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1 | Do you think nostalgia is clouding current media? | Do you believe nostalgia is inherently a part of the creation process of media? | Do you seek out stories that have strong ties to familiarity/nostalgic elements, such as remakes, reboots, comfort media (media from your childhood)? | Do you think Easter Eggs, homages, and other nostalgic elements are important for the story as a whole? | In Star Wars, do you believe nostalgia is clouding present-day filmmakers and storytellers? | Which Star Wars film/TV Show do you think handles nostalgia the most effectively overall? | Which Star Wars film/TV Show do you think handles nostalgia the least effectively overall? | Can you give an example of a moment in Star Wars that made you feel nostalgic and good? | Can you give an example of a moment in Star Wars that made you cringe at the nostalgia, or took you out of the story? | Do you have any other thoughts on nostalgia as it relates to Star Wars? | ||||||
2 | Yes | Yes | If I really, really loved something, I generally avoid reboots. Otherwise, I get excited to see a new take. | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | The Life Day reference in The Mandalorian. | Luke lifting the x-wing in TROS | If it’s obvious, or just a ‘remember this?’ reference, nostalgia in Star Wars falls flat. But if it’s used to comment on how we all use nostalgia to cope, it can be moving. Nostalgia is all about our relationship to aging and how we reflect on and reconcile the present and the past. Star Wars is so uniquely situated for that in our media because it is long running, yet there are no alternative timelines or time travel. When Star Wars works, it works because it understands this. | ||||||
3 | Yes | Yes | Not as a rule, but I’m not opposed to it | No | Yes | The Force Awakens | The Clone Wars TV Show | The short story “Whills” from FACPOV, because whatever it’s meant to be aside, it always reads to me like two friends discussing everything that excites them about Star Wars, and it makes me feel happy and fuzzy inside | Like 90% of The Rise of Skywalker. Every time I thought they were going to stop winking back to the first trilogy, BOOM, right back at it reminding us they’ve seen episodes 4-6, you guys | |||||||
4 | This may be a bit of a cop out, but yes and no. I think TRoS is a prime example of nostalgia clouding the story, but The Mandalorian imo seamlessly incorporates nostalgia and new story telling elements. | Yes | Yes | No | Yes I do. With TRoS and JJ and CT in particular. I think they let their nostalgia for Star Wars cloud their judgement. I think it works best when we acknowledge the character's nostalgia, not the audience's. | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | Rey watching a ship leave Jakku and then putting on the rebel pilot helmet. She's dreaming of the future, of the horizon, of family and belonging. It was her binary sunset moment that actually worked and was the moment I fell in love with her as a character. | I'm sure I'm not going to be the only one to say this, but Rey returning to the Lars homestead and Tatooine in TRoS. She has no connection to that place, but the audience does and that's why it doesn't work for me. | With something as popular as Star Wars I think the influence of nostalgia is unavoidable, but I keep coming back to what Jon Fravreau said on Disney Gallery: The Mandalorian about wanting to be influenced by the things that influenced George and not by Star Wars itself. Filmmakers approaching their Star Wars stories with that in mind is what will make the presence of nostalgia meaningful in future stories. | ||||||
5 | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | The Clone Wars TV Show | The Force Awakens | Parade scene at conclusion of TPM | Rey on Tatooine in TROS | |||||||
6 | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Certain filmmakers who's name starts with and ends with the letter J | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Palpatine somehow being alive | It's a knife edge. | |||||||
7 | Yes | Yes | I wouldn't say I seek them out but I'm certainly always somewhat drawn to that familiarity of childhood | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | yoda and Luke in TLJ. the whole scene brings to mind their conversations in ESB and RotJ but without losing the meaning and context of those scenes and uses that memory to reinforce the theme of the scene at hand | Everytime Solo "explained" how Han got something iconic to him. Like his name. Or winning the falcon. or his blaster. or Lando pronouncing it Haan. I like the movie but combined it's all a bit much. oh also the brief shot of the training remote in TFA. it's not much but it calls just that little bit too much attention to itself as "hey recognize this thing" and most of TROS | nostalgia isn't inherently bad but it shouldn't be steering story. trying to tap into specific emotions a creator remembers can be great but trying pull on a memory without the appropriate context and leaning soley on imagery or audio cues without regard for the meaning of those images or sounds muddies the message being sent i.e. Yoda's theme + Luke lifting the X-wing during Rey's "get back up your horse" scene on Ahch- To in TROS or at the end of the first Hobbit movie where the Nazgul theme plays over the goblins (who have no connection with that theme or those characters) cornering the dwarves | ||||||
8 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Luke and Leia in TLJ when they connect through the force again | The entire concept of Palpatine being Rey's grandfather, feels way too contrived and just pandering to fans because it comes way too late into the story for it to be significantly meaningful and impactful to the characters themselves. | I think it can be done well when it's 1) small/quick moments (like Finn accidentally turning on the game in the Falcon in TFA) or 2) meaningful to the characters themselves like R2 showing Luke Leia's message again in TLJ. If it's more meaningful to the audience than it is to the characters (especially if done frequently) then it flops in my opinion | ||||||
9 | Yes | Yes | Yes, but I often find nowadays that I enjoy and appreciate new media that I have no nostalgic ties to more when I seek that out instead. | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | R2 replaying Leia's "You're my only hope" message from A New Hope for Luke in The Last Jedi. It brought me back to the moment that Luke and Leia first met in a touching way, but was also important to the story TLJ was trying to tell, especially regarding Luke's character arc. It wasn't nostalgia for the sake of nostalgia. | Maz giving Chewie Han's medal at the end of The Rise of Skywalker. The fact that Chewie never received a medal at the end of ANH was purely a fan-made complaint that was never addressed in the films or any other media that I can think of. I knew immediately that that scene was only in the movie to appease certain fans and it completely took me out of it. | I feel like when most people think "nostalgia for Star Wars" they are almost exclusively thinking about the OT. I know I and many other people have more nostalgic feelings for the PT, even the ST now that it is finished, I just rarely hear people reminisce about them in the same way people do about the OT. | ||||||
10 | Yes | Yes | More no then yes, but the yes is there | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Kylo in TLJ walking with is troops, just like Anakin (or technically Vader) did in ROTS | Can I just say all of ROS? LOL. But if I had to pick one, Luke lifting the X-Wing in ROS | This will out who I am but, the over focus, in some places forced, on nostalgia for the OT is limiting not only nostalgia for other eras but, is distracting from making the Star Wars universe a more unified Galaxy. Which in turn detracts from the story, consistency, and immersion. It all takes place in the same Galaxy, let’s show that instead of pretending other things didn’t happen or don’t exist. | ||||||
11 | No | Yes | Yes | Yes | Only some filmmakers | Rogue One | The Rise of Skywalker | The R2 and Luke scene inside the Falcon in TLJ with the Leia holo. It took me back to when I first saw ANH but made sense for the characters in the story at the same time. | Luke lifting his X-Wing from the ocean in TROS with the Yoda theme. | I think that when done properly helps you connect deeply to what the characters are experiencing in that particular moment, it’s a great tool but needs to be used carefully. | ||||||
12 | Yes | No | They pique my interest when they come up but I don't necessarily seek them out | No | No | Rogue One | Solo | A little outside of the films/shows themselves, but the opening of the final episodes of the Clone Wars including the Lucasfilm title card immediately raised my expectations. | As much as I enjoyed the Mandalorian, I found the Mos Eisley Cantina scene too much. visually it was spot on, but I felt compelled to draw unfavourable comparisons between that scene and a New Hope, especially placing Jake Cannavale's character in role similar to Han Solo. | Modern Star Wars could be compared to period dramas, with the nostalgia provided by the location, set and costume design. Familiar themes run through them but the story and characters provide the unique qualities that move the franchise forward. | ||||||
13 | Yes | Yes | No | Only if it serves either a relevant story purpose or isn't 'sat on'...Easter Eggs in life are supposed to be hunted down, not laying out in the yard as clear as day | Movies yes; TV less so | Rogue One | The Rise of Skywalker | In Rebels S1 when Ezra finds the Holocron with Obi-Wan's message from RotS; in a new story and setting, it was comforting (albeit sad) to find some sort of familiar footing in a storyline that was unfamiliar in both characters and settings | Just everything about Palpatine being back in RoS...that movie was rough for me because it had so much potential and it pandered to nostalgia in a cringey way | |||||||
14 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Phantom Menace | The Rise of Skywalker | The moment in Rogue One when the rebel fleet drops out of hyperspace above Scarif is a very nostalgic scene in the movie for me personally —despite having a preference for the PT over the OT,— it’s just so 80’s Star Wars, yet jazzed up a bit with modern rendering capabilities: more ships flying about, cleaner camera movements, more detailed models. The scene is brilliantly lit with that very realistic cold, bleached-white light of outerspace, which I find to be so reminiscent of the fleet over Endor in RotJ as well as other 80’s sci-fi like Alien, and of course back then they were filming with actual models and real lighting setups, but to be able to recreate something so simple and subtle that evokes nostalgic and sentimental memories without being an intrusive cameo, reference or retelling is quite special. | To contradict the previous answer, in that same scene from Rogue One they throw in clips of Gold Leader lifted straight from ANH with the audio reworked, which is something that immediately pulled me out of the moment, and to a certain extent the digital recreations of Tarkin and Leia were a distraction from the story as well. | |||||||
15 | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | The Mandalorian | Solo | |||||||||
16 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | The Mandalorian | Solo | When I saw Darth Maul on Solo, I could not roll my eyes far enough. The film makers already crammed almost everything a casual viewer knows about Han Solo in a movie that spans what, a couple weeks? Then they shoehorn one of the coolest characters from the prequels as some sort of Marvel style stinger for things to come. I was so offended. The film was already swimming in a sickening amount callbacks. Just let the story breathe without trying to prove itself as part of the greater Star Wars mythos with all these contrived “blink and you’ll miss it” moments. It was very unnecessary. | Franchise fatigue. | |||||||
17 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | |||||||||
18 | Yes | No | Yes | No | Yes | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | Yoda visiting Luke in TLJ | Luke lifting the X-wing in TROS | |||||||
19 | Yes | No | Yes | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | |||||||||
20 | Yes | No | I'm not honestly sure. Depends on the subject matter. | Depends on how they're used. | Yes | Revenge of the Sith | The Force Awakens | The way the Force theme is played near the end of Revenge of the Sith. Perfect blend of past and present. | Most of the sequel trilogy | It's a tricky topic, because of not handled in a well-balanced way, it can harm the story more than help the story, something the sequel trilogy did poorly, imo. | ||||||
21 | Yes | Yes | No | Sometimes it's used for dramatic purposes | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Leia's message in The Last Jedi | Chewie getting a medal | |||||||
22 | Yes | Yes | No | Sometimes | Yes | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | The last season of the clone wars | The rise of Skywalker, it just did not bring a good ending at all to the entire Skywalker saga. Disappointed, to say the least. | |||||||
23 | Yes, but 90% of the time I’m okay with it | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Solo | I love all of Solo- which is essentially little snippets of nostalgia of Han and Chewie, but I absolutely adore the “cheap move” scene in TLJ with Leia’s message to Obi Wan. | I don’t think there’s ever a moment where I’m taken out of the story because of a reference/nostalgia | I think nostalgia is important for the story and seeing familiar instances from previous movies brings another layer to the story. It pulls on your heartstrings and amplifies your emotions (whether they’re happy or sad). I also am very much a “comfort” watcher so I watch the same movies over and over again and I love finding little details connecting all the stories together | |||||||
24 | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Luke's tirade about the Jedi legacy of failure | "I am the Jedi" | It needs a perfect balance. Can't be just full of nostalgia and no story. As Yoda once said, "we are what they grow beyond" | ||||||
25 | Yes | I think it can be important, but shouldn’t be the basis for an entire movie | No | Yes | Yes | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | Force ghost Yoda scene in The Last Jedi. It was unique in its message, and gave us an interaction that I think was important /pivotal for Luke. Just like Yodas message for him in Empire Strikes Back was. | Most of TROS. Nostalgia done for nostalgias sake without following story beats is not appealing. It made the movie a huge disappointment and took away from much needed character progression. | |||||||
26 | Depends. I think movie anniversaries and milestones are important to celebrate! And I appreciate that! But, I think the nostalgia component played a deeply misleading role in the lead-up to TRoS, and gave me a lot of false expectations for the movie, which led to a deeply disappointing and dissatisfying experience. | Sometimes! For better or worse, and whether intentional or not, I think it can be there. | No | It depends on the story for me! | I definitely think it did in TRoS, but I’m not seeing it clouding the narrative thus far in The Mandalorian. Or with the final season of Clone Wars. | Rogue One | The Rise of Skywalker | The final episodes of the Clone Wars. I fell in love with Star Wars all over again in those final four episodes. | Every day since December 19th knowing TRoS is canon... and was somehow approved as the concluding chapter In the Skywalker saga. | |||||||
27 | Yes | Yes | 50/50–there are certain movies and moments that evoke a strong reaction in me, and I turn to those in moments of anxiety or strong emotion. Otherwise, I love exploring new ways of storytelling | No | 50/50–less about nostalgia as a whole and more about catering to people who claim nostalgia but they really want the story to feature the white guy. | Rogue One | The Rise of Skywalker | TLJ-the call back to the Binary Sunset as Luke found his peace and purpose. R1-what have they sent us? Hope. | Somehow, Palpatine has returned | Nostalgia has a deep route in memory and routine. For me, I use things that I view as nostalgic to recapture emotional feelings/memories or to revisit a moment in my childhood. The OT has a special spot in my heart because it was something I watched with my dad on TV. So, a lot of feelings of joy are wrapped up in the OT for me. Yet, I can still and do love the new characters and the growth that I wanted to see in the ST. TLJ handled nostalgia really well. | ||||||
28 | Yes | Yes | It’s complicated! | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Seeing the Falcon For the first time in The Force Awakens | The end of Rise of Skywalker on Tatooine | It’s clearly getting in the way of meaningful storytelling and stunting story and character growth. | ||||||
29 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | R2 playing Leia’s message for Luke in TLJ | Chewbacca’s medal and most of TROS | At this point it’s really unnecessary. I want new stories. I don’t want to keep going back to the OT. | ||||||
30 | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | The Last Jedi - Yoda and Luke The Last Jedi - Han’s Dice The Rise of Skywalker - Ben Solo’s homage to his dad Mandalorian - “the ice cream maker” 😁 (I giggled) | THE RISE OF SKYWALKER (most of the “nostalgic” moments were really heavy-handed and clunky and eye-rollingly “ugh”) | I love the subtlety TLJ inserted the nostalgic elements - amazing 🥰 I really appreciate how Mandalorian “kept“ the SW atmosphere but managed to be sth else 👍 The TFA was really nostalgic but pleasantly so. I didn’t cringe once 🥳 The Clone Wars are set right in a middle so it’s hard to even call anything in nostalgia 🤗 The Rogue One 🤨 was a nostalgia overload (given when it was set - understandably), it felt similarly to TROS 😒 - like a video game - but, unlike TROS, the nostalgia wasn’t clumsy (although I did roll my eye at the Vader scene, despite it being a good looking scene). Solo felt a bit like TROS - a check list of call-back bits (but Solo was actually fun). Out of all SW films and shows, I haven’t seen Rebels and Resistance so I can’t comment. | ||||||
31 | Yes | Yes, because stories, art, music, etc. all draw on previous works for inspiration. Many of which the creator is nostalgic for | yes, if they continue on the story of that media, and not remakes/reboots | Yes | in the films yes, I think there is greater creative freedom happening in the TV shows | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | The music, using themes and motifs to invoke emotions from past movies while furthering the story. Specifically, in Solo when Han sees the Falcon for the first time and the Main theme plays made me almost tear up for some reason and really made me realize the connection between the Falcon and Han | Honestly, the whole of Rise of Skywalker felt like a bad nostalgia trip. Specifically bringing back all the other OT characters out of the blue like Lando, Wedge, the Emperor with out mentioning them or tying them into the other movies. They pop out of the blue and felt very jarring in the last act. Even force ghost Luke when Rey burns the TIE seems very "fanservice -y" | I have never been very nostalgic for Star Wars as I didn't grow up with the OT. I am 23 and grew up with the prequels, but didn't become a hardcore fan until I was in college when I discovered the animated shows and the ST. I feel like nostalgia is an effective marketing tool, but can become a crutch in the creative industry and that is evident now in the current time of remakes and reboots. But I think within Star Wars nostalgia is done best when it is subtle or doesn't take attention away from the main plot. For example, I love easter eggs because it rewards the fans for paying attention and increases engagement with multiple rewatches. | ||||||
32 | Yes | Yes | It depends, for some things (mostly comfort) I might | No | I would pick yes but that would showcase how much I think It's ruining the overall story. They all want to recapture their own childhood feelings and think it's enough. | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Leia's hologram in TLJ, Seeing Luke have all that weight on him is an example of how it can be more than just hey it's that thing you know. | Dr. Evezaan and Ponda baba in Rogue one. It serves no story purpose, Isn't funny and doesn't even register with most casual fans. Close second is Chewie getting the medal | In small doses it's fine, like hearing a characters name or a visual cue. Or in terms of broad themes, but it too often goes beyond the first and falls short of the second | ||||||
33 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | When R2 showed Luke the hologram of Leia in TLJ. | When Luke lifted the X-wing out of the water in TROS. | |||||||
34 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Luke and Leia’s reunion at the end of TLJ | The entire final scene on Tatooine in TROS | I think it’s damaging current storytelling because the creators can’t look past their own fandom and childhood preconceptions of SW | ||||||
35 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | When Luke became one with the force beneath the twin suns. | All aspects of Rey's ending on Tatooine. | Nostalgia played too big of a role in the sequel trilogy. | ||||||
36 | Yes | Yes | Depends on my level of investment in the IP. There are some that I am sure to check out (Like Star Wars or Batman films) and others where I will choose something different (like with MCU.) | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | The Yoda scene in TLJ. It is a moment of pure joy for me - two characters reflecting at their past, but at the same time thinking about how their actions might impact the future generations and how they can move on themselves. | Since 99.9% of people will pick X-wing lifting in TRoS, I'm gonna choose the moment when Qi'ra talks about Teräs Käsi in Solo. It's just paying lip service to people who know WAY to much about Star Wars, it doesn't add really anything of importance to the movie and it also references a game which is notorious for how bad it is. This reference could've been cut and nothing interesting would be lost as a result. | It's all about balance. The premise of the ST, which is to inspect metatextually the importance of the OT, is absolutely sound and had a ton of potential for some great storytelling about the past, heroes of our youth and how they are doing now, familial legacy, and so on. A lot of this potential was realized with Last Jedi. But it's important to not let nostalgia cloud your judgement, like it tends to do in JJ Abrams pictures, especially in TRoS. Let your heroes be fallible. It's the only way to move forward. | ||||||
37 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | The Clone Wars TV Show | The Rise of Skywalker | The Clone Wars, because it took me back to 1999, when I watched a Star Wars (The Phantom Menace) movie for the first time. | The Rise of Skywalker as a whole. | I don’t mind some nostalgia, but to drawn in it and build a whole movie on it definitely bothers me. | ||||||
38 | Yes | Yes | For very certain things, but I think it is important to grow from that nostalgia and force myself to find new media, but allow myself to come back to what comforts me | I think that really depends on the story you are trying to tell. Does it move the story in a good story way and not a fan service way? Solo and rogue one are good examples of using Easter eggs and homages in a subtle way that really develops a good story | Some yes. And the problem with it isn’t that they are clouded by nostalgia, but that they are only clouded by part and don’t look at the story as a whole, the second trilogy is important and it’s kind of heartbreaking when filmmakers just brush it off like it isn’t. | Rogue One | The Force Awakens | Maul in Solo. Yoda in TLJ. So many moments in Dave produced shows. | Most of TFA, especially when it just felt like a retelling of A New Hope. There are good parts but so much just takes me out of story. | I think it is important, but we also need to grow in the stories of Star Wars. It can’t just be all stormtroopers and planet destroying battle stations. It’s telling stories of people like jyn and Han and the ghost crew. Those stories show us different perspectives of this universe we love without feeling like we are being bombarded with the same thing over and over. I think nostalgia is also something you need to take out of it when you are introducing Star Wars, or other childhood loves to other people. My friend was in DCP in Orlando prepandemic and was working in galaxies edge and I started to introduce her to Star Wars without giving my opinion and my nostalgic take, where another friend of hers just basically kept shiting on the prequels before she watched them. Yes, personal nostalgia is important but you need to let people have their own opinion. That goes for storytelling as well. Yes, tell a story about this amazing universe and use nostalgia as a tool, but be open to others thoughts and tell a story for everyone. That was long. I just have many feeling about Star Wars. Have a great day! | ||||||
39 | No | Yes | No | Yes | No | Rogue One | Solo | The “rally” in TRoS, when the motley fleet from the whole galaxy shows up. It made me feel the same excitement and joy I did watching ANH for the first time. I don’t even care that all temporal logic of traveling to Exegol went out the window. The dopamine hit obliterated my need to nitpick. | Han getting his last name in Solo. Also how he met Chewie. Admittedly that might be bc I knew the Legends material too well, and while I’m not usually fussy about that, something about it in Solo just rang wrong. | People have been doing this sort of thing literally forever, back to the ancients. The problem isn’t nostalgia in storytelling; it’s storytelling decisions made by corporate consensus and advertising mandate rather than by storytellers. | ||||||
40 | Yes and no. For some things such as Disney live-action films, yes. But for some things such as maybe video games, not really. It depends on the media. Plus, nostalgia can be used correctly such as in The Last Jedi. | For the creation of stuff based on previous media, most likely yes. | I probably seek both. Plus, in the case of remakes/reboots, I've watched mostly ones based on properties I've never . An example is the Fruits Basket reboot, which is a property I didn't watch as a kid, so this is my first time engaging with the story of Fruits Basket. | Depends on the story being told. In the case of The Last Jedi, the elements used were very effective. | It probably depends. In the case of J.J. Abrams and maybe the Rogue One filmmakers (an example being the easter eggs that don't really add anything to the story), yes. But in the case of people like Dave Filoni and Rian Johnson, not really. | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | This might be an unpopular opinion, but Luke lifting the X-Wing in The Rise of Skywalker. | I don't think there were any that really made me upset. Not even The Rise of Skywalker made me cringe in terms of nostalgia. | For future filmmakers who want to utilize nostalgia well, I suggest looking to The Last Jedi and understand how it uses nostalgia to serve the story first. Chris Stuckmann pretty much says it best. The fan service in the film had story purposes. | ||||||
41 | Yes | Yes | No | i love them as grace notes, when the tone is right, but that's always a balancing act. | Depends on the creator; informs some, clouds others | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | Yoda in TLJ; the Erso homestead in Rogue One | The Ahch-to scene in TROS | I treasure thoughtful, sincere (or novel-seeming, in TFA's case) connections to what's come before. But it's so subjective. Mando feels old in a good way. Resistance feels new in a good way. TLJ, RO, and aspects of Solo feel in balance. | ||||||
42 | Yes | No | No | No but they do give enjoymenta and thus effect/tie/even ground the story as a whole sometimes | Yes | Rogue One | The Rise of Skywalker | Jyn Erso's raincoat... weird answer but it's a very cool look and visually ties to Leia in ROTJ on Endor. | Luke lifting the tie fighter. Utter nonsense. | Well... I've got some very mixed feelings about The Mandalorian and how they ride with the OT nostalgia. I mean the documentary is mind blowing sort of tech wise so they are pushing boundaries in a way but the OT nostalgia just drags the story down a bit... They could do amazing things with new world building etc expanding the galaxy... but instead they choose to fry monkey lizards on Tatooine..... | ||||||
43 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | Rogue One | The Rise of Skywalker | The Ghost in the Battle of Scarif in Rogue One. | Almost all the nostalgia in Rise of Skywalker unfortunately. | |||||||
44 | No | Yes | I rather like to watch the originals then watching remakes/reboots. Especially Disney is annoying me with its live action remakes. I love to dwell in nostalgia (being a vintage toy collector)but I always like to have the original and not a remake. (Toy or movie/franchise) But what they are doing with STAR WARS or the Jurassic Park franchise is really what I like. New content, new stories (they could get a little more creative) mixed in with elements of nostalgia especially those that only we as fans get, is exactly right for me. | In ongoing franchises, yes! | I think they most often find the right balance of nostalgic feeling/elements/easter eggs and new story/lore. | Solo | The Rise of Skywalker | Well, that didn't neccessarily make me feel good... but the version of Order 66 in the last Clone Wars arc with the music and what is happening made me really feel like I'm in RotS again. And that is kind if nostalgia although not that "warm/fuzzy" you were talking about. But I think they created this so well. Especially wirh all the surrounding factors where you always knew where you were in the RotS timeline. | It kind of distraced me to see some of the "practical effects" creatures in TFA especially the metal picking bird... We had so much talk about this nostalgig thing of practical effects beforehand that when I saw them finally in the movie it took me out if the story. Or the creature in the sand that turns its head(sorry not remembering the names of those creature right now) ... I don't wanna say they are poorly crafted or anything but... it was too much "in your face - practical effect - now you feel like in 1977, right?" that I got distraced. And that comes from someone who loves stories of the creature performers and puppeteers and loves the ANH cantina scene although I got into SW with the 2nd trilogy. | You already recalled very recent tv shows/movies into your STAR WARS nostalgia. That doesn't work for me yet. I don't have nostalgia for "Solo" yet, but I love the nostalgia they put into. The earliest piece of STAR WARS that I feel nostalgic for is the first 5 seasons of the Clone Wars since I have a great memory of watching them all in the summer of 2013 right after Clelebrstion Europe. But everything that came after is still so "new" and "fresh" to me that I don't feel nostalgia for. I started with the 2nd trilogy like you and so I wish for more references of these although I also love most 1st trilogy easter eggs and references as well. But I have the feeling this goes more into my love for lore/easter egg connections etc. than into the real "feeling " of nostalgia. Thank you for your content. Lau~ | ||||||
45 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | The Fathier chase in TLJ evoked pure 80’s feelings, from Temiri Blagg’s woohoo reaction to the rousing score, to the humor and pacing. | Ponda Baba and Dr. Evazan in Rogue One “Don’t say the Death Star” in TFA | |||||||
46 | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | The Falcon chase through the cave on Crait to the "TIE Fighter Attack" score | The Tattooine scene in TROS. 🤢🤮 | Nostalgic storytelling works when the repetition imbues new meaning on the story being told, i.e. Luke seeing Leia's message in TLJ. It doesn't work when there isn't a strong narrative motivation, i.e. Luke lifting the X-Wing in TROS. If the story functions without the callback then it's working, but the callback cannot function without story. | ||||||
47 | Yes | Yes | It depends on what the media is. | No | Yes | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | Seeing the Falcon again in The Force Awakens and having Rey and Finn work together to fly it and use it just felt like pure Star Wars. Han showing up later and reliving his memories on it was nice as well. | Rey going to Tatooine. None of that last part made any sense to me. It wasn't good "fan service." | I think too many current creators rely too heavily on nostalgia for the ORIGINAL trilogy. It would be kind of nice to see some nostalgia for the prequels, but I feel like too many people still hate them. I, however, love them and always have. | ||||||
48 | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | Rey having the saber fly into her hand in TFA. | The "42 year" comment in TROS about the festival. Ick. | Nostalgia in itself is not a problem for me in Star Wars, i even like it in places, but when it is used incorrectly, or for laughs/not relevant to the plot or character development, it comes off as odd. For me a perfect use of nostalgia was Captain America wielding Mjolnir in Endgame because that paid off the character development, a story plot from SEVERAL movies back, and contributed to the plot. It ADDED to the story; not distracted it. When nostalgia (ugh TROS) is used to appease a certain group of fans solely for $$$ it turns me off BIG time. It feels fake. | ||||||
49 | Yes | No | Yes | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Artoo playing Leia's message for Luke; it was not only nostalgia for the audience, but for the character. It meant something to Luke and so it meant something to me as well. We were both engaged in the act of looking and feeling nostalgically, and there was something resonant about that for me. Or, of course, Yoda's appearance - seeing him again, as I knew him, but hearing him offer NEW wisdom and NEW words was so, so satisfying. | Palpatine's lines in Rise of Skywalker: the straight ripping from Revenge of the Sith; the literal act of "meme-ing" in a film was frankly awful. When I heard, "Do it," etc. I was mortified (in addition to hundreds of other offences). | I am an inherently nostalgic person, but the nostalgia I am receiving from Star Wars currently is hollow and meaningless. I don't want it anymore; I'm full, not hungry. Give me something new... give me the wonder of seeing new designs, new characters, and new sounds... give me what I felt when I saw those new designs appear in 1999. | ||||||
50 | Broadly speaking, yes. The 80's are over. Stop cloning them on Exegol. It's gotten boring and cynical and same-y. | Yes | Yes, but I'm becoming increasingly embarrassed and selective about it. We don't have enough new things in this century to reboot later... | They're more like seasoning or window dressing. Just right and it sets the mood. Go too far and it's a pandering remake. Attempt to engage that nostalgia in a challenging or transformative way and you risk making a real movie half of your fans will hate. | It's always been right on that edge. I think a big issue is that a bunch of different creators all understandably want their big chance to play with the exact same set of old toys and icons. But also Star Wars has always been about 50% nostalgia (first for old stories and movies, then later for old Star Wars itself) and 50% something crazy and new. | A New Hope | Solo | They all hit some sort of fleeting acknowledgement pleasure center, whether they're actually "good filmmaking" or not. But for me the sweet spot is either when something old is done in a totally new, transformative context, OR when you look at something from the new canon and for a second you squint and you see pure, classic Star Wars. EXAMPLE OF THE FORMER: That Yoda scene in The Last Jedi was something else. A beautiful old school puppet and two classic characters having a frank conversation about where they went wrong and the future of the franchise, set to iconic John Williams music. It's all the old stuff but like you've never seen it before. EXAMPLE OF THE LATTER: I have, uh, complicated feelings about The Rise of Skywalker. But there were little moments with our main new heroes, like when they're in the cave on Pasaana or their big hug party at the end, where I felt feelings I haven't felt since ROTJ. I imagined being Leia and proudly looking at them like "all my babies are grown up Star Wars people now". | Large stretches of Act 2 of The Force Awakens. I love that movie and I love Han Solo in that movie, but from the moment he starts obsessing over Chewie's bowcaster, you can feel the movie losing its focus in favor of winking overindulgence that doesn't even make sense on a character level (he sees that gun every day). The movie doesn't come roaring back to life until his death. I came to the Sequel Trilogy for my old friends but ultimately I just wanted more time with my new ones. | Our first experience falling in love with Star Wars (usually as kids) is a powerful "force" (sorry) that keeps pulling us back toward the franchise as we grow up and as the series evolves. It's important to never lose the various ingredients that make people fall in love, but also these things need to evolve in new directions, or with new perspective, or the hero needs a new face from time to time. The people, places, things and stories of past canon are as important to fans as their own real life history (weird but true). That will never change. But we've revisited almost every original trilogy image, design and character already in the last 6 years. Most of those characters and/or actors are now gone. We're already seeing a gradual pivot toward prequel nostalgia, and then one day to sequel nostalgia. Hopefully the end of the Skywalker Saga, with its definitive character deaths and passing of various torches, is the opportunity to finally move forward to a future defined more by the new than the old. | ||||||
51 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | The twin sunsets of Ahch-To heralding the end of Luke's hero's journey in a beautiful parallel to how he started it on Tatooine. | Ending the story on Tatooine, where Anakin was a slave, his mother was a slave who was kidnapped and murdered, Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen were brutally burned alive, Obi-Wan lived in exile, Luke lost his family, Leia was a sex slave, and Han was taken hostage by a gangster. The audience loves Tatooine because it's where we started the story, but for all the main characters, it was nothing but a place of misery. | Nostalgia, well-done, is about parallels and themes, drawing together disparate elements to make the story deeper. Lazy nostalgia is just repeating plot points for no purpose but cheap, emotionally exploitative fan service that bears no meaning for the characters going through the motions. | ||||||
52 | Yes | No | I dont seek it out, butnif something i loved is being remade, ill likely watch it | They shouldnt be important- they should be nice small elements. A new story should not hinge on nostalgia | Yes | The Clone Wars TV Show | The Rise of Skywalker | Han and Leia hugging in the force awakens | Luke lifting the x-wing in rise of Skywalker | Everything doesnt have to pay homage to the original trilogy. | ||||||
53 | Han and Leia hugging in the force awakens | Luke lifting the x-wing in rise of Skywalker | Everything doesnt have to pay homage to the original trilogy. | |||||||||||||
54 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Luke and R2 scene in The Last Jedi | Luke lifting the X-wing in Rise of Skywalker | |||||||
55 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | Rebels | The Rise of Skywalker | Han boarding the Falcon in The Force Awakens. | Every cameo in The Rise of Skywalker | It’s poisoning genuine storytelling by relying on past stories and characters, and by not focusing on the present story. Cameos are there so people go “oh!” for a second and serve no purpose. It’s an easy way to provoke a reaction and it’s cheap and infuriating. Yes, this is mainly about TRoS. | ||||||
56 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | |||||||||
57 | Yes | I think pulling creative inspiration from other sources of creation but this doesn't have to be nostalgia. Mando wasn't nostalgia but was inspired by other art. | Sometimes when done well, avoided most live-action Disney remakes but also just enjoyed rewatching POTC - thanks for the rec. | No | Sometimes, I think RoS was just a clusterfuck, not sure that nostalgia was the reason. I could accept the nostalgia in TFA but RoS was just terrible. | Rogue One | The Rise of Skywalker | Han Solo's appearance in RoS, the entire last season of clone wars | PAPALTINE almost every time, and the new Death Star plot in Force Awakens - how can we not come up with anything else in a fantasy series about space??? | I have a hard time recognizing Clone Wars nostalgia - part of it is nostalgia because it ended so long ago, not sure if it would be nostalgia if it had all came out together - not sure if this matters? I want there to be MORE worldbuilding in Star Wars - I thought Rebels did this so well, they added so much to the world of Star Wars rather than getting stuck in what already exists. | ||||||
58 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Luke's compassion saving Anakin. It was never about laser swords, it was about love all along. | ALL of TROS: Chewie receiving a medal; Rey's sudden worship of Luke; Luke lifting x-wing; Kylo being Vader 2.0 at the start; retconning of Rey's parents; the Emperor just being there; REY SKYWALKER; Rey ending in Tatooine all alone like the old woman she feared she was going to become in TFA, alone in the desert waiting for people who'll never come back. | It's destroying the possibillity of new ways to tell a story. I don't need character to be related to a skywalker or palpatine to be important, I just want them to be three dimentional. | ||||||
59 | Yes | It can be but it doesn't need to be. | No | Easter eggs should be minor things. Little nods to the fandom. But a story should stand on its own without knowing what the Easter eggs are. | Specifically JJ, yes. | Rogue One | The Rise of Skywalker | There's quite a few in the Battle of Scarif from Rogue One. Red 5. Gold leader etc. | Rey being a Palpatine. | Nostalgia is fine in small, well thought out doses. | ||||||
60 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Han and Chewie returning to the Falcon for the first time in TFA. Luke and Yoda watching the tree burn in TLJ | Darth Vader in Bacta in Rogue One. Chewie getting a stupid medal in IX. Luke raising the X-wing in IX. Too many in IX to list, but these two jump out as egregious examples. | Star Wars DO SOMETHING NEW challenge. I don't mind nostalgia. I loved the OT with all my heart and enjoy most of the goofy fanservice in Solo: A Star Wars Story. But the ST was actually doing something new until IX just shat all over it with stupid callbacks, easter eggs, and plot points that had NOTHING to do with the present story, characters, or throughline (Tatooine? Palpatine? Sith bullshit? ffs). | ||||||
61 | Yes | Yes it is, but story should come before it. Nostalgia is like a strong spice that adds to a dish, a little goes a long way, but too much ruins it | Yes, in moderation | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Rey shooting the TIE fighters and then the Falcon traveling through the crystal caves. The classic Falcon music was a call back but the scene was its own thing. | Ghost Luke lifting the Xwing. They used Yodas theme (NO YODA). It was all so hollow. | Star Wars runs the danger of only harkoning back to previous entries and not paving a new way forward. We saw the best of SW in TLJ and the worst in Tros. | |||||||
62 | Yes | Yes for franchises and reboots. Original work does a better job of alluding to something in the past without banking on that to provide the emotional weight because the audience remembered the reference. | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Luke looking at the binary sunset in TLJ. | TROS: repeated lines, hero worship of Rey to Luke (Poe talking to Lando since they couldn’t use Leia was handled much better), Luke lifting the X-Wing, bringing Palps back without a clear intention of changing the endgame (darkside vs lightside and balance), Rey Palpatine, Rey Skywalker, ending on Tatooine | I wish more fans and even the creators would just admit nostalgia affected the creation of TROS. It’s ok to enjoy that, but to pretend it’s not at play is misleading. As a newer fan, it was obvious to me because I feel no nostalgia towards the OT and in my opinion, the ST characters were all sacrificed for it. | ||||||
63 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Chewie getting the medal | Need to move beyond it or else Star Wars will eventually get old. | |||||||
64 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | The Darth Vader hallway scene in rogue one | Lando in TROS | |||||||
65 | No | No | Yes | Can I answer somewhere in the middle? | OT nostalgia yes. I wouldn’t mind some more Prequel nostalgia tho. | Rebels | The Rise of Skywalker | World between worlds. | 90% of TROS. | I’m a prequel baby, I like the OT but I do hope with the years we get more nostalgic and appreciative of the prequels. | ||||||
66 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Leia's hologram in The Last Jedi | Cloud City/Endor in The Rise Of Skywalker | I think it works best when the characters in the story feel also nostalgic (like Han in the Falcon in TFA). | ||||||
67 | Yes | Yes | A little to warm the heart | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | R2d2 showing the old recording of Leia to Luke in TlJ | Luke pulling out the xwing in TROS | There should be a rule book about how many nostalgic moments can you add in a movie | ||||||
68 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | The Force Awakens | The Rise of Skywalker | Stormtroopers not hitting the can scene in mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker. The whole movie. Palpatine, legacy characters, Han’s medal, I could go on | Nostalgia isn’t terrible unless it hinders/stifles the new product. TRoS was ruined by the nostalgia Constantly beating the viewer over the head. | ||||||
69 | Sometimes. I can be used effectively and/or sparingly, but it occasionally impedes the development of new media. | My answer is yes, but I wanted to include an example. George Lucas had nostalgia for the serials he enjoyed as a child and created Star Wars and the Indiana Jones movies, which was a greet use of nostalgia. | Yes | No. But they can be fun and appropriate when they are subtle. | No | The Mandalorian | The Phantom Menace | With each new movie after the original trilogy, seeing that Star Wars logo and the blast of John Williams' score always made me feel nostalgic. | The inclusion of Yoda in the Phantom Menace. Now, when anyone watches the movies in episodic order, they won't have the surprise that I did when finding out that this little annoying creature actually IS the Jedi master. In the same vein, when Padme names Luke and Leia in Revenge of the Sith. It would have been so much better had their names and genders not been revealed, as it would have kept the surprise of Leia's being Luke's sister intact. (I think most viewers would have just automatically assumed that the twins were the same gender.) | I really enjoy the way that The Mandalorian is handling nostalgia. It's very subtle; I think I missed at least half of the Easter Eggs the first time I watched it through and I only learned about others through podcasts, such as your awesome podcast, or online. It doesn't take me out of the story and feels a part of that world. | ||||||
70 | Yes | Yes; “...there is nothing new under the sun.” Ecclesiastes 1:9b | Yes | No | Yes | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | Almost every scene in Solo gave me comforting, good nostalgic feelings | The X-wing that Luke raised out of the ocean on Ahch-To in The Rise of Skywalker | |||||||
71 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | A New Hope | The Rise of Skywalker | TLJ throne room scene calling back to the Ani/Padme scene in ROTS (the only SW movies I saw in my childhood were the prequels) | All of TROS, but especially the scene with the medal | It's choking the franchise. Instead of telling stories, now the focus is on being able to say "hey, remember this?!" It's also way too focused on a specific time period and therefore a specific type of fan. | ||||||
72 | Yes | No | Sometimes | No | Yes | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | The Force Awakens- when we first see the Falcon or Rogue One where we see the plans get to Leia | When it forwards a new generation of stories it’s excellent, when it’s there to serve the “fanboys” it’s horrible. | |||||||
73 | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | No | Solo | The Rise of Skywalker | Seeing Bail Organa again in Rogue One, and his side-chat with Mon Mothma about Obi-Wan, and Leia. | None of it is so "bad" that it makes me cringe, but the sunset at the end of RotS seemed out of place to me considering it gets repeated again in ANH, the very next movie. | I think storytellers (and maybe the powers that be themselves) are stuck between forging ahead, untethered from what Star Wars has become, and satisfying part an audience that demands that Star Wars makes them feel like when they first were introduced to the saga | ||||||
74 | Yes | No | If a story is set in a specific universe/belongs to a specific franchise, occasional and preferably minor nostalgic elements are a plus provided they fit well within the story being told rather than have it revolve around them, in which case I’d rather not have any nostalgic elements at all. | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Luke becoming one with the Force while looking at the binary sunset - there was no need for the sunset in that scene, however, by adding it Johnson created a beautiful parallel to ANH and Luke’s call to the adventure as well as used an iconic SW image in its full glory. | Most of TRoS is a pointless collection of random nostalgic elements from SW that make no sense narratively in the film and are often forced and cringeworthy, but to give an example Luke raising his X-wing from water or Rey going to Lars homestead at the end of the film, assuming the Skywalker name and gazing into the binary sunset are probably the most outrageous ones. | It’s fun when it’s a minor element for most ardent fans to look for, or when it actually matches the context of the story and enriches it - awful when it’s its basis as it’s uncreative, lazy, boring and insulting to the audience’s intelligence. | |||||||
75 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Depends on the filmmaker | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | ObiWan telling Luke about the Clone Wars/Anakin (weird case of “future” nostalgia) | Luke lifting X-wing in TROS with weird almost 4th-wall breaking smile | Nostalgia is part of Star Wars. Prequels look to the past, the OT looks back (forward) to them and so on, but each trilogy handles it differently with varying degrees of “reverence”. I like it better personally when the nostalgia/past is examined more critically. | ||||||
76 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Luke in The Last Jedi looking at the sunset after he force projected himself to Crait | Rey at Tatooine in the end of The Rise of Skywalker | I think on a whole nostalgia should be avoided unless it can connect with the story and characters seamlessly. I feel nostalgia is a tool used by fan boys to try and push other fans out of the space. | ||||||
77 | No | Yes | Yes | Yes | Yes | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | Ahsoka fighting Maul in CW. I felt a strong sense of nostalgia from the first time Obi-Wan and Maul fought each other. That feeling of two apprentices, with the ones from the light side fighting to honor their masters. | Rey going to Tatooine in the end of TROS. That was TERRIBLE to begin to end. | Nowadays there are too many easter eggs without meaning, just to please fans. SW needs to find the balance between them and scenes with a strong sense of nostalgia. | ||||||
78 | Yes | Yes | No | Only if they aren’t entirely fan service and placed naturally | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Yoda meeting Luke in TLJ | Chewie getting a medal in TROS | I love a good homage to the originals but if we’re going to pay a homage to purely the OT it isn’t fair. I am sad we didn’t get more Anakin/Padmé. They created the stories we love and I hate we lost our chances with them. | ||||||
79 | Yes | No | Sometimes? I think it's kind of unavoidable in the current media landscape. | No | Yes | Rebels | The Rise of Skywalker | The end of ROTJ and its echo in TPM. | Many parts of TROS, but the most infuriating, tone-deaf example is Rey looking at the binary sunset. | I noticed a lot of headcanons around Rey, Finn, and Poe after TFA that didn't actually correlate with their characterizations, but with Luke, Leia, and Han. I'm not sure if this came from the fans or from Lucasfilm somehow. | ||||||
80 | In a way | Yes | Depends, occasionally | Yes | Yes | The Clone Wars TV Show | The Rise of Skywalker | Ahsoka's return in clone wars S7 along with Anakin and Rex, and most or Rouge one | several scenes in TROS, especially the death star scenes | |||||||
81 | Yes | Yes | Sometimes! | No | Yes | Rebels | The Force Awakens | Twin suns at the end of Luke’s journey in TLJ | Rey Palpatine reveal | I think that because SW was part of so many people’s childhoods, nostalgia will always have a place in SW media. I do feel that in any property this long-lived, you need to be actively engaging with and interrogating that feeling as well as making sure that you are WELCOMING new audiences in ways that are meaningful. Not everyone who has nostalgia for SW is a 50 year old white man who can name every ship on sight. Nostalgia is not recognition. SW is not a collection of gadgets and character names, planets and ships. It is the themes of SW that keep people coming back: of finding family and love, of hope in the face of adversity, of our choices and their consequences. Instead of revisiting the same character archetypes and plot beats in an effort to create recognition-based “nostalgia“, I hope that going forward, SW focuses more on engaging with its core themes in a meaningful way, and from the perspectives of all of the different groups who have seen themselves in SW, all of which will inspire genuine feelings of nostalgia. This is the way. :) | ||||||
82 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Leia and Luke talking on Crait (like in Rotj) | When Palpatine repeated the line from many prequel memes in TROS about the dark side | I think it’s fine. If the film or tv show is meta textually making a commentary of it. I think TLJ handled it best because Luke was once again reminding the audience about the Jedi’s failure. I don’t think it works in TROS because it’s simply about the Jedi being Good, Pure, heroes. Sigh. We’ll get em next time... hopefully. I like nostalgia when it serves the story. Not when it’s “remember this???? Remember this!!??” | ||||||
83 | I think old ideas are being recycled for younger audiences. I don't think I can blame this exclusively on nostalgia. | Yes | No | No | No | The Clone Wars TV Show | The Rise of Skywalker | In Rogue One, the look and feel of the Death Star, Star Destroyers, Yavin Base, costuming and set design was as close to perfect as anyone could wish for. | "Somehow, Palpatine has returned." | Lending to your podcast discussion, I think that creators give fan service to placate an expectant audience, whereas callbacks are given to delight an unexpectant audience. In my own opinion fan service should be chased to the bowels of hell, but again it's our own biases that determine which is which. Thanks Skytalkers! | ||||||
84 | Yes | Yes | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | r2 convincing luke to help rey in tlj | when luke lifted the x wing | |||||||
85 | Yes | Yes | No | In some cases, perhaps? | Yes | Rogue One | The Rise of Skywalker | The Millennium Falcon reveal when Rey and Finn turn around and run towards it, from The Force Awakens. | About two hours and eighteen minutes out of the runtime of The Rise of Skywalker. | I believe it is apart of the DNA of Star Wars, because honestly even George was leaning hard on nostalgia in all that he borrowed for A New Hope. And Rian is one film maker which remained true to this style of film making by drawing on films like 12 o'Clock High for the bombers. Unfortunately most of the movie going public of today probably didn't even know what that reference, unless they were unfortunate enough to be sitting next to me in the theater at the time the movie was released. Film makers, well George in particular, pulled from established sources - should add Favraeu and Filoni as well - but it seems most modern Star Wars film makers draw on previous Star Wars. I feel like this is a disservice to film making as a whole, and doesn't allow for anything new to be discovered. | ||||||
86 | Yes and no: nostalgia is merely a consequence of cultural staples that change far more quickly than they ever did, at any given moment, and the blockbuster state of current cinema has found ways to capitalize on it. | Reboots/remakes are nothing new (the Golden Era of Hollywood would remake certain movies sometimes (i.e. Philadelphia Story and High Society, A Star Is Born in 1937 and 1954)). The difference is that we didn't have access to media back then as we do today, so doing remakes that were an improvement on the previous one on several technical levels was acceptable. However, as explained higher, we are in a culture that changes at any given moment, and where the big staples of the past (giving occidental examples because that's I know, namely the great popularity of Arthurian legends or Greek mythology in the 19th century) don't stay for as many decades as they used to. Due to many elements such as the creation of copyright, cinema, the radio and television becoming omnipresent and fanfic becoming a thing, people aren't as much as liberty as they used to be with cultural staples (I mean, let's be real, Tennyson would have no idea what you'd be talking about if you told him his poetry was fanfic, even if he'd written today, it probably would be classified as such). That kind of leads people to have a different approach to media, where there's a sort of gatekeeping rather than a will to retell the story from a different perspective. | For me to seek it, it has to be an improvement from something that already existed. If it isn't, I don't bother. If it's bad, I don't see the point of crying that it ruined my childhood because the stuff I loved as a kid is still there, untouched. | It can be fun, but if it overruns the story, it kind of proves you don't have a whole lot of ideas and pleasing people with an overload of homages will make it all stick. | Depends on the film/TV show/book. | Rebels | The Rise of Skywalker | I voted for Rebels considering it did the best job of capturing the feel of the OT while not being overboard with it and while providing an original story, but Rogue One is second best and provided the best nostalgia feel to me overall - it made me see A New Hope differently, but in a good way. | The Rise of Skywalker in its entirety, especially with the Luke/Leia worship that in my opinion wasn't really even in the OT, since they were both pretty much on the same level as the audience despite the high stakes surrounding them. I overall felt (among many, many, MANY other issues) that the attempts to nostalgia and making me feel "something" were manipulative, and that it even overrode proper ways of telling the story and making it coherent. ("Oh, Chewie won a medal! Because he didn't in ANH! Who cares!" or "Hey, Leia is a Jedi now! Because that will fix all the issues women face in the world right now! TELL ME YOU GIVE A DAMN! IF YOU DON'T, YOU HATE WOMEN! (- said a man, probably)" | I don't think nostalgia when it comes to Star Wars is entirely bad - Rogue One did it well, Solo did it well, Rebels did it well, The Last Jedi did it well despite the fanboy doth protest too much. It should never, ever overrun a story as it is just ornamental and filmmakers should be in no way forced to fulfill certain nostalgia-driven criteria (i.e. AHSOKA CAMEO AT ALL COSTS OR ELSE REDDIT WILL GO MAD) | ||||||
87 | Yes | Yes | No | Sometimes easter eggs can be fun, but I don't want them to detract from the story. I also believe that nostalgic elements can be used if they're just part of the universe that has been created and they belong there. I DON'T want things shoehorned into a story that don't make sense. | Yes | The Mandalorian | The Rise of Skywalker | Luke's part of the story in the Battlefront II game. Maul's last fight with Ben Kenobi in Rebels. Maul appearing again in Solo. Vader's arrival in Rogue One. I loved seeing Wedge Antilles again in TROS, but that's the only part of that battle I cared about. | Palpatine's return because it makes Anakin's sacrifice at the end of ROTJ pointless and makes The Chosen One prophecy a joke. Dead Jedi speaking to Rey because that's literally not how the Force works. Rey becoming "all" of the Jedi because I still don't even know what that means. Giving Rey the Skywalker name. Rey burying the lightsabers on Tatooine. Lando's return in TROS. etc... | While The Mandalorian touches on some PT content, I would love to see more Prequels nostalgia. TROS completely ignored a third of its nine-movie saga. And what little reference they did make didn't make any sense. Most of the audience didn't know or care who all the Jedi even were when they spoke to Rey. | ||||||
88 | Yes | I don't think it is always a component, but even when creating "completely original" ideas probably lots of creators can't help but draw from stories that were meaningful to them growing up, whether actual story details or themes. | No | Homages are important to the story if they tie up the themes of the work; Easter Eggs are purely for fun and should be under the radar to be effective I think. | I think it clouded the story of The Rise of Skywalker for sure, but I thought projects like The Mandalorian have struck a good balance between new ideas and sprinkling in nostalgia when it might make an impact on the audience. In the same way, although I enjoy the Marvel main comic run, it is largely banking on nostalgia in a very familiar and comfortable time period while introducing new stories and characters. I think Star Wars is doing a pretty ok job of breaking away from nostalgia (with films like The Last Jedi and hopefully the new High Republic era material), but there is still a pendulum swing of creators and executives feeling more comfortable in nostalgia since it is obviously marketable. | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | In The Last Jedi, when R2D2 played Leia's "you're my only hope" message to Luke when he needed the encouragement. | In The Rise of Skywalker, when Maz hands Chewie the medal from A New Hope (I understand this was Han's medal that Leia was carrying so it could be meaningful, but the movie did not flesh that out at all so I rolled my eyes) Also having the end scene on at the place of tragedy for the Skywalkers, the Lars Homestead, and copy-pasting Luke's "call to adventure" with the twin suns onto Rey. I've come a long way trying to appreciate the ending for what it is, but it certainly annoyed me back in theaters (and a little now haha). | This is such a hard topic. For lots of folks such as myself, we love what Star Wars WAS, and that nostalgia brings back those great moments. But we also love what Star Wars WILL BE or MIGHT BE in the future, and those new, exciting stories are not going to be told if creators can't let go of the familiar and safe. | ||||||
89 | I think a lack of understanding of nostalgia clouds it. i.e., not understanding what people really want when they feel nostalgic. Good nostalgia is hard to pull off. | Yes, but I may define 'nostalgia' a bit differently from others. I feel that the stories we consume as we grow up form the basis of our imagination - to paraphrase Wuthering Heights, we 'dream in our lives dreams that stay with us forever... and go through and through us, like wine through water, and alter the colour of our minds'. | Yes | Easter Eggs and homages, no. Understanding the heart of the franchise, yes. | I don't think it's the nostalgia itself that's clouding them. It didn't cloud Rogue One, one of the most 'nostalgic' of the current crop of SW films, but simultaneously one of the most interesting. To be honest, when it comes to the failures, I wouldn't call it nostalgia as they don't seem to love what they had in their hands. I'd call it empty referentiality. Simultaneously cynical and clueless. | The Clone Wars TV Show | The Rise of Skywalker | Most recently, the ending of The Clone Wars series. It made good use of the history of the series itself. | Everything in Rise of Skywalker, truthfully. I've never seen something that overexplains even its own references like this. | There's no escaping it, and it's not the real enemy. This franchise has been around for 40 years, and the love accumulated over the decades is the reason TFA was received with such overwhelming love. I think people wanted something fresh made with the same ingredients we know and love - nostalgia is no excuse for lazy and unsatisfying storytelling, | ||||||
90 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Force Awakens | Rogue One | "The garbage will do" | Ponda Baba & Dr Evazan in Rogue One | It's time to move past the old as much as possible | ||||||
91 | Yes | Yes | If I'm honest, films with nostalgic elements are the only thing to actually get me to the threader, just because I am confident I will get an enjoyable experience. At the same time, I want to see new work and challenging media, but usually wait until there are more accessible forms to get it such as streaming services. | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | The first film of the Skywalker Saga I saw was The Force Awakens, and even though I disliked the Rise of Skywalker overall, I think it worked best when it used elements within the sequel trilogy to pull at your heartstrings. Specifically the Ben and Han scene, as soon as I heard Han's voice I started crying. When I watched the Rise of Skywalker, I still hadn't watched the original trilogy, so it wasn't specifically the character of Han that gave me that nostalgic feeling, it was the relationship between these two characters of TFA. It just felt so right to me. I was sobbing and silently applauding. | I think Luke raising his X-Wing, just because I knew who this part the film was made for. I think I only watched A New Hope before watching tros, I didn't care for Luke that much, so I just accepted that even though this moment really didn't have any bearing on the current characters whose journey's we are on, it's just something I need to sit through. | I think for me personally, it's an interesting experience because I'm at the age that the sequel trilogy and Rebels where my introduction to Star Wars. The first three Star Wars films I saw in chronological order were, The Force Awakens, Rogue One, and Solo. My introduction was based on references and things that came before, which tbh, put me off from Star Wars. Because I didn't want to do hours of homework researching this and why I should feel something at a certain moment. It's not until recently that I finished the sequel trilogy and Rebels(As well as everything else if I'm honest. Quarantine combined with Disney+ has allowed me to finish all the Skywalker Saga and Clone Wars.) Because I think people underestimate how much TFA relies on nostalgia to make you feel something or why certain choices they made. As someone who watched the film without any prior reference to Star Wars and then watched it after seeing the films that came before it, it was like a lightbulb that when off in my head like, "Oh THAT'S where that comes from!" Same with Rebels. It's a weird experience, having to watch media that gives you like these dramatic shots and musical hints that this is an important character, but I literally have no reference to it. I'm like, "Oh, ok...who are again? Why is the music suddenly swelling?" I think Rebels did it better than TFA, because I remember watching TFA for the first time and feeling kind of indifferent. I honestly didn't know what to think or do with it. Rebels was my first proper introduction to Star Wars, I was bored one summer and the only thing on TV was season 1 of Rebels. I mean, I'll admit I got giddy when I heard Freddie Prinze Jr. in tros. I didn't finish the rest of the seasons of Rebels until a few months ago, and even though its strongest asset where characters that stood on their own, as the series went on, I knew a lot of its content were a reference to things that came before, and though it is not necessarily a bad thing, but I do think people can underestimate how it can hinder the viewing experience for someone who didn't have a connection to prior. Same with Rogue One and Solo, I got an enjoyable experience at the moment when I was watching them, but I completely forgot what happened in them. I could not tell you what happened and forgot most of the characters. But after seeing everything that came before, It is memorable because I understand the nostalgic references made in the films. So yeah... having the newer star wars content be my entry point has made it... confusing, to say the least. It just feels very odd, having the things I'm invested in undercut by things I have not real connection to. Or even the things I want to see. Because even though I enjoyed clone wars and really got into its final season, in the back of my mind I'm like, "cool, but like, what about Ezra? I know where those characters go from here, but where are the NOW." It's like I'm a dog on a leash, I want to explore these places you've let me get a sniff of, but you keep pulling me back to a street we have been before. I liked the street we were on why do we have to go back? Because the things I gravitate to stand on their own and feel more impactful for me because I don't need to have that nostalgia to feel the emotion. I remember watching TLJ, and even though I didn't feel the emotion others would at the Luke storyline, the most impactful moments of the film are those with the new characters that don't rely on nostalgia and were built in the film. It's a weird experience, that I feel more, and more often I can't experience something fully because I don't have those nostalgic ties. I'm really starved of something that fully stands on its own, but I have no idea if that's something that can even be achieved, as it seems now that everything in Star Wars is connected in some way. I mean, I'll probably perpetuate the cycle of nostalgia because I do get genuine joy when I hear Kylo Ren and Rey's theme. I love Ezra, and WHERE IS MY SON!😩 ...They better give Rian Johnson his Star Wars trilogy or I SWEAR TO GOD- Anyways, sorry for the long answer, take only what you need. | ||||||
92 | Clouding, like, media as a whole? I don’t know, maybe. It feels more certain to say that chasing hypothetical audience nostalgia is too influential on deciding which major movies and TV shows are made | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | The Falcon diving into the crystal caverns on Crait, with the Here They Come music kicking in | Threepio revealing that the Pasaana festival of ancestor commemoration (so we’re staying just short of calling it worship) happened, uh, every 42 years. 1977, huh | Nostalgia doesn’t have to mean redundancy, and repeating something doesn’t inherently mean it’s being applied only for nostalgia—I feel like the lines between these things are sometimes blurrier than they’re made out to be. TLJ is full of examples that touch on that blurry line, but one I think of a lot is that the battle of Crait definitely has a nostalgic dimension with the walkers and the trenches and what have you, but it’s really not redundant, it’s not repeating the story significance and the emotional experience of the battle of Hoth. It’s possible I’d like the scene even more if the new walkers were more different from original-recipe AT-ATs, though, and it’s because (despite their comments in the Art Of book) I don’t necessarily trust that Johnson and the designers were authentically committed to that very similar design for the new walkers haha, I’m willing to believe they may have made a cynical calculation that they had to make the design less new in order to keep fans from objecting to the look as un-Star-Wars-y. That’s another side of the question of nostalgia in Star Wars which I think about a lot—how much are the creators limiting themselves to something more repetitive than they might otherwise want to do, because of their fear that fans will reject new things as improper and Not Star Wars-y. It’s obviously hard to tell! | ||||||
93 | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | Rogue One | The Rise of Skywalker | As someone who grew up with the prequels, seeing things like the turbo tank and Mustafar in Rogue One was great. It helped make the movie feel like a bridge between the two previous eras of Star Wars. | I think there are a lot of moments in The Rise of Skywalker that rely on empty nostalgia. Things like Rey going to Tatooine, the Imperial Star Destroyer Fleet, and Rey and Ben flying an X-Wing and TIE fighter, respectively, make for nice visuals, but really don’t contribute much to the story overall. It makes the movie feel like it caters only to the fans who grew up with the original trilogy, at the expense of anyone who came into Star Wars in later years. | I think there are times when it can be a good tool. There are plenty of instances where it can be used a springboard for a good or resonant thematic moment; but when the nostalgic imagery itself becomes the focus, that’s when it becomes a problem. | ||||||
94 | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | No | Solo | The Rise of Skywalker | |||||||||
95 | Yes | Yes | I’m more of a Yes and No. Sometimes familiar elements are what draw me in but I also am very wary of reboots. | Yes | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | In the Last Jedi, Luke seeing R2 again and seeing Leia’s message. (Sad but also effective for the story) | The whole of the Rise of Skywalker lol but specifically Luke raising the X Wing and the ending with “Rey Skywalker.” | I think nostalgia is an important element for Star Wars but the balancing act needs to be improved. I think The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi did it well, but Nostalgia clouded The Rise of Skywalker. The thing is, is that it was clouded by JJ and Chris Terrio’s nostalgia and what they find most appealing in Star Wars, which is fine. Filmmakers should bring their personal experiences into their art but to me they did it in a way that excluded people who didn’t share their perspective. You can show your personal feelings without alienating the rest of your audience. | ||||||
96 | Yes | Yes | Yes | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | Solo | I am sure others will mention this, but Luke's conversation with Yoda in The Last Jedi may be the most effective use of nostalgia not just in Star Wars but in all of film. | The way Han gets the name Solo in Solo, lots of things in Solo. Solo is fascinating because I think it's about Lawrence Kasdan being nostalgic for his youth and the feelings he had writing Empire and how much Han resonated with him even though he didn't create the character. | I am not the first to say this but all non OT Star Wars movies and shows are at some level about Star Wars. It's a very postmodern phenomenon. I sympathize with all the creators (including Lucas) who have to struggle with the overwhelming amount of nostalgia Star Wars fans have. You're trying to engage and entertain someone who's happiest memory is when they were seven and they watched Luke Skywalker blow up the Death Star. It's an almost impossible task. | ||||||
97 | Yes | It is the sense that all basic stories are ancient and that every creator brings theirs influences consciously or unconsciously to their work, but not everything need to be a reference to something else. That constant callbacking was one of the bad, among many, things about TROS | Sometimes, but I prefer something newer. If I want to watch Poltergeist I will watch the 1982 version. A true retelling needs to have its own soul, like Burton and Nolan's different takes on Batman, how The Untouchables reimagined a TV series into something pretty extraordinary. | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Han saying to Chewie on the MF in TFA, "We're home." | Luke raising his X-wing with even the same finger positioning as Yoda. "Rey Skywalker". Making Leia be a Jedi to satisfy the Legends crowd, but in actuality completely dismissing Leia's powerful role as a leader and Rebel, and making Leia the worst mother of all time and making Rey her vessel. Having Rey and Kylo fight every minute like they were Luke and Vader. Having Ben die like Vader, though they had little in common, basically making redemption equal death and no hope for the redeemed dark sider. Those Ewoks looking up. So much terrible nostalgia in TROS. | That between 2015 and 2018 LF released four movies that were innovative, strong and were moving the franchise forward in fantastic and brave ways, especially compared to many other franchise that play it safe, but that sometime in 2018-2019 the Old School crowd/mindset that wants to stay suspended in time in some Legend book took over power at LF and made a movie for a worst kind of hating fan, a movie that actually spit on the trilogy that it was in. I will never understand their choices. It all seemed petty, jealous, scared, entitled and cynical. | ||||||
98 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | Yoda and Luke scene in TLJ | So much of TROS... Rey in Luke’s ship was particularly embarrassing and painful, Luke lifting it out of the water with a smug look on his face was cringeworthy | It’s so clear that the creative team are nostalgic, but not even for all of Star Wars—just the original trilogy. There’s no depth, especially with the mysticism of the Force or the idea of people building their own fates. I wonder sometimes if I am actually a SW fan at all or if I just really loved the themes explored in TLJ, because when I look at the new media I realise that I hate so much of what it stands for. | ||||||
99 | Yes | No | No | No | Yes | Revenge of the Sith | The Rise of Skywalker | Binary sunset callback in Revenge of the Sith. While ROTS is overall pretty grim and depressing, that scene captured the very essence of Star Wars and the original feeling of hope/seeing beyond your present/wishing for a future of possibilities that George Lucas wanted to convey in ANH. | Binary sunset callback in The Rise of Skywalker. Extremely cheap. Not only it was badly filmed/written/looks like bad Photoshop, but it encapsulates contemporary mass media and their approach to storytelling; it cannibalizes cultural icons (binary sunset can be considered one) for the sake of product advertising (Rey adopts the name Skywalker just for the "anyone can be a Skywalker! come to Galaxy's Edge asap!") | |||||||
100 | Yes | Yes | I stopped going to the Disney remakes after Cinderella. They seem like such obvious cash grabs. But I do love movies that I'm nostalgic for, and I was a fan of Toy Story 4 and Frozen 2. So it's...complicated. | No | Yes | The Last Jedi | The Rise of Skywalker | This is funny because I had only watched the OT for the first time two days before. But when Han Solo walked onto the Millennium Falcon with Chewie in TFA...chills. | All of TROS lmbo. But specifically the final sequence on Tatooine, C-3PO's "death," and the manner in which they brought back Palps which felt very contrived. | It's a tool that shouldn't be overused. The moment it becomes a priority over the story and characters, that's when you know you've strayed too far and need to take a good look at what you're creating. TROS is the perfect example of something that overused and misused nostalgia. They put nostalgia over story and it broke the myth (to quote What the Force). |