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2021-01-15 09:48:17.3 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Hello work?
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2021-01-15 09:48:20.4 PST
Eric Christensen
Hey, how you doing?
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2021-01-15 09:48:22.7 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Doing good.
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2021-01-15 09:48:26.9 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
You have a.
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2021-01-15 09:48:27.6 PST
Eric Christensen
Well that's good. It's been a lot of.
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2021-01-15 09:48:33.0 PST
Eric Christensen
Turmoil, I think was the great reset. No to hear you say that.
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2021-01-15 09:48:39.5 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Oh, yeah. So, yeah, the.
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2021-01-15 09:48:46.7 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
One way of looking at it uh-huh I guess that's why it's a good day because today's the end, so.
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2021-01-15 09:48:57.5 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
That.
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2021-01-15 09:48:58.2 PST
Eric Christensen
Yeah, this.
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2021-01-15 09:49:03.0 PST
Eric Christensen
So.
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2021-01-15 09:49:06.6 PST
Eric Christensen
Wonder how much your dream or dream played into that decision?
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2021-01-15 09:49:18.5 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Several, well.
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2021-01-15 09:49:22.7 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
So, two different parts. One was the topic I wanted to talk about, was this relationship between lawn grace.
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2021-01-15 09:49:34.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
So that was the thing I wanted to say and it's also important and then, I had this dream, the dream illustrated that point clearly and concise way and after going through that, I felt the sense of emotional closure. So.
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2021-01-15 09:49:55.8 PST
Eric Christensen
Emotional what?
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2021-01-15 09:49:58.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Closer.
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2021-01-15 09:50:02.4 PST
Eric Christensen
Closure.
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2021-01-15 09:50:04.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Closure POS, you are.
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2021-01-15 09:50:07.8 PST
Eric Christensen
Okay.
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2021-01-15 09:50:09.5 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
And, oh, long, I haven't explained this very well, I'll try again today, is that when you know, the first so she's going to be reset. Well, we kinda, we didn't know what you're doing, it's bigger than the army anything but we did seven of the six of these and then stopped on the seventh to, to sort of rest and reflect. I said, you know, this is good. We should just do this 26 episodes in stop and reflect and then after six season we should stop and reflect and then do a seven season and that's sort of always been in the back of my head and I wasn't quite sure how it would work out. My dream was that by the end of the sixties and it would all become clear and then we would just do that for the seven seas.
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2021-01-15 09:51:01.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
And, while many things become clear to me, I think it's safe to say, we've not reach consensus. Must have anything at this point but if anything that's even more reason to stop and, and try something different.
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2021-01-15 09:51:22.7 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
So, there was always the plan for some sort of says transition at the end of the sixties and I didn't know what and so that was the primary motivation but all these other things that into it.
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2021-01-15 09:51:41.3 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Terms of how I thought about it and frame get communicated it.
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2021-01-15 09:51:42.0 PST
Eric Christensen
Mm-hmm.
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2021-01-15 09:51:49.8 PST
Eric Christensen
Well, haven't reached a consensus about anything.
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2021-01-15 09:51:55.8 PST
Eric Christensen
I feel like there's a few things like the couple of the methods that we're dabbled in, like the community protocol and the DBS. I think the consensus was. Those were really good when we did a.
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2021-01-15 09:52:17.3 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Positive things that people want, right.
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2021-01-15 09:52:27.4 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
That.
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2021-01-15 09:52:30.2 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
We did the people what, but I don't think there's a consensus in terms of what the thing we should be doing next him forever. That's where I feel like there's no clear consensus.
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2021-01-15 09:52:46.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
And I think there's a lot of people who like different things and would like to see more of certain things. It's not that, that's the same as the content.
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2021-01-15 09:52:56.4 PST
Eric Christensen
Okay, well, I don't know if.
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2021-01-15 09:53:00.6 PST
Eric Christensen
That question was clearly in front of the group each time whether or not a given session was what we wanna do next and forever.
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2021-01-15 09:53:02.3 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Mm-hmm.
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2021-01-15 09:53:14.9 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Yeah. No, I'm, I'm saying that the places that I've been trying to, I mean the general sense is that with.
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2021-01-15 09:53:30.5 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
The crew of me and David and Ted. Hi, difficulty reaching consensus about what the great recession is and what we should be doing and the larger group.
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2021-01-15 09:53:47.3 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
There's been dealing with everyone wanting to leave for the both, the last few sessions. It's, I think productive in many ways and if anything it complicate the question of what are we doing? So let me just say I'm not really clear on what's the group needs or what the one.
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2021-01-15 09:54:13.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
And I don't have any when they're talking about being empty, it's like, okay, there's many different layers of the, there's only answer is that I don't know what to do next. I need to re.
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2021-01-15 09:54:25.2 PST
Eric Christensen
Oh.
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2021-01-15 09:54:30.6 PST
Eric Christensen
You're already, okay.
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2021-01-15 09:54:36.0 PST
Eric Christensen
Yeah.
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2021-01-15 09:54:37.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Yeah, and it's like if there was a clear Christmas is like, obviously we're doing this and obviously we should do that.
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2021-01-15 09:54:44.9 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Any, probably the better way of saying, I'm probably some things we agree on, probably some things we disagree about and.
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2021-01-15 09:54:55.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
It's not obvious to me what to do next and say, you know, even just having these extra four days between sessions.
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2021-01-15 09:55:04.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
This was the norm is a waste of my shoulders and time to, to sort of rusted reflect the thing for me. And I don't know if this is good or bad or natural or unhealthy or all of the above but that I feel I sent you the sponsor ability to the group. People have expectations when they stop people have concerns people have needs and you know, I tried to be mindful of that not to call by that way to them but nine.
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2021-01-15 09:55:40.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
And so I feel like that, hey, layers and expectations and emotions about the group was getting on manageable for and it wasn't clear.
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2021-01-15 09:56:03.5 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
I could not see a resolution and so I said like I think this is a good time to stop because the one thing that I, like I started trying to, to make the same mistake five or six times. It's like a let me stop and see if maybe the group is a problem with the structure even using the problem with that.
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2021-01-15 09:56:29.4 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
To me, that's the problem I don't know to stop. And then, I think, there are things that people in Jordan appreciative and understand what those were and to step out of the system reimagine it. Then, maybe we find something people. So, yes, that is the thing I want to do what to do that, I don't know what that.
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2021-01-15 09:56:55.8 PST
Eric Christensen
Yeah, well.
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2021-01-15 09:57:01.2 PST
Eric Christensen
The way, I understood it, correct me if I'm wrong but it was too, I'm trying to find a way of crew are helping each other be more like do this or, you know, Cota site will ship add to do it in a way that others could see what happened and also do it.
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2021-01-15 09:57:19.7 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Yeah, so, yes, that is. Yes.
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2021-01-15 09:57:30.5 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Yes.
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2021-01-15 09:57:34.7 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
And that was the goal. Yeah, no that's a, that's a very good statement of the goal, that's what came to around season three, that's great.
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2021-01-15 09:57:34.8 PST
Eric Christensen
Is that capture?
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2021-01-15 09:57:45.3 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
And I think we've done lots of things that have helped certain people with certain say.
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2021-01-15 09:57:50.4 PST
Eric Christensen
Uh-huh.
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2021-01-15 09:57:51.5 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
And you know, DBS was definitely one of the most powerful practices. There was this tension which I have not fully resolved between, you know, DDS and understood Seuss's with TDS one, is that just whole stack? It wasn't the stuff to you then helping us uncover unresolved relational issue.
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2021-01-15 09:58:20.3 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
I'm gonna say it couldn't do that but it didn't, it didn't do that.
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2021-01-15 09:58:21.0 PST
Eric Christensen
Well, but the what?
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2021-01-15 09:58:24.6 PST
Eric Christensen
Well, okay, so the way I've seen that happen in DBS groups is when the text, you know, when everyone's seriously focused on the text and then the text says something that makes a person feel like there's step of obedience needs to be reconciliation.
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2021-01-15 09:58:49.2 PST
Eric Christensen
And so the interesting thing about that is that it's, I'm not being voiced or the motivating factor is not coming from another person but it's coming from the techs to a person part and then you know, somehow it gets worked out in the group but that.
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2021-01-15 09:59:15.0 PST
Eric Christensen
I feel like we kind of did it just a few times and jumped around a lot on the text that we use.
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2021-01-15 09:59:26.4 PST
Eric Christensen
And.
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2021-01-15 09:59:31.8 PST
Eric Christensen
I don't know, like, so the thing with Peter, I'm being stated by Jesus and that is his basic means or but his role was, was to feed Jesus is cheap.
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2021-01-15 09:59:35.3 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Uh-huh.
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2021-01-15 09:59:52.8 PST
Eric Christensen
Yeah.
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2021-01-15 09:59:53.3 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Mm-hmm. Yes, sir. Uh-huh.
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2021-01-15 09:59:55.8 PST
Eric Christensen
And the word lambs and she is used both, both of those are used but he's a fisherman and now he's being told to you know, feed the sheet or these lamps and I feel like there's obedience in that for us are we.
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2021-01-15 10:00:19.8 PST
Eric Christensen
Viewing each other as god, cheaper or lambs you know, a valued but vulnerable possession of our father. So I don't know the.
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2021-01-15 10:00:36.5 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Hello. Oh, yeah, I'm not sure what your meeting. I think the thing was just like a little trickle back when we tried to do the group David a particular experience that as creating a context for sue reconciliation. The experiences that are they talking about X. thing that was keeping us from having these hard questions about relationships and discuss. And I'm not saying that's got her about who's fault. I think that's just the fact that the way we practice it, not make him feel like he was able to raise issues that David Johnson. Yeah, remember the whole, we did get it to the parable of velocity.
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2021-01-15 10:01:06.6 PST
Eric Christensen
Who, David?
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2021-01-15 10:01:10.8 PST
Eric Christensen
Yeah, but to be fair, yeah, but David did only like, he was only critical of everything that happened as long as I was in the group and.
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2021-01-15 10:01:24.5 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
So, so Eric you're missing the point.
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2021-01-15 10:01:30.6 PST
Eric Christensen
Okay.
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2021-01-15 10:01:31.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Hey, this is the target market. He is, he is very weird and he does not have an emotional attachment to the DS. But he's willing to show up and study script.
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2021-01-15 10:01:34.8 PST
Eric Christensen
Okay.
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2021-01-15 10:01:39.0 PST
Eric Christensen
Yes.
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2021-01-15 10:01:43.2 PST
Eric Christensen
No.
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2021-01-15 10:01:46.7 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
And so, the question I'm asking is so like, okay, you know, is that and this is kind of been actually discuss with the whole point about the law and the spirit.
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Ernest Prabhakar
Is that?
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2021-01-15 10:02:01.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
I am not.
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2021-01-15 10:02:04.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Touched to methodology, right. I am attached to people and one of the reasons that one of the reasons I sounded great reset it says my experience of Christianity is that as, as a delicate Christianity on the, on the fundamental inside of it was that there was a clear sense of Jesus saves you from being a center and then you become a Christian.
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2021-01-15 10:02:09.6 PST
Eric Christensen
Yeah, yeah. Okay. I totally with you on that.
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2021-01-15 10:02:35.9 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
And that's a really, really big deal. And then what happens after that, it's always been kind of murky.
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2021-01-15 10:02:46.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Like there's a general sense that there is a thing like, saying it's bad and something should be done about it but that's about as far as it went. Yup, this is was largely on it. I grew up with intellectual knowledge and religious observances showing up to inquire time typing, reading your Bible learning theology. Yeah, to maintain it's like, you're in, you're good now, maintain.
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2021-01-15 10:03:13.2 PST
Eric Christensen
To sort of maintain.
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2021-01-15 10:03:19.8 PST
Eric Christensen
And pay your time.
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2021-01-15 10:03:21.5 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
I'm pretty good. Yeah, absolutely and it's like those are the things.
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2021-01-15 10:03:28.7 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
But the thing that I discovered he's that, have you seen my experience? I had another dream. You know, you didn't take it seriously logical if you want but I found the volume meeting for me and the TV version of it is just it was kind of like a dog park for humans.
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2021-01-15 10:03:52.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
And the people who are traveling all over the place, but that everyone there was also trained and have the tools to keep it up and pick it up and put it away and the proper place, as opposed to a big fancy Christine building with a few toilets tucked away in quarters. The idea being that if you're dealing with human, you say okay, only in, in this area in this way where we know how to deal with it.
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2021-01-15 10:04:23.9 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
What is your what say seat? They're going to come over the place. So the best thing to do is say okay truck here. Do you know how to clean it up?
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2021-01-15 10:04:34.8 PST
Eric Christensen
Yeah.
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2021-01-15 10:04:35.3 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
And that was, that's kind of my vision, I think is like what David means I train wreck church. I've never quite sure she and I understand anything together but that's my business like, okay, sure to be the place. Well we try to send more here, if you will rather than out in the world because we're learning how to clean it up that are and so yeah, and then that was the thing I don't want you to be Tom is another law says you must do these things and, and, and ask this way. So the DBS works for you.
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2021-01-15 10:05:13.1 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
My question is what can we do so that they'll just willing to show up like the olden days only Jesus like of the gospel was really quick Jesus one silver you thought was it didn't matter if you were at the cycle or Sarah see or prostitute architecture your, you wanted him from self when you wanted them for the food was he took the teaching you can.
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2021-01-15 10:05:35.2 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Literally, you're following Jesus as long as he went for he nice concrete action and just getting around. Jesus had an impact on you and eventually. Apologies this long enough, either leave him or give up and running away cause you can handle it.
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2021-01-15 10:05:55.7 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Most of that is like a dead.
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2021-01-15 10:05:58.2 PST
Eric Christensen
Yeah, well and so there was also though the twelve whom he selected and he really focused on them in a, a developmental way and then there were lots of people that were also call his disciples that came around and just kind of listen to is whenever they found opportunity.
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2021-01-15 10:06:19.7 PST
Ernest Prabhakar
Yeah, you didn't hear the latest thing for me I just realized reset all about Jesus putting, putting people in quite Jesus trained to disciple thing is when the crisis came betrayed them and ten of the rest abandon. So like even though he went to all the training and all that teaching others and experiences in relationship, I'm just came to solve virtually all of them following Jesus.
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2021-01-15 10:06:55.8 PST
Eric Christensen
Yeah.