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2 | For clarity, your options are Ban (B), Do Not Ban (DNB), and Abstain (ABS) | ||||||||||||||||||
3 | Moves | Rosa | Notes | smely | Notes | Nalei | Notes | potato | Notes | Waylaid | Notes | Charm | Notes | Crucify | Notes | deg | Notes | Ban | Do Not Ban |
4 | Hypnosis | B | B | should be pretty self explanatory but this move is nonsense with 60% accuracy and sleep dice rolls | B | B | DNB | B | Low accuracy sleep presents an unacceptable degree of RNG | B | B | Sleep=Uncompetitive | 7 | 1 | |||||
5 | Lovely Kiss | B | B | it may only be on one mon but it's the same principle as hypnosis | DNB | B | DNB | DNB | See sleep powder. | DNB | mothafuckas scared of losing to jynx | B | Sleep=Uncompetitive | 4 | 4 | ||||
6 | Sing | B | B | same as hypno | B | B | DNB | B | Low accuracy sleep presents an unacceptable degree of RNG | B | B | Sleep=Uncompetitive | 7 | 1 | |||||
7 | Sleep Powder | B | B | this one is a bit tougher since like sub seed sleep cheese is considered legitimate i guess? My biggest issue is that just because it can run sub seed doesnt stop me from running it as a cheese move similar to lovely kiss. I consistently drop eq for sleep powder on custap venu for this reason | DNB | B | DNB | DNB | 90% of sleep powder sets are speed traps, which are neither overpowered nor uncompetitive nor unhealthy and would be harmed unfairly by this ban. | DNB | B | Sleep=Uncompetitive | 4 | 4 | |||||
8 | Spore | B | B | changed my mind the 1-3 is still nonsense | DNB | B | DNB | DNB | Spore simply does not introduce significant rng elements into the game between its limited distribution and its reliable effect. | DNB | mothatfuckas scared of losing to amoonguss | B | Sleep=Uncompetitive | 4 | 4 | ||||
9 | Yawn | B | B | stupid move largely due to the amount of potential abusers that exist but its just dice rolls on dice rolls that you cant control really | DNB | B | DNB | DNB | Inherently as a move, Yawn is not any more problematic than Spore, meaning that if yawn is the issue this owes to its users. The few non-sylveon users of Yawn are not considered to be either uncompetitive or unhealthy and do not factor greatly into my analysis. Sylveon itself is often considered a problematic sleep user, but most of the things yawn can cheese are also cheeseable WITHOUT yawn (aggron loses to fast babiri hvoice hbeam, volcanion loses to fast cm/mfire sets). I conclude that neither yawn's inherent structure as a move or its users force the move into uncompetitive territory. To people who argue that I'm misrepresenting sylveon and that the mon is in fact a problem, I would point out that if a common move has one abuser, it's that abuser we should ban rather than the move. | ABS | B | Sleep=Uncompetitive | 4 | 3 | |||||
10 | Acupressure | B | B | evasion nonsense | B | B | B | B | Moody but a move does not make it less stupid. | B | B | YE | 8 | 0 | |||||