BCC Reconstruction Round 3 FOUR Designs Survey (Responses)
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TimestampConceptual Design 6 - tell us what you think:Conceptual Design 6A - tell us what you think:Conceptual Design 7 - tell us what you think:Conceptual Design 7A - tell us what you think:general comments
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10/26/2017 16:27:34These all look like nice plans, however, is there enough space for weightlifting and nautilus type equipment? One of the main reasons I don't use the old rec center (which is within walking distance) is because all the weightlifting and nautilus equipment is packed into a tiny space without any room between equipment (I really don't care about using a pool) and I don't like having to drive over to the Derda Center so it would be nice if this area was bigger. Craig Dukes (Broomfield native - 44 years)This again doesn't look like there's enough room for weights and nautilus equipment
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10/26/2017 20:51:24I like that the pool has the hit tub between the two pools, it is nice not to dodge kids to soak after a workout. Cold pool has to be 8 lanes minimum. Having all the fitness and childcare areas together makes sense. I like the walking track above the gym.I don't like the layout of the pools. Childcare area is inconvenient to gym, pool, and fitness.This many levels is just silly and inconvenient if you want to use more than one fitness area.This many levels is just silly and inconvenient if you want to use more than one fitness area.
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10/27/2017 11:21:24We like the main floor design, but not enough parking and accessible parking spaces, and handicapped people have to walk across traffic to get to door....no spaces by the sidewalk.Not nearly enough parking spaces and exterior community plaza is a waste of money and space.The best number of parking spaces and more handicapped parking spaces by the sidewalk. Also good access for senior center from the entry. Our number one choice of designs from this group.Lost some parking spaces and hate the exterior plaza part of the design.
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10/27/2017 20:10:556A
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10/29/2017 16:01:59I think that you have done a great job overall AND there is one component which needs to be addressed. That is the warm water pool. I have been attending the arthritis water exercise class for three years and am certain that it helped me in being strong going into back and knee surgeries and recovering from them. I am about 5'6" tall and always stand in water up to my shoulders. There are men and women taller than I am who also 'need' this depth of water. It is important to remember that arthritis effects the shoulders and neck as well as the lower body. Many of us enjoy using the deep water as well for 'bicycling' on our noodles and working out in a more vigorous fashion. I will surely miss the larger pool in terms of being able to 'travel' longer distances as we exercise, and I wonder about the steps which seem to be at the side of the pool. Do they extend the full length of the pool? This seems like wasted space. BE SURE TO HAVE RAILINGS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STEPS WHICH ARE USED TO ENTER THE POOL, LIKE THE PORTABLE UNIT CURRENTLY IN USE AT BCC. This is critically important for people who are advanced in age or crippled from an injury, recovering from surgery, or very arthritic. My husband and I have lived in Broomfield for over 25 years, we have no children and basically use only the library, the auditorium and the gym and pool at BCC. We do hope that people like us will be considered. Feel free to contact me at Tinaregina@aol.com or call me at 303-466-2879. Thank you for your hard work! Christina Lynn-Craig

P.S. It would be great to have the architects actually take an arthritis water exercise class with the people who use the pool at BCC - they would have a MUCH greater understanding of the needs of the community if they did.
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10/29/2017 16:26:08I love the pool design with new lockers. This looks like a well thought out accessible plan.jWhat is the point of keeping part of the old rec center? Is there a monetary factor or just a sentimental nod to the past? Let’s build all of it new and have the extra 45 parking spaces.I’m not sure how this would look visually. Probably great views but gym and track are harder to access. Very grateful for bigger pool area. This has the most parking which is a plus.Once again less parking in 7A. There should be 2 elevators with the gym and track on the upper floors.
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10/30/2017 20:43:03This concept gets my vote. The two story design is preferable over the four story design. It will be easier to supervise, secure and operate. I don't like the woodshop next to the senior offices due to the dust and noise. It would be better located away from classrooms and offices. I discussed this plan with Erica and she has provided Ben with our suggestions for moving some rooms around. The child watch and preschool rooms and playground would benefit from moving to the area where the woodshop and art room are currently located. This would provide the playground with a southern exposure and allow it to be used nearly year-round. It seems inconvenient to have the guard offices and wet conference room all the way in the corner of the natatorium. These rooms would work better where the fitness room is located. Overall this design works the best in my opinion.
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11/1/2017 11:09:49This is the best of the options. I do not want a 4 level building in my backyard and this solution provides seating for swim team events, gym and pool facilities on the same level and the most parking availability for the 2 level building options. This also will reduce the noise levels in the pool area without the gyms on top.Good design, but not enough parkingA four level building is too high for this part of the community and a gym on the 3rd level floor with running track on the 4th level will create a lot of noise on the 1st level. This design does not show seating for swim team event either.A four level building is too high for this part of the community and a gym on the 3rd level floor with running track on the 4th level will create a lot of noise on the 1st level. This design does not show seating for swim team event either.
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11/1/2017 11:24:04My hope for the new Community Center is that we get an 8 lane pool with enough deck space for swim teams. Also it is important that the cold pool is separated from the warm/therapy pool. This will be a great thing for youth swim teams and masters swim teams alike! But it will only get maximum utilization is there are 8 lanes - we'll never be able to host meets without it!
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11/1/2017 13:58:07I like this the best. The ends of the lanes would be the place for timing equipment and judges---the sides would be where spectators and competitors would watch or wait. I like the warm pool next to the cold pool so that warmups can be done while a meet is in progress.

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11/1/2017 16:47:12Bad to put the senior lounge next to child watch and preschool. Don't want to listen to screaming kids when enjoying senior drop-in activities.Nice to have some time of lounge. I just can't believe there is so little space in all of the designs for senior activities.
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11/1/2017 17:09:46Okay, buts takes up a lot of land. Okay, but takes up s lot of land. Love it! The pool area gets a great view of the reservoir, as does Lakeshore. The track on the 4th floor gets great views of the mountains and reservoir. This design allows for more parking and less land area by buildings. Best option! The flow is great and the senior lounge is away from the more active areas. Best on views and land area encumbered.
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11/1/2017 17:38:52Absolutely not! 4 stories is WAY too tall and unnecessary. It doesn't save any space, and seems like a complete waste of money. Bad flow.Again, 4 stories is NOT ideal. Seniors aren't going to want to go up to the 4th floor to walk the track. And what about those of us who live behind this 4-story building moved here because of the view. Don't take it!
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11/3/2017 13:42:26We need 6 lanes in the warm water pool.We need 6 lanes in the warm water pool.We need 6 lanes in the warm water pool.We need 6 lanes in the warm water pool.
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11/3/2017 16:37:05I would prefer this plan as it allows for 8 lane pool and lesser vertical footprint.
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11/4/2017 10:37:33Warm water pool should be 6 lanes to accomodate classes (sometimes 2 at once.) Derda is too small for classes.Warm water pool should be 6 lanes to accomodate classes. Derda is too small for classes.Warm water pool should have 6 lanes to accomodate classes, which are well attended by more elderly people. Derda is too small.
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11/4/2017 14:40:42The warm water pool needs 6 lanes, you can remove the exterior community plaza. People can use the side with the lake for a plaza.
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11/4/2017 19:52:54There is too much parking on all of these concepts. The peak hour parking demand for the existing community center is after the bay (seasonal) and the courts parking lots are empty. Even when the bay is open when is the peak parking time? Probably mid day when the Community Center has low usage. Encourage shared parking between existing parking lots by moving building west / closer to Spader Way. How about a maximum of 100 parking spaces and shared parking for the rest? Has a traffic/ parking study been conducted?

Where's the outdoor space and active amenities? Let's create some active outdoor spaces for recreation...outdoor basketball, outdoor bocce ball courts, outdoor walking track loop, artificial turf area for outdoor classes. Let's get people outside.

Or if you are keeping the building where it is, how about 3 access points on Spader instead of 4? Share access points by closing the north access point for the bay and combining a new access point between the Community Center and the bay.

More walkways in the parking lot. Rotate parking lot 90 degrees so people don't drive in the eastern access lane in front of the building while people are trying to cross to the front of the building.

Remove attached walks and install detached walks along Spader to match west side of Spader along courts parking lot.

Shouldn't there be direct connectivity between the bus stop and the front door. In fact should the existing bus stops be relocated from E 3rd to an area closer to the Community Center and the Courts building. The bus stop is at such an odd location and not visible except to those driving in a car.
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11/5/2017 17:19:25I like the pools facing toward the lake BUT the warm pool MUST BE at least 6 lanes with a deep end AS IT IS NOW! Just because the swim teams have been in focus groups insisting all their needs be met, it seems the warm water pool participants, especially SENIORS, needs have been ignored. There are times when there are two or three water aerobics classes going on at the same time at BCC and the pool gets very crowded. The Monday-Wednesday-Friday 8 am and 9 am classes can take up at least half of the current pool. There are people from Westminster that take these classes because the pool is quieter than their Rec Center pool. There are many people who won't take water aerobics at PDRC because the water is too warm, there is no "deep end" and it is too noisy.

Another thing is there needs to be a good sound barrier between the two pools because it will be very difficult to hear a water aerobics instructor and sound system when a swim meet is going on at the same time. There doesn't need to be two hot tubs, just one large one with an ADA lift. If a therapy pool won't hold at least twelve people who each have six feet of space, then it's a waste of time. Are you going to expect people to draw straws to see who will be able to attend a class in it?

The main entrance needs to have at least one dedicated Senior Customer Service person to take care of lunches and other Senior services. It also looks like there is a lot of wasted space in the Cabana area. Tighten up that space and add it to the Women's locker room. There is no reason the Men's locker room has to be the same amount of space as the Women's. That seems to be a universal problem in buildings designed by men; the women's areas get crowded fast. There are never enough benches, wall hooks, sinks, mirrors, shelf space, outlets, etc. Why does the Pool Mechanical area need to be 3000 sq. ft.? That's 1-1/2 times the size of my 3 bedroom, 3 bath house ranch house. Again, this is space that can be used to add two more lanes to the warm water pool. Why are there two Lakeshore storage areas sticking out into the hallway? Can't they be incorporated into the Lakeshore room which would give them that wasted hallway space?

Please, Please design this right the first time so Broomfield doesn't get into the same situation that it has in the past with the Library and Auditorium, PDRC, and the HHS building in that the buildings had to be made smaller because of budget constraints. All three of these buildings were too small from the start and now have nowhere or money to expand.
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11/7/2017 11:56:42Prefer the 7A plan.
The warm water pool should be graded. (not one depth). If possible six lanes.
Need to have locker rooms available on the 4th floor by the gym.
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11/7/2017 16:48:43Like this one but the warm pool is too small for our needs. The present 6 lane pool is just the right size for both water aerobics and swim lessons. This size allows enough room for all of the classes that use it presently plus would be adequate for future growth in the seniors taking advantage of the pool. A 4 lane pool is too small.Warm pool is too small and reduced parking lot might be inadequate.Warm pool is too small.Warm pool is too small.
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11/7/2017 19:08:52I like the 2 levels to this. It's not as massive as the 4 level building. Not very sure why the kitchen in the senior center needs to be so big. I like the looks of the gyms and workout rooms. The warm water pool needs to AT LEAST 2 more lap lanes. The therapy pool isn't very necessary. The 2 more lanes of the warm water pool are more important! If you could pull the pool from BCC and insert it for the warm water pool, that would be ideal! That pool is PERFECT for the aqua classes. The 10 feet depth is just as important. There are so many classes that are run all day long, every day, in both shallow and deep water. We need both the shallow and deep ends. Again, the warm water pool needs to be 2 lanes larger with the depth ranging from 3 feet to 10 feet deep. Therapy pool not as important.This design is so intrusive, so massive. I like how everything was fit into the plan shown in concept 6.
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11/7/2017 21:37:33I don’t understand the thinking behind the pool designs. How is making the warm pool significantly smaller going to accommodate the current class sizes? Does the plan also include eliminating services? Does the design include deep water? Or are those classes to de eliminated?I don’t understand the thinking behind the pool designs. How is making the warm pool significantly smaller going to accommodate the current class sizes? Does the plan also include eliminating services? Does the design include deep water? Or are those classes to de eliminated?I don’t understand the thinking behind the pool designs. How is making the warm pool significantly smaller going to accommodate the current class sizes? Does the plan also include eliminating services? Does the design include deep water? Or are those classes to de eliminated?I don’t understand the thinking behind the pool designs. How is making the warm pool significantly smaller going to accommodate the current class sizes? Does the plan also include eliminating services? Does the design include deep water? Or are those classes to de eliminated?
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11/7/2017 21:49:58I like the 8 lane pool an 4 lane warm pool do that lap swim and masters can have pool and then classes can have a pool and both parties have their own spaces
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11/7/2017 22:12:23I really like the larger cold water pool which is needed to accommodate the growing swimming community in Broomfield. 8-10 lanes is a must! I also like the room for seating/extra deck space as this means it may be possible to have swim meets there.
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11/8/2017 13:17:53This seems like the most logical option. It is not 4 stories high and still has everything needed. Well almost. The warm pool needs to be 6 lanes and have a deep end. PLEASE! Please DO NOT build a 4 story building in the middle of Broomfield. What SN eyesore this would be. Also need a 6 lane warm pool with a deep end. Deep water aerobics is the only thing some people can do with disability.
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11/9/2017 14:20:50I believe this is a good overall plan. I prefer the childrens play area out back rather then in front. Parking spaces seem to be good. Not enough parking. I'm concerned about cost for 7 and 7a being multilevel. I do love the idea of having space to expand as we know that will need to happen or another Rec center will have to be built eventually. The childrens play area at the front isn't the best option. Happy that all options have a nice pool area. Make sure none of the pool area gets budgeted out. We need a minimum of a 8 lanes for the cold pool! We need both a warm and cold pool separated for different uses. Make sure the pool area is designed by a pool expert. There should be a buffer area at the sides of both end lanes. This is standard these days. Do not skimp on these small details.
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11/9/2017 20:11:55Kitchen is just too big, it’s bigger than both locker rooms combined! 3,500sq’ is not acceptable. The Lakeshore rental room is only 500sq’ bigger than the kitchen. The warm lap pool must be bigger, 6 lanes to accommodate users. Kitchen is just too big, it’s bigger than both locker rooms combined! 3,500sq’ is not acceptable. The Lakeshore rental room is only 500sq’ bigger than the kitchen. The warm lap pool must be bigger, 6 lanes to accommodate users. Kitchen is just too big, it’s bigger than both locker rooms combined! 3,500sq’ is not acceptable. The Lakeshore rental room is only 500sq’ bigger than the kitchen. The warm lap pool must be bigger, 6 lanes to accommodate users. Kitchen is just too big, it’s bigger than both locker rooms combined! 3,000sq’ is not acceptable. The Lakeshore rental room is only 1,000sq’ bigger than the kitchen. The warm lap pool must be bigger, 6 lanes to accommodate users.
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11/11/2017 6:48:04As a driver for MOW, a driveway is problematic for pickup and drop off. I’m a retired teacher and schools are now flagships for p/u and d/o approaches. A dual-lane circular drive is best. No one has to back up and waiting time is minimal.For we senior drivers delivering meals for MOW, a driveway is a problem, cars are abreast and backing up is necessary...a challenge for even younger drivers.Help! We volunteer drivers for MOW are having to maneuver an L-shaped driveway while backing up??Please...as a MOW driver for over a year, a dual-laned circular drive for pick up and drop off is best. We senior drivers want to help but it’s challenging to have to pull in and back out of a loading zone.
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11/11/2017 9:29:22The four story design makes the most sense. As residents, we need to make sure that the BCC will be a source of revenue for the City and County of Broomfield. Right now, in all designs, the pool is too small. The pool has the potential to be a major source of revenue for the city. The currently utilization of the BCC is centered around the pool and senior services. These should be the main focus on the new facility. VMAC is now being booked out years in advance. The swimming programs are expanding and we are limiting ourselves to an 8 lane pool. We should reduce some of these parking spaces and make the pool a 10 lane pool and increase the size of the warm-up pool. If the water in the warm-up pool is truly warm, you could complete a zero entry and combine these two pools.

There are two ways to complete a redesign. You can do this right or you can do this over again in the future. I think we need to focus on doing this right.
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11/14/2017 12:37:01I like it but I like 6A better for the reasons I listed thereI like design 6A the best. I like the idea of the community plaza. I like that there are fewer parking spots and more building square feet. I like that the loading dock is behind the building. I think 4 levels are a bit unnecessary... If the building is built this high, I hope that the walls are clear glass to let in lots of sunlight! I spend many weekends at the Highland Park soccer fields every year and I don't want to have a giant brick wall blocking the mountains. At least glass is pretty to look at from the outside instead of a giant imposing solid brick wall. I think 4 levels are a bit unnecessary... If the building is built this high, I hope that the walls are clear glass to let in lots of sunlight! I spend many weekends at the Highland Park soccer fields every year and I don't want to have a giant brick wall blocking the mountains. At least glass is pretty to look at from the outside instead of a giant imposing solid brick wall.
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11/19/2017 12:06:59
This is the general feedback not attached to any of the designs here:
Please keep the large lap pool with 8 lanes and cooler water temperature for lap swimming, as we already have a baby pool/warmer water at P.D. rec center.
Also there is no sauna in Broomfield. Boulder has 2, Westminster 2, Louisville 1 and in winter I have to go to other rec. centers to enjoy this for my health and relaxation, especially during cold weather.
I also recommend for the Bay to have one morning only lap time, from 9 to 10 a.m. where we can swim underneath the sun in Summer.
Thank you
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Oct 30 email to Ben NanceI am one of the 2 pickleball ambassadors for Broomfield. I have been discussing with other pickleball players the potential, if the gyms are big enough, to have 4 courts/gym instead of 3 by laying them 2x2 lengthwise, instead of 3x1 widthwise. I would be happy to show you what I mean – this is by no means a certain thing, but if there is enough room outside the lines of the basketball court, it would lend itself to this layout. Otherwise, go with the 3x1 courts, with the lines painted on the floor, for both gyms.

I also have a couple of suggestions following the meeting, for you to pass on to the architect and committee –
1. As I suggested in the meeting, you should consider for the 2 story plans extending the walking track around the swimming pool and the gym, thus making it more like 6 laps / mile instead of 12 laps / mile as shown. This can be done by having ENCLOSED walkways, such that the pool’s humidity is not a factor. By putting windows looking into the pool, it gives another view point for people to look down on competitions, as well as letting people who walk have that view. However, it also SAVES Energy and Money by a) reducing the volume of the Natatorium that you have to AC/heat, and b) eliminates the condensation that would build up on the outer windows of the Natatorium, since now they face the walkway instead of the swimming area, while still providing their light to the Natatorium.
2. Consider the small expense of having the outdoor playing area for the Daycare facility enclosable. That is, having a screened-porch like area with windows that open/close for cross-breezes in mild weather, but can be closed for inclement & cold weather. This would allow the Daycare folks to have the same area used in all weather, more utilize their equipment/toys, and reduce their need to commandeer the gym for kids’ recreation on inclement days.
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Nov 1 email to councilAs the City and County of Broomfield continues so diligently to plan the new Broomfield County Center please consider these comments regarding the warm water pool design.

For the future, with the projected population growth for Broomfield, a four lane warm water pool would not be adequate. Growth in the youth population means many more slots will be required for swimming lessons. The majority of these would be in the warm water pool. Even those very "young" Barracudas will start their competitive experiences in a warm water pool. The interest in competitive swimming, by youth and older, will increase when the larger cool water pool is available. Growth in the Senior population will absolutely dictate a pool with over 4 lanes. In the current Broomfield Community Center pool there has been one arthritis class (meeting 3 times per week) that has had 47 participants and 2 instructors. This class had averaged over 30 per class over several years. Those participants simply couldn't have fit into a 4 lane pool. The need for low impact exercise emphasizing joint function will only increase. Doctors are, more and more, recommending water exercise for seniors, arthritis sufferers, and for pre- and post-surgery. For many, often those with age-related disorders, their only option for exercise is in the water due to the low stress on the joints.

Yes, everyone is aware on the term 'budget constraints', however, in this case, it will not be possible to just tear down a wall later to increase the room for more space. As you are planning for the future in our City and County, please make sure that there is room for the growth in all the aquatic classes by providing enough space for the participants.

Thank you for planning for the future at the Broomfield Community Center!
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Nov 5 email to councilAs the City and County of Broomfield continues to plan the new Broomfield Community Center consider these comments in regards to the warm water pool.
1. We are presently using five lanes for classes because there is one lane set aside for lap swimmers (mostly unused). We need a pool with six lanes because some of the classes
have 30 or more participants. We also have many times where there is more than one class in the pool at the same time.
2. Growth in our youth population will require more room for swimming lessons. The majority of these lessons will be in the warm water pool.
3. Growth in the Senior population will dictate a warm pool with more than 4 lanes.
4. Doctors are recommending more water exercise before and after surgery. Some people have disorders where there only alternative for exercise is a warm water pool.
I am very aware of the budget constraints but we need to make sure that there is room for growth in all water classes. The only way to insure room for growth is a 6 lane warm water pool.
Thank you for all you have done for the future of our Community Center and eventually our Senior Center.
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Nov 5 email to councilBecause, in my opion, seniors did not receive sufficient time at recent meetings regarding the new community center, allow me to express my opinions. I feel that master swimmers and Baracuda parents dominated these meetings. I feel that with the increased number of seniors in our community more emphasis should be placed on our needs. This should include 6 lanes for warm water classes. If you've ever visited the pool during senior classes you would see how classes are so crowded they intermingle with each other. Also, many swim lessons for children need warm water and these classes are also crowded. Please help secure a plan where seniors get as much attention as competitive swimmers.
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Nov 5 email to council and Ben NanceI taught water aerobics for the city for 16 years, primarily at BCC. All of the new plans show only four lanes in the warm water pool. That isn't enough space to conduct a true aerobic class. To have a worthwhile class, the participants need to be able to travel and not remain in one place. There also needs to be a part that has more than a 6' depth for a deep water class.

With a day care center in the building the classes are going to grow. There are people who can't swim in cooler water and will still use the warm water for lap swimming. As the new town center develops the use of the facility will grow exponentially. Plan now for the future use.

Many seniors have quit using the pool due to the cool temperature and conditions in the dressing room and the problems with the deck around the pool. Water is one of the preferred methods of exercise for many seniors, myself included. That population will also increase.

In attending the meetings, I understand that the Barracudas start the younger swimmers in the warmer water. This is a very popular program and the will definitely need more room in the pool. Late afternoons or Saturday mornings the pool is full of children in the Learn to Swim classes.

The therapy pool would not have the use of as large a population as the warm water pool would, so it makes good planning sense to look to where the most use would be.

Please consider enlarging the warm water pool to six lanes with a deep end similar to the present pool.
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