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TimestampChoose your classYour HouseYour name1. Who is the speaker of the poem? 2. Who is the audience for the poem? 3. Briefly, what situation is described in the poem?4. Use line numbers to indicate the poem's major thought divisions.5. Form and Rhythm: The poem is a fourteen-line sonnet in iambic pentameter (five beats). Traditionally, sonnets are love poems. Is Millay following this traditional function of the sonnet or subverting it in some way? 6. Rhyme: The poem's rhyme scheme is ABBAABBA for lines 1-8 and CDEDCE for lines 9-14. How does this change in the rhyme scheme reflect a move in the speaker's train of thought?7a. The poem uses a series of similar key words and phrases to refer to the speaker: "forgotten," "ghosts," "unremembered," "vanished," "cannot say." What do these words/phrases tell you about the speaker? 7b. Does the "quiet pain" the speaker feels "for unremembered lads" refer to heartbreak, guilt, remorse, sadness or what? 8a. What is the tone of the poem? 8b. From what key words or phrases did you deduce the poem's tone?10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["What lips my lips have kissed" ]10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["the rain/ Is full of ghosts tonight"]10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["winter"]10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["lonely tree" (1)]10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["lonely tree" (2)]10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["birds"]10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["summer"]11. Based on all the above, what is poem's central viewpoint or insight about Love?
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PINK= You got itBLUE= Message from Dr. XRED= Nope
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9/19/2014 23:49:290858 (2:15)butlerA femaleto the men she has lost in previous relationshipsThe speaker of the poem describes the past lover of her youthful years who she has forgotten. However, since she has grown older with no lover currently, she feels that her youthful days are gone and lonely. From lines 1-3, the speaker talks about the men she has been with but forgotten. Line 4-8, the speaker expresses that the men she has forgotten haunts her with every rain drop brings her great pain for she has never taken it further or responded to them. From lines 9-14 she reflects to the men in the past and with no current lover expresses that she is lonely for the only time she was happy was short and has come and gone.

Dr X: not bad! Notice, though, that the poet "breaks" line 3 with that semi-colon and the word "but." So it's really lines 3-8.
In some ways she is subverting since sonnets usually express loves towards someone, however this poem expresses sadness, regret and lonesomeness in search of love. From lines 1-8 she describes her past and her forgotten lads that she has been with. From lines 9-14 she describes her current situation, in which she feels lonely and sadness from having no lover.These words tell me that the speaker is regretful of her past and lonely. She feels saddened that she has only lost but never gained. I think that "quiet pain" and "for unremembered lads" refer to remorse, since she regrets the days when she had many lovers but never stuck to one, as this phrase also states, "i only know that summer sang in me a little while, that in me sings no more. It also refers to sadness, since she has become lonely. affectionate/loving/caring, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honestLine 6 states, "in my heart there stirs a quiet pain."
Line 9 states, "winter stand the lonely tree."
Lines 13 and 14 states, "i only know that summer sang in me a little while, that in me sings no more."

All of these key phrases describe sadness, loneliness and being regretful.
SymbolMetaphor SymbolPersonificationPersonificationSynecdocheSynecdocheI feel that the central viewpoint is that when you have something good you should hold on to it and never let it go, or else you will get old, lonely and live in regret.
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9/20/2014 8:06:220858 (2:15)ButlerA femaleThe readerThe situation that is described in the poem is the female reminiscing about how her nights use to be when she had male company. Now she seems lonely and is kind of missing the times she use to have. It sounds like shes getting older. I think there are four line numbers that indicate the poems major thought decisions.Millay is subverting the sonnet because even though it kind of is about love its not love that shes going through at the time. Shes not only talking about love but about the pain that she feels now after the love and or heart break shes endured.This rhyme scheme reflects that the author went from reminiscing about how good her company was to remembering the pain they brought her and left her with.

Dr. X: Interesting. The pain is mentioned in the ABBA lines, however. So, what changes exactly?
It tells me that the speaker It refers to heartbreak, guilt, remorse and sadness because shes been hurt or maybe abused because she cant seem to remember all of her male partners.

Dr. X: Is there one feeling you think stands out?
ironic"I cannot say what loves have come and gone, I only that summer sang in me A little while, that in me sangs no more."SynecdochePersonificationSymbolMetaphor PersonificationSymbolSymbolThe poems central view point is that Love is a good thing until you loose who you love and have to face the fact that your alone at night with no one to hold you or be next to.
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3/24/2015 8:54:58(5:45)Butler A femaleThe readerShe looks back at her youth and feels an intense sense of lossi am not sure I believe this poem is still about love but not about the goodness and beauty of it, but about the longing and wanting of what once was and no longer can be.

Dr. X: Interesting view. I would like to hear more.
The author is going from one point to the other
At first she is describing what she is feeling and in the next the consequences or results of feeling that way

Dr. X: interesting. I would like to hear more about this idea.
She feels alone
Tormented
conflicted

Dr. X: very intersting. I would like to hear more anbout this idea.
I think it is a combination of reasons and feelings for her pain.
Remorse of maybe how she treated those men, or remorse because she let those men slip by her and didn't hold on to her. It is also a sadness because she didn't know what she had until she lost it.

Dr. X: It's hard to figure out, right?
thoughtful/contemplative, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, somber/grim/graveBut the rain is full of Ghosts Tonight
And in my heart there stirs a quiet pain
SymbolPersonificationSymbolMetaphor PersonificationSymbolSymbolYou never know what you have till it is gone so appreciate the now before memories are all you have to hold on to .
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10/3/2015 19:34:05(5:45)ButlerA femaleThe speaker, The readerThe female (possibly middle-aged) speaker is alone in her bedroom on a rainy night thinking about past lovers she doesn't remember anymore. She describes feeling pain by her current loneliness knowing those lovers won't see her again and reflects on the temporary happiness she felt when with those ex lovers.
Lines 1-3: Speaker recalls having numerous ex-lovers but doesn’t remember the details of her encounters with them.
Lines 4-5: Speaker feels a sense of reminisce of her ex-lovers as she hears rain hit her window at night.
Lines 6-8: She feels pain and loneliness from the men who won’t seek her out again.
Lines 9-11: Compares herself to a tree that doesn’t know what birds come and go but is aware of when they aren’t there.
Lines 12-14: Speaker reiterates the comparison and remembers the short term happiness she felt from ex-lovers but now doesn’t feel anymore.
She’s sort of subverting the traditional function because the poem is more about loneliness and sadness from the lack of romantic love, especially physical intimacy, rather than the optimistic sides of romantic love. But it's still traditional overall because it is about love.
In lines 1-8 the speaker is reflecting on her past and her surroundings (the rain) emphasizing her sadness. How the rhyme scheme interprets that I’m not sure.
In lines 9-14 the speaker is making a comparison based on her loneliness. I noticed that the lines for each rhyme couple (tree/me, one/gone, before/more) are direct reflections of each other between the speaker and the tree.
The speaker has accumulated so many lovers, either because of promiscuity or older age/over time (tree reference), she’s forgotten the details associated with them.
It definitely refers to heartbreak and sadness because she won’t be turned to for comfort again from the men she’s been with. Perhaps remorse as well because she use to comfort them in times they were distressed.
thoughtful/contemplative, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, somber/grim/grave, sincere/honest, lonely/cold“Rain is full of ghosts tonight”, “sigh”, “quiet pain”, “cry”, “winter”, “lonely tree”, “vanished”, “silent than before”, “come and gone”, and “no more”.
SymbolMetaphor SymbolSymbolPersonificationSymbolSymbolHaving numerous intimate partners doesn’t prevent or take away loneliness. Taking the time to really know someone can be more valuable and fulfilling.
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10/1/2017 22:40:02(5:45)ButlerProche HollandA femaleA maleThe woman in the poem is concerned about who she has kissed and why. She realizes that she's had multiple "lads" and does not quite remember them all and knows that the guys will never come back again. She's reminiscing on her sexual choices. She's lonely and broken. 1/2/12/14I think this poem is a love poem but a heartbreaking one so Millay is subverting in some way.The speaker goes from feelings of caring and feeling sorry for herself, to changing her outlook of things to a feeling of hopelessness. That when in a vulnerable state she allows anything to happen to her.I believe it's remorse.sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretfulsilent pain; cry; I cannot say what loves have come and goneSynecdocheSymbolSynecdocheMetaphor PersonificationSymbolSynecdocheLove can break you if you allow it to. It can be brief but have a longing impact on you.
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10/2/2017 9:18:57(5:45)butler Prabhat Timislina UnknownThe readerthe poet is its raining out side. the poet is sleeping in the bed and thinking about the love that she had already forgotten. now she has turned old and no body is with her. Not sure the poem is following the traditional function of the sonnet. in first scheme the poet is reflective and in the second scheme the poet is sorry. all these words are in past tense and these words tells that the poet is reflecting the past in the poem. the words ghosts and vanished describes about the sadness or gloomy felling.sadnesssad/mournfulkissed, forgotten, ghosts, lonely, pain, vanished, silent. PersonificationSynecdocheSymbolMetaphor Metaphor SymbolSymbollove brings the sadness and loneliness.
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10/2/2017 14:59:29(5:45)ButlerRayhanA Black girlThe readerSpeaker's heart is breaking because her lover has been lynched, who is also black. He is hanging from a tree that is in a crossroads, so people can see him as they pass.From the first Stanza we find out that her heart is broken, because her young black lover has been lynched in a crossroad's tree, somewhere in the south.

In the second stanza we get an image of her lover's brutal death.  Speaker is so upset of her lover's death that she is questioning what is the point of praying to a white jesus.

And in the last stanza I think speaker returns to  first two lines of first stanza and expresses them with the metaphors of love is naked shadow, on a gnarled and naked tree.
I think Millay followinf the tradional function of the sonnet by subverting it a little bit...Yes it refers to heartbreak, sadness and anger.sad/mournful
 ' I asked the white lord jesus,
what was the use of prayer'

The reason of this mournful cry is she can't find a reason to pray to jesus because the dark girl, executioner's gnarled tree none can hope to gain jesus mercy again.
SymbolMetaphor SymbolSynecdocheMetaphor PersonificationMetaphor White perspective is strongly evoked in this poem in collocate to the experiences of the black community. I think in this poem Hughes showed the struggles o African Americans in the US.
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10/2/2017 23:55:46(2:15)ButlerShwe Yin SoeEdna St. Vincent MillayThe speaker, The reader, A maleI think the speaker is describing about the weather and how he feels. He scares the raining and thunder and this rain makes him feel quiet pain as he is a little boy. Just like he said " but the rain is full of ghosts tonight, that tap and sigh." In the winter time the tree are with less boughs and birds cannot stay at the tree and which made silent than before. I think the speak love summer. Because of the summer is very short that is why he does not know "what loves have come and gone."Line numbers 12Yes,sosoheartbreak or may be sadnessthoughtful/contemplative, affectionate/loving/caring, sad/mournful, matter-of-fact/bussinesslikerain, ghosts, tap and sigh, quiet pain, for unremembered lads, winter stands the lonely tree, vanished one by one, come and gone, summer sang in me , a little while.Metaphor SynecdocheSynecdocheSynecdocheMetaphor SymbolPersonificationIt talks about a little boy and how the weather makes him feel.
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10/3/2017 8:31:33(5:45)ButlerDorisUnknownThe speaker, The readerA person who had many acquatiances and is at the moment lonely, remembering encounters they previously had 7
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The poem is not so much a love poem. But a poem reflecting on one's past Not sureMemories of the past were so long agoThey feel sadness and some what remorseful thoughtful/contemplative, affectionate/loving/caring, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretfulI have forgotten
Full of ghost tonight, sigh
Quiet pain
Cry
Stands the lonely tree
Silent
Loves have come and gone
Sings no more
SymbolMetaphor SynecdocheSynecdocheMetaphor SymbolSymbolSadness/loneliness. Love comes and goes .
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