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TimestampChoose your classYour HouseYour name1. Who is the speaker of the poem? 2. Who is the audience for the poem? 3. Briefly, what situation is described in the poem?4. Use line numbers to indicate the poem's major thought divisions.5. Form and Rhythm: The poem is a fourteen-line sonnet in iambic pentameter (five beats). Traditionally, sonnets are love poems. Is Millay following this traditional function of the sonnet or subverting it in some way? 6. Rhyme: The poem's rhyme scheme is ABBAABBA for lines 1-8 and CDEDCE for lines 9-14. How does this change in the rhyme scheme reflect a move in the speaker's train of thought?7a. The poem uses a series of similar key words and phrases to refer to the speaker: "forgotten," "ghosts," "unremembered," "vanished," "cannot say." What do these words/phrases tell you about the speaker? 7b. Does the "quiet pain" the speaker feels "for unremembered lads" refer to heartbreak, guilt, remorse, sadness or what? 8a. What is the tone of the poem? 8b. From what key words or phrases did you deduce the poem's tone?10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["What lips my lips have kissed" ]10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["the rain/ Is full of ghosts tonight"]10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["winter"]10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["lonely tree" (1)]10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["lonely tree" (2)]10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["birds"]10. Figures of speech/Symbol/ Allusion: Choose the category that best fits each word or phrase. ["summer"]11. Based on all the above, what is poem's central viewpoint or insight about Love?
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9/19/2014 23:49:29
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butler
gardenerA femaleto the men she has lost in previous relationshipsThe speaker of the poem describes the past lover of her youthful years who she has forgotten. However, since she has grown older with no lover currently, she feels that her youthful days are gone and lonely. From lines 1-3, the speaker talks about the men she has been with but forgotten. Line 4-8, the speaker expresses that the men she has forgotten haunts her with every rain drop brings her great pain for she has never taken it further or responded to them. From lines 9-14 she reflects to the men in the past and with no current lover expresses that she is lonely for the only time she was happy was short and has come and gone.

Dr X: not bad! Notice, though, that the poet "breaks" line 3 with that semi-colon and the word "but." So it's really lines 3-8.
In some ways she is subverting since sonnets usually express loves towards someone, however this poem expresses sadness, regret and lonesomeness in search of love. From lines 1-8 she describes her past and her forgotten lads that she has been with. From lines 9-14 she describes her current situation, in which she feels lonely and sadness from having no lover.These words tell me that the speaker is regretful of her past and lonely. She feels saddened that she has only lost but never gained. I think that "quiet pain" and "for unremembered lads" refer to remorse, since she regrets the days when she had many lovers but never stuck to one, as this phrase also states, "i only know that summer sang in me a little while, that in me sings no more. It also refers to sadness, since she has become lonely. affectionate/loving/caring, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honestLine 6 states, "in my heart there stirs a quiet pain."
Line 9 states, "winter stand the lonely tree."
Lines 13 and 14 states, "i only know that summer sang in me a little while, that in me sings no more."

All of these key phrases describe sadness, loneliness and being regretful.
SymbolMetaphor SymbolPersonificationPersonificationSynecdocheSynecdocheI feel that the central viewpoint is that when you have something good you should hold on to it and never let it go, or else you will get old, lonely and live in regret.
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9/17/2014 23:43:145812 (5:45)Butler HouseApples&BananasEdna St. Vincent Millay

You are conflating and speaker. They may not be the same.
The speaker, The readerThe situation described in the poem is that the author reminiscing about her past but cant remember it in detail.2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 10, 12, 13, 14The poem has the potential to be a love poem, but i feel the author deters from that when she states in the last line "I only know that summer sang in me A little while, that in me sings no more"Something that happened to the speaker changed her attitude toward the ending of the poem.The speaker may be an older woman with a deteriorating disease thats making it hard for her to remember details about her past.

Dr. X: interesting; there is something to thsi idea. Is love love if you can't remember it?
I feel the speaker is referring to them as "unremembered lads" because she is guilty of the things she did in her past.nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honestPhrases like "I only know that summer sang in me A little while, that in me sings no more"SymbolMetaphor SymbolSymbolPersonificationSymbolSymbolLove can have a positive and negative affect.
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9/20/2014 8:06:22
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ButlerFood Lover A femaleThe readerThe situation that is described in the poem is the female reminiscing about how her nights use to be when she had male company. Now she seems lonely and is kind of missing the times she use to have. It sounds like shes getting older. I think there are four line numbers that indicate the poems major thought decisions.Millay is subverting the sonnet because even though it kind of is about love its not love that shes going through at the time. Shes not only talking about love but about the pain that she feels now after the love and or heart break shes endured.This rhyme scheme reflects that the author went from reminiscing about how good her company was to remembering the pain they brought her and left her with.

Dr. X: Interesting. The pain is mentioned in the ABBA lines, however. So, what changes exactly?
It tells me that the speaker It refers to heartbreak, guilt, remorse and sadness because shes been hurt or maybe abused because she cant seem to remember all of her male partners.

Dr. X: Is there one feeling you think stands out?
ironic"I cannot say what loves have come and gone, I only that summer sang in me A little while, that in me sangs no more."SynecdochePersonificationSymbolMetaphor PersonificationSymbolSymbolThe poems central view point is that Love is a good thing until you loose who you love and have to face the fact that your alone at night with no one to hold you or be next to.
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3/22/2015 22:17:05
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ButlerDoubleB+LediEdna St. Vincent MillayThe readerThis is a love poem and the speaker, in this case is also the writer, who uses metaphor " lonely tree" to associates herself with the lonely tree, and birds that have come and gone are her lovers. 1, 8,9,10,14 Millay is not following the tradition of a sonnet because she kind of brags of having so many different lovers who she says, "I have forgotten".In lines 1-8 Millay describes her experiences with love on a personal level, almost telling us her feelings directly. Then, she refers to herself indirectly through the use of a metaphor "lonely tree", and using seasonal imagery. There is no more summer, but only winter when she feels alone. Ghosts are her past lovers who she claims she has forgotten and now she feels alone and depressed. Yes, I think the speaker feels heartbreak and guilty "for unremembered lads"sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretfulwinter stands the lonely tree; unremembered lad; birds have vanished one by one; the rain is full of ghosts;SynecdochePersonificationSymbolMetaphor SymbolPersonificationSymbolMillay uses nature’s beauty to reflect her earlier happiness , in summer, and her current unhappiness, winter. Perhaps, she is using summer to associate with young age, when everyone loves and fill the warmth of summer, and winter is old age,cold and alone.
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3/24/2015 8:54:58
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Butler Gracefully Yours A femaleThe readerShe looks back at her youth and feels an intense sense of lossi am not sure I believe this poem is still about love but not about the goodness and beauty of it, but about the longing and wanting of what once was and no longer can be.

Dr. X: Interesting view. I would like to hear more.
The author is going from one point to the other
At first she is describing what she is feeling and in the next the consequences or results of feeling that way

Dr. X: interesting. I would like to hear more about this idea.
She feels alone
Tormented
conflicted

Dr. X: very intersting. I would like to hear more anbout this idea.
I think it is a combination of reasons and feelings for her pain.
Remorse of maybe how she treated those men, or remorse because she let those men slip by her and didn't hold on to her. It is also a sadness because she didn't know what she had until she lost it.

Dr. X: It's hard to figure out, right?
thoughtful/contemplative, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, somber/grim/graveBut the rain is full of Ghosts Tonight
And in my heart there stirs a quiet pain
SymbolPersonificationSymbolMetaphor PersonificationSymbolSymbolYou never know what you have till it is gone so appreciate the now before memories are all you have to hold on to .
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10/3/2015 19:34:05
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Butler
Satine ChristianA femaleThe speaker, The readerThe female (possibly middle-aged) speaker is alone in her bedroom on a rainy night thinking about past lovers she doesn't remember anymore. She describes feeling pain by her current loneliness knowing those lovers won't see her again and reflects on the temporary happiness she felt when with those ex lovers.
Lines 1-3: Speaker recalls having numerous ex-lovers but doesn’t remember the details of her encounters with them.
Lines 4-5: Speaker feels a sense of reminisce of her ex-lovers as she hears rain hit her window at night.
Lines 6-8: She feels pain and loneliness from the men who won’t seek her out again.
Lines 9-11: Compares herself to a tree that doesn’t know what birds come and go but is aware of when they aren’t there.
Lines 12-14: Speaker reiterates the comparison and remembers the short term happiness she felt from ex-lovers but now doesn’t feel anymore.
She’s sort of subverting the traditional function because the poem is more about loneliness and sadness from the lack of romantic love, especially physical intimacy, rather than the optimistic sides of romantic love. But it's still traditional overall because it is about love.
In lines 1-8 the speaker is reflecting on her past and her surroundings (the rain) emphasizing her sadness. How the rhyme scheme interprets that I’m not sure.
In lines 9-14 the speaker is making a comparison based on her loneliness. I noticed that the lines for each rhyme couple (tree/me, one/gone, before/more) are direct reflections of each other between the speaker and the tree.
The speaker has accumulated so many lovers, either because of promiscuity or older age/over time (tree reference), she’s forgotten the details associated with them.
It definitely refers to heartbreak and sadness because she won’t be turned to for comfort again from the men she’s been with. Perhaps remorse as well because she use to comfort them in times they were distressed.
thoughtful/contemplative, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, somber/grim/grave, sincere/honest, lonely/cold“Rain is full of ghosts tonight”, “sigh”, “quiet pain”, “cry”, “winter”, “lonely tree”, “vanished”, “silent than before”, “come and gone”, and “no more”.
SymbolMetaphor SymbolSymbolPersonificationSymbolSymbolHaving numerous intimate partners doesn’t prevent or take away loneliness. Taking the time to really know someone can be more valuable and fulfilling.
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3/25/2017 12:06:44
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Butler
Luis ApoloEdna St. Vincent MillayThe reader, A maleThe effect of love throughout the speaker's time, she's looking upon her memories of perhaps lust and differentiating it with actual love.
A trip down memory lane of her love encounters.
Line 1
Line 4
Line 12
Millay is following the traditional function of having a (fourteen-line) sonnet.
The speaker's first rhyme scheme portrayed her thought of love in vain from the past and towards the end her thoughts shifted to a more realistic and present view of her life. The speaker refers to perhaps individuals in her life who aren't worth her memory. More or less betrayed feelings which are dead to her and have become "ghosts.""Quiet pain" can be attributed to the speaker's mild heartbreak towards "unremembered lads" in which refer to possible short-term relationships (aka hookups) affectionate/loving/caring, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honest- Unremembered lads
- Lonely Trees
- Quiet Pain
- Birds
- What, Where & Why
- Forgotten
SynecdocheMetaphor SynecdochePersonificationSymbolSymbolMetaphor Love throughout your life is as occurring as birds perching on a tree. It comes and goes, as you're left with glimpses of memories,

The poem's viewpoint expresses the way short-term love drains you from happiness and more or less leaves you in remorse.
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3/26/2017 13:06:22
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The Butler
Eloina LozanoEdna St. Vincent MillayThe readershe lost somebody and she feels empty and depressed line 6 when i was reading the poem is makes me feel more like a sad story than a poem, but definitely some of the words that rhyme keeps the poem in track.what i see is that at the beginning she's suffering and she's in pain, and the second group of lines she tries to keep herself strong that she is sad, she had lost somebody, she is in pain and probably because that person died or is not with her anymore and she can't forget because the pain is still there. heartbreak and sadness sad/mournful"quiet pain" "lonely tree" "more silent than before"SymbolMetaphor SymbolPersonificationMetaphor PersonificationSynecdochefor what i understood the poem viewpoint is that love can bring happiness but it also can be hard when you lose somebody. love is hard and painful, it all depends in the situation.
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3/26/2017 17:38:22
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butler
eliott figueroa jrEdna St. Vincent MillayThe reader, A femalethat a person was kissed but does not know why and wonder who kiss them. the person also forgot what is was like to be held in someone arms. he or she is feeling hurt because they are alone not having someone to hold and love them as they wanted because they are all alone.im not sureim not sure due to the rhyme scheme change causes the tone of the poem to be different. where the speaker at first goes on to say how they forgot what it was like to get that affection from that significant other. from lines 1-8 then from 9-14 go on to say because they are in deep with there sorrow they cant remember is they were ever loved or not and does not think they will ever be loved again.the following words or phrase all sum up to mean that it "does not exist"yes i believe that it can mean both heartbreak and sadness.sad/mournfulforgotton, quit pain, my heart, lonely tree, more silents, me sings no morePersonificationSynecdocheMetaphor Metaphor SymbolMetaphor Metaphor that she feels she will never be love by other man ever again.
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3/27/2017 20:41:13
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campo
karina campoA femaleThe speakerin my opinion is describing a memory, I think she is confusing about her loneliness and she is having some questions about it. when she said what lips my lips have kissed , and where and why. I believe she is referring to herself about her past lovers and she is remembering. I don't know.yeah the poem is a fourteen-line sonnet in iambic pentameter, Millay is following the traditional function of the sonnet or subverting. Edna St. Vincent Millay’s “What lips my lips have kissed.” The poem follows the abbabba cdecde structure and provides several more examples of literary concepts.

Millay incorporates literary concepts, such as the presence of a speaker, tone, vocabulary, sounds of language, figurative language, and structure, to make the sonnet more intricate and significant.


Millay, Edna St. Vincent. “[What lips my lips have kissed, and where, and why].
that she is facing a difficult situation where she doesn't know where to go, or she is just sad about something, also could be that she was in love with someone and this person doesn't remember her the way she remembers him.she could be sad about a memory she has with someone in the past, might be someone who don't want to be her anymore.sad/mournful 1. lips, arms -- indicate the speaker's memory of the past lovers.
2. rain, ghosts, tap, sigh -- indicate the situation of the speaker that is unchangeable.
3. quiet pain, unremembered lads -- refers to her past lovers and wounded heart from them.
PersonificationSymbolSymbolMetaphor Metaphor SymbolMetaphor well that love is always be there with us, in our mind, in our memories, in our hearts.
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3/28/2017 0:11:07
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Butler
Joseph IntriagoA femaleThe speaker, The readerA female appears to be melancholic longing for an intense love she once lost. Through, the figurative language it can be established that she is lonely, but desires to live in the memories that made that love existent. Lines 6-8
"And in my heart there stirs a quiet pain
For unremembered lads that not again
Will turn to me at midnight with a cry."
Millay is not following the traditional Form and Rhythm, as mentioned sonnets are love poems. This poem embraces the loneliness of an individual and to some extend complete hopelessness in love. She's giving a new perception as to what is a true feeling rather than just aiding a sentiment with false hope. This change enhances the sad tone of the poem through it figurative elements, In lines 1-8, the speaker of the poem is vividly living the moments in contrast to lines 9-14 where melancholy takes over the character, allowing the reader to identify the tone of the poem. This identifies that the speaker, had emotionally detached themselves from an individual or memory immediately causing them pain. The words mentioned above highlight the level of significance in this love and hate journey. The quiet pain might be a reference to the hindered difficulties encountered, while guilt to some extend may have an effect, but that's not exactly the case as it appears to be substantial pain that hasn't been overcome. thoughtful/contemplative, affectionate/loving/caring, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honestghosts tonight; lonely tree
"And in my heart there stirs quiet pain"
"I only know that summer sang in me
A little while, that in me sings no more"
Metaphor PersonificationSymbolSymbolSymbolSymbolSymbolLove is surreal in the many forms that it takes place. Even tough we can live fond of the memories, the perception of love that humans perceive can be significantly opaque. The fear of being lonely and enduring pain seems to be the contested point.
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3/28/2017 0:18:13
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Butler
Yongki ChoUnknownThe reader, A femalethe speaker is feeling pain at loosing lovers. As the speaker demonstrates, she cry at midnight with missing the guys that she loved and the tree in winter seems so lonely. Through the deleted memory, the speaker feels empty.the 6th to 8th lines represent how she feel now, and her major thought.Even though the sonnets normally sing the love, the author narates how tragix is her life. In other words, Millay utilized sonnet as unusual way.Although the author didn't split this poem as two stanza, the story and rhyme scheme are dividing naturally.I'm not sure...I think the quiet pain refers to remorse. thoughtful/contemplative, sad/mournful, somber/grim/graveby "quiet pain" in 6th line, I think the poem's tone is dark, gloomy, and regretful.SymbolMetaphor PersonificationMetaphor SymbolSynecdochePersonificationThe love in this poem shows painful moment when she lost her lover.
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