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1 | Location | Level | Title | Years at Company | Total Years Experience At Hire | Previous Company | Currency (USD/ EUR/ GBP/ etc) | Dollar value of original 4-year RSUs when granted | Base | Number of DE shares granted | Bonus (target) | Total Annual Comp | Sign-on Bonus | Are you happy with this? | |
2 | AUSTIN | E5 | Infra | 4 | 4 | $150,000 | $136,000 | $20,400 | $196,400 | $10,000 | Meh | ||||
8 | LONDON | E3 | SWE | 1 | 0 | School | $80,000 | $80,000 | $8,000 | $94,250 | I doubt anyone would be happy with being paid less than the us folks, and also with a worse work-life balance caused by time difference. | ||||
14 | IRELAND | IC4 | Analyst (other) | 3 | 0 | School | $0 | $94,500 | $9,450 | $103,950 | $0 | Nope. Edit: Had to negotiate a couple of times before getting here. Never settle. | |||
15 | CALIFORNIA | E3 | Marketing Analyst | 0 | 3 | School | $25,000 | $95,000 | $9,500 | $112,250 | $0 | Not at all. | |||
22 | CALIFORNIA | E4 | SWE | 0 | 0 | School | $150,000 | $105,000 | $10,500 | $158,130 | $75,000 | Yes | |||
23 | SEATTLE | E4 | SWE | 0 | 0 | School | $160,000 | $105,000 | $10,500 | $155,500 | $75,000 | Yes | |||
25 | CALIFORNIA | E4 | SWE | 0 | 0 | School | $150,000 | $106,000 | $10,600 | $164,100 | $75,000 | No | |||
29 | CALIFORNIA | E4 | SWE | 1.5 | 0 | School | $100,000 | $108,000 | $10,800 | $143,800 | $25,000 | No | |||
31 | CALIFORNIA | E4 | SWE | 1 | 1 | School | $200,000 | $109,000 | $10,900 | $169,900 | $75,000 | ||||
33 | CALIFORNIA | E4 | SWE | 0 | 0 | School | $100,000 | $110,000 | $11,000 | $171,750 | $75,000 | Meh | |||
35 | CALIFORNIA | E4 | SWE | 1 | 0 | School | $100,000 | $112,000 | $11,200 | $173,950 | $75,000 | Yes | |||
38 | CALIFORNIA | E4 | Data Science | 2 | 2 | School | $50,000 | $116,000 | $11,600 | $157,600 | Nope | No | |||
44 | SEATTLE | E4 | SWE | 0 | 0 | School | $120,000 | $125,000 | $12,500 | $167,500 | Never settle | ||||
45 | CALIFORNIA | E4 | SWE | 3 | 0 | School | $135,000 | $127,000 | $12,700 | $256,450 | $25,000 | Meh | |||
49 | CALIFORNIA | E4 | SWE | 2 | 0 | School | $100,000 | $131,000 | $13,100 | $201,600 | $25,000 | Yes | |||
51 | CALIFORNIA | E5 | SWE | 1 | 0 | School | $100,000 | $133,000 | $19,950 | $177,950 | $100,000 | No | |||
52 | CALIFORNIA | E5 | SWE | 2 | 0 | school | $100,000 | $133,000 | $19,950 | $197,450 | $100,000 | Meh | |||
64 | CALIFORNIA | E5 | SWE | 2 | 0.5 | School | $196,460 | $135,000 | $20,250 | $223,031 | $100,000 | yes | |||
66 | CALIFORNIA | E5 | SWE | 3 | 0 | School | $135,000 | $135,000 | $20,250 | $233,250 | $35,000 | No. Returning interns get more money than this. | |||
70 | CALIFORNIA | E5 | SWE | 1.5 | 0 | School | $100,000 | $138,000 | $20,700 | $183,700 | $25,000 | No | |||
74 | NYC | E6 | SWE | 2.5 | 0 | School | $100,000 | $139,000 | $27,800 | $266,800 | $25,000 | No | |||
80 | NYC | E6 | SWE | 2 | 2 | School | $100,000 | $140,000 | $28,000 | $258,000 | $25,000 | Meh | |||
81 | CALIFORNIA | E5 | SWE | 1.5 | 0 | School | $120,000 | $142,000 | $21,300 | $235,800 | $100,000 | Yes | |||
82 | CALIFORNIA | E6 | SWE | 2.5 | 7 | School | $180,000 | $144,000 | $28,800 | $267,800 | $100,000 | Not after seeing the other numbers | |||
89 | CALIFORNIA | E3 | SWE | 0 | 4 | School | $300,000 | $150,000 | $15,000 | $315,000 | $100,000 | Yes | |||
91 | CALIFORNIA | IC4 | SWE | 4 | 4 | School | $256,000 | $150,000 | $15,000 | $229,000 | $30,000 | ||||
98 | CALIFORNIA | IC4 | SWE | 3 | 3 | School | $120,000 | $160,000 | $16,000 | $261,000 | $50,000 | Pretty much | |||
100 | CALIFORNIA | IC4 | SWE | 2.5 | 0 | School | $152,256 | $160,000 | $16,000 | $304,400 | $100,000 | Re-assured I guess | |||
105 | CALIFORNIA | IC4 | SWE | 3 | 0 | School | $280,000 | $168,000 | $16,800 | $254,800 | Never settle | ||||
107 | CALIFORNIA | IC4 | SWE | 3 | 0 | school | $120,000 | $170,000 | $17,000 | $387,000 | $50,000 | yes | |||
110 | CALIFORNIA | IC4 | SWE | 4 | 0 | School | $450,000 | $173,000 | $17,300 | $290,300 | $50,000 | Yes | |||
112 | CALIFORNIA | IC4 | SWE | 4 | 0 | School | $270,000 | $175,000 | $17,500 | $292,500 | $20,000 | Meh | |||
117 | CALIFORNIA | IC5 | SWE | 5 | 5 | School | $400,000 | $180,000 | $27,000 | $307,000 | |||||
125 | CALIFORNIA | IC5 | SWE Manager | 4 | School | $250,000 | $190,000 | $28,500 | $943,500 | $35,000 | No | ||||
127 | CALIFORNIA | IC5 | SWE | 4 | 0 | School | $225,000 | $200,000 | 7,500 | $30,000 | $477,500 | $0 | Someone edited my total annual comp? |
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1 | shares at signing, refreshers, shares remaining? |
2 | What does 'RSUs over 4 years' column mean? |
3 | (i think it means value of RSU's in dollars when granted) |
4 | most people haven't been here 4 years, and refreshers suck, so initial grant is probably what this is |
5 | total RSUs vested and unvested is relevant for comp, but not for fairness, since it highly depends on the stock price when you got grants |
6 | maybe better to change this to # stock then? |
7 | (nah, i think $s is better because you want to think of this ex-stock appreciation) |
8 | still confused then. $ value of stock when granted, or today? i'm thinking when granted but want to make sure |
9 | wow I just wrote the current value! this is confusing |
10 | i went with value when granted... |
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12 | except a large part of compensation here is RSU based. without it, the data is largely meaningless... |
13 | I think an easy thing to look at would be total unvested rewards remaining. RSUs and income prior to 'today' can be largely variable depending on when you started, how quickly you were promoted, what level you were hired at. Looking at current level + salary + remaining unvested RSUs gives you a better sense of how you compare for the next 1-4 years. Plus it's super easy to check. Just go to the equity awards center and it gives you the number right there. |
14 | so from -'s point of view, price at grant time is all that's relevant. you can't compare to someone who has some megagrants when the stock was $20. You can can't say, so and so has $5M and that's bullshit, because the value when it was granted might be the same value you are getting. |
15 | Maybe we should have 2 different columns for "value when granted" and "current value" so people don't get confused |
16 | "value when granted" makes the most sense to me |
17 | splitting the columns leaves the data in a mess since some people were doing initial grant and some people were doing current value (the header said to do current value) |
18 | WE NEED TO GO DEEPER |
19 | I would say, (salary + RSU/4 * price when granted) is a good metric for "intended pay", and normalizes against joining dates. |
20 | Also, better questions would be Base? RSUs? Stock price when granted? And let the rest of the fields derive from that. |
21 | ^^ +1 |
22 | you could say 2014 or anticipated 2015 W2 income |
23 | Is that experience at hire or experience today? |
24 | At hire. |
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28 | So little info on this doc that when I added mine, people who sent me the link were able to guess. Awkward. (being a woman doesnt help) |
29 | All you freshgrad E3s with no work experience are impossible to re-identify. If you're a high-level, old-timer with a huge grant it takes a lot more courage/idiocy to share info here |
30 | What is it that requires so much courage/idiocy to share comp. inf.? It's money after all. Not like your pin number or deepest secrets and desires. |
31 | People see no benefit in it. Someone at some point's probably going to fuck up and leak this. |
32 | Most likely. And there is nowhere near enough data to see anything useful. There's also the problem of the volunteer bias introduced by those who are most likely to submit their info |
33 | But the fact of the matter is that someone in HR probably has all the statistics aggregated over everyone comparing race/gender/level/location/etc., so it comes down to: Do you trust the HR people to not discriminate? |
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38 | Without an anonymous platform to share this, we're never gonna get more data. How do we get this out there? |
39 | get it featured in the weekly push? |
40 | post it in global social? |
41 | |
42 | Wow... I guess I should have been a PM :( |
43 | I can't even.... |
44 | Looks like an acquihire? |
45 | PM bands seem off (IC3 reported 145k) or trolling? |
46 | The IC3 @ $250k RSUs is also off since they say they have been employed 0 years... way way out of band |
47 | looks like PM's deleted? |
48 | What did they delete? |
49 | I made a gender pivot (because OBVs no one else did). |
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53 | How are people calculating total annual? |
54 | For example, row 15... 175 + 415/4 = 278.5, but total comp = 350 |
55 | Just assuming they'll get a 40% bonus? The total comp # becomes kind of useless |
56 | I did Salary + Salary * Bonus Target + unvested RSU / 4 |
57 | I did salary + salary * bonus target + rsu value when gratned / 4 |
58 | Using the bonus target at "meets"? E.g. 15% for IC5, 10% for IC4, etc? |
59 | That is how 'target cash' is calculated, assuming meets-all for your level. |
60 | Then the totals can be a calculated cell, since some people arent doing that |
61 | Totals is a calculated cell = base + unvested_rsu/4 |
62 | |
63 | Yeah total comp column seems useless, unless we made it calculated |
64 | |
65 | Anyone knows where we can get the one for Google Employees? |
66 | It's internal Google Docs, you can't. |
67 | |
68 | Does asking for a raise ever work? |
69 | Not from what I have heard |
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73 | How is our refresher vs. Google/Twitter? |
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75 | I feel like there should be a pivot for years experience at hire and time |
76 | |
77 | Unfortunate, eh? The problems of selection bias. |
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79 | London folks -- were you hired directly, or a US employee on assignment? |
80 | wow WM skews quite significantly hire than other gender/races. wish there was more data to see |
81 | It's all statistically meaningless, there isn't anywhere near enough samples. |
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84 | Top row is frozen now, much easier to read |
85 | |
86 | Does anybody have data on what the numbers look like for Uber? I dont want to get lowballed twice.. |
87 | |
88 | Salary will usually be the same, maybe a little more. Equity you take on a bit of risk, but they seem to almost always beat what we give |
89 | |
90 | If I was offered a $20k signing bonus and $180k RSUs, which should I try and increase and what seems reasonable to ask for? |
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1 | (i think it means value of RSU's in dollars when granted) | |
2 | (nah, i think $s is better because you want to think of this ex-stock appreciation) | |
3 | i went with value when granted... | |
4 | maybe better to change this to # stock then? | |
5 | most people haven't been here 4 years, and refreshers suck, so initial grant is probably what this is | |
6 | still confused then. $ value of stock when granted, or today? i'm thinking when granted but want to make sure | |
7 | total RSUs vested and unvested is relevant for comp, but not for fairness, since it highly depends on the stock price when you got grants | |
8 | What does 'RSUs over 4 years' column mean? | |
9 | wow I just wrote the current value! this is confusing | |
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1 | COUNT of Base | AVERAGE of Base | COUNT of Dollar value of original 4-year RSUs when granted | AVERAGE of Dollar value of original 4-year RSUs when granted | COUNT of Dollar value of unvested RSUs at today's valuation | AVERAGE of Dollar value of unvested RSUs at today's valuation | ||||
2 | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | ||||
3 | E3 | 2 | $125,000 | 1 | $68,000 | 1 | $55,000 | |||
4 | E5 | 1 | $133,000 | 1 | $90,000 | 1 | $116,000 | |||
5 | E7 | 1 | $135,000 | 1 | $250,000 | 1 | $860,000 | |||
6 | IC3 | 1 | $60,000 | 1 | $7,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | |||
7 | IC4 | 1 | $164,000 | 1 | $250,000 | 1 | $450,000 | |||
8 | IC5 | 2 | $180,000 | 2 | $355,000 | 1 | $400,000 | |||
9 | Total | 8 | $137,750 | 7 | $196,429 | 5 | $376,200 | |||
10 | Analyst (other) Total | 5 | $98,500 | 5 | $30,000 | 4 | $46,900 | |||
11 | Data Science | E4 | 2 | $112,000 | 2 | $50,000 | 1 | $120,000 | ||
12 | E5 | 5 | $135,800 | 5 | $131,000 | 2 | $200,000 | |||
13 | IC1 | 1 | $145,000 | 1 | $160,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | |||
14 | IC3 | 2 | $129,000 | 2 | $130,000 | 1 | $235,000 | |||
15 | Data Science Total | 10 | $130,600 | 10 | $117,500 | 4 | $188,750 | |||
16 | DE | E4 | 1 | $130,000 | 1 | $160,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | ||
17 | DE Total | 1 | $130,000 | 1 | $160,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | |||
18 | Infra | E5 | 1 | $136,000 | 1 | $150,000 | 1 | $160,000 | ||
19 | IC4 | 1 | $96,000 | 1 | $60,000 | 1 | $220,000 | |||
20 | Infra Total | 2 | $116,000 | 2 | $105,000 | 2 | $190,000 | |||
21 | Marketing Analyst Total | 2 | $81,500 | 2 | $18,500 | 1 | $31,000 | |||
22 | Non Engineering Manager | IC5 | 1 | $202,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | 1 | $1,200,000 | ||
23 | Non Engineering Manager Total | 1 | $202,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | 1 | $1,200,000 | |||
24 | Non-Eng Total | 1 | $60,000 | 1 | $16,000 | 1 | $20,000 | |||
25 | PD Total | 1 | $155,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | 1 | $500,000 | |||
26 | PE | E3 | 2 | $60,000 | 2 | $54,000 | 1 | $50,000 | ||
27 | E4 | 5 | $121,400 | 5 | $89,000 | 2 | $136,500 | |||
28 | E5 | 3 | $135,333 | 3 | $142,667 | 3 | $167,667 | j | ||
29 | IC4 | 4 | $120,750 | 2 | $126,500 | 2 | $61,000 | |||
30 | PE Total | 14 | $115,429 | 12 | $102,833 | 8 | $118,500 | |||
31 | PM | E5 | 1 | $135,000 | 1 | $150,000 | 1 | $330,000 | ||
32 | IC2 | 1 | $155,000 | 1 | $280,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | |||
33 | IC4 | 1 | $170,000 | 1 | $500,000 | 0 | #REF! | |||
34 | PM Total | 3 | $153,333 | 3 | $310,000 | 1 | #REF! | |||
35 | Product - Non Eng | E4 | 2 | $116,500 | 1 | $33,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | ||
36 | Product - Non Eng Total | 2 | $116,500 | 1 | $33,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | |||
37 | SWE | 0 | #DIV/0! | 1 | $300,000 | 1 | $1,500,000 | |||
38 | E3 | 7 | $143,500 | 7 | $239,286 | 4 | $298,000 | |||
39 | E4 | 18 | $114,722 | 18 | $119,722 | 10 | $199,152 | |||
40 | E5 | 14 | $136,286 | 14 | $128,054 | 9 | $251,014 | |||
41 | E6 | 4 | $142,000 | 4 | $125,000 | 4 | $385,000 | |||
42 | E7 | 1 | $140,000 | 1 | $1,000,000 | 1 | $1,200,000 | |||
43 | IC2 | 1 | $168,000 | 1 | $300,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | |||
44 | IC3 | 8 | $151,500 | 8 | $284,375 | 6 | $301,833 | |||
45 | IC4 | 12 | $166,333 | 11 | $238,023 | 9 | $467,400 | |||
46 | IC5 | 7 | $186,571 | 7 | $317,857 | 3 | $730,000 | |||
47 | M1 | 3 | $228,000 | 2 | $1,170,000 | 3 | $1,533,333 | |||
48 | SWE Total | 75 | $147,353 | 74 | $232,176 | 50 | $449,805 | |||
49 | SWE (FE) Total | 1 | $105,000 | 1 | $100,000 | 1 | $128,000 | |||
50 | SWE Manager | IC5 | 3 | $193,333 | 2 | $320,000 | 3 | $1,586,667 | ||
51 | M1 | 2 | $213,500 | 1 | $800,000 | 2 | $938,000 | |||
52 | SWE Manager Total | 5 | $201,400 | 3 | $480,000 | 5 | $1,327,200 | |||
53 | Title | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | |||
54 | Level | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | |||
55 | M2 | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | |||
56 | Title Total | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | |||
57 | UIE | E5 | 3 | $140,000 | 3 | $130,000 | 2 | $210,000 | ||
58 | UIE Total | 3 | $140,000 | 3 | $130,000 | 2 | $210,000 | |||
59 | Grand Total | 134 | $139,813 | 125 | $195,448 | 86 | #REF! |
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2 | 1 | $130,000 | 1 | $160,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | ||||
3 | AUSTIN | 1 | $136,000 | 1 | $150,000 | 1 | $160,000 | |||
4 | BRAZIL | 1 | $50,000 | 1 | $48,000 | 1 | $50,000 | |||
5 | CALIFORNIA | 106 | $143,778 | 100 | $203,265 | 68 | #REF! | |||
6 | IRELAND | 4 | $81,875 | 3 | $29,667 | 2 | $61,000 | |||
7 | Location | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | |||
8 | LONDON | 6 | $108,500 | 6 | $96,250 | 4 | $208,250 | |||
9 | NYC | 6 | $159,000 | 6 | $328,333 | 5 | $487,600 | |||
10 | Oregon | 1 | $96,000 | 1 | $60,000 | 1 | $220,000 | |||
11 | SEATTLE | 7 | $150,000 | 6 | $175,000 | 3 | $46,667 | |||
12 | SINGAPORE | 1 | $100,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | 1 | $55,000 | |||
13 | Grand Total | 134 | $139,813 | 125 | $195,448 | 86 | #REF! | |||
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6 | Infra | $116,000 | 2 | $105,000 | 2 | $190,000 | ||||
7 | Marketing Analyst | $81,500 | 2 | $18,500 | 1 | $31,000 | ||||
8 | Non Engineering Manager | $202,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | 1 | $1,200,000 | ||||
9 | Non-Eng | $60,000 | 1 | $16,000 | 1 | $20,000 | ||||
10 | PD | $155,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | 1 | $500,000 | ||||
11 | PE | $115,429 | 12 | $102,833 | 8 | $118,500 | ||||
12 | PM | $153,333 | 3 | $310,000 | 1 | #REF! | ||||
13 | Product - Non Eng | $116,500 | 1 | $33,000 | 0 | #DIV/0! | ||||
14 | SWE | $147,353 | 74 | $232,176 | 50 | $449,805 | ||||
15 | SWE (FE) | $105,000 | 1 | $100,000 | 1 | $128,000 | ||||
16 | SWE Manager | $201,400 | 3 | $480,000 | 5 | $1,327,200 | ||||
17 | Title | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | 0 | #DIV/0! | ||||
18 | UIE | $140,000 | 3 | $130,000 | 2 | $210,000 | ||||
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1 | COUNT of Base | MEDIAN of Base | MEDIAN of Dollar value of original 4-year RSUs when granted | MEDIAN of Dollar value of unvested RSUs at today's valuation | MEDIAN of Total Annual Comp | |||||
2 | E3 | 17 | $100,000 | $68,000 | $50,000 | $123,750 | ||||
3 | E4 | 31 | $112,000 | $100,000 | $152,500 | $158,690 | ||||
4 | E5 | 28 | $135,000 | $125,000 | $200,000 | #VALUE! | ||||
5 | E6 | 4 | $142,000 | $110,000 | $390,000 | $267,300 | ||||
6 | E7 | 2 | $137,500 | $625,000 | $1,030,000 | $429,375 | ||||
7 | IC1 | 1 | $145,000 | $160,000 | #NUM! | $192,250 | ||||
8 | IC2 | 2 | $161,500 | $290,000 | #NUM! | $250,150 | ||||
9 | IC3 | 11 | $160,000 | $225,000 | $300,000 | $251,000 | ||||
10 | IC4 | 20 | $160,000 | $224,000 | #REF! | #REF! | ||||
11 | IC5 | 13 | $186,000 | $310,000 | $1,095,000 | $337,750 | ||||
12 | M1 | 5 | $222,000 | $1,140,000 | $1,200,000 | $576,000 | ||||
13 | M2 | 0 | #NUM! | #NUM! | #NUM! | #NUM! | ||||
14 | Grand Total | 134 | $136,000 | $132,500 | #REF! | #REF! | ||||
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