sschat11122012 Discerning Truth in SS
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ED_SHIFT11/12/20124:00 PMThe real truth in #socialstudies is the truth of historical, evidence-based analysis--a skill all students need #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:00 PMWelcome to #sschat Let's begin by introducing ourselves. I'm Bill Chapman, a retired Social Studies teacher living in Berkeley, CA.
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classroomtools11/12/20124:01 PM@MsPuskarz Hi Jen. #sschat
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edmcgovern11/12/20124:01 PMEd McGovern- HS World History teacher in Ypsilanti, MI. Will have to leave soon to put kids to bed #sschat
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ThalesDream11/12/20124:01 PMHello. Nate teaching in Sandwich, MA - the oldest town on Cape Cod. #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:01 PM@KaelynBullock Welcome, Kaelyn! #sschat
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merchantkrystle11/12/20124:01 PMRT @ED_SHIFT: The real truth in #socialstudies is the truth of historical, evidence-based analysis--a skill all students need #sschat
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MsPuskarz11/12/20124:01 PMJen from CT teach civics and world history #sschat
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KaelynBullock11/12/20124:01 PMI'm Kaelyn, 8-12 gr. social studies teacher in Seattle #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:01 PM@ED_SHIFT Thanks! I agree, all students need the skills to analyze historical evidence. #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:02 PMRT @cybraryman1: “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” Galileo #sschat
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ED_SHIFT11/12/20124:02 PMJustin from Wabash, IN 7th grade social studies teacher (Eastern Hemisphere), ss dept. chair. #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:02 PM@kjaycock Hi Kevin! #sschat
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y2cale11/12/20124:02 PM#sschat Cale Warden here. Junior at Wichita State University and future History/Government teacher.
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cybraryman111/12/20124:02 PM“All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” Galileo #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:02 PM@edmcgovern Hello Ed. Happy to have you participate for as long as you can. #sschat
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kathrynteacher11/12/20124:02 PMHi there. Kathryn from Chicago. World Studies & US History teacher #sschat
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PrincipalEit11/12/20124:02 PMRT @bcurrie5: Hope to see many of you at the inaugural @EdcampNJ on December 1. Sign up for free ~ http://t.co/ufkXwM6T #sschat #edchat ...
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classroomtools11/12/20124:02 PM@ThalesDream Hi Nate. #sschat
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kjaycock11/12/20124:02 PMKevin from NC U.S. History
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Ron_Peck11/12/20124:02 PMHi, Ron from Medford, Oregon. Getting ready and excited for #NCSS12 in Seattle! #sschat
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burgessdave11/12/20124:03 PMDave Burgess from San Diego. Us History teacher and PD speaker. #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:03 PM@WSUSocStudies Hi Dan. Welcome back! #sschat
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ThalesDream11/12/20124:03 PM@cybraryman1 Interesting quote from Galileo. I'm not sure his papal handlers agreed. Good one for students to parse. #sschat
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edmcgovern11/12/20124:03 PMRT @cybraryman1: “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.” Galileo #sschat
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mackiefloyd11/12/20124:03 PMhello everyone, Mike from CT here, 8th grade American History #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:03 PM@y2cale Welcome Cale! #sschat
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WSUSocStudies11/12/20124:03 PMDan Krutka here! I teach pre-service social studies teachers @WichitaState after 6years teaching high school in OKC. #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:03 PM@cybraryman1 Thanks, and welcome Jerry! #sschat
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MinfordLovett11/12/20124:04 PM#sschat Minford Lovett student at Wichita State University and Pre-Student Teaching at Wichita North High School.
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classroomtools11/12/20124:04 PMQ1 - How do you personally decide whether assertions are true or not? #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:04 PM@burgessdave Hello Dave. #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:04 PM@mackiefloyd Hi Mike. Welcome! #sschat
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Aaron_Eyler11/12/20124:05 PMAaron Eyler....Assistant Principal...former SS teacher....history lover. #sschat
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bcurrie511/12/20124:05 PM#sschat Brad Currie, NJ school administrator. Currently reading @burgessdave "Teach Like a Pirate" I highly recommend.
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Ron_Peck11/12/20124:05 PMA1: Verification and credibility checks. The source is important. #sschat
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ED_SHIFT11/12/20124:05 PM@classroomtools I teach triangulation of sources in general and to test historical theory #sschat
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MapM8ker11/12/20124:05 PM#sschat Happy Geography Awareness Week! Annie in VA, a K-12 SS Coordinator and VA Geographic Alliance coordinator in training!
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edmcgovern11/12/20124:05 PM#sschat Topic tonight?
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classroomtools11/12/20124:05 PM@MinfordLovett Welcome to #sschat Minford!
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classroomtools11/12/20124:06 PM@Aaron_Eyler Welcome back to #sschat Aaron!
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ThalesDream11/12/20124:06 PMA1: Go to the source. Analyze from different perspectives. Ask critical questions. #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:06 PM@bcurrie5 Hi Brad! #sschat
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kennethcdavis11/12/20124:07 PM#sschat @kennethcdavis author... always enjoy dropping in on the chat
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kathrynteacher11/12/20124:07 PMA1: Assertion is followed by solid proof from docs & explanation #sschat
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WSUSocStudies11/12/20124:07 PMA1: I don't look at it as having true assertions as much as ones w more reasoning & evidence. I'm a bit of a pragmatist though. #sschat
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Aaron_Eyler11/12/20124:07 PM@classroomtools Thank you, Bill. #sschat
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KaelynBullock11/12/20124:07 PMA1: Try to look at all sides, almost anything can be argued to be true #sschat
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Aaron_Eyler11/12/20124:07 PMQuestions should dominate always RT @ThalesDream: A1: Go to the source. Analyze from different perspectives. Ask critical questions. #sschat
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ThalesDream11/12/20124:07 PMRT @classroomtools: Q1 - How do you personally decide whether assertions are true or not? #sschat
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Ron_Peck11/12/20124:08 PM@kennethcdavis Welcome! Thanks for joining us. How do you discern facts in your research? #sschat
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mseideman11/12/20124:08 PM@kennethcdavis welcome to #sschat we are honored
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y2cale11/12/20124:08 PM#sschat A1 Multiple source check. Tough to regain credibility if you're caught backing up a falsehood.
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ThalesDream11/12/20124:08 PMA1: Digging deeper. I suppose it depends on what the assertion is. Sometimes 'common knowledge' gets a free pass too easily. #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:08 PM@ThalesDream and @Ron_Peck Is it possible to have two opposing true answers to the same question? #sschat
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burgessdave11/12/20124:08 PM@bcurrie5 Thanks, Brad...I'm stoked you're liking it. Been thinking of all,of you in NJ and hoping all is well. #sschat
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bcurrie511/12/20124:09 PM@burgessdave We are all hanging in there. Looking forward to @EdcampNJ on December 1. http://t.co/ufkXwM6T #sschat
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ED_SHIFT11/12/20124:09 PM@classroomtools @ThalesDream @Ron_Peck Absolutely 2 possible truths-there can be many, depending on the emphasis and perspective #sschat
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mikekaechele11/12/20124:09 PM@classroomtools @ThalesDream @Ron_Peck I think there are always multiple viewpoints in history #sschat
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kennethcdavis11/12/20124:09 PMConfirming sources just like journalism 101 #sschat
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Ron_Peck11/12/20124:09 PM@classroomtools Truth is relative, facts are not. #sschat
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ThalesDream11/12/20124:09 PMA1: For instance, take the assertion 'Slavery ended after the Civil War.' Does convict leasing make the previous statement untrue? #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:10 PM@Ron_Peck Generally, I agree; but sometimes facts conflict. Look at the example here http://t.co/amM3eKvp #sschat
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Aaron_Eyler11/12/20124:10 PMAll good footnotes have footnotes to back up their footnotes. #sschat
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MapM8ker11/12/20124:10 PM#sschat A1 A great example of this by T. Mills Kelly @ GMU -http://t.co/BmCQoBNG
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WSUSocStudies11/12/20124:11 PMI love this pragmatic quote: "All I mean by truth is the path I have to travel." - Oliver Wendell Holmes #sschat
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mritzius11/12/20124:11 PMRT @bcurrie5: Hope to see many of you at the inaugural @EdcampNJ on December 1. Sign up for free ~ http://t.co/ufkXwM6T #sschat #edchat ...
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KaelynBullock11/12/20124:11 PMWas using @SHEG lesson this wk, asked S to predict what next doc would say, he guessed it would be opp. bc that is what I usually do #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:12 PMRT @WSUSocStudies: I love this pragmatic quote: "All I mean by truth is the path I have to travel." - Oliver Wendell Holmes #sschat
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burgessdave11/12/20124:12 PM@bcurrie5 @EdcampNJ Super glad it's still a go. Count me in for one of those t-shirts to support the cause. #sschat Hope many here will buy
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classroomtools11/12/20124:12 PM@MapM8ker Thanks Annie, and welcome to tonight's #sschat
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kennethcdavis11/12/20124:12 PMWe deal in facts- George Washington owned slaves- and opinions _Washington was great even tho he owned slaves- big difference #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:12 PMRT @MapM8ker: #sschat A1 A great example of this by T. Mills Kelly @ GMU -http://t.co/BmCQoBNG
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KaelynBullock11/12/20124:12 PMI love that they are getting used to the idea of 2 opposing sides to history @SHEG #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:13 PM@KaelynBullock Why limit it to two. Sometimes there are more, and occasionally only one. #sschat @SHEG
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Ron_Peck11/12/20124:13 PMYes, facts can conflict. The context is key to the interpretation of facts. #sschat
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ThalesDream11/12/20124:14 PMA1: Students often default to textbooks = truth. James Loewen is great. http://t.co/DjCiXI4t #sschat
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murrbev11/12/20124:14 PMComing in late and probably will be lurking as I'm catching up on work. Mary from VA- high school gov't and world history teacher #sschat
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MapM8ker11/12/20124:14 PMRT @mikekaechele: Not sure "truth" is how I view history, more a question of which perspective of history people believe #sschat
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cybraryman111/12/20124:14 PMAll About Explorers http://t.co/FuL4nFW8 by @geraldaungst Teaches students to be careful about information on websites #sschat
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mikekaechele11/12/20124:14 PMNot sure "truth" is how I view history, more a question of which perspective of history people believe #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:14 PMRT @kennethcdavis: @Ron_Peck Great point Context is key...#sschat
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kennethcdavis11/12/20124:14 PM@Ron_Peck Great point Context is key...#sschat
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merchantkrystle11/12/20124:15 PMRT @mikekaechele: Not sure "truth" is how I view history, more a question of which perspective of history people believe #sschat
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BlakeSc8612325511/12/20124:15 PMA1. I agree, you gotta go to the source and examine the facts and circumstances #sschat #wsuchat
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KaelynBullock11/12/20124:15 PM@classroomtools Very true.Love that they are learning that hist is an interpretation of the past, not just a list of names & dates #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:15 PMRT @ThalesDream: A1: Students often default to textbooks = truth. James Loewen is great. http://t.co/DjCiXI4t #sschat
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Aaron_Eyler11/12/20124:15 PMThere are more than three sides to any history. #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:15 PM@mikekaechele But can't people believe and pass on things that are demonstrably false? #sschat
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Ron_Peck11/12/20124:15 PMAll too often people will use facts without understanding the context of the facts. Misinterpretation follows. #sschat
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ThalesDream11/12/20124:16 PM@classroomtools Yes, especially when nationalism challenges history. 'How the West was Won' for instance. #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:16 PM@Ron_Peck Thanks! #sschat
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mikekaechele11/12/20124:16 PMFacts are often only recorded from the "winning" side of history. Need to dig to find other perspectives #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:16 PMQ2 - What techniques do you teach students to help them validate Internet information? #sschat
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Ron_Peck11/12/20124:16 PM@classroomtools Love your page on "Is that a fact?" http://t.co/I2FqpeFi #sschat
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kennethcdavis11/12/20124:16 PMBut "interpretation" still must be landed in fact... #sschat
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classroomtools11/12/20124:16 PM@murrbev Welcome Mary! Happy to have you participate for as long as possible. #sschat
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burgessdave11/12/20124:17 PMRecent tours through major cable news channels during election coverage proved truth is tough to come by! #sschat
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kennethcdavis11/12/20124:17 PMTurn on the news! RT @Ron_Peck: @kennethcdavis Yes, but how often are the facts twisted to support an opinion. #sschat
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