Responses for "Those Winter Sundays"
The version of the browser you are using is no longer supported. Please upgrade to a supported browser.Dismiss

View only
TimestampChoose your classYour HouseYour name1. What clues does the poem's title give you about the theme of the poem? 2. Who is the speaker of the poem? 3. Who is the audience for the poem? 4. Briefly, what situation is described in the poem?5. Use line numbers to indicate the poem's major thought divisions.6. Why is the word order reversed in the first sentence? (It should read “My father got up early on Sundays too”) What word becomes emphasized when the sentence is reversed? Why is it important that this word is emphasized? 7a. Alliteration and Consonance:This poem uses recurring hard "c" or "k" sounds in words such as “clothes,” “blueblack cold,” “cracked,” “ached,” etc. to emphasize our sense of the pervading cold. But who/what is “cold” in this poem? The speaker? the father? their relationship? 7b. What is the symbolism of having the father "break" and drive out the cold by reviving the house's fireplace? 8a. What is the tone of the poem? 8b. From what key words or phrases did you deduce the poem's tone?9. What effect does it have that the speaker chooses the word “father”--as opposed to “dad” or “papa” as in Roethke’s “My Papa’s Waltz”—to describe his relationship?10. Focus on the poem’s last two lines. What is the effect caused by the repetition of the phrase “What did I know”? 11. Besides meaning “building or room where business is carried out,” the word “office” may mean: 1. a service or kindness done for another person; 2. a duty assigned as part of one's work or position; 3. a position of authority or trust; 4. the daily obligatory prayers said by a Catholic priest. Which of these meanings for the word “offices” do you think best suits the father’s behavior towards the boy?12. Based on all the above, what is poem's central viewpoint or insight about Love?
PINK= You got itBLUE= Message from Dr. XRED= Nope
9/21/2014 20:58:135812 (5:45)Shakespeare HouseThe speaker remembers his childhood.The boy, now grown upThe reader, The boy's fatherA man remembers his childhood, and talks about how ungrateful and how indifferent he was those Sundays when his father got up early to make fire to warm up the house.Each thought goes from lines

half of line 5
The word order is reversed to grab the readers attention. The word "Sundays" becomes emphasized when the sentence is reversed because it is the main theme of the poem.Besides the temperature being cold, the speaker of the poem had a cold attitude towards his father.The symbolism "break" is to drive out the son's indifference.nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honest"Speaking indifferently to him"
"Those winter Sundays"
"What did i know"
"Cracked hands that ached from labor in the weekday"
"No one ever thanked him"
to me, the use of the word "father" describes a distant and dysfunctional relationship between father and son.The repetition of the phrase "what did i know" has an effect of regret from the speaker.The definitions number 1 and number 2 suit better the father's behavior towards his son.Paternal love is unconditional.
9/22/2014 1:00:240858 (2:15)ShakespeareThe poems title gives me a clue that the theme is routine. A certain routine that takes place every Sunday but no other day of the week. Robert Hayden

You are conflating author and speaker; they may not be the same necessarily.
The boy's father, The boys father who has probably already passed awayWhen I read this poem what is described to me is the love of a son for his father. His father who is ready hard working, and did not ask for anything in return. A man who is now reflecting on the past of his fathers love for him.I am not sure I forgot how to number line poems :( Will ask for help on this Monday during class. The word that got emphasized in the first sentence is TOO.
The speaker of the poem is not just saying that his father woke up early on Sundays but rather that like every other day of the week Sundays were no exception. This is probably because for many Sundays are considered a rest day but for this boys father it is not true.
The "cold" in this poem is definitely the relationship between father and son. Their relationship was not ideal, and I believe this poem is this boy now grown up realizing things he did not before. I believe he is upset with himself and wished that he was able to thank his father for all the things he had done for him.The symbolism is protection.worshipful/reverent/adoring, thoughtful/contemplative, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honest-What did I know, what did I know
-Then with cracked hands that ached from labor in the weekday weather made banked fires blaze. No one ever thanked him
I believe the effect by choosing the word father is to show that he did not have a good relationship with his father. He may feel that he took his father for granted. His father worked hard and they were not able to have the relationship he may have wished for but his father cared very deeply and he is reflecting back on that now in sadness.The effect caused by the repetition of the phrase "What did I know" is to allow readers to get a feel of his regret, and remorse.1. A service or kindness done for another personLove is blind. You may not realize at the moment the way a person loves you. If you do not it can lead to sadness and regret by the loss of that specific person. Everyone does not love the way you do.
9/22/2014 7:41:075812 (5:45)ShakespeareThe title shows me that it takes place on Sundays during the Winter season. The theme I derive from the poem is that it may be cold (w/ feelings) just like the Winter involving snow. Cold inside as well as outside.A boyThe readerIt seems like the atmosphere in the house is serious and cold. The father is a very hard worker as shown by the description of his hands but he still was able to get up earlier than everybody else in the house (its Sunday so its prob his day off) and start a fire for the family. Also maybe the father and the son dont really get along and the son is not really looking forward to waking up early and maybe going to church since it describes his "good shoes". In the end the son realized that even though his father was tough, he still loved him by his actions more than words.Im not sure but perhaps lines 4-5, 8-9 and maybe 12-14.It reversed in that it says Sundays too my father got up early. I feel its important that this word is emphasized because Sunday is associated with "rest" and even though it shows the father is an extremely hard worker, he still gets up on his day off to do things for his family.I feel that their relationship is cold. It is clearly literally cold outside but it is also cold inside the house with feelings. The words are strong.The symbolism is that he is a powerful figure in that household and a provider (also a hard worker).thoughtful/contemplative, affectionate/loving/caring, defiant/resistant, sincere/honestA key phrase that stood out to me was "fearing the chronic angers of that house" and also "speaking indifferently to him". There is a cold vibe or tone in that house and its not sweet and cheery. The boy and maybe the mom may be walking on "egg shells" during the days.Father shows a more serious tone because there are no sweet nicknames, its very military in wording. The author (son) seems to have realized in adulthood what his father was doing for him and the love he expressed by actions, not words. Im not sure but it may be that he feels bad that he didnt realize it sooner and he had a child mentality at the time and he can appreciate his father more now in adulthood.I feel that it means 1. a service or kindness done for another person. The father is clearly working hard to provide for his family and he may not be the friendliest but he got a fire started so they can all be warm and he even polished his sons shoes for him to get ready (possibly church).To me it lets us know that love comes in many forms and love does not have to be expressed the way "you" want it to be. Sometimes people dont tell you things and they express it which is powerful in itself.
3/22/2015 22:48:01(5:45)ShakespearePoem's title gives me a hint about some events that happened every Sunday during the speaker's childhood.The boy, now grown upThe readerThe regret of a man who looks back at his childhood, he remembers the Sunday mornings that his father would wake up early to create warmth in the house while everyone else slept. He explains how his father did this even after a long week of work, it seems as its something that he did everyday but Sundays in particular show his fathers hard effort to make his family comfortable. The man explains how back then this didn't seem like anything to him, how he never thanked his father because he did not realize that his fathers actions were a sign of love. .1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 12, 14"too" is the word that becomes emphasized when the sentence is reversed.
Because of helping the reader to understand the meaning that his father gets up early every day.
the difficulties of father's lifeTo help father's family and to keep them warm. That's how, the warmth of his love spread all over the house.

Dr. X: good thinking. We want to know why he "breaks" the cold--how does this verb characterize the father?
worshipful/reverent/adoring, affectionate/loving/caring, nostalgic/regretful, ironicblueblack cold
cracked hands
banked fire blazes
cold splintering, breaking
chronic angers
lonely ofiices
love's austere
driven out

She/He chooses the word "father" because people say their God Jesus "father", who sacrifices a lot , in their religion. In speaker's childhood, her/his father sacrificed a lot and suffered pain. The speaker regrets about her/his father's love that she/he didn't understand during her/his childhood.2 & 4To bring the attention in relationship between every child and their parents.
3/24/2015 1:04:43(5:45)shakespeareTaking place in the winter, and probably sunday meaning going out with the family A boyThe speakerhow the boys father works a lot and how much he cares about his family always working even on Sundays, which is a day to rest.lines 1-5, 6-9, 10-14according to this sentence it means that his father too on sundays gets up early for work instead of resting, 'too's the word that becomes emphasized because it implies of the readers father working on sundays aswell the father doing his best at work and not getting thanked for itthe father wanting to keep the family warm passionate/ardent, worshipful/reverent/adoring, affectionate/loving/caring, nostalgic/regretful"sundays too my father got up early" "what did i know, what did i know"not surethat all the hard work the father did to keep his family well was not really known and was taken for granted i think 2 that the speakers father does what he does for love towards his family and not for recognition, but also how much he has to do to keep his family well and and roof over their head
10/2/2015 17:10:19(5:45)ShakespeareThe clue from the title indicates a cold and very sad atmosphere. It gives the feeling of hardships and struggles. Sunday is a day of rest and the speaker of the poem used "Those" to imply that something happened during those Sundays. Maybe his father never rested on Sunday and everyday of the week he works just as hard.Robert HaydenThe reader, The speaker, The boy's fatherThe situation in the poem is him describing his dad. It doesn't describe what his father does but in stanza 4-5 it states that he made banked fires blaze. And on every Sunday he would wake up in his room, already warm from the fire and gets dressed. I believe the thought division in this poem would be between lines 10 - 14 which would be stanza 3. In stanza 3, there is a change in tone. "speaking indifferently to him, who had driven out the cold" I don't think he meant the temperature but the atmosphere or vibe around him that was driven out. In stanzas 1 and 2 the speaker was telling us how his father was never thanked for his work and that he feared the chronic angers of the house, in stanza 3 it begins to be different where in the end he is confused and asks a question. To himself and to the readers. It is important to emphasize the word "too" so that it shows that the father has done this on other days as well since Sunday is seen as a day for rest but not for this father who continues to due his daily routine for his son.The "cold" that is mentioned in the poem is what the speaker is feeling for his father. I think that the speaker probably feels sorry for his dad, he doesn't get enough credit and that he works too hard and for what? He asks a question in the last stanza, line 14, "what did I know of love's austere and lonely offices?" Being that he was just a kid, at the time he would have no idea what his father is dealing with and no idea how to help him. He just sees his effort on working hard and being the father that he is. I think that this wasn't just one Sunday, it happened to be every Sunday by the way tone of the poem.IT shows the father as a protector or guardian angel for the boy in how he provides safety and warmth. nostalgic/regretful, somber/grim/grave, sincere/honestI think that he admires his father and sees what he's going through. He might not understand it but he sees that his father is working and he mentions his cracked hands from labor during the weekday. I think that makes him feel bad because he couldn't help him in any way yet, making him feel regretful. The question at the end that he asks shows a bit of innocence, he doesn't know whats going on but takes it in. The speaker remembers his dad for his hard work and that is a nostalgic feeling. The speaker uses father as a form of respect. He sees that his dad is a hard working man and he looks up to him in some way. He sees that he's up every single morning to provide. He never mentioned a mother figure so it could just be the speaker and the father living together trying to make a living. For that I think the speaker respects his dad to his utmost extent. In line 13-14 "what did i know, what did i know of love's austere and lonely offices?" He repeated what did I know twice, the first time for him to understand what he knew in general and the second time to ask a question and prove a point. It tells us that hes confused and doesn't know how his father as much as he would like to. To answer the question I think that choice number two and three would best be suitable. It never said what his job was but during the week his hands cracked and ached meaning it was probably hard labor. Coming home to see his dad like that he gives him the respect that he deserves. Being it a long day at work, when his father comes home he wants to make it as comfortable for him as he could be. Love can be confusing. Even when you don't say I love you, you're actions can say it better. "Actions speak louder than words" that saying speaks throughout the whole poem where the father is working hard to take care of the speaker and provide what needs to be provided. He breaks his body so that the speaker of the poem doesn't have too.

Dr. X: I like the idea that love is shown in everyday actions, not necessarily affection
9/30/2017 12:21:21(2:15)DickinsonRuixue FanIt gives out that this poem is writing about something that happens in Sunday especially the cold winter Sunday. Winter is not only refers to the season but also means cold that from people's minds.The boy, now grown upThe reader, The speakerFor other people, Sunday would be a rest day but for the people who work like the father, Sunday is just a normal work day. They still have to wake up in very early morning and do their hard works without people's appreciate. They are not only serve others but also very concern about their families. Their families know their hardship but have no way to help them. They are self-giving. The relationship between he and his father would be cold. They may even not have any conversations. 5, 13, 14The word "too" is reversed in the first sentence. The word order reversed is because the writer wants to mention that it is Sunday and his father get up early. He wants to add more emotion into that sentence to make readers feeling more about his feeling.The first thing is the weather is pretty cold.
Then, the environment that his father works in is cold.
The most important thing is the relationship that between him and his father is maybe colder then last two things.
Even though the weather is cold and their relationship is not good as well but his father always want to let him feel the warm things. Thing are warm means the temperature inside the house is warmed up by the fire places that are revived by his father and the feeling of his heart. He may not figure it out when his father was with him but realized it after his father was gone or when he became someone's father.worshipful/reverent/adoring, thoughtful/contemplative, affectionate/loving/caring, nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honest, matter-of-fact/bussinesslikeblueblack cold
banked fires blaze
rise and dress
as well
austere and lonely offices
In my opinion, "dad" or "papa" are the appellations that show the good relationships between children and their parents. For instance, when we play with our parents, we may call them by using informal appellations like "mom" and "dad" but when we have serious communications with our parents, we will call them "father" and "mother". "Father" is more formal and worshipful.The first "What did I know" means what did I know about my father.
The second "What did I know" means the writer did not know how to understand more about his father's love and he wants to know more about his father's job.
1, 3, 4Love is austere.
Love is what people can do for each others without asking retribution.
Love is how father treats his children.
Love is children realize that all the things that their parents have done for them are because of love.
10/1/2017 18:25:22(2:15)DickinsonDoloresClues: got up early
on one ever thanked him
dress and polished shoes
love's austere

Robert HaydenThe readerIt is Sunday, the father had to continue working to keep the house warm. The speaker who is the son had to wake up and let his warm room to help his father, he feels annoying. Robert Hayden describes the chronic anger of the house, maybe there is something chronic: his father's illness. Every Sunday they have to get up early because in their house celebrates a religious meeting.
The cares and love from his father and his indifference against him.
It has 14 lines divided into three stanzas Because it isn't only the father who got up early is everybody it is Sunday! the cold in this poem is the coldness that existed in the relationship between father and son, and cold in the house because is winter. The symbolism of break it could be that there is not break (pause) for the father, he has to cut the wood to keep the fireplace on. Or the father has the heart as that cold outside home. affectionate/loving/caring, sad/mournful, sincere/honestIt is a sad poem
speaking indifferently to him
Love's austere
In Those Winter Sundays, the speaker refers with the word my father because he feels respect to him.
And in "My papa's Waltz" the speaker refers his father with disillusion because he is a drunker

The repetition of the phrase "What did I know"? seems He is feeling guilt or regret, because he knew who was his lovely father, he was who got up early, cut the wood to heat the house, polished his shoes.I think the word "office" suits with:
2. a duty assigned as part of one's work or position
If it is for religion duties "office" is a place of divine love to God
3. a position of authority or trust.
The home could be the "office" where the spouses can love and raise their children, here the authority is the father
The central point of view of the poem is how the son remembers his father when he was a child. His father loved him, heated the house, polished his shoes.His father only gave him love and care. And the speaker did all with indifference, seems he is regretful.
10/2/2017 13:48:59(5:45)DickinsonZhuojun Chenthe boy’s distant relationship with his father and his coldness toward him.The boy, now grown upThe boy's fatherThe speaker' father did everything for him, like lit all the fires in his house, and polished his kid's shoes, but he didn't understand that is love behavior. so"Sunday" becomes emphasized. In the poem, Sunday is significant for its religious implications. so "Sunday" is important.the "cold" mean the speaker and his father coldness relationship.The father goes out to work in the harsh "weekday weather" to create a safe, warm environment for his child and to put a roof over his head.sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, angry/bitter/offendedthe phrase " what did I know, what did I know" show he was sadness and regret. and" fearing the chronic angers of that house"Father is more formal, and it show that coldness relationshipThe last two lines show the child was unable to know the difficulty and sacrifice of parental love. I think the word "office" may mean: 1. a service or kindness done for another person; and 4. the daily obligatory prayers said by a Catholic priest.most of time, love doesn't need to speak out, or do something to show somebody that you love him/her
10/3/2017 3:06:55(5:45)SHAKESPEAREFATIMA VEGAThe poem`s title describes memories/experiences that ocurred in a specifc time of the year in this case the winter.The boy, now grown upThe reader, The boy's fatherA boy, now grown up talks about his father who worked hard in winter time.
The father work`s was never appreciated by his son and there was not a good relationship.
The poem is composed by three stanzasSundays is the word that needs to be emphasized because when is reversed telsl to the audience that the father also works on Sunday meaning that there is no rest day for him. If the word would be placed at the end of the line, it would only emphasized that the father works only that day.these words are referring to the relationship between the father and son and the lack of communication they had.The father`s behavior toward the boyaffectionate/loving/caring, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretfulblueblack cold
I think that by using this word, he showed respect to his father. There was not a open relationship to call him dad or papa.The last two lines shows regretful because the son did not have a good relationship with his father a position of authority or trustThe father worked hard for his boy and did everything for him. However, he did not show love towards the boy. His love was austere and they did not have a good relationship because he was a heartless person.
Form Responses 1