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Your name1. What clues does the poem's title give you about the theme of the poem? 2. Who is the speaker of the poem? 3. Who is the audience for the poem? 4. Briefly, what situation is described in the poem?5. Use line numbers to indicate the poem's major thought divisions.6. Why is the word order reversed in the first sentence? (It should read “My father got up early on Sundays too”) What word becomes emphasized when the sentence is reversed? Why is it important that this word is emphasized? 7a. Alliteration and Consonance:This poem uses recurring hard "c" or "k" sounds in words such as “clothes,” “blueblack cold,” “cracked,” “ached,” etc. to emphasize our sense of the pervading cold. But who/what is “cold” in this poem? The speaker? the father? their relationship? 7b. What is the symbolism of having the father "break" and drive out the cold by reviving the house's fireplace? 8a. What is the tone of the poem? 8b. From what key words or phrases did you deduce the poem's tone?9. What effect does it have that the speaker chooses the word “father”--as opposed to “dad” or “papa” as in Roethke’s “My Papa’s Waltz”—to describe his relationship?10. Focus on the poem’s last two lines. What is the effect caused by the repetition of the phrase “What did I know”? 11. Besides meaning “building or room where business is carried out,” the word “office” may mean: 1. a service or kindness done for another person; 2. a duty assigned as part of one's work or position; 3. a position of authority or trust; 4. the daily obligatory prayers said by a Catholic priest. Which of these meanings for the word “offices” do you think best suits the father’s behavior towards the boy?12. Based on all the above, what is poem's central viewpoint or insight about Love?
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9/21/2014 20:58:135812 (5:45)
Shakespeare House
Double InfinityThe speaker remembers his childhood.The boy, now grown upThe reader, The boy's fatherA man remembers his childhood, and talks about how ungrateful and how indifferent he was those Sundays when his father got up early to make fire to warm up the house.Each thought goes from lines

1-5
half of line 5
6
7-12
13-14
The word order is reversed to grab the readers attention. The word "Sundays" becomes emphasized when the sentence is reversed because it is the main theme of the poem.Besides the temperature being cold, the speaker of the poem had a cold attitude towards his father.The symbolism "break" is to drive out the son's indifference.nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honest"Speaking indifferently to him"
"Those winter Sundays"
"What did i know"
"Cracked hands that ached from labor in the weekday"
"No one ever thanked him"
to me, the use of the word "father" describes a distant and dysfunctional relationship between father and son.The repetition of the phrase "what did i know" has an effect of regret from the speaker.The definitions number 1 and number 2 suit better the father's behavior towards his son.Paternal love is unconditional.
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9/22/2014 1:00:240858 (2:15)
Shakespeare
Love&KnowledgeThe poems title gives me a clue that the theme is routine. A certain routine that takes place every Sunday but no other day of the week. Robert Hayden

You are conflating author and speaker; they may not be the same necessarily.
The boy's father, The boys father who has probably already passed awayWhen I read this poem what is described to me is the love of a son for his father. His father who is ready hard working, and did not ask for anything in return. A man who is now reflecting on the past of his fathers love for him.I am not sure I forgot how to number line poems :( Will ask for help on this Monday during class. The word that got emphasized in the first sentence is TOO.
The speaker of the poem is not just saying that his father woke up early on Sundays but rather that like every other day of the week Sundays were no exception. This is probably because for many Sundays are considered a rest day but for this boys father it is not true.
The "cold" in this poem is definitely the relationship between father and son. Their relationship was not ideal, and I believe this poem is this boy now grown up realizing things he did not before. I believe he is upset with himself and wished that he was able to thank his father for all the things he had done for him.The symbolism is protection.worshipful/reverent/adoring, thoughtful/contemplative, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honest-What did I know, what did I know
-Then with cracked hands that ached from labor in the weekday weather made banked fires blaze. No one ever thanked him
I believe the effect by choosing the word father is to show that he did not have a good relationship with his father. He may feel that he took his father for granted. His father worked hard and they were not able to have the relationship he may have wished for but his father cared very deeply and he is reflecting back on that now in sadness.The effect caused by the repetition of the phrase "What did I know" is to allow readers to get a feel of his regret, and remorse.1. A service or kindness done for another personLove is blind. You may not realize at the moment the way a person loves you. If you do not it can lead to sadness and regret by the loss of that specific person. Everyone does not love the way you do.
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9/22/2014 7:41:075812 (5:45)
Shakespeare
TheRockawaysThe title shows me that it takes place on Sundays during the Winter season. The theme I derive from the poem is that it may be cold (w/ feelings) just like the Winter involving snow. Cold inside as well as outside.A boyThe readerIt seems like the atmosphere in the house is serious and cold. The father is a very hard worker as shown by the description of his hands but he still was able to get up earlier than everybody else in the house (its Sunday so its prob his day off) and start a fire for the family. Also maybe the father and the son dont really get along and the son is not really looking forward to waking up early and maybe going to church since it describes his "good shoes". In the end the son realized that even though his father was tough, he still loved him by his actions more than words.Im not sure but perhaps lines 4-5, 8-9 and maybe 12-14.It reversed in that it says Sundays too my father got up early. I feel its important that this word is emphasized because Sunday is associated with "rest" and even though it shows the father is an extremely hard worker, he still gets up on his day off to do things for his family.I feel that their relationship is cold. It is clearly literally cold outside but it is also cold inside the house with feelings. The words are strong.The symbolism is that he is a powerful figure in that household and a provider (also a hard worker).thoughtful/contemplative, affectionate/loving/caring, defiant/resistant, sincere/honestA key phrase that stood out to me was "fearing the chronic angers of that house" and also "speaking indifferently to him". There is a cold vibe or tone in that house and its not sweet and cheery. The boy and maybe the mom may be walking on "egg shells" during the days.Father shows a more serious tone because there are no sweet nicknames, its very military in wording. The author (son) seems to have realized in adulthood what his father was doing for him and the love he expressed by actions, not words. Im not sure but it may be that he feels bad that he didnt realize it sooner and he had a child mentality at the time and he can appreciate his father more now in adulthood.I feel that it means 1. a service or kindness done for another person. The father is clearly working hard to provide for his family and he may not be the friendliest but he got a fire started so they can all be warm and he even polished his sons shoes for him to get ready (possibly church).To me it lets us know that love comes in many forms and love does not have to be expressed the way "you" want it to be. Sometimes people dont tell you things and they express it which is powerful in itself.
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3/22/2015 22:48:01
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Shakespeare
mylovemomPoem's title gives me a hint about some events that happened every Sunday during the speaker's childhood.The boy, now grown upThe readerIn the poem, the speakers talks about the relation with her/his father in her/her childhood. Her/Her father sacrificed his pain and also tried to keep family warm in cold. Unfortunately, family members were unknown about his pain and effort. They never appreciated him. Her/Her father always polished her/his shoes very well before going to church. After growing up, she/he starts to understand and to regret that she/he didn't understand what was going on her/his father's life to take care his family during her/his childhood.1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 12, 14"too" is the word that becomes emphasized when the sentence is reversed.
Because of helping the reader to understand the meaning that his father gets up early every day.
the difficulties of father's lifeTo help father's family and to keep them warm. That's how, the warmth of his love spread all over the house.

Dr. X: good thinking. We want to know why he "breaks" the cold--how does this verb characterize the father?
worshipful/reverent/adoring, affectionate/loving/caring, nostalgic/regretful, ironicblueblack cold
cracked hands
banked fire blazes
cold splintering, breaking
chronic angers
lonely ofiices
love's austere
driven out

She/He chooses the word "father" because people say their God Jesus "father", who sacrifices a lot , in their religion. In speaker's childhood, her/his father sacrificed a lot and suffered pain. The speaker regrets about her/his father's love that she/he didn't understand during her/his childhood.2 & 4To bring the attention in relationship between every child and their parents.
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3/23/2015 14:47:28
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Shakespeare
love cookingthe title tells us that the time of the poem is set during winter season and during the Sundays.The boy, now grown upThe readerthe poem describes a poor family's situation during the winter. Father is working hard and making sure to keep the house warm. The boy is now all grown up and he realizes all the hard work that his father has done. i am not sure. the word order is reversed in the first sentence to catch readers attention. the word "Sundays too" becomes emphasized because nobody wakes up early in the morning, even god took an off day on Sunday. Father and the son both are cold but also their relationship. Their relationship is cold because back then the son didn't know all the trouble his father went through. The father "break" and drive out the cold by reviving the house's fireplace symbolizes getting rid of their problem and keeping family happy as it is father's job to do so. worshipful/reverent/adoring, thoughtful/contemplative, affectionate/loving/caring, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honestThe phrases "speaking indifferently to him" let me know that the son regrets not appreciating his father's love.The speaker uses the word "father" to show the distance between their relationship. If the speaker was close to his father he would use word like dad or papa.The phrase "what did i know" is recited twice because the speaker is truly regretting not realizing how much his father loved him. I think all of the meaning for the word "offices" suits the father's behavior towards the boy. Because the father is being kind, doing his job as a father, and it has to be done daily even during the weekend.

Dr. X: I agree, but you have to explain the Catholic meaning
The poem's central viewpoint or insight about love is appreciate the love you have right now because one day you might not have it anymore and regret it in future.
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3/24/2015 1:04:43
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shakespeare
Painteverything Taking place in the winter, and probably sunday meaning going out with the family A boyThe speakerhow the boys father works a lot and how much he cares about his family always working even on Sundays, which is a day to rest.lines 1-5, 6-9, 10-14according to this sentence it means that his father too on sundays gets up early for work instead of resting, 'too's the word that becomes emphasized because it implies of the readers father working on sundays aswell the father doing his best at work and not getting thanked for itthe father wanting to keep the family warm passionate/ardent, worshipful/reverent/adoring, affectionate/loving/caring, nostalgic/regretful"sundays too my father got up early" "what did i know, what did i know"not surethat all the hard work the father did to keep his family well was not really known and was taken for granted i think 2 that the speakers father does what he does for love towards his family and not for recognition, but also how much he has to do to keep his family well and and roof over their head
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3/24/2015 1:51:33
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Shakespeare
One PieceSundays too, blueblack cold, when the rooms were warm, he'd call,speaking indifferently to him, of love's austere and lonely offices.The boy, now grown upThe reader, The boy's fatherThe boy's family is poor, and the weather is freezing. There are three divisions on the poem: 1-5, 6-9, 10-14.The word order reversed in the first sentence is because the author wants to point out the topic.
Sundays becomes emphasized when the sentence is reversed.
People generally rest on Sunday, but Sunday and the usual day are no difference for his father.
The weather is very cold, but the relationship between the boy and his father is also cold.Father's love for the child.affectionate/loving/caring, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, somber/grim/grave, angry/bitter/offendedOf love's austere and lonely offices?The word "father" is more formal than dad or papa. When we say dad or papa, it sounds closer. The word "father" shows that the boy respects for him father, but also afraid of him.

DR.X: NICE
By the repetition of the phrase " What did i know?", i can imagine that the author is very regretful what he did for his father.1. a service or kindness done for another person.
2. a duty assigned as part of one's work or position.
Poem's central viewpoint is about the father's love for his child. The father's love is reflected in the many small things. After many years, when the boy grew up, he regrettet that what he did to his father.
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10/2/2015 17:10:19
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Shakespeare
CavemanThe clue from the title indicates a cold and very sad atmosphere. It gives the feeling of hardships and struggles. Sunday is a day of rest and the speaker of the poem used "Those" to imply that something happened during those Sundays. Maybe his father never rested on Sunday and everyday of the week he works just as hard.Robert Hayden
The reader, The speaker, The boy's father
The situation in the poem is him describing his dad. It doesn't describe what his father does but in stanza 4-5 it states that he made banked fires blaze. And on every Sunday he would wake up in his room, already warm from the fire and gets dressed.
I believe the thought division in this poem would be between lines 10 - 14 which would be stanza 3. In stanza 3, there is a change in tone. "speaking indifferently to him, who had driven out the cold" I don't think he meant the temperature but the atmosphere or vibe around him that was driven out. In stanzas 1 and 2 the speaker was telling us how his father was never thanked for his work and that he feared the chronic angers of the house, in stanza 3 it begins to be different where in the end he is confused and asks a question. To himself and to the readers.
I'm not really too sure about this but what I think is that in the title he mentions "Those Winter Sundays" and I believe that he wanted to emphasize Sunday because that was probably the only day where they were both off and can spend time together. During the week he would get up early for work but on Sunday he would still have to get up early to take care of the house and make sure that it's warm enough. The "cold" that is mentioned in the poem is what the speaker is feeling for his father. I think that the speaker probably feels sorry for his dad, he doesn't get enough credit and that he works too hard and for what? He asks a question in the last stanza, line 14, "what did I know of love's austere and lonely offices?" Being that he was just a kid, at the time he would have no idea what his father is dealing with and no idea how to help him. He just sees his effort on working hard and being the father that he is. I think that this wasn't just one Sunday, it happened to be every Sunday by the way tone of the poem.The symbolism in the poem is referring to the father breaking and driving out the cold just like a fireplace. The wood of a fireplace crackles and breaks when the fire is aroused. The purpose of a fireplace is to warm the room up so it wouldn't be cold. He hears the cold splintering and breaking just like how a fireplace would when it is lit and warming the room.nostalgic/regretful, somber/grim/grave, sincere/honestI think that he admires his father and sees what he's going through. He might not understand it but he sees that his father is working and he mentions his cracked hands from labor during the weekday. I think that makes him feel bad because he couldn't help him in any way yet, making him feel regretful. The question at the end that he asks shows a bit of innocence, he doesn't know whats going on but takes it in. The speaker remembers his dad for his hard work and that is a nostalgic feeling. The speaker uses father as a form of respect. He sees that his dad is a hard working man and he looks up to him in some way. He sees that he's up every single morning to provide. He never mentioned a mother figure so it could just be the speaker and the father living together trying to make a living. For that I think the speaker respects his dad to his utmost extent. In line 13-14 "what did i know, what did i know of love's austere and lonely offices?" He repeated what did I know twice, the first time for him to understand what he knew in general and the second time to ask a question and prove a point. It tells us that hes confused and doesn't know how his father as much as he would like to. To answer the question I think that choice number two and three would best be suitable. It never said what his job was but during the week his hands cracked and ached meaning it was probably hard labor. Coming home to see his dad like that he gives him the respect that he deserves. Being it a long day at work, when his father comes home he wants to make it as comfortable for him as he could be. Love can be confusing. Even when you don't say I love you, you're actions can say it better. "Actions speak louder than words" that saying speaks throughout the whole poem where the father is working hard to take care of the speaker and provide what needs to be provided. He breaks his body so that the speaker of the poem doesn't have too.

Dr. X: I like the idea that love is shown in everyday actions, not necessarily affection
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10/5/2015 22:27:37
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Shakespeare
SerpentGives us setting which is winter and time which is Sunday and it says those winter Sundays which could mean relaxation since Sunday is usually associated as the resting day for christians
The boy, now grown up
The readerThe speaker talks about a normal Sunday morning and the daily routine his Father would do for him and how he did not comprehend it back then.1-5
6-9
10-14
It is important to emphasize the word "too" so that it shows that the father has done this on other days as well since Sunday is seen as a day for rest but not for this father who continues to due his daily routine for his son.Their relationship is cold presented by line 10, " i spoke indifferently to him".IT shows the father as a protector or guardian angel for the boy in how he provides safety and warmth. thoughtful/contemplative, sad/mournful"no one ever thanked him"
"speaking indifferently to him"
"what did i know"
"love" "lonely"
By saying father it sounds less of an intimate relationship of father and son and more generic and authority based in which dad and papa convey a more intimate type of relationship.Conveys the sense of regret and reflection about his past and why his father did the things he did.I believe that 2.a best suits the dads behavior since 1.a sounds as if the son has to do something first while 2.a doesn't.sometimes there is love that you may not notice at first till its to late to show appreciation or love as well.
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10/5/2015 22:55:53
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OodlesThe title suggests that the speaker is recollecting his Sunday winters when he was younger. The title sounds cold and unhappiness.UnknownThe readerThe speaker feels shame because he didn't realize his father was sacrificing himself and nobody ever thanked him for doing so. And now he regrets it.
Thought Divisions
Line 1-2
Line3-5
Line 5
Line 6
Line 7-8
Line 9
Line 10-12
Line 13-14
The speaker wants to make it clear that his father got up early every day including Sunday's that's why the word too is emphasized.The father was always working even on Sunday's and the speaker shows regret which may suggest that they had a distant and cold relationship.It is the fathers way of showing his affection and that he really cares about the speaker.nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honest"What did I know, what did I know
of love's austere and lonely offices?" This last lines shows how sincere and regretful he was. The speaker never understood his father as a child. But as he grew older he realized how ungrateful he was.

The word father indicates respect and perhaps a distant relationship.The final lines focus on the internal conflict of the speaker. The repetition of this phrase show regret and bitterness. The last lines can mean all of the above love can be seen as a form of worship, responsibility, as an official job. The speaker made it clear that he now understands that love is waking up early every day of the week and providing for your family.According to the speaker love doesn't always mean showing affection. His father clearly didn't. But he sure provided for his family with no thanks from anyone.
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10/6/2015 8:30:14
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Shakespeare
rancid onion"Those Sunday Mornings" points to the nostalgia of the speaker as he thinks back to the past, it hints to sadness and realization. Robert HaydenThe speakerThe regret of a man who looks back at his childhood, he remembers the Sunday mornings that his father would wake up early to create warmth in the house while everyone else slept. He explains how his father did this even after a long week of work, it seems as its something that he did everyday but Sundays in particular show his fathers hard effort to make his family comfortable. The man explains how back then this didn't seem like anything to him, how he never thanked his father because he did not realize that his fathers actions were a sign of love.
Major thought divisions occur when the man starts explaining the Sundays mornings (line 2-3) he uses the word "blueblack cold" and this creates thoughts of dark colds mornings, not a positive memory. Then he explains his routine (line 7-9) He'd wake up oblivious to his fathers actions and efforts to keep them warm and instead would wake up feeling "fear of the chronic angers of the house" But this tone changes in the last stanza (line 10-14) when he reflects on his memory and admits that he did not recognize the love of his father the way he does now, and never thanked him for it.
The word Sunday becomes emphasized when the sentence is reversed, this is important because the author reveals that his father got early everyday of the week including Sundays. Not only Sundays, but including every day, specially Sundays. The father is cold, the words "blueback cold' 'cracked' 'ached' are used in the first stanza when the speaker explains how his father would wake up during this cold to clean the shoes and put the fire in the house to drive out the cold. of sacrifice and forgetting of his own comfort to create everyone in the house warm.nostalgic/regretful"No one ever thanked him"
"Fearing the chronic angers of the house"
"Speaking Indifferently to him"
The use of the word father points to his relationship to be a little distant, there is not the comfort or closeness to call him "dad" or "papa" but instead a sign of respect. The effect of the repetition of "what did I know" crates a sense of regret in the speakers lack of knowledge when he was a kid towards his fathers love and warmth A duty assigned as part of one's work or position is a good meaning for the word "Office" because it explains the position of the father and his assigned part to love and to care of his kids. Love isn't always clear, sometimes the actions of our loved ones to keep us safe and comfortable are their way of showing their affection towards us.
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3/26/2017 20:23:31(2:15)I dint knowJessely RodriguezThose winterA boyThe reader, The speakerthat his father would get up early after along weeks of work in the cold to make fire to keep the house warm im not suretoo, because his dad gets up early everyday even on Sundays.the cold- is there relationship.speaking indiffrentlynostalgic/regretful, defiant/resistantfearing the chronic angers of that housefather is more of respectful way more of a serious tonethe father is doing is doing something kind for his family by keeping them warm.1the father did a an act of love but yet the son still had somewhat a fear of his father.
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3/27/2017 21:41:25(5:45)DickinsonAngela DeridovichThe poem's title gives me a clue that the poem's setting will be a cold winter day. The boy, now grown upThe reader, The boy's fatherA boy is speaking about his father who took care of him and made sure he was warm when he woke up and his shoes were polished. His son never thanked him and now he's looking back and wishes that he appreciated his father more.I am not sure because it seems like none of the lines rhyme together.The speaker is emphasizing the word "Sundays". Sundays followed by "too" indicates that he wakes up that early every day and does not have a day to rest.I think "cold" is the disconnected relationship between them.I think the symbolism of driving out the cold is the father trying to better their relationship and trying to get the "cold" between them out of the house.affectionate/loving/caring, sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful, sincere/honestthe key words to set the poem's tone are "blueblack cold", "cracked hands that ached", "cold splintering, breaking". It kind of made me feel the cold as I was reading the poem and put me in the setting of a cold dark wooden house."father" sounds strict and does not have much of a love or closeness sound to it.The repetition of the phrase emphasizes that the speaker is regretful and keeps asking himself "What did I know?" to justify his actions from when he was younger and not wise.I think the "office" means service or kindness done for another because the poem is describing what the father does for his son and he is not thanked for it.I think the central viewpoint of love in this poem is that we do things for people we love even when it is not appreciated or noticed. It also shows that just because the son did not thank him doesn't mean that he didn't want to and that he didn't see what his father did for him.
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3/27/2017 21:49:06(5:45)Dickinson Austin QuadrosThe title gives off a tone of tranquility since it's mentioning winter. The title could also be hinting that the poem could take place in a stormy setting .The boy, now grown upThe readerA hard working father traversing through life to support the child . It explain that even on weekends , the father would wake up and make the rooms warm even though he was tired from working on the weekdays.I'm not sureThe word "Sunday" is emphasized . It depicts the fathers hardship and dedication that he is even waking up on weekends to give comfort .The cold in the poem could be a disease.This could mean that father wanted to keep the flame alive . Flame also represents life , which could mean their relationship or his affection to the speaker.thoughtful/contemplative, affectionate/loving/caring, sad/mournful, sincere/honestWhen the rooms where warm .The speakers use of the word "father" gives off a sense of respect and sincerity. Self questioning.2 .Because it occurred every Sunday , that leads me to believe that the father had an obligation to step out every Sunday. The poem's central viewpoint on love is that the father works extremely hard to show the speaker affection through hardship . The emphasis on the word "Sunday" let's the reader experience the amount of love the father is expressing .
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3/28/2017 6:41:43(2:15)putnamLayla AlghazaliThose Winter Sundays” feels a bit old and worn to me. It’s like the speaker is looking back on those dark, chilly Sundays, many moons ago, when he was just a sad wee lad.Robert HaydenThe readerevery Sunday morning to light fires in the fireplaces to warm up their home.The speaker then tells us that he’d get out of bed once the house was warm and when his father called for him. He was a little bit afraid of his father, and the house was filled with “chronic angers,” rather than, say, sunshine and rainbows and lollipops.line 1 and 2the word in Sundays it is important because it let the reader to think about it their relationshipthat the father start to change to the good way
sad/mournful, nostalgic/regretful
dark - duty - fire - the blues
that he is talking about his father but he do not love him or feel like he is his fatherfeeling lonely
regretting that he didn't see how much his dear old dad loved him

2. a duty assigned as part of one's work or position;
4. the daily obligatory prayers said by a Catholic priest
At its heart, “Those Winter Sundays” is about love. but the deep and serious familial love between a parent and a child. The type of love that gets you up at the crack of dawn, even when you’re exhausted from a long week of hard work. This love is quiet and brave; it’s not showy, there are no hugs and kisses and snuggles. That means, unfortunately, that it can easily slip by unnoticed.
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3/28/2017 12:24:00(2:15)DickinsonNi Ouyang Poem is going to talk about old memories of those chilly, cold Sundays.Robert HaydenThe reader, The boy's fatherA son recalled a memory of Sunday morning in the chilly weather. Father heat up the house and goes to work. What did I know of love's austere and lonely office?Sunday is emphasized.
Because Sunday is an off day usually. People should take a rest.
the fathercracked hands that ached from labor in the weekday weather made baked fires blaze
thoughtful/contemplative, sad/mournful, somber/grim/grave, ironic
speaking indifferently to him
love's austere and lonely office
Because as speaker is a child, those winter Sunday memory was not a sweet memory to him. He didn't like his father, fear of his father.. He doesn't want to use "dad or papa" these kinds of close words .They had a indifferent time.Because this child has a misunderstanding relationship with his father. He didn't notice father do all the works for their family. He noticed when he grown up. He feel regretted. a position of authority or trustYouth need to understand how the parents sacrificed for child.
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