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1 | New discussion should go on the 2019-2020 sheet. This sheet will close to new comments at eh end of the day today, Friday March 21. It will be archived over the weeknd. You can find the new sheet linked on the main otomatch page or via this link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ymifdq3xUvl5BoGvIQpTnhE8dNcbBblR1EStxbROgOA/edit?usp=sharing | The results of the 2018-2019 Otomatch Top 3 Rank survey are available on the main otomatch.com page | 3/19/19 - The private interview progress sheet has been closed. The vast majority of data on there hadn't been updated since November. | Top row locked by mods. Use next line down to start new row | Note: Access to the private sheet will be granted 1x/day. All requests in by 7p EST will be granted. If yours hasnt been approved, re-request and I will take care of it. | 10/26/18: Due to site being disabled this AM, need you to re-request access to the non-anonymous II sheet if you haven’t been granted access. Thx Mods >PS will likely be tomorrow | 11/4/18: Update from mods: Data from private II sheet as requested by user: mean # II=9.4, median=9, mode=12 as of 0836EST. Data should autopopulate on summary page as well. | 11/13/18: Pinning this here since ppl seem to have trouble not deleting it. Common interview questions: http://www.ryanportermd.com/interviews/interview-questions | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2 | are "what are my chances" posts appropriate here? m3 trying to decide if i need a backup specialty or not | yes | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
3 | FYI if anyone argues with you about the most competitive specialty this year: https://www.ama-assn.org/residents-students/match/inside-numbers-behind-record-setting-2019-match?utm_source=BulletinHealthCare&utm_medium=email&utm_term=032319&utm_content=students&utm_campaign=article_alert-morning_rounds_weekend | Question, if it says 93.9% are US seniors, does that include reapplicants that did like a research year? or are those not considered US seniors anymore < if you delay graduation I believe you're still considered a US senior. If you graduate and do a research year you are not. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
4 | so it looks like programs will not see any ORTA results this year? | ORTA was long! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
5 | fyi on the otomatch user applicant stats survey, one of the questions about advanced degrees does not give the option of n/a or no <+1 <thanks, great catch. Appreciate it. | Also - some of us may not have submitted CK scores so that data may be skewed. (No option to not answer) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
6 | Really should have lines that let students put in their non-home program school names on the "# applicants matched" tab instead of having a single "no home program" line. That way people get an actual understanding of how many people are applying from schools without home programs. It is very easy to skew this number otherwise. Thanks | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
7 | current matched 4th years, can you please input your program info into the 2019-2020 sheet for us M3s? thank you | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
8 | How did BU applicants do in the match? Only see about 5 on the sheet but heard they had over 10 people < Looks like 7/11 per the # of applicants thread | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
9 | Has anyone used the website statpearls for publications? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
10 | https://www.ama-assn.org/residents-students/match/inside-numbers-behind-record-setting-2019-match?utm_source=BulletinHealthCare&utm_medium=email&utm_term=032319&utm_content=students&utm_campaign=article_alert-morning_rounds | <-theoretically, is it possible to swap residency programs? lol < How would a swap be coordinated? Lots of people aren't happy with their matches this year | <-I wonder if the amount of unhappy people seems higher this year because there were more applicants, or if in retrospect, the MS4s who were more vocal about their match results were the ones who had more successful experiences. | How do people plan on swapping? It's a match violation with the NRMP to break your agreement < if you swap you don’t plan to use the nrmp again < I didn't think of that. That sounds stressful | < isnt's the contract for 45 days so they can swap after like 2 blocks and be okay < almost any contract can be supersede by another contract if people agree. Swaps are generally agreeable to all parties. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
11 | Hey, did anyone do an away at BU? Their website says they require "Commercial General Public Liability Insurance" in addition to Malpractice Insurance, but my home school only covers the latter. Is this Liability Insurance something I could buy as an individual? And how/where? Google seems to suggest it's more for businesses, so I'd really appreciate any insight! | < Applied, (did not get it), but my school covered this for me when I asked them about it. I would ask your school < Talked to my registrar and my school's insurance office; no coverage unfortunately. Any other options? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
12 | Hey, MS1 here. Any idea what the salary of an ENT doc is? I heard the lifestyle is great as an attending. | Academics: 250-300k. Community PP: 400+, especially if you’re doing a lot of sinus <seems a little low for academics, i've looked up faculty at my institution (west coast) and they make at least 350K, but of course they are all fellowship trained since it's academics | 200k-1M depending on how entrepreneurial you are and how hard you want to work. You can get actual salaries if you know a name and they work for the state (cointy) or Fed gvt (VA) by using government salary searches.. | What’s the breakdown by Subspecialty? < google it < it really depends on how hard you want to work and how many PAs, audiologists, speech path, massage therapists, beauticians , allergy nurses, sleep te hs, etc you want to work for you or if you just want to “be a doctor” | < Massage therapist?? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
13 | Beginning a prelim surgery year in June. Is it too soon to reach out to my PD and ask if there's research I can be involved in? Also trying to figure out how to become involved with ENT research specifically. | no not too soon. if youre doing a prelim year you want to get started on research ASAP - you have only a few months until apps go out again in september. | I wouldve asked during interview. I got a call from a prelim surg place and I asked if I could do research. He said you're going to be a full time intern with a heavy workload in a busy academic hospital. What you do with whatever free time you can find is up to you.... no gracias! | Are there PGY2 positions that become available? <Every year somebody drops out, gets fired. You just never can predict where | does anyone know about resident "swaps"? My SO matched at a program that was last on his list. Could he transfer to another one next year if it turns out to not be the best fit? | <What program. Not the biggest fan of my match either <MEEI< it wasn't that but it was east coast <what letter does it start with <is he from a west coast big name school originally? <Nope | < unless his program shuts down and he becomes an orphaned resident, its extremely unlikely he'll be able to transfer and will just come down to luck that a spot happens to open up in a place he would like better. Read some posts below from attendings who ended up at places they were excited with but came out thinking they couldn't imagine now training anywhere else | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
14 | Should I take my Step 2 in June if I'm taking a gap year or study passively over the course of the year and take it afterwards? Aka when's the best time to take it if I'm taking a gap year | my school says statistically they see the best scores the sooner step 2 is taken after 3rd year, so they recommend taking it at the very beginning of the gap year | do not wait, take it asap after shelf exams | I took it the day after M3 ended and it paid off big time. | 3 weeks study session (no weekend studying) right after M3. Scored the same as my step 1 in the 260s. | Def take it ASAP | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
15 | If there anyone who matched as a reapplicant this year whose willing to talk to a human who is going to have to reapply next year? If so, please shoot me an email at ------ | Or just post general advice here, as I am also a reapp and would love some insight! | <Would love to hear from reapplicants as well. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
16 | Do those doing research tracks have very strong research backgrounds or less experience but are looking to gain more? Or neither and they're people who didn't match at 5 year programs but don't mind research? | <por que no los dos? doubt PD would rank a person who "doesn't mind research but not that strong to be ranked near the top at their 5 year program" in their prized T32 funded research slot tho < prized by PDs doesn't mean prized by applicants. there's an opportunity cost of 2 full years of attending salary lost to do extra research. | < Matched at a T32 track, I have a decent research background but nothing crazy. I had mentors who did T32 track residency programs and it set them up for success in a big way after they got through fellowship, and I ended up following in those footsteps. If you're going for academic medicine and your research isn't where you would like it to be, I think it's a great option as long as you're okay with the extra time. | < I would love to hear more about your mentors, is there any way you can give me more information? I haven't heard of any alumni of these tracks. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
17 | How did state school peeps end up at top places without doing aways there etc. when all the other residents there are home students!! Tell me yaaa secrets pls | A lacking gag reflex < hehehehe < Do you count UCSF UCLA Michigan UNC as state school peeps? Because alot of these guys are coming from top tier med schools with top tier home programs. | I wouldn’t really count those, I was thinking LSU at Vandy, UMass at Hopkin, and Rutgers at Penn when almost all the other residents were home/away. Just wondering what kinds of things differentiated them to allow them to break into those programs without an away! | Because people have an open mind when it comes to the talent pool applying for residency. Your comments are extremely shallow < We’re lying to ourselves if we don’t recognize that there is a huge advantage from coming from a big name med school. > You’re speaking from an n = 1 :) < coming from a big name program does have a huge advantage - mainly better connections from your letter writters and a more well established connection of residents coming from each other's program | I met all of the referenced people (LSU at Vandy, Umass at Hopkins, Rutgers at Penn) and can tell you they are amazing. LSU absolutely killed it on his away at Vandy. Umass has out-of-this-world research and could have matched anywhere. Rutgers has the best personality on the trail and would have loved to have him as co-resident. Please please don't make these assumptions. Their school of origin has little to do with their talents. <think you are reading too far into the comment, believe OP was operating from assumption that the med school attended has more weight than it actually does, not that going to a non-top med school says anything about capabilities/talents > How do you "absolutely kill it" on an away? I mean, i get read up for cases, i get shw up first, leave last, but how does one go from that to "killing it."??? < those are the basic things you need for a sub-i but really it comes down to if they like you, like really really like you as a person. Part of that is personality and large amount of social awareness and also a really good sub-i is very good about anticipating needs - not like having tongue blades available but other random things depending on a patient's clinical course and a lot of that just comes with experience<< and also a lot of it is luck as to how you happen to fit in with the crew and how your personality is interpreted. The same person might have a Sub-I experience where the program "really really likes them" and then go to another Sub-I, presumably with all of the same talents, and not be as well liked. | It really comes down to your letters, imo. Coming from a small or state program without a lot of clout in the field, having some strong letters from aways will go a long way. If you do an away at Penn and someone well known says youre the best student who rotated there this year and they'd love to have you as a resident - well that's going to turn heads at other top programs but again, it has to be an extremely strong letter. Also, some of the people who matched to killer programs either did a ton of research at their home program or at a large powerhouse research program which helps a lot | You legit have to be the best to match at a top tier place if you’re coming from a no name school. Look at the bias in the people who match at top tier places all from *insert Harvard, Stanford, Michigan, Yale, etc etc* < some schools without big brand names have really strong ENT research like Rutgers - they always match really well ,Yea rutgers has had penn, UW, michigan, michigan, meei, sinai in last 5 years | Who cares about top tier programs? Don't you realize it doesn't matter with regards to your competency as a surgeon and the procedures you can potentially perform. Good for them, they will great for an academic career, which I would rather not pursue, and the stats show the majority of Oto graduates do not pursue academics (probably because they make a lot more money and can tailor their practice to their desired lifestyle). << lol this response was edited from rated R to PG <mods appreciate self editing to PG so we don’t have to delete. The version history is always there if you want to dig into the original | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
18 | name n shame tab up | what is name and shame?? lol < https://www.reddit.com/r/medicalschool/comments/b1uo8q/name_and_shame_2019_rmedicalschool_match/ | Ppl love deleting things so idk if it’s worth it < apparently one comment about U Kentucky already been taken down > Use Reddit so it can't be taken down | name n praise too!!! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
19 | Did people from top 10 medical schools go unmatched this year? | home school matters little | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
20 | Anyone feel like they have no idea how to start looking for housing because they are moving to a much bigger city than what they have lived in before? | I would recommend getting an AirBnB for a short stay, aggressively search Zillow and Craigslist, line up apartment showings during that time, and be ready with security deposit in hand to hold the place if you like it. Use reddit searches to get a feel for the local neighborhoods, maybe ask the residents above you where they are living. Anybody going to Seattle I can provide some pointers, this is a REALLY fast-moving rental market | Let us know where, someone on here might have some specific ideas | DO yall think we need to be finding a place right now or can wait a month? > I feel like this would be specific to the city you matched in, I'd try reaching out to some of the residents where you matched | Insights for Philly! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
21 | Anyone have suggestions on how to figure out take home salary after tax...I guess I have to learn about finances now. Any good resources people have used? | There are some good online calculators that will factor in federal and state tax rates, etc. Google "take home pay calculator" and something should come up | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
22 | What’s the call system at the different NYC programs (NYU, sinai, nyp)? | Check da call schedule tab yo < doesn’t have info on like Q#, number of hospitals etc | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
23 | Love seeing where everyone ended up on the '19 results! So proud of ya'll < +4 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
24 | re: those posting contact info in the match results sheet, are you ok with emails from 3rd years regarding your aways at some of these places?<sure! | Yes, that's fine. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
25 | NAME N SHAME < +1 what does this mean? | If you guys want it, make the tab, just don’t post stuff identifying individuals or anything that can get us sued. Remember this sheet will be locled and archived on Friday. —-sam | Maybe I failed to match at Michigan because I kind of defended Urban Meyer at the social.... really poor social intelligence on my part. < did you refuse to stand and sing victors valiant too?:) | Lol you defended him as a person? Or defended the fact he let abuse happen under his watch? | <Having been a Michigan undergrader, this definiely may have been taken into account if it made it to ranking deliberations... SJWish atmosphere | <lol no one is not going to be ranked higher because of some minor comments made... <You'd be surprised < in AA saying you’re a OSU fan is not a minor thing...similar but less severe in Columbus.<lol definitely severe in Columbus. Been in both cities and both are equally hateful of one another | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
26 | current residents- when do you typically sign contracts? is it during orientation or beforehand? | Drug test, paperwork, probably next week< seems pretty early, can anyone confirm? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
27 | based on small sample in '19 Match Results', it seems more people matched to home or away programs this year. 21:20. looks programs more likely accept the applicants they have known. The ratio in '18 Match Results' was 50:81. | Our program was 3/5 home/rotators. Last two years we were 2/2 so it’s pretty similar | I'm surprised by the amount of "incest" among programs. It seems like at many top programs, at least half the incoming class are home students. < protecting their own in a year where 90 us seniors went unmatched? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
28 | Anyone else sad about matching below their top 12 / below home but also feeling guilty about being sad about matching at all? <+6. | You always have the right to fee guilty. At the end of the day though, you can make where you ended up whatever you want, so keep your head high and work hard | Just matching at all this year is a huge accomplishment. It doesn’t matter where you train what matters is how much work you put in to better yourself | a PGY1 DO told me that someone at his program, also a DO was able to match into facial plastics fellowship because of all of the hardwork he or she out in and also massive amount of pubs; this isn’t a comment against DO but more shows that possibilities are still open even if you feel let down by your match | This was a tough year. I'm sure there were plenty of people who were "ranked to match" based on the last year or two's application numbers but dropped a little lower on their rank list than they might have in years past. | Congrats on matching! I think the good thing about our specialty is that the large majority of ENT programs are friendly places conducive to learning and building your skills. I interviewed at 11 places and I didn't get a malignant vibe from a single one of them. I'm sure at the end of the day it'll be perfectly okay! | The training is really good at almost all programs. I understand if you’re not familiar with the location, but you will be happy anywhere with a good perspective. Remember, you have a great career path for the next 30+ years which has respect and puts food on the table. That’s something to be proud of! | Attending here, I remember matching at my #10 and feeling a little miffed and a little scared. I had placed that program so low on my list because my wife got really scared of the town when we went for the interview. Suffice it to say, I feel my training there was better than the top 3 I had on my list and my wife eventually came around. We didn’t end up staying in the area for a variety of reasons but always look back on those days in residency fondly. Keep your chin up. Look for opportunities to learn from all you attendings, senior resident and any fellows. Get as much experience as you can operatively and clinically. And welcome to the club! | Also an attending. I matched at my #6. I was pretty bummed that I didn't match at my #1, which was a program I was really dead set on. It wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, but in those 5 years I got great training, I met my spouse, I matched into my dream fellowship, and I made some amazing friends. Looking back, would be hard to imagine having gone anywhere else. Keep an open mind, and remember that in residency the days are long but the years are short - it'll be finished before you know it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
29 | Did not match ENT this year and scrambled into a prelim gen surg spot. I plan to reapply ENT next year. Is it unheard of to match at a program that you previously did not match with? < It happened to me | Top 20 programs will be very difficult to match as reapplicant...but there are sime clinically oriented programs that actually give bonus points to reapplicants because they feel it makes them more humble and teachable. | Temple has multiple residents who had to reapply, one of them did prelim gen surg the other few research year. It could be a good place to set up a line of communication and show interest | How do I go about setting up a line of communication when I don't know anyone there? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
30 | This weekends gonna be a marathon < need to bring my vitamin b drip out with me tonight | < lmaooooo party hard you deserve it!!!! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
31 | CONGRATS TO ALL!!!! | [spam from realtor network removed] Please contact otomatch@gmail.com if you are interested in ads. ---mods | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
32 | I'm so excited for all of us today!! Can't wait to see who I'll be with!! | Right?! Congrats to you all! Let's fill out the match sheet! Cannot wait to see the awesome gents and ladies on the interview trail heading to! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
33 | please fill out whether you got interviews at your away rotations and if you matched as an away rotator! particularly would love to know about USC, Irvine, UCLA, UCSD | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
34 | Any M3s or M2s on here worried about ENT. I matched and I am a below average applicant. step 1 and 2 in 230s, 2 honors and high pass during M3, not AOA, 1 ENT pub, but tons of other research, from a mid-tier school in midwest. Did 2 aways, did really well in both. Had 9 Interviews total all mid to low-tier programs. So you defintely do not need to have 250s step although it helps. It's all about hard work making friends with everyone in my opinion. < +1 i'm similar to you, it can be done! <well done!<+1000 | My only advice as an average to above average stats person is one i got from multiple advisors and I think served me well: know what your story is. What are your goals, what are the steps you have taken or will take to get there, why is your goal important to you, and how will the program be proud to have trained you when you achieve these goals? You might be surprised how much a really unique and compelling personal statement make them take a second look at you. I did not get interviews to many top programs, but those that did always referenced how I had a game plan and how I could eloquently express it during the interview. < this advice works better for those interested in academics but possible themes/stories are unique research, other degress/training (unique majors, MBA, JD, masters) and how those relate to/shape your goals in the future, global health, public health, community outreach, leadership (e.g. if you are student body president, young trustee, those sorts of things where it's like hey I'm going to be a future society president), etc. I know these topics are vague but I think it helps for programs to see beyond the stats what drives you and where you see yourself going and you can really be unique even within these larger categories. | < what kind of story or goal can you really provide that's unique besides maybe some interesting research/outreach you've done + want to continue in the future? most applicants want to help people, become good surgeons, go into academics/pp etc < I will say that I went to programs where they said I stood out for x (not that I know where I’m matching so take this with a grain of salt) and I said “well I’ll would assume everyone who got an interview here is also interested in x” and the interviewer said “everyone says that but not everyone can prove it” so just my two cents and I’m in no positon to say anything definitively but I think you have average stats like myself you can showcase your strengths that might otherwise be overlooked in this way. Then again I’m an MS4, so take that as you will (also apologies for the drastic grammatical/spelling errors, I’m well into prematch drinks but I’m trying to contribute as this page contributed to me)) | I agree that you have to stratify your risk of not matching. I don't think that you should give up just because you don't have super high scores (OP and the other responder prove that - congrats to both of you!), but realize that it is inherantly riskier in that type of a situation and plan accordingly. For the record I absolutely do not believe that people with 260s+ will be better physicians or anything like that. <+1 Just look at the applicant stats of the ones who matched this year. A lot are 250s range but there are a few outliers, and probably more that aren't on this sheet. Scores don't determine how many interviews you have. <#1 determinant oF number of interview = how many places did you apply. #2 step 1 score. #3 which med school do you go to, which influences your letter writer and research opportunities. #4 demonstrating hustle, grit, whatever you want to call it and weaving a narrative about how it motivates you- much bigger factor in intervie...but if you don’t apply broadly, even people with 260s from UCSF don’t match. | 260s and 270s AOA 3 Pubs other research, work experience before and 13 interviews. You need to be realistic with this career. I did match <I don't get the point of this post? +1 <this post is in contrast the OP who might spread false hope which lead ito a 70% match rate in the first place. Yeah I matched, but I barely squeezed through, despite a strong application. I just don’t want to lead people astray. I’ve seen a good friend go through the SOAP by thinking they are fit to match with 230s becaise previous applicants got lucky, now they are landing family medicine instead of ENT < not fit to match seems kinda harsh...if you have average to below average states you should have a backup plan and be committed to the idea that you will have to apply to more places, write more personal statements , etc than the average ent applicant and way more than the average med school graduate...but even with below average stats there is still a chance to match in ENT...but inly you can know if you are willing to take that chance. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
35 | Someone put a fourth spot for Utah. Is that correct? They’re high on my ROL and I thought they just had three spots. | Nope, they are 3 as listed on the NRMP program directory | Oklahoma only had 2 spots but they should be matching 3. Extra spot was added on the 19' match results | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
36 | My #1 #2 and #3 are hot, rainy, frigid cold. Living on the extremes | My top 5 are in Midwest, Southeast, Texas, West Coast, Northeast so I feel ya there | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
37 | So excited to learn who my co-residents are, maybe tomorrow! <+3 < LET's SHARE LOCATIONS TOMORROW < that's ambitious...how about saturday if not too hungover ;) | Why maybe? I thought it's definitely tomorrow for everyone <not all programs tell you who your co-residents are < Oh I see! Thanks! | Well, can’t we set up a page for such things here on otomatch? < copied and pasted the match results sheet from the 2019-2020 page <Tks! Added the 2 new programs this year | In fact we can...but I'm too busy day drinking ;) < +1 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
38 | Any program directors or coordinators lurking out there? Are you happy with your matches? | YES!!!! | Imagine if we just got a string of “no” “nope” “not really” or “meh” from the PC’s here <- or "could be better but we'll survive" lol | 5/7 | 5/7? < Google it noob <You're breaking the first rule. Tsk tsk | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
39 | any IMGs match this cycle? < Yup! +2 < which countries y'all from! < UK here < CONGRATS! UK med student here, can i contact you? | one rotated at my medical school and they really liked the person, not sure if they were ranked to match though. | where did the IMG match? I'm an IMG myself (US citizen), and I am hesitant to apply to ENT at the risk of not matching | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
40 | did everyone get an email survey for otolaryngology applicants? is it legit? up | Yea I got it, filled it out. Who knows<+1. It’s an MS3 trying to do a research study. Fill it out - you know how hard it can be to collect data from surveys | Everyone that matched will probably also get an iinvitation for a phone interview from ABOto called ORTA. They are trying to figure out interview questions that can identify “good” ENT residents. —-sam | < The MS3 is violating the law however by not having a link or way to unsubscribe to the email. FYI for those who do such a thing in the future! (for those interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003#Unsubscribe_compliance) <No one gives a fuck about the law when a poor MS3 is just trying to get some data for a harmless study. God you sound like a tool calling some person out for something so dumb < his IRB should have caught that...now if he didn’t run it by an IRB good luck getting it published? Point is there are rules for doing research. They are there for reasons. OP in this cell made a courteous, reasonable comment. Hope I never have to waste my time reviewing a paper by the responder. | Any idea where this MS3 got the email list? < i also think this is an important question | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
41 | Goodluck to anyone out there SOAPing. You will do awesome no matter where you land. Everyone I met on interviews was incredible and will become fabulous doctors in the future. | >Accepted a prelim gen surg spot at a program with a large ENT department. Hopefully can make connections and join you matched folks next year< Congrats and best of luck! | That’s awesome...let us know what program after the Match and we can help however. You survived a broken system | Also accepted a prelim surg spot at a program with a large ENT department. Hoping my dreams aren't dead yet. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
42 | <Either now, or definetly by this afternoon. I am still annoyed programs find out before applicants | I think dean's found out this morning so they can print out the match letters for tomorrow, and then program directors find out this afternoon. | < crazy that they know at this point who's coming to their program and we're all just sitting here in the dark | <lol, calm down, almost there +1 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
43 | MS2 entering dedicated, completely terrified about 2021 match < That's two years away. 2016 was an rough match, but 2018 was ENT's softest match in a decade. You cannot predict the future, you might not been want to apply ENT in a year, so just do what you can to set yourself up for success right now. Stay off Otomatch and study hard - good luck with dedicated! < Lmao Im an MS2 and Im sitting for step 1 tomorrow morning RIP < Dude chill, have a good workout, a good meal, and a glass of wine so you're ready to kill it in the morning. <Thanks boss will do | Would recommend focusing on step1 for now. <+1000 < 2017 and 2018 were more the exception than the rule. This year’s numbers are more on the order of what we’ve seen prior. Assume that future ENT match cycles will be hyper competitive. | Definitely agree that it's much safer to assume that every ENT match will be chaos and to work your butt off for Step 1 (and to a lesser degree Step 2) as well as research. If your match year ends up more forgiving, then great. If not, you were prepared. Although I matched one thing I also would have done differently that may have allowed me to get more interviews is to have my personal statement read and critiqued by a trusted mentor – although I can't say for sure I think that a statement i made in my PS may have damned me from getting an extra interview or two at certain types of programs. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
44 | How much of a disadvantage is it to reapply as a graduate? My SE school absolutely will not let us delay graduation. <curious about this too, even if graduation was delayed and we re-applied as a "US Senior," wouldn't programs still know we didn't match as it would show up in an addended MSPE? | I'm currently an unmatched applicant, who reached out to PDs after Monday to seek advice. Was told by one that applying to residency with an MD after your name is a red flag. Of course it can be done, I've seen it done, but this was just the opinion of one NYC PD, take it as you will. | Take a Prelim spot and reapply --- also look for cancellations/residents getting let go in the first year. | I don't think they addend your MSPE until you graduate. | Either way you will be a reapplicant. It will come across very obviously in your application and cv....it is something you will need to address in your personal statement and you should try to get your letter writers address it as well. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
45 | Anyone else get tempted by plastics or RadOnc? Looks like their numbers fared a little better this year < popularity of surgical subspecialties very year by year, and since there are very few spots, a relatively small shift makes a big difference in the % match rate. Plastics and ENT are both going to fluctuate in # of applicants so neither will ever be much "safer" to apply to. | The radonc job market looks grim. Buyers beware | That's because RadOnc's job market is incredibly poor and residency spots are expanding without concommitant increases in demand for Radiation Oncologists< Damn that's good to know, I had no idea | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5656001/ | plastics has too many gross but wounds <+1, did a sub-I in plastic surgery before Oto and 90% nasty, festering wounds closing, the other 10% cool stuff (saw my first free gracilis facial reanimation surgery, which I want to learn to do). If I was SOAPING and had a baller application even for Oto, I would jump on derm (2 open spots), radiology (low turnout this year), anesthesia | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
46 | For those of you looking for research fellowships, there have been fellowships at Jefferson, Utah, and George Washington posted in the last 48 hours on the Original Otomatch Discussion forum. There is contact info for the muiltipl other research fellowship posted earlier in the year as well. Go to the main otomatch website for the link. ---sam | http://oto.wustl.edu/Education/Medical-Student/T32-Predoctoral-Training-Program | << link- Wash U (St Louis) has a paid resesarch track of 9-12 months, with health insurance. When doing a research year, consider if you want (or even need) a stipend. Some research fellowships are unpaid<<Applications already due :/ 3rd year that would be interested in something like this < man, wish they extended that deadline to this week. would it hurt to reach out? | https://apps.aamc.org/cim-cr-web/#/ | << list of clinical and research opportunities. MUSC has 8 funded positions for a 1-year research fellowship. https://education.musc.edu/colleges/medicine/departments/otolaryngology/fellowships/clinical-research << Applications have been closed | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
47 | Any osteopathic student matching MD ENT this year? (historically allopathic places) < ran into exactly one at a few interviews, no clue if she matched though. | Last year there was one at Penn < dude is crazy smart according to my resident friend at Penn < what's a DO? < DO = doctorate of osteopathic medicine < you were the one who first used the abbreviation "DO" so why are you asking, or this is just a troll < you guys have to stop calling eveyone trolls. | Before this goes dark, I'd just like to say that I've worked with DO's clinically and they not only make incredible physicians but they bring a unique perspective to medicine as a direct result of the differences in allopathic and osteopathic training. I very much look forward to integrating DO techniques into the comprehensive care of future patients | < What DO techniques? < Soft tissue and muscle energy for dysphagia, muscle tension dysphagia, TMJ. Counterstrain for tinnitus. Stuff works and patients leave with their TMJ and MTD resolved and tinnitus improved. < can you post some of the literature showing improvement of tinnitus with those techniques? That's pretty impressive given how poor most of our treatments for it are. < not specific to OMT, but pinned Levine and tinnitus for a related article...thing is it can sometimes make tinnitus worse. | <agree with the idea that DOs are good and all that, but idk about the whole DO techniques of care. Most DOs I know are the same as MDs because we all take the same exams lol +1 < Their training is unique with the osteopathic manipulative therapy (OMT). Some DO's incorporate it into their practice and others do not. Haven't looked extensively into the literature but there's literally zero risk to the patients for 99% of the manipulations and a potentially significant benefit from what I've seen in clinic. | All the DOs I know that are surgeons (n=3) thought OMT was a waste of time, more of a parlor trick to make family members with back pain get some placebo relief at thanksgiving. < well after all, placebo treatments have been demonstrated to be effective time and time again in the litertaure. Just because it doesn't involve a fancy chemical compound or invasive surgery doesn't mean that it can't be equally effective. How many patients with CRS do you know that get no improvement from Flonase but what do we do time and time again? Keep an open mind and maybe future studies may provide better insight into the benefits | <To the guy posting about DO, evidence based med. Stay true ot it | DO student here, applied to ENT and did not match. Going to an osteopathic school is my greatest regret. Scrambled into a surgery prelim year. Will apply ENT again next year but realize it's not likely, will probably end up in general surgery although it kills me to hang up this dream. | Looks like a DO student matched at Kentucky. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
48 | So question for peeps, how do you go about getting letters for a back-up specialty if you decide to do a research year for ENT? | < I'd try to get a few of them now if you have time before research year starts. Shadow, ask your academic dean to see if they can squeeze you into a rotation otherwise. During research year, shadow if/when you can. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
49 | I love everyone is so pumped about talking finances and stuff becuase I have a background in it and passion for it, but I would strongly recommend as some have said to do some serious learning about home ownership vs. renting in residency. There is a high chance that you just break even, but still deal with major inconveniences during your 5 years, and a decent chance you lose money. You're guaranteed to lose time in my opinion. The only time I would say buy without a doubt is if you plan on staying in that city after residency AND you plan on staying in that house as a new attending for a couple years while you blast your loans. Just because you can be approved for a physician home mortgage doesn't mean you should get one. Those companies exist for a reason: because they make money off of newly graduated doctors who want to own a house. (Rightfully so, we're in our late 20s and many of our friends outside of medicine have already surpassed us in much). That said, please take a long look at it and don't jump at the sales offers to own large house and "put equity" into your residence. https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/should-i-purchase-my-residence-during-residency/ https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/10-reasons-why-residents-shouldnt-buy-a-house/ | < thank you for these articles < of course! Happy to help! | Thoughts on condos? < it’s really hard to get a mortgage on them. For some reason a mortgage lender has to ensure that pretty much every owner in the HOA is in good standing before they will lend. This creates a high risk for your mortgage to get denied by the under writer when you try to close on the house. < the odds of getting a mortgage approved on a condo is better than the odds of matching into ENT, just saying <two of my co-residents this year bought condos; both got mortgages. < I think some of those condo underwriting requirements may be regional and depend on local laws. | I understand that people say "dont buy"...because the water heater will break and flood the house. Thing is, that's like not buying a car for the fear of the being T-boned everyday. If you live that way, you should never take a risk and that's a garbage way of living. I've rented for 10 years now and have never had anything significant break in any of the places I've stayed. If you look at what you can get for a rent payment vs a mortgage, your looking at 1 bed 1 bath mediocre place, or a 3 bed 2 bath with brand new or remodeled everything with a porch and yard. Rent vs buying in a inexpensive city is like leasing a 80's geo metro versus buying a new Honda for the same monthly cost. coming from a person with a working wife and plans for a kid in residency, and most certainly a furry friend, I'm buying a house with a yard, whether I lose money on it or not after 5 years, I'm just not doing 1-2 bedroom apartments with my small family and some upstairs neighbor playing Bassnectar and fucking his fat girlfriend for us to hear all night. < This post is the best thing I have ever read on Otomatch. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. | <What that person said exactly. This question is completely dependent on what the housing market looks like in your region, what the rental market looks like, and your personal finances/family situation. There is no one fit. I'm a PGY-1 and we are about half and half buying vs selling in my program and in the gen surg program here. I think more of my seniors bought but the housing market has gone up in the past few years, which has raised the bar for buying. I bought and I have zero regrets, even if I break even, but I have a husband with an income and a 3 year old who needs a back yard. Yes, things break. 6 months in we had to spend 9K on a new HVAC system. But even with that cost, my expense is still on par with rent around here. And I have no landlord to tell me what color to paint my walls or charge me $100 when I move out if my kid leaves a small scratch on the hard wood floors. But the other key piece is that my husband deals with all the homeownership headaches and he actually enjoys it. If it was just me, my HVAC still wouldn't be working and the neighbor's tree would still be poised over my roof waiting for one bad windy day. You just won't have time in residency to meet with the HVAC guy, so it's important that you have someone else to deal with those things or buy a condo where the HOA deals with it, or consider not buying. | < Lots of things to consider for sure, just know about this stuff before you do it! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
50 | Since we are discussing finances: Those of you who match in low CoL areas -- you can actually get approved for a "physicians home mortage" with zero downpayment, no PMI (insurance policy that is required if you don't put 20% downpayment), and you can approved up to 500k typically (though I wouldn't recommend that price to a resident). You need to show the mortgage broker your job contract which you will receive after Match Day and there is a minimum credit score of 650-680. Typically your mortgage will be similar to rent cost, but a much larger/higher quality living space. Also, at 5 years it will generally be a good investment or at least break even depending on regional market appreciation. It really is a wise choice to buy your first home using this option | Wow, was this written by someone who works for a physician loan company, or a realtor? <No, I'm a lowly MS4, same person who wrote that stuff about retirement and loans two rows below< I feel like it’s often about the same cost between renting and buying if you factor in taxes, insurance, and the maintenance costs of being a homeowner. You gotta hope that the property appreciates at like 4% a year to end up better off than renting with the cost of buying and then selling a home. Plus you have the headache that comes with owning. However, there are many success stories of people making 10s of thousands of dollars after all was said and done | Just please research this decision! If you buy and hate your neighborhood you can’t move easily. If you are single and the basement is flooding, you often will be dealing with that while also on a 12 hour shift. A HVAC system can break and be a multi thousand dollar repair. I would caution anyone who doesn’t have some form of a down payment from buying simply because you probably don’t have the equity for emergencies/fixes/closing costs/etc. just playing devils advocate here!! < Emergencies are no big deal, I have credit cards and Quicken Loans... <lol < 877 CASH NOW!!!! | I always hear from people warning about the problems with buying a home as a resident. However, after talking to MANY people who did it, only one person I’ve spoken to regretted it, and their residency took place in a location with a very low residential turnover rate. Is it weird that lots of people warn about home buying but there seems to be almost no one that has done it and talks about regretting it. | I bought in 2004 in Miami and had to sell in 2009. I broke even if you don't count the 8% transaction fees for the realestate agents. Got an interest only adjustable mortgage (2.8% with adjustment and a balloon after 5 years) I consider my self very luck to have gotten out when I did. I have friends that took tens of thousands of loss on condos and homes they bought. >To be fair, you also got very unlucky in your timing since the recession was right when you sold. Although there is currently talks about another similar housing bubble < Agreed, Miami was in a huge housing buble...with some crazy speculative flipper mortgages with interest staritng at 0.5% but adjusting on a weekly basis...even I had enough sense not to get one of those! If you can't afford it with 20% down and a traditional fixed 30 or ARM 15, think twice about it :) | Everyone that I know who bought spent a lot of time dealing with plumbing/bath issues, kitchen, broken heaters/AC, etc, etc etc Residency is busy enough, just rent. | I bought a house when I first moved. Lots of pros/cons. You have to want to be a homeowner. I wouldn't buy a house during residency as a way to just make money or a investment... because you'll likely not make money and either lose/break even/make a smidge in the short time you are there. I've had my fair share of home related issues -- had to replace my roof in the first year, replaced the flooring last year, landscaping/yard work etc. However, I do enjoy being in "my" home and the personal touches that go that. With that said I have a wife/two dogs so that added to my decision. Financially, you do have to consider that most of the physician loans are 5to1 or 7to1 adjustable rate mortgages, which is great while you're in residency as it lowers your payment, and you can afford more home if you want (with the realization that you'll owe more interest in the long term)... however if you're in a market where it's tough sell then that can come back to bite you when residency is over and you haven't sold your house now you have a larger mortgage payment...plus likely a new place you paying for wherever you are moving to after residency. I do know one of my co-residents bought a home..but is working to sell it...at a loss..due to it being a lemon/time sink. So tread careful and know what you are getting into | Personal opinion/experience: I’m non-trad and bought a house pre-med and bought one during medical school - we are in the middle of selling both of them. The house we bought in medical school we are basically breaking even from where we bought it (transaction costs), but had to replace AC, windows, and made some upgrades on the house - after the costs, it was still cheaper than renting an equivalent living space, but has involved many more headaches. If my wife had not taken charge of everything, I would say it is absolutely not worth it - she’s been working on selling everything and I was able to stress out about matching in peace. The first house we rented out during medical school and have made significant profit on - but it is one of the most ridiculously hot housing markets and we were lucky, nothing more; in a normal market, I’d expect to walk away with a few thousand. When people talk about buy/rent, financially speaking, most of the time you should expect break-even or loss on long run costs. The time and maintenance involved should scare anyone who does not have a supportive partner to manage those things. If you are speaking purely from a financial perspective, white coat investor has great advice - renting is wiser for the majoriy of residents for long term financial health. If you treat a house in residency as you spending money and effort for a space that is not an apartment (or whatever equivalent you have in mind), then go for it. But it should be a conscious choice - and if you make money and don’t have headaches, consider yourself one of the lucky ones. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
51 | So 100+ people didn't match. What's everybody doing then? Research year? SOAP into something? Dropping out....? | <that is a quite insensitive comment, this week is some people's worst week of their life and youre making humor of it. < Agreed. Hate to say it but every specialty has it's own bunch of d-bags < OP here. My sincere apologies, I do see how this comes across as pretty shitty. It felt okay to say it because I am one of you unmatched folk, and suffering through the last 48 hours I was sort of just looking to see what my fellow umatched people are doing, looking to find people to commisterate with, that is all. Yes, this truly sucks, it really does, and I am sorry. But as I said somewhere on a few posts down - this is NOT the end of us. Anybody applying to this speciality, matched or unmatched, is an over-achiever, a hard work, and a future physician. This was an awful year for us ENT applicants, but we will all end up becoming great docs somehow some way, as otolaryngologists or not. Love you all. < Rooting for you! and sorry that people here jumped down your throat to make you feel bad (and calling you a d-bag!) for making that comment about the actual position that you're in | The SOAPers are extra stressed by ERAS being a big steaming pile right now too...and NRMP having to change the schedule for match week....thougths and prayers for all those going through the SOAP. Lets plan on asking questions on Monday on the new sheet when those that have a new plan can tell us about it if they want. | < going through the SOAP process, it's terrible. i wouldn't wish this shit on my worst enemy. imagine 4 years of medical school leading up to you begging for a position anywhere, everywhere. This is where it's at right now. < Are you looking to do pre-lim surg or match into a residency position elsewhere? < I am looking to match into anything anywhere. I value my time for than anything else, taking a year to reapply does not appeal to me. < Good luck to you! I hope you land something you are happy with. | <i'm applying for prelim surg hoping to reapply next year.....can't see anything else being as fun as ENT :( < (D3 OP), I would consider myself lucky if I got a prelim surgery spot ANYWHERE < (E3 OP) same!!!!!!! Heard from no one yet, ! :( >Are you looking at gen surg prelims at places with ENT departments? <<<< Yup | A year from now I am so curious to see the success stories of people who did pre-lim surg vs. research gap year. There's a study out there from 2015-2016 cycles that shows that rates are comparable between the groups. < Can you post? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
52 | I have a few financial questions: (1) What are the general thoughts on student loan refinancing? I have >$200k in student debt, and I am strongly leaning toward no fellowship, PP ENT, so I do not plan to go for PSLF. The average interest rate on my loans is a criminal ~7%. Should I refinance immediately after med school graduation? (2) Do most residents purchase their own term life insurance plans, or do they tend to stick with whatever is offered by their residency programs? If so, how much coverage do I need, and at what term length? What about laddering insurance policies (i.e. one 20-year policy and one 30-year policy)? For context, I am single, mid-20s, no kids but hope to have a family in the future. (3) Disability insurance? (basically the same questions as #2 but for disability insurance) I completely understand that the answers to these questions are going to be highly dependent on the individual resident and residency program. However, any insight is very much appreciated! Thanks and good luck to everyone this week! | you should ask the program coordinator of the residency program you match at to get the best answer. < the program coordinator can probably help you with info about the group disability insurance that the program/institution will offer you. in terms of loan refinancing or life insurance, i don't think the PC will have any more valuable insight than a financial advisor, unless they happen to help residents deal with it frequently. If you're 110% sure you're not going to do fellowship OR work in private practice at a non-profit institution, then i believe its beneficial to refinance your loans. But if you think it may depend on the job market/state of healthcare when you finish residency, then I *think* you might be better off pursuing PSLF just in case, and if you refinance it, then the bundling can't be undone or something like that..... basically see a real financial advisor. Your med school might have one they recommend to students or know one that will give you a free consultation. | <I recommend long-term follow-up with a financial advisor < you're saying get a financial advisor as an intern? where do i look for a good one and how much should it cost? <google: dave ramsey financial advisor or white coat investor financial advisor | <Single and no kids. Why would you need life insurance? Unless you plan to get married in the next couple years or have a loan cosigner, paying premiums when you dont really need the coverage to get a "head start" with a lower premium isnt going to work out finanically for anyone but your insurance salesman. IANAFA, but it makes more sense to me to pay down your highest interest loans and max out any retirement plan they have with matching instead of getting insurance. Once you have dependents, you will need insurance, but single/no kids...if you croak, the only one on the hook for the loans is the bank or a cosigner. | A program coordinator is not going to know shit about these complex financial decisions. They are not in the same shoes as you. You need to read up on white coat investor as a start. #1 you should NOT buy life insurance as a single mid 20s person. Only do that when you have dependents or can actually afford a policy as an attending. #2 Do not refinance your loans with a private lender (ie So Fi) until after residency. Take benefit of the interest subsidization via IBR and PAYE while you are a resident. IF you get your first attending job as part of a community or academic hospital, you are still non-profit and can use PSLF. If you get a job in PP, then refinance the loans and pay them off yourself after you've secured a position. #3 Your residency program will provide you a disability insurance policy. Use theirs, upgrade it if you want. You should max out your retirement match, only buy a home if you have a SO to help make payments and are in a low CoL area, and no more than 3x your combined incomes for your purchase price (max 300k). #4 You should start making payments on your loans immediately. Do not let 6 month grace period while your loans bubble with interest. #5 If you are certain you will not use PSLF, then extra monthly income after a bit of saving for emergency fund should go back to loans #6 what you should do is consolidate all your federal loans into one account with one interest rate after graduation. -MS4, finance & economics degrees and 4 years of related, full-time work before med school <You rock! < Just an FYI - I looked at numerous programs's 403b match % income and it's mostly li,e 1-2% of total income so a pretty small amount...not that'd we'd make enough to max out the 18k match at a normal company <a typical retirement match is 3-6%, and at our age you can do a max contribution of $5500. Once you hit 50s, you can begin to put a max of 18k towards retirement, per person. 5500 per year that is matched isnow is nearly 30k at age 65. It’s worth every penny. Also, I recommend doing a Roth IRA during residency (post tax contributions) < max out match of 18k or how much you put in? I'm pretty sure you can put 18K in whenever your income allows - my SO has been doing so since graduating college <You're right, 401k you can do 18k, all IRAs (the kind that actually grow with the market and you choose which funds to invest in) are capped at $5500-6000 before age 50. | <I looked around my university website (not the medical school but the university at large) and found I could a schedule a free appointment with a financial advisor (which to my knowledge was not advertised to me at all, either that or I missed the email). Haven't had it yet so don't know how helpful it will be, but maybe you could look and see if your institution offers anything similar? <+1 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
53 | Real talk, did anyone who got "ranked highly" or other love letters not match? | Got one ranked very highly email after sending them a love rmail and matched. But most places was complete radio silence | I did, research year, low 250s, multiple pubs and strong LOR. 15 interviews, 18 invites. Got a ranked to match twice and email. Didn't match yesterday. For all the talk about applicants misleading programs, it's extremely unprofessional by programs. <what are your plans now? Another year or SOAP? < If you're an international student, do any of the research positions offer a visa? <some offer h1b I believe | wow, i'm so sorry... that's terrible <+6 <programs telling you are ranked to match when you really aren't is a violation of code of conduct (http://www.nrmp.org/communication-code-of-conduct/). May be worth reporting to NRMP... < They might not have violated anything. 'Ranked to match' could mean anything from rank 1 to 40. | I had 5 ranks and didn't match and felt beyond devastated and emotionally unprepared, i can't imagine what you are going through with those stats - i'm terribly sorry. one thing to note, which i am sure youve been told lately - is that your credentials are extraordinary. this was a shitty freaking year for ENT, probably the most brutal ever. but you clearly have the brains and skills to be an excellent physician. so whatever you SOAP into or whatever your plans are going forward - you will be a great doctor soon, and this week will just be a bad memory | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
54 | For an idea of this years application numbers, looks like 328 spots for 531 total applicants (including 66 IMG) >I wouldn’t count the IMG applicants in the percentage. It’s like counting JV players onto the Varsity team > Please be careful with what you say. This is unprofessional. Many IMGs are very well qualified, if not more qualified than most US graduates for these positions. >Lighten up, buddy. Most IMGs will not match into Oto so you should not count them. I don’t give two shits whether or not they are qualified. The reason why Oto hasn’t lost its appeal is because there is a degree of exclusion in the selection process and I want to keep it that way > lol who cares about exclusion, I just want to cut some people and do awesome surgeries < “lighten up buddy” - my go to phrase to descalate a situation too <mine too...right after do you even lift brah <right after calling someone unprofessional on an anonymous spreadsheet | https://www.aamc.org/download/358760/data/residency.xlsx | https://r3.nrmp.org/prepareReport?matchId=IKB-4YALsiNo8PhNkpNOT0Jj3oqZX1csZKcNVzu7INvr9M-G4TeEbb5Afgkj7Z806u2PDDwWgHgsF-vTFlr76nr26xULF3_QVZyfyFNXb-Y&schoolId=&reportName=region al_match_statistics_by_specialty&renderFormat=html | NRMP numbers are always a bit lower than AAMC prelim data < because NRMP numbers are based on applicants' #1 preference, not every specialty they apply to, and you also need to release information to be included in the NRMP stats. < So is it better to go based on the AAMC data then? < Wait, doesn't NRMP make more sense then? Why include people who applied to ENT but didn't rank it #1 and ranked some other specialty first<but NRMP apparently requires that applicants release information so neither metric is perfect. also i assume the vast majority of ENT applicants who got interviews would rank it before non-ENT programs as ENT is unlikely to be someones' "backup" | NRMP link isnt working, do you have to be singed into an account or something? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
55 | Not sure if this has already been discussed, but any thoughts on gifts for letter writers? < OP i meant post match... | I'll write you a letter as an intern. Can you buy me a flight to Vegas? | > I'd say no. I think letter writers would be obligated to decline, otherwise an argument could be made that they only wrote the letter in exchange for said gift < I think the thought is you give it to them after you write it | <Thank you card with a small gift like a book, mug, sweets etc. Those are my go-to's < +1 gave chocolates and a really nice stupidly expensive card that was as expensive as the chocolates | I gave my letter writer bourbon after and we drank it together <I hope you matched at my program! <haha matched last year unfortunately | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
56 | I'm not sure its more or less anxiety to realize no matter where you match, you literally have no choice anymore because its a contract < From what I understand its only a one year contract...but yup. That is the system we have. If you absolutely, positively do not want to go there, don't put it on your rank list. That being said, if you matched in ENT and decide you can't go based on location, I'm sure there are several people that would love to take that spot...so they will let you out of the contract if you tell them you quit. < My anxiety has pretty much subsided since I got the congratulations email yesterday. Yes, I have a preference for where I want to go, but at the end of the day, I'm lucky af to have a spot. | Welcome to employment in the real world. I've been laid off before due to budget cuts and having a guaranteed 5 years of income is sooooo nice. Job security for the rest of our lives. I feel incredibly fortunate | I have found that increased contentment in my life is significantly correlated with a decrease in sense of entitlement. Anything I can do to combat a feeling of entitlement, tends to be good for my well being and helping me not be so whiney. <well said. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
57 | So question for anyone who might know, I completely blanked on resubmitting my passing score to for CS until Feb 18. Then I emailed all the programs on Feb 20th to make sure they knew this was in. Does it seem possible that if programs had already made their rank lists in January after finishing interviews then they wouldn't have ranked me without a CS score? | < at this time, anything seems possible but it would be odd that programs would choose not to rank you based on a missing CS score. I think they would reach out to you beforehand if it would've made or break their decision about you. I'm so sorry dude +1 | Due to a series of bad luck, I didn’t have my CS score by Feb 20th, didn’t seem to be a problem and still matched. Wasn’t contacted by anyone either 1+< Thanks for letting me know that. More info is more info. And to confirm OP, you mean this cycle for ENT, right? << yes sir, correct | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
58 | I had previously written a post on the recommended research fellowships but someone has promptly deleted that. Whoever it is, please know that it is HIGHLY unethical and you should be ashamed of yourself. Keeping information for yourself... > let me know when apprx you posted it. I will pull it from history. thx -mods | <Copy and paste what got deleted, lol +1 | about what time did you post it? we can dig it up in the version history > There's still a missing post about programs that are known for having a research year. I'd look but I'm waiting for phone calls. | same. cant believe ERAS didn't make sure their shit is together BEFORE soap week | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
59 | Were the T32 slots super competitive then? Anyone know? < went to a few of those and seemed that the other candidates all did significant amt of research | Hard to say because a lot of people applied to both the non-t32 and t32 tracks at these programs and, although a lot of people were very impressive, they may choose to rank non-t32 spots higher | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
60 | An advice appreciated on the question of 2 aways or try to do 3 aways. Original plan was to do 3 but now thinking I should do 2 and then do a medicine sub I for my back up plan <- honestly, 3 would be really exhausting.. I would do 2. I chose to go with one small program and a big program to compare | I would do 2. Most of the my ENT colleagues did 1 or 2. Doing more aways doesn't increase your chance of matching except maybe to those programs but the more aways you do, the more exhausted you are, and the less stellar you may seem by your 3rd away. Just do awesome in the 2 aways, do your sub-i in medicine (will be a nice break from the ORs) and apply! < though,I did more than 2 aways and i think it was beneficial. I was struggling with interviews so I think having multiple aways helped me have some solid programs on my list. Yes it was exhaustinggggg BUT I matched... so worth it! Basically I'd say it depends on the strength of your application. Not strong? minimum do 2. Strong? maximum do 2. | I did 3 aways. I would not recommend it UNLESS you have a specific program that you want to rotate at AND you aren't able to do it in time for ERAS and getting your letters submitted but still feel like you need to have done 2 aways before then. I was definitely pretty tired of being a med student at that point and would have been happy stopping at two but doing that last one did definitely help my chances at that particular program. Disagree with the post to the left though about being less stellar - by the 3rd away, I was very efficient at knowing what would be needed on rounds, putting the list together quickly, and anticipating needs in the OR. But if I had to do it over - I would have stopped at 2 < 3rd away, you're more likely to be burned out | What are thoughts on getting letters for aways (in June/July/August ish) prior to doing the actual SubI (in May) although I have done 2 weeks of an ENT elective and am just starting reasearch with an ENT faculty? < I don't think it'd be bad for VSLO applications. | I did 3 aways. The 3rd was after ERAS was already submitted, so I didn't get a letter from it. I was definitely tired at that point, but I also think I was the most prepared for a SubI I had ever been. I ended up matching at that program, so I'm very glad I did that rotation. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
61 | How did the programs with a ton of applicant fair? < so far it seems like the majority of schools had 100% in the ENT match based on comments. | western program 1/4 matched, A friend of mine's southeastern school went 7/7, Northeastern school 4/4 SE school 1/5 | Northeastern low ranked 8/8, Southern program 6/6 | Northeastern school 7/7 matched, Midwest program 6/6 matched, Central program went 6/6 | All programs matched and filled. <they’re asking about programs like BU who had like 13 applicants < Not all applicants at some of those programs with that many matched. heard from a friend. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
62 | 250s step 1/2 and AOA but did not match. Lots of posters but only 1 pub and I applied to 60ish programs with only a handful of interviews. It would appear that my net was not wide enough and too top heavy. I have 2 more pubs in submission since Jan but trying to figure out if I should do a gen surg prelim at a top program (Brigham, Michigan, Iowa, Vandy, UCSF) or a research year. Any advice would be appreciated. If you can be very productive I would say research year over prelim. Unless you really wanna get paid. If you have some kind of special connection or path to the ENT next year and research will ramp you to it, do reserach. <i know at Michigan they have a resident who was able to match there after doing s prelim year, however, others have tried and not been able to. So, ymmv < same at Vandy | < I ended up matching (but only with 4 interviews, I realize how ridiculously lucky I am) but obviously had to do a lot of preparation for my plan B in the event I didn't match. Basically, my advisors told me there isn't much benefit to doing a surgical prelim year unless you think you can get better LORs that way, or if you could use the extra clinical/operative experience to shine during any other aways/shadowing experience/etc. Otherwise, doing research can beef up your application a little more, and really any program who sees that you're reapplying next year will know you have outstanding dedication and the ability to persevere. Absolute best of luck to you, I genuinely wish you the best as someone who was *nearly* in the same position. | Thanks and congratulations on matching! My rationale with a prelim year is that if it is at an institution with a top ENT program, I can use whatever freet ime I have to network with the ENT department and get an in. I will say that a research year sounds more attractive from a lifestyle point of view, but the scary part is trying to set something up right now because I have no idea how to set one up. | How useful could a research year be given it’s already March? Aways realistically start in a couple months and apps are due in September < The point is to do research with some bigwig who will be able to help with letters and phone calls. Some of them have a lot of mentoring built in which will help you. OP, do the research year. It's a brutal year and I feel for you guys (PGY4 here and we had a pretty bad year but yours might actually be worse) but on paper there's no reason why you wouldnt match next year. | Unfortunately you're not alone. We had three students at our institution not match, and two of them did 15 interviews each. It was a brutal year for everyone. Godspeed. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
63 | Saw on Reddit an Oto applicant with 16 interviews did not match. Holy hell thats rough < such a rough year. Anyone who matched this cycle is incredibly fortunate >Agreed +2000000000000000000. Record breaking year>I mean that's how many I had, plus a couple people I know and we didn't match. < 16 interview and turning them down. It's apparently all of us #killmenow. | < Woah, I combed that thread and didn't see that +2 < Or more accurately 250+ step 1/2, multiple abstracts, couple orals, stellar letters of rec (I read 'em), 16 interviews (turned down another 10ish), AND DIDN"T MATCH. < I’m really sorry that happened to you:( i hope you can take tonight to realize you’ve already accomplished so much, and go in tomorrow with a strong foot forward towards whatever you decide. | We also have a reddit thread?! <I think he/she is talking about the r/medicalschool official SOAP thread | I'm so sorry my friend. This system makes zero sense when it comes to situations like yours. I sincerely wish you the best. < +2 | re | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
64 | Did anyone who did not match have an advisor who told them "Now is the time to go for ENT" (due to last years high match rate). If so, did you feel rushed into/unprepared for this year's cycle? | Also mentor has told me that. I'm an M3 now, though <Let me be your mentor now...ENT is not easy to match into. If your not 110% ready for it, I’d get ready for dual application<He just told me that it would be easier to match, nowhere did I suggest that my application may not be that competitive. <I like that response. Good on ya. You’re gunna kill it next year. I’m only saying this because this year there seemed to be a lot of ENT converts that may or may not have been qualified. I hate to say it, but it’s the hard truth. The saddest part about it is those who were ENT from day one may have gotten screwed because of other people crowding the ship and the motherfucker sank. Also, I’m buzzing > I was overqualified according to a number of people and didn't match. Interviewed well enough also. Its just been crayz is all. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
65 | Congrats to everyone who matched! Sympathies to those getting ready to scramble or looking at taking a gap year. Question for evereyone that swapped interview dates: Am I being too paranoid putting up that scarry warning every year? If you did have a succesful swap how did you arrange it? ---sam | Didn't swap...but did post a swap requests on here which was never answered by anyone. I think the warning that an applicants info might get out there and sabbotaged by another is necessary warning...but we cannot actually discourage people to swap. Swapping maximizes interviews for the parties involved, which is good for both programs and applicants. This year there were 10+ interviews offered on 12/7, which could have been swapped. Personally had to cancel two interviews on this date, which sucks. | < 100% agreed. I made two swaps that helped me go to interviews at 4 programs instead of just 2, and loved all 4. However, the warning is much appreciated: I would definitely not share my email on here given the amount of trolling I've seen on here.<- same made a new email for the swaps page | I was able to swap all my interviews by working with program coordinators and didn't have to cancel any that I was offered that doubled up on 12/7. I also tried utilizing the swap request tab but it didn't yield any swaps, so I just worked with coordinators. | I swapped with someone after exchanging emails on the swap page - worked out great for me | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
66 | Making Early Nights and Tequila a thing tonight...felicidades amigos! | Drinking a bunch of tequila and then ending the night early is quite a lifestyle move. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
67 | Peeps who matched after reapplying after graduation, could you share your stories? | I did match, but if I hadn't, I would delay, get a part-time job in biotech/pharma/formal research, and re-up next year with a better reserach profile and several more away rotations (including other specialty Sub-I's). | <you can't really do away rotations if you already graduated... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
68 | For those who have time, please fill out/complete the Applicant Stats tab to let upcoming MS3s know your final #s! <+1 yes please!< gotchu! | Be sure to check back after Friday. I would love to fill out my final stats, but I double applied, so first I want to see if I matched into ENT or not <thank you for following up | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
69 | At this time, does a program know who will become their residents? | < Last year, the programs found out at noon, the day before match day. | Thursday?< Yes. Because most of the coordinators go to match day, especially if they match with someone from their school | Yes, Thursday - the NRMP sends out the results to programs | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
70 | Guessing the match rate for Oto this year....65% ?<when will this info come out?< where is this info from? >key word “guessing” based on 310/466 and zero unfilled position < there were 328 so 70% < where's the info on the number of spots? < under reports on r3 < thank you! | 63%. | < holy shit, where did you get this info? unless just a guess | <I hope it's just a guess... | Official info doesnt come out until April | the number includes many double or triple matches. what is the percent of these single match applicants? <single match info isn't really ever reported | triple matches? really? < have heard of quintuple matches, though this is in another field | What does 'double', 'triple' match etc. mean?<dual apply is another way of saying double<ah....I was getting double confused with couples | Is the 63% number true of false? < unknown <it is a guess at this point. < It actually should be higher than that - NRMP final numbers are always less than the preliminary data from ERAS that everyone keeps quoting. You can go look and compare last year's numbers from that spreadsheet with the official NRMP numbers and see it's about 50 less people. Regardless, it's going to be 70-80% match rate | Yes, it's true. Can't tell you how i know but I'm seeing the numbers. It was a brutal year, backlash to last year. Significant increase in the number of applications. < If you can't say how you know, then I don't believe it. <are you late to the party? We’ve been talking about this historical number of applicants all year...the math shows that there cannot be a higher rate than 70% since there are zero unfurled spots. Next year will lkely be the same....THAT is stil speculation < you have to wait and see what the NRMP final numbers say though - it's always less than the AAMC prelim data on number of apps | <this guy sounds like a total noob tbh | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
71 | The NRMP had one job... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
72 | Damn :( didn't match with 6 interviews, 2 at top 10 schools. Hoping there's something decent in the SOAP for me, but keeping my head up regardless. <STATS?? <Poor timing... < All good, low 250s, from a school without a home program, did 2 aways, invited back at one < That's fucked. I'm so sorry <That suck! So sorry dude. Wishing you better luck in the scramble. *fingers crossed* I know its too raw now...but would you mind answering more questions from MS3's next week once this all shakes out? < you all are ridiculous, leave them in peace +3 | <will pray for you all! Keep your head up for the last stretch!+3 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
73 | That red “not soap eligible” scared the poop outta me < are you me? I used those exact words | <yeah wtf, that's extremely unnecessary < they should have had it in green. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
74 | Holy shit balls.....MATCHED! +6 | did you get an email? >took like 10 mins but yes finally | I did the rude thing and checked the NRMP website | Yeah same, matched, but still no email +2 < 30min later still no email lol < just got it 11:29 < still no email 11:45 AM | Lol to the "Did I Match?" subject line < omg horrifying < the email preview 1-liner helps so much. Though I just realized I didn't fully read the email, just "congratulations!" < same, had to go back to make sure it was real | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
75 | 12 PM Esat Tine | No unmatched Otolaryngology positions this year. >Fact or fiction? FACT. ZERO unmatched positions in OTO <+1 heard from program director <Wow. Has there ever been a year without an unfilled spot? [in any specialty]<Any word on match rate for ENT? < yes lots of times | Wait really. Noon? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
76 | and..... | Any news guys? -M3> good news!! | LET's GO | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
77 | results up on R3 | dr | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
78 | Anyone else have trouble falling asleep last night? < you slept last night ? | why the trouble sleeping? is there something important today? oh yea that one hour thing...shit im late for work. </s> | < yeah i'm not going in today | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
79 | My prayers go out to everyone. Best wishes, no matter the outcome. <+1 | <agreed, best wishes; but making a statement like 'prayers to those will less than 10' is like you are trying to freak people out... just say prayers for all :) +1 < thank you for changing your post!! | 2019, where 80% of even the well meaning statements find a way to offend someone. <<< this statement offends me < I feel personally violated by this statement.<I’m not religious don’t offend me with your prayers | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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81 | Someone confirm for me that there's nothing else I need to do in case I don't match and have to SOAP. | < some people who know they are going to have to SOAP pre-write a new PS if they are ok SOAPing to a different field or will pre-emptively ask people if they would be willing to write an LOR for them < yup and keep like an updated CV or list of things you’d want to add | OP, did you have to SOAP? < Step 1/2 250+, multiple abstracts, 16 interviews, great letters, didn't match. Not sure if I'll soap or do a research year. < Ouch. Sorry to hear that. Best of luck! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
82 | Planning on dual applying next year and seeking advice. To those of you who did it this year - was this ever bought up during an interview? Did you have to avoid overlapping instutions and choose not to apply to gen surg and ent in the same program? Any advice appreciated! | I dual applied. I applied to the same institution in both but never interviewed for both at the same institution. Only got asked in one interview what my plan was if I didn't match and I was honest and said I dual applied. People may have other opinions on how to answer that question but I didn't feel good about lying.<did you turn down interviews if they were at the same place or did you just end up not getting interviews at the same locations.<I didn't actually have any overlap as I was a much more competitive applicant in my backup field I got interviews at bigger name institutions than I did for ent. I guess the only thing is that I didn't apply to my home institution in my backup specialty because I knew I'd get an ent interview there | I had dual applied (a few years ago) and didn't overlap any institutions but wish I had - as the previous poster said, I would have probably been in different tiers in ENT and gen surg and gotten a different range of interviews. No one seemed to notice I had dual applied/didn't get asked on my interviews. I will say I am at a place now where ENT is a division of surgery and some of the ENT attendings do interview the gen surg applicants, so do be mindful of the organizational structure. Other than the interview day, don't think they are involved in each other's process. | I dual applied in IM and ENT. I only overlapped at two programs (including my home). It was a little awkward because on my IM interview day, I ran into one of the ENT residents who I knew from my SubI and she was like "um why are you in a Suit at 7am?" Other than that, though, none of the ENT programs asked about it. A few of the IM programs commented that my CV was quite ENT-heavy, but didn't outright ask if I double applied.<---- what tier IM programs did you get interviews from (askiing as someone who will also probably apply IM as backup) were you able to break into any of the top 20 IM programs? < I came from a top 20 program and was interviewed at a handful of them. My interview list for IM spanned from top tier to bottom tier. | < if you dual applied, do you find out which specialty you matched to today? < nope | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
83 | Everybody - I wanted to wish you all the best of luck tomorrow. Despite some negativity on this page, I know the vast majority are wonderful people and are going to make excellent physicians in the future. And MANY of you will make fantastic ENTs. Whatever happens tomorrow - you have acheived an impressive amount, and you should be proud. Match or no match, tomorrow does not define who you are, what you have endured, and will not determine WHO you will become in the future. Things happen for a reason, and the reason for your path may not always be apparent when it is determined or given to you, but all things happen for a reason. Keep your chin high, friends!!! <+2 | I mostly lurk here, but I wanted to say thanks to all the people who've been helpful, giving advice, swapping interview days, and giving much-needed sanity checks like the one to the left. I got to know some of the coolest people I've ever met on the trail this year, and I can't wait to see where y'all end up. Best of luck everyone! | Love seeing all the positivity and encouragement. I just wanted to pipe in about "things happen for a reason." I know that some people don't believe that. So, if you end up not matching, regardless of whether you believe it's for a specific reason or random or just the way it is, it still will be okay. :) We'll all figure it out, and I know we'll be there to support each other through the process! | most excited to see who my coresidents are this week <3 +1 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
84 | Do you think that there will still be some unmatched spots this year? << Maybe? It's hard to tell. It sounds like a lot of people have been going on a ton of interviews out of fear of not matching, which might lead to some unmatched spots. | Have there been a few unmatched spots 3ish years ago and earlier when ENT was competitive like it is this year? | < You can check on this website easily: https://bsolomon.us/app/residency-match/c | No unmatched slots. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
85 | Was anyone awake early enough this morning to see if they matched? | I did and it said I matched but honestly, it didn’t help me relax that much cause there’s no way to know if it was legit or just a placeholder. Nothing’s official til Monday<probably feels a little better than having received the other message though, right? < yeah, you matched! Congrats! | < Missed it by 10 minutes because I hit snooze. | I looked around noon and it said "you do not have access to view the unfilled programs at this point" or something like that - so now i am convinced that I am unmatched and will get a message to SOAP on monday... fml<it was fixed by around 9am est. anything after that is meaningless<everyone who checked after the glitch was fixed (9am), including those who received the congratulations message, got the “you do not have access to view infilled programs” message | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
86 | Someone on SDN found a way to see if you were matched or not matched via NRMP this morning but it’s since been shut down. Crazzzzzy. https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/img-internal-medicine-applicants-match-2019.1343942/page-118 < I clicked the link, got the second message, freaked out, then read through till the end of the thread. Thank God, the dream lives on! | https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/img-internal-medicine-applicants-match-2019.1343942/pag | < Looks like they made it so everyone who does it now gets the "Not matched" result so don't freak out people!! | Just the thought that we could already know our fate makes my heart sink > Schrodinger's Match Envelope < Russia, are you listening ? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
87 | Anyone else not eligible to SOAP? What did I do wrong? < Talk to your school, find out if there's some graduation requirement you're still missing | Yea i would call/go to your school ASAP and figure it out with them. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
88 | Anyone else feel okay/confident after interview season with their numbers but now after waiting so long has convinced themselves they won’t match? The longer it takes, the more confidence I lose >+3 | Me too | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
89 | Any suggestions for a good podcast kinda like behind the knife for gen surg? | On the “undifferentiated medical student” podcast there’s a good interview with an ENT | Legends of Surgery https://legendsofsurgery.libsyn.com/ - 20ish minute anecdotes of all sorts of surgical history that goes well beyond Semelweiss and anesthesia <omg thank you for this | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
90 | PSA: Apparently we will be receiving an email tomorrow that states whether or not we are SOAP eligible, but this doesn't mean anything about whether or not we matched, so no need to freak out :) | why would someone not be eligible to SOAP? < They use body wash intead < ha < Good one dad < Someone give this person all the residency positions | Didnt pass step 2. Arent on track to graduate from med school. Disciplinary action due to substance issues. Lots of problems can pop up....but if you are in jeopardy for not being eligible to SOAP, you would know about it by now. | < lol jeez at first I thought you were saying all that happened to you | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
91 | Has the ENT spreadsheet always been so terrible? This whole cycle everytime I have gone on here, it is a bunch of people being mean to one another and making everyone anvious. I hope my cointerns arent like this | Take a look at the ER sheet if you want to see truly epic levels of incivility. --> Link? > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z588KHcfsKEr9CklI2B04O3jIgwFdemWUREmGQARPQg/edit#gid=1618662589 jk | Last year our thread was much more supportive and helpful. I think there are just a couple more vocal trolls this uear<your year wasn't competitive < lol +7 < MMHMMMMM | Lol regardless of competition, there are still more vocal trolls lol? Don’t see how that has anything to do with what i said haha. I hope you all become more chill < seriously, all the interns I’ve met have been awesome while having a million things on their plate at once. It’s easy to lash out at people on an anonymous google sheet but for everyone’s sake, I hope we all have better ways of coping with stress | It gets much easier to handle axienty when you know you have a purpose/job. The fear of unknown is what makes people crazy. All of us will be fine....post match < nah, in a few years you'll be freaking out about fellowship <Probably hah, but I have little interest in fellowship. General ftw <then you’ll be freaking out about which job is optimal...but you’ll still end up making six figures even if you only do trauma at the county hospital. | It's always been that way. When I applied 8 years ago, one of the chief residents told me to strictly avoid Otomatch, as it would do nothing but make me anxious. He was right...still good advice | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
92 | Anyone else feeling nervous for intern year? Haven’t done an ICU rotation yet / wont be able to cause its full for the rest of the year so that’s definitely making me nervous | < FWIW I did an ICU rotation and still know jack shit. Luckily, everyone in the hospital gets this and (most of the time) will keep us from killing people. +1 | < Same, did a SICU rotation and it was just scut work with minimal teaching, sadly < +1, learned more from scheduled lectures than anything else during my rotation <The vast majority of my med school has been scut work with minimal learning. Most things I learned were from independent study. It's a expensively broken system | the way I see it, there was nothing much I could have done to prepare for M1 in the summer before. Likewise, I doubt there's a whole lot you could do in the next month or two that would make a difference. Intern year is gonna hit us like a truck either way. I've mostly been working on losing the 10 lbs I gained on the interview trail, and I'd be thrilled to get back into a healthy routine between now and july | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
93 | I think I'm actually going insane waiting for Monday. Anybody got a propofol drip | Referencing three rows down, how dare you express anxiety about it, you inconsiderate ass. Don’t forget about offending the person with 3 ranks!<lol<It seems you missed the point. I think you need a hug.< or some puppies < this was definitely sarcasm .... | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
94 | I was just on the ortho spreadsheet out of boredom, and they have a whole tab dedicated to puppies....can we do this? Please!!! LOVE THIS. THANK YOU TO WHO POSTED! >+1 | < Apparently we're mad toxic up in here so no | https://www.dogster.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/chow-chow-puppies-06.jpg | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
95 | Here's to hoping we're all SOAP eligible tomorrow :P | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
96 | OP please stop trolling. Thx, Mods. | Wowowee< OP Seems like the type of person who goes up to every student on match day and tells them he/she matched at number one program even if they werent asked about it. It's ok | People ought not have more than 14 ranks. Taking more interviews than that is messed up. < 100% disagree. If you got more interviews, you deserved them, and there are valid reasons to go on more interviews. < Also not super relevant but you could have 20-some ranks with only 14 interviews if you applied to a lot of research tracks > I agree that it would be nice for people not to hoard interviews, but this would only work if every ENT applicant did this. This would be tough to coordinate among students. Even less appealing would be a formal cap on the number of interviews you could attend (maybe if all programs used ERAS for invites this would be feasible, but probably would not be popular). Without a way of ensuring that applicants would limit their interviews, I think the hoarding will continue. | Hey guys - new attending here. Pulling in about 500k year. Do you think that is enough for financial security? I worked really hard and earned this salary, but I still worry about making ends meet, despite the fact that 90% of individuals make significantly less than me............ still have a real BALL in my stomach >I wish I knew how to insert a "crying laughing" emoji here> Like this 😂>yazzzz, lol<lmao I like this | Guys do you really not recognize that OP is a troll? Lmao come on. << I’m not so sure these days << If the OP is a troll, may the soap be with him/her < Haha, definitely a troll. And definitely pathetic. <yeah...I am not a troll. I legimately have an fair amount of ranks and I am still nervous about matching. Excuse me for hurting your feelings expressing an unpopular opinion. It’s anxious no matter what your situation is. Screw you all, screw the mods for assuming a person with 14 ranks and still feeling anxious is automatically a troll. Again, getting interviews is not a participation trophy and don’t blame me for a rough year. There’s people here who had 20 plus invites and went to them. Blame them if you want. I went to 13 so sue me. < Yeah I think this is definitely a valid sentiment ... no matter how many ranks you have, you could still not match< valid concern for OP. If you are a jerk, you may actually not match with 14 ranks < lol | For all of you getting angry at someone with an average amount of interviews when you didnt, that’s low. +2 | The problem with the "participation trophy" defense mechanism is that it clings to the concept that someone got more interviews because they are more deserving. Applications are imperfect at capturing such things. There are plenty of people who worked just as hard (or harder), had just as much knowledge/skill, demonstrated a marked commitment to the field, and for one reason or another didn't end up with as many interviews. Everyone is anxious about the match, and it is reasonable for the OP to be nervous too. It is a bit tone deaf, though, to respond to people who are saying "Hey, we have it worse than you" by saying "Hey, you deserve worse than me" | OP, on the 1% chance you're not trolling, I'm sure you'll be an absolute delight to work with as a resident. That being said if your personality is anywhere near as lovely as you've displayed here today, you might not even make it that far. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
97 | Any good resources for a global Head/Neck anatomy review prior to doing a first Sub-I? | Netters and ENT secrets. Iowa protocols are great for procedural related anatomy and real images. Honestly just paging through a couple pages of Netter's a day does pretty well. | < Sketching it out, I think, is the best way to go. Draw each layer. Compare with cross sections to appreciate depth/layers | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
98 | Would you rather couples match or take a research year and try to match where your SO goes? | Couples match...assuming both of you are strong applicants. It's really risky to choose one place to put all your hopes in. < true but if you’re not a strong applicant without the research year, you may also not have a lot of overlapping programs and be doing distance fairly early on in your list | I am couples matching this year and we both felt comfortable with our applications. We received 13 programs of overlap (same program/same city). We made sure to meet with our deans and discuss the probability of our match before making that decision. If you are both relatively strong applicants, I would say go for it. | I'd recommend couples' matching. Some of my classmates who have pursued the second option (one person matches the year before) have had to cancel interviews or not rank programs they really liked because they were too far from where the SO matched. I think many people might resent having to make that decision. It seems like the person that matches the next year has to bear the brunt of that. At least if you couples match you can decide after your interviews to prioritize same city/region combos and make your rank list to reflect that. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
99 | I still go back and forth about renting versus buying as a resident. If I do match at a program where real estate is affordable, how fast does one need to start getting active with buying a home? | I viewed houses in April after match and put an offer in for a closing date on June 1. if you're doing a physician loan there's lots of paperwork to do for it...may need to have a copy of your contract, show that your loans are either in forbearance or that you are paying a small amount to get approved . in any case, would try to get started as soon as you can | Buying in an city with affordable real estate (homes $200s), with a SO to help contribute, and in growing real estate market will be a smart decision by the time you hit 5 years. Without a down payment using a physicans loan, your mortgage and rent will likely be the same, but you can get better living space by purchasing vs renting a 1 or 2 bedroom. You can also do home improvement projects with bathrooms and kitchens as the most valued and easily walk away with at >30k (heard as high as 70k) in equity for your next house downpayment. Or keep it as a rental and hire property management company for a source of passive income | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
100 | Anyone have any predictions about if next years class will have the crazy numbers this class did? I know im definitely thinking of dual applying at this point if its this crazy.<Idk how it is at other schools but my school were going from 6 people applying this year to 3 already < my school is the opposite - 3 this year and 5-6 next year < I think the 2020 match will be similar to 2019, the die is more or less cast for people applying in the fall, with perhaps a slight uptick in dual applications < agreed - low to mid 400’s are the norm once again. | I think the number of people applying will be high like this year but people will be more aware/ready to deal with it by dual applying, applying even more broadly, and having other back up plans ready | I also believe that the 100+ people who do not match this year, many will reapply next year. That is my plan at least. I know a handful will SOAP into something else, or a handful dual applied this year, but a non-negligible number next year will be spill over from this brutal cycle, and perhaps a few extras who took a gap year once the high numbers were released. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||