8/4/2017 9:46:27Jonathan armstrong Armstronghunts@yahoo.comSpanish fort Al 36518Private Recreational AnglerAlabamaThe States should control the fishery out to 40 NM and use Federal funds and state colleges to implement a sound system to develop season and catch limits on all species of fish in the Gulf.
8/4/2017 10:35:58Michael McDuffMikemcduff@gmail.comPensacola, FL 32504Private Recreational AnglerAllI demand that any final actions be moved to the Biloxi meeting in October because the new council members will not be able to vote at the august meeting and they need to have their say, that is why they were appointed to the council so please let them weigh in
8/4/2017 10:50:23Jonathan armstrong Armstronghunts@yahoo.comSpanish fort Al 36518Private Recreational AnglerAlabamaThe States should control the fishery out to 40 NM and use Federal funds and state colleges to implement a sound system to develop season and catch limits on all species of fish in the Gulf.
8/4/2017 11:29:15mitch colemanmcoleman54@yahoo.commexico beach fl 32456Private Recreational Angler, Charter/Headboat For-HireAllplease delay vote to Fall to allow new members to have a say
8/4/2017 16:50:16Joseph Matthew Rainesheadfirstfishin@gmail.comSaint Petersburg, FloridaPrivate Recreational Angler, Charter/Headboat For-HireAllI demand that any final actions be moved to the Biloxi meeting in October because the new council members will not be able to vote at the august meeting and they need to have their say, that is why they were appointed to the council so please let them weigh in!
8/4/2017 17:15:35Joey HornJoeyhorn18@gmail.comDurant, Fl 33530Private Recreational AnglerAllI demand that any final actions be moved to the Biloxi meeting in October because the new council members will not be able to vote at the august meeting and they need to have their say, that is why they were appointed to the council so please let them weigh in!
8/7/2017 18:00:15Matt Manning
Valrico, FL 33596
Private Recreational Angler
AllI demand that any final actions be moved to the Biloxi meeting in October because the new council members will not be able to vote at the august meeting and they need to have their say, that is why they were appointed to the council so please let them weigh in!
8/7/2017 19:31:03Joseph John Dietrich Jr.
Spring Hill, Fl 34609
Private Recreational Angler
AllMy name is Joe Dietrich and I was raised in Florida fishing my whole life. As I became of age I joined the military and got to travel the world fishing the entire way. I have seen how many states and countries actually regulate certain species and keep the populace accountable. I recently wrote an Open Source Paper on the Red Snapper and how sector separation is having anglers at each other's throats. During this I came up with 4 things we could do to help boost the Red Snapper population and it may even be helpful for other species. 1. In Alaska they have cards for charter boats that have to be purchased and filled in for their catch. (we could use this for our recreational sector). This would give us better catch data, release data, and unintentional death due to hooks or hungry predators. 2. Slot limits for Red Snapper, based on the science behind their breeding, harvesting them in the 16-22" range would significantly increase the population, as the larger ones produce more spawn. 3. Reintegrate the quotas so there is a single poundage limit for all anglers. (Commercial guys won't like this as much, but there is plenty of other snapper to target). 4. Stop relying on scientists to give you accurate data when anglers can be charged with that as a mandatory requirement to fish. Not only does this give the gulf council and NMFS another source of revenue, it also provides FWC and each states equivalent a source of revenue as well with the fines that would impact anglers if they so choose to break the rules. Thank you for you time.

Joe Dietrich
Tight Lines.
10/2/2017 9:39:39Jim Clements
Carrabelle, FLCommercial FishermanAllDear council members,

My name is Jim Clements and I'm a commercial fisherman from Carrabelle, Florida. I couldn't be at this month's meeting so please accept this letter in lieu of my public testimony.

The only comment I'd like to make at this time is in regards to the state management plans being developed by the five Gulf states for red snapper. First off, I really wish the states luck on this. Their private angler fishermen deserve a chance to have a meaningful red snapper season that's based on science, not the stroke of a pen in Washington DC. Science - not politics - should run the show. As long as each state lives within its quota, they should be given the chance to develop a plan that meets the interests of their fishermen. So with that said, whether the council decides to delegate authority or require each gulf state to produce a conservation equivalency plan (CEP), we need strong assurances that the states will remain within their quota. A "reasonable expectation" as required by a CEP is not enough - managers have relied on a "reasonable expectation" that the recreational sector would stay within its historical quotas and how well has that worked? Overages in 22 of the last 26 years shows that the bar must be set higher than a "reasonable expectation." We need to see - with near certainty - that whatever they come up with has true in-season accountability built in.

Thank you for the opportunity to provide these comments.
Jim Clements
10/2/2017 9:43:59Chad Courville
NGOAllDear Ms. Bosarge:
In anticipation of this week’s Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council (GMFMC) meeting in Biloxi, Mississippi, Ocean Conservancy1 would like to provide comments on the following two issues: Reef Fish: Consider National Allocation Policy while working on State Management of Recreational Red Snapper
Ocean Conservancy supports the individual states’ will to manage recreational red snapper in their portions of the exclusive economic zone, and we urge the Council to give full consideration to the National Allocation Policy set out by the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) earlier this year. The previous iteration of regional management was tabled before the National Allocation Policy came into place, so the allocation discussions that will come about in the new round of state management proposals will benefit from NMFS’ guidance on the issue. Reef Fish Committee: Consider National Allocation Policy while working on State Management of Recreational Red Snapper
Ocean Conservancy encourages the individual states to continue to develop management plans that will give them the authority to manage recreational red snapper in accordance with the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Act in their portion of the exclusive economic zone.
State management, or any alternative method of regional management, provides a real and meaningful chance for private recreational fishermen from throughout the five Gulf states to fish under regulatory conditions that cater directly to their local needs. Fishermen from each state fish at different times of the year, with different techniques and different local knowledge, out of ports that range in character and culture from Naples to Venice to Brownsville. Allowing the states to develop individual conservation equivalent plans that are customized to the unique fishing traits of private fishermen in their waters could ultimate result in more days on the water for anglers, greater accountability from the private recreational component, and decreased likelihood that the recreational component will exceed its share of the overall red snapper quota season after season. Fewer quota overruns and greater stability in the fishery means rebuilding stays on track and catch limits can increase as the stock rebounds.
We urge the Council to consider alternatives that will apply state management of the recreational red snapper fishery exclusively to the private recreational red snapper component; it is the private recreational anglers, those who own their own boats to go fishing for red snapper, that stand to benefit the most from state management.
Sector Separation, which has prevailed against three legal challenges, has provided significant improvements in conservation and economic performance of the charter for-hire fishery via development of new management approaches. In each of the legal challenges, fishermen and conservation groups have highlighted the successes of Sector Separation in facilitating access while achieving conservation goals.345 After many years of developing solutions for their fishery, and after successfully defending their achievements in court, charter fishermen should be allowed to continue to develop strategies for their portion of the recreational fishery. Exempting them from a state management strategy will allow them to continue to remain accountable, as they have done since the inception of Sector Separation, while providing their important services to their recreational fishing clients from across the country.
Ocean Conservancy also encourages the Council to consider utilizing an overarching regional management amendment6 as opposed to five individual amendments. From a workload perspective, a single amendment will streamline the process for Council staff without losing any of the state specific regulatory requirements. A single amendment may also facilitate allocation decision-making by the Council.
10/2/2017 10:06:23Chad Courville]
2000 Quail Drive, Baton Rouge, LA 70808
OtherLouisianaDear Ms. Bosarge:
The Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Commission is charged with overseeing policy decisions governing the
Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (LDWF). During our August meeting, the Commission received a
presentation regarding the Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council's amendment for Louisiana Management
for Recreational Red Snapper. We agree with the preferred alternatives chosen to date and overwhelmingly
support the amendment.
We have recommended to LDWF staff to continue to work toward completing this amendment. We urge members
of the Gulf Council to support LDWF's fishery managers, as well as managers from other Gulf states, to implement
options for state-based management of the recreational red snapper fishery. We ask that Gulf Council members
seek fair and equitable solutions for distributing red snapper among the individual states and consider historical
landings along with fishery biomass.
Louisiana has the infrastructure in place utilizing La Creel for weekly monitoring of recreational landings. Our
Commission has the capacity to dose the season when appropriate and has granted the Secretary similar authority
in the past. We have shown we have the capacity to manage red snapper accurately and responsibly. We hope
that this process will move forward in a timely manner and would like to see this document approved and
forwarded to the Secretary of Commerce for implementation prior to June 1, 2018, in order to open red snapper
fishing in Louisiana's state waters and federal waters on that date.
We are eager for a flexible management framework that maximizes our recreational anglers' opportunities to fish
red snapper and sustains the economic infrastructure associated with recreational fishing while preserving the
current operation and viability of the commercial sector.
The Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Commission remains committed to engaging productively in the Gulf Council
process and looks forward to continued interaction.
Chad Courville
Chairman, Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Commission
2000 Quail Drive
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808
10/3/2017 22:00:41Jason Mikel
Destin, Fl 32541
Charter/Headboat For-Hire
AllI own and operate the charter boat Finest Kind in Destin, Fl. I am speaking for myself along with the 1434 recreational fisherman that accessed the gulf fishery aboard my vessel this year. Most american anglers are not privileged to live along the coast and therefore access the gulf fishery aboard charter vessels once per year. WE WANT NO WEEKEND FISHERIES PERIOD! We also want to keep the American anglers access to the gulf fisheries by keeping Amendment 40. We would like to see Amendment 41 & 42 move forward, as well.

Please remember, if you go to regional management then only the privileged anglers who own their own vessels and fish multiple weekends per year will have access to these fisheries. This is not what America is about, everyone deserves equal access to a public resource and by eliminating CFH sector you are eliminating the majority of American anglers.

May the lord guide you in making the right decisions.

Thank You,

Jason Mikel
Finest Kind charters
10/4/2017 11:17:03Cliff Cox
Destin, FL
Charter/Headboat For-Hire
AllGulf Council Members,

I am Capt. Cliff Cox, owner/operator of the Sweet Jody, a headboat operating out of Destin, Fl.
I was unable to get to Biloxi to make the public comment today so I am emailing instead. I do not support state management of any kind in federal waters. I prefer to stay under Magnuson and NMFS. I also do not want to remove amendment 30b. I encourage this council to please move forward to a referendum vote Amendments 41 and 42. I sit on the headboat AP for
42 and I along with others of us in the industry have been working toward the goal of a better management system since 2010. We need your support to finish the job and move forward. Our livelihoods depend on it. Also there is a push toward weekend management of amberjacks, I strongly disagree with any weekend management of any species. We don't execute our businesses that way. Who can make a living fishing or any other job on weekends only? There has to be a better way. That is the whole point of Am 41 and 42. Quota style management would resolve those issues for the charter and headboats.

Capt Cliff Cox
Sent from my iPhone
10/4/2017 16:43:30Capt. Curt Gwin
Destin,FL, 32541
Charter/Headboat For-Hire, Commercial Fisherman
AllI DO NOT support amendment 39- I DO NOT believe regional state management will be the best thing for the federal fishery - obviously the state of Florida doesn’t care or is oblivious to the effects the longer state snapper season has had on the inshore fishery along the Florida gulf coast- having private rec’s and state guide boats confined to fishing inside 9 miles for such a long period has taken a toll on the inshore snapper stock- this is not acceptable management and I don’t want to see this happen to our federal fishery.
1/23/2018 10:13:04Joseph Nash
Orange Beach, AL
Private Recreational Angler, Charter/Headboat For-Hire
AllWhy are we letting even the possibility of State Management. The past has showed a total disregard for federal laws and seasons in all the gulf states.. This would show that the interest in the states is not in the fishery but pleasing its people without regards to the long term effects on the fish. Yes I understand snapper are relatively easy to catch but there is a reason for this, all the pain and suffering we went thru trying to bring a fishery to a level we can all enjoy and yes profit from( not just charter boats but all boat manufacturers, tackle, hotels, gas,the list is endless) The ones wanting instant gratification either weren't around during the lean times or just don't remember just how hard it was for a private boat owner to catch a red snapper. Charter boats caught the majority of them during those times. Yes I am a charter for hire(30 plus years) and rec angler at times. I would like to see the for hire sector with a quota that will not be taken away so we can manage our catch as we see fit. Thank you for your time
1/23/2018 12:21:52Capt. Chad Haggert
Clearwater, FL 33767
Private Recreational Angler, Charter/Headboat For-Hire
AllIf the council is seriously entertaining the though of a "State Management" EFP, I would ask to refrain from including the CFH fleet. We have worked under and have protections under current federal law. My state has not shown me that it is concerned with the well being of the CFH fleet. I can support this type of management alternative for the Private Sector, if that is what they would like to pursue, but please keep CFH as a federally managed user group.
1/25/2018 9:35:33Tommy Elkinstelkinsbsl@gmail.comMS
Private Recreational Angler
MississippiI want to address the Council as both a recreational angler, business owner and President of CCA MS.

I strongly support State Management of Red Snapper!

1. Mississippi's "Tails n Scales" program has proven successful in gathering data needed to manage this resource.
2. Mississippi has a long history of management of other species with success.
3. Mississippi is committed to responsible management.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to contact me.


Tommy Elkins
1/30/2018 18:31:25Michael B. Regan, Sr.
Destin Fl. 32541
Charter/Headboat For-Hire
If recreational fisherman overfish their quota three years in a row. How is that being responsible . The Charter for Hire section is using, for the most part ,
electronic log books. This is accountability. The Charter for Hire has not overfished our Quota. Please do not Punish us by using option 2b. We prefer to keep AM40 and be separate from the recreational sector . I believe the states will yield to political pressure and not use scientific data to sustain, let alone rebuild the Red Snapper. Just look at Florida ,Extending the Federal season on weekends. When they knew the allocation would be overfished. I ask you to use reason in this matter. Let the people that dont have boats, But love to fish have access to our Red Snapper.
Sincerely Michael Regan Mgr.
Cutting Edge Charters
3/7/2018 14:37:30Warner
Panama City, Florida 32405
Private Recreational Angler
The vast majority of Charter And Commercial entity will oppose any change to the regulation of Red Snapper or any other fish in the Gulf. Their interest or stickler self interest also called GREED. For example when the Commercial guys locate a place where fish have congregated, for spawning or a gathering place, they will do their best to clean the place out. Where as the recreational anglers are limited to two. It is rare it hear a Charter or Commercial person mention conservation. What they talk about is how to get more fish and being hindered by regulations. Commercial guys should not be allowed to fish for Red Snapper during their spawning season. Charter Captains should continue to be allowed to fish during the spawning season
Encourage you to allow States to manage all fishing out to 200 miles.
Thank You,
Warner Foster
01/29/2018Bob Jonesbobfish@aol.comTXTexas

Welcome to the trenches Eric Sutton. We stay bloodied but unbowed. Do not let Texas take our fish.

If FWC supports the new 'biomass magic scheme' Texas will get most all the red snapper (41%) which really doesn't make sense inasmuch as Texas already has a year round fishing season and could care less for federal management. Texas already catches all the red snapper it can with their decades old open season while all other states for the most part try to cooperate with the science. They have 365 days a year to fish for red snapper. That's enough.

If you go back you will learn that Florida was successfully harvesting red snapper in a big way all over the region before other states started and that at one time the bulk of the fish were harvested for the non-fishers. Now the system seems to be turning on its head. MSA is there to provide a sustainable harvest of seafood for the people of our country and recreational fishing. Not the other way around.

We hope Florida fishery managers don't fall for this nonsense about biomass. Some 'scientists' can make the biomass be whatever they want it to be through their political control of the system.

Let's don't be stupid when it comes to fairness and equity and government in the sunshine.


02/01/2018Dylan Hubbarddylanhubbard@hubbardsmarina.comMadiera Beach, FL 33708
Charter/Headboat For-Hire, Commercial Fisherman
State ManagmentLetter to the Gulf of Mexico fishery management council
January 31st, 2018
By: Capt. Dylan Hubbard, Hubbard’s Marina – MREP graduate

Hello, my name is Captain Dylan Hubbard and my family business has been fishing central west coast of Florida for nearly 90 years and four generations, plus I am a recent MREP graduate. We operate 6 federally permitted vessels both charter and head boats, and I represent the Florida Guides association as their offshore director.
State Management of Red snapper
In the EFPs or amendment, please do not include the for hire recreational sector in any type of state management scenario.
01/23/2018Shane Cantrellshane.cantrell@iCloud.comGalveston, TXCharter/Headboat For-Hire, Commercial FishermanState ManagmentMrs. Leanne Bosarge, Chairwoman
Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council
2203 North Lois Ave
Tampa, FL 33607
Dr. Roy Crabtree, Southeast Regional Administrator
National Marine Fisheries Service
263 13th Avenue South
St. Petersburg, FL 33701
Dear Chairwoman Bosarge,
The Charter Fisherman's Association is the largest federally permitted charter for-hire
organization in the region. Our organization is focused on working respectfully within the
fishery management process toward realistic solutions to problems facing the
recreational fishery and charter for hire industry. We appreciate the opportunity to
provide input and comments on a variety of fishery issues before the Gulf Council: Proposed State Exempted Fishing Permits
Any proposed management approach for federally permitted charter for-hire vessels
should seek to provide more flexible harvest of reef fish species while reducing
management uncertainty, improving economic conditions, and fishing opportunities for
charter vessels and their angler passengers. After initial review and analysis, it seems
critical that the following items be clearly addressed before exempted fishing permit
requests move forward:
• If transparency in the development thus far is indicative of future management, this is
unacceptable to the entire recreational sector.
• Some proposals do not retain the allocations defined in sector separation which
provide a foundation for access and level of protection for the CFH industry.
• There are discrepancies among accountability measures between states which
jeopardize the stability of their own CFH fleets within the state.
• The disparities among some proposed data collection methods in the proposals do
not reflect meaningful improvements compared to status quo. Additionally, the data
collected could lead to questionable conclusions and impact the long term stability of
the CFH industry.
01/23/2018Greg Ballinfo@joinGPBA.orgGalveston, TXCharter/Headboat For-Hire, Commercial FishermanTexasJanuary 23, 2018
Mrs. Leanne Bosarge, Chairwoman
Gulf of Mexico Fishery Management Council
2203 North Lois Ave
Tampa, FL 33607
Dr. Roy Crabtree, Southeast Regional Administrator
National Marine Fisheries Service
263 13th Avenue South
St. Petersburg, FL 33701
Dear Councilwoman Bosarge,
Thank you for the opportunity to introduce the Galveston Professional Boatmen’s Association to the Gulf Council; we look forward to working constructively towards solutions for fishermen while providing the often overlooked or underrepresented perspective from professional fishermen in Texas. This association is dedicated to growing Galveston fishing opportunities, ensuring conservation and sustainability of our
fishery resources, and enhancing the cultural heritage of our fishing communities. Our broad-based, growing membership represents a range of fishery stakeholder groups and interests. We appreciate the opportunity to formally address the Gulf Council. Coastal communities and the professional fishing and tourism related businesses they
depend on often experience adverse economic impacts from the regulatory changes proposed by this council. The long-term seasonal shifts in recreational fishing seasons for red snapper and greater amberjack have caused undue economic harm to federally permitted charter for-hire businesses across the Gulf of Mexico. These impacts often lead to instability in the tourism related economy at hotels, marinas, tackle suppliers and local restaurants.
Unfortunately, the impacts to the federally permitted charter and commercial fishing fleets are often prioritized below the needs of the open-access, private angler component of the recreational fishery. A prime example of this is displayed in the proposed state EFP requests. A state-proposed EFP to manage private anglers only would be a good concept; if it were to include a robust data collection and validation system as well. In the process of development, there were differing levels of transparency from state to state. For Texas, the level of engagement and transparency
were insufficient considering the potential impacts to federally permitted businesses and our coastal community. The varying state-proposed changes in data collection appear to fall short of increasing accountability within the recreational sector and offer few defined improvements compared to status quo. In Texas’ proposal, there are no concrete protections for the charter for hire allocation established in Amendment 40; but the varying attempts to diminish the stability of this allocation are apparent. Without Galveston Professional Boatmen’s Association
2724 61st Street, Suite 1-B #408 Galveston, Texas 77551
Collectively ensuring fishery sustainability while enhancing the professional fishing heritage of Galveston.
sufficient data collection and accountability measures in any state-proposed EFP, there
is no ability to constrain the recreational fishery within its quota. This is not in
adherence to the Guindon v Pritzker decision regarding recreational accountability and
must be immediately corrected.
GPBA wants no part of contributing to recreational overages through the stateproposed
EFP inclusion of the CFH fleet in Texas.
The state-proposed EFPs undermine the purposes of Reef Fish Amendment 40
and threaten the stability of our federally permitted CFH fleet.
Rather than circumventing a gulf-wide, industry led initiative to protect and preserve the
access of American anglers to their public resource through the federally permitted forhire
fleet, it would be more productive and efficient to pursue a solution that provides
long-term stability, flexibility in harvest, improved economic conditions and decreased
management uncertainty within the charter for-hire subcomponent of the recreational
The Galveston Professional Boatmen’s Association looks forward to working
cooperatively with our state and federal management partners to strengthen and
improve management of all segments of the fishery.
Capt. Greg Ball
Galveston Professional Boatmen’s Association
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