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2021-01-07 13:59:56.3 PSTErnest PrabhakarThank you.
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2021-01-07 13:59:59.7 PSTErnest BruceHello.
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2021-01-07 14:00:04.5 PSTErnest BruceAre you there?
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2021-01-07 14:00:19.2 PSTErnest PrabhakarHello, Ernest. Happy 2021.
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2021-01-07 14:00:20.1 PSTErnest BruceHello.
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2021-01-07 14:00:26.1 PSTErnest BruceWell that's kinda backwards you have to be, well good yes sir, do you know wishing to bill? Happy new year? Yeah, I guess, okay, that'd be happy 2021.
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2021-01-07 14:00:36.6 PSTErnest PrabhakarOkay, good. Yes this is our first episode menu you after, I don't know, thirty so now besides.
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2021-01-07 14:00:47.4 PSTErnest Prabhakar2020, five phones the last year.
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2021-01-07 14:00:54.0 PSTErnest PrabhakarOh, and talking three weeks so it's been quite a while. How are you doing?
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2021-01-07 14:00:58.5 PSTErnest BruceMm-hmm.
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2021-01-07 14:01:00.9 PSTErnest BruceI'm doing better lesson. Yeah, there was some issues. I have a friend to hospital and the last time we decided not to have Christmas because, you know he's always Mattek.
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2021-01-07 14:01:18.0 PSTErnest PrabhakarIt was literally on Christmas eve and new year's eve which yeah, I was busy, what I appreciate it, the break, thank you. Did you was traumatic for you?
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2021-01-07 14:01:28.5 PSTErnest BruceNo, the lesson, but I didn't do it, you know not having.
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2021-01-07 14:01:36.3 PSTErnest BruceCalling you know, this what if, I mean it's call have it has things you know around it before that after that you had to be fair, that takes like an hour and a half essentially. Right.
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2021-01-07 14:01:46.8 PSTErnest PrabhakarYeah.
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2021-01-07 14:01:51.9 PSTErnest BruceYeah, but I use the time to clear my head to other things. Yeah. Yes.
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2021-01-07 14:01:56.4 PSTErnest PrabhakarMm-hmm.
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2021-01-07 14:02:04.2 PSTErnest PrabhakarAlright. So last time we left with an appiphony. We realize if you're working for generations and this isn't a start up, this is an art project.
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2021-01-07 14:02:08.1 PSTErnest BruceMm-hmm.
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2021-01-07 14:02:15.3 PSTErnest BruceYes, and I agree.
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2021-01-07 14:02:16.8 PSTErnest PrabhakarHave you thought about that since then?
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2021-01-07 14:02:20.1 PSTErnest BruceYeah, but in, in, I decided to not only right about it but also to the you know implement something that people can play with and especially young people has to be. It has to be okay, people like older people that are retired. But I still curious you know the take six. How many people, so those people that you know they don't want to be bored maybe, maybe there are people that are looking for jobs and the experience you know a ADS so in, in the, in older people we have that the notice space in younger people we have the what's happening now? You know the ticket dig docs and things like that the that model of and using person.
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2021-01-07 14:03:12.0 PSTErnest PrabhakarOkay.
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2021-01-07 14:03:18.9 PSTErnest BruceBrand, right. This, the Sarah, yeah, that comedian that come out of there and all the you know we've seen. Yeah, exactly.
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2021-01-07 14:03:22.2 PSTErnest PrabhakarOkay.
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2021-01-07 14:03:28.8 PSTErnest PrabhakarBut there is one services the general term for them, right? People who know the following on a, on a particular media and then figure out how to monetize it and build a, a lifestyle or business.
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2021-01-07 14:03:41.7 PSTErnest BruceYeah, so if you.
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2021-01-07 14:03:46.5 PSTErnest BruceYeah, I'm open you know that Greta right? Convert to sir, total movement and she is absolutely I'll send thinking genuine and she's not just the business is changing well you send you know the way we look at or and the environment and manatee in our future yes, people think.
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2021-01-07 14:04:09.9 PSTErnest BruceOr you know, businesses my big or use resources as if they were never ending, right, and that's how it works but you have to be more diligent that because essentially those resources will run out and then you do so you see is helping us think with our eyes in the future, on the future that goes with what we see today. And that's the that's one main thing that she was that was great so nice on dates, you know, change Natty all again and she's inspirational. So, you know, some people can embody a whole lot of attribute that the.
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2021-01-07 14:04:26.4 PSTErnest PrabhakarMm-hmm.
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2021-01-07 14:04:54.9 PSTErnest BruceYou know, kind of helps humanity, they can be used for good indication, Greta and, and know the people well but then there a, the bad, yeah.
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2021-01-07 14:05:02.4 PSTErnest PrabhakarAlright, so, I know for.
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2021-01-07 14:05:06.8 PSTErnest PrabhakarSure, I mean, I don't want this to be a lecture on the influencer calling me. I want to hear what you practically are doing.
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2021-01-07 14:05:07.5 PSTErnest BruceWell, right.
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2021-01-07 14:05:14.1 PSTErnest BruceWhat? Well I'm settling on.
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2021-01-07 14:05:21.9 PSTErnest BruceProdigy help, you know what am I gonna does. So, so that in the future, because this is you know, not gonna happen.
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2021-01-07 14:05:36.8 PSTErnest BruceIn years even happening generations because people find it hard, we imagine this.
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2021-01-07 14:05:47.7 PSTErnest BruceAnd, and those are most people, most people are used to capitalism and, and high works. Most people are used to like our devices, right? So we have awesome that our phones that you know run software. That somebody that an eighteen year old road with no experience in writing software. Therefore, the app, the app you know, crashes or does the right thing, you know, companies.
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2021-01-07 14:06:23.7 PSTErnest BruceYeah, have you a teams and things like that but sometimes it seems that they don't QA the entire thing. They QA their little components but companies do very little systematic QA or comprehensive way, like, at 730.
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2021-01-07 14:06:27.6 PSTErnest PrabhakarHere.
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2021-01-07 14:06:40.2 PSTErnest PrabhakarGo deeper than that. Is it the entire computer architecture stack is based on a really broken separation of concerns?
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2021-01-07 14:06:50.1 PSTErnest BruceMm-hmm.
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2021-01-07 14:06:51.0 PSTErnest PrabhakarIs that we deliberately create these obstructions. Did we more for like let me instructions 61 cycle to execute which is best for you on true. And then we have all these games we play cause basically every layer of the stack live about what's going on. And then we play games to try to figure out other people's lives. So that a real dang against proprietary architecture is that we have these interfaces. You know. Actually six API else you know, Maaco a Unix projects and all these interfaces are based on a series of why are we supposed to take more generally broken obstruction, so when you're working at a single layer of the obstruction, you don't know.
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2021-01-07 14:07:35.4 PSTErnest PrabhakarAll the live that are going on and meet you. And so it is impossible, yes, it was weird state but I've discovered in my own system that I build where fixing one thing break something else because there's all these Susan assumptions, there's someone there until like, it really to mainly impossible, you know, even an open-source software. Where everything's theoretically open to actually because if you tried to fix everything, you never get anything done because everything is always a little bit broken by design and that you know, that's a long-term project of mine is to like fix everything. But the point is, is I think this will actually important points that I think you need to tackle. Head of like, capitalism has also to preferred incentive, no question about. Right. So just pretty much everything else.
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2021-01-07 14:07:49.5 PSTErnest BruceMm-hmm.
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2021-01-07 14:08:28.2 PSTErnest PrabhakarAnd so, the question is can you build something that is resilient against human perverse.
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2021-01-07 14:08:36.3 PSTErnest BruceHi, this is a what?
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2021-01-07 14:08:36.6 PSTErnest PrabhakarBecause if you say, well can you build something that is resilient against human perversity because if you say well you know, if there was as well as the perfect world and everyone will be nice and pretty chill. They're generously and give you the benefit. Rational decisions. Like, and I'm in my system will work great, it's like, okay, probably doesn't work right, if that was true.
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2021-01-07 14:08:54.3 PSTErnest BruceOkay.
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2021-01-07 14:09:01.8 PSTErnest PrabhakarAnd giving back you have to do things as they are. You have to either you said, let me say this is why I think this is more of a sectional narrative art project and a logical as positive art project you have to show. Did you understand something profound about human nature more deeply been, Carl Marston, Adam Smith.
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2021-01-07 14:09:28.2 PSTErnest PrabhakarI've seen that hard because they had very very simplistic models of human nature. But the funny thing is they actually chapter and several very profound truth, what's allow the system to built upon them to function remarkably well for decades at a time.
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2021-01-07 14:09:46.8 PSTErnest PrabhakarAnd you have to show that you have an insight into human nature was like, okay, I know people are like that in this context but we really can't credit card that's what people will be different and do you have to come up with a convincing narrative. The people, hey, Amy, this couple of failure modes here, what I'll do is Huxley, yes, if we just be prepared, everyone could have brave new world then everyone will be perfect like, okay, at least you're honest about what it would take. The most robust have to say, I don't want that world, right? So you have to, you have to create a world but people find compelling. Okay, first of all, when I'm certainly the has to find that Clausell.
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2021-01-07 14:10:29.4 PSTErnest PrabhakarAnd both of those are really hard, right? You, cause you're.
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2021-01-07 14:10:32.7 PSTErnest BruceYeah. Well is it you would depend on who you're targeting.
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2021-01-07 14:10:36.0 PSTErnest PrabhakarOkay.
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2021-01-07 14:10:38.4 PSTErnest PrabhakarNo, no, it's hard anyway, because you have so much competition. There so many fantasy world, so many people selling so many different things and people are board and jaded. But yes.
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2021-01-07 14:10:39.3 PSTErnest BruceRight.
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2021-01-07 14:10:52.2 PSTErnest PrabhakarAnd if he wants to just capture a tiny niche. Sure, okay, but if we're trying to actually be sustained impact you have to make something that's actually what I'm asking if you right away but I think that's the goal you have to create something that is compelling whereas like if this is what people say wow, I don't know if it's possible but it would be nice if the world work that way. I see something that I really like, okay, but then secondly, you have to make it possible you have to say, okay, I could see that cause we, we're you know people say well okay but you know, I can see how moments human beings could live in a society like that without one after turning the whole thing down you know, just on our way, right.
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2021-01-07 14:11:16.5 PSTErnest BruceMm-hmm.
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2021-01-07 14:11:33.3 PSTErnest BruceMm-hmm.
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2021-01-07 14:11:36.5 PSTErnest PrabhakarAnd then the first thing which is harder and that you can leave for the next generation. If you can pull up the first to make it a cheerful say how do we get here from there? Interesting lie. There's my friend Neil Steven sent again wrote a book and them about an alternate or which is more highly of all at once.
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2021-01-07 14:11:54.6 PSTErnest PrabhakarAnd he made a credible picture where the world still has all of its problems has problem but there is an interesting there they seem somehow more and lightning than we are and they resolve their problems any contractors with another well, the costs of all, but ours which is even worse problems and like I said you have a progression that you can move forward. And it's like okay, I can kind of see how road like that with the right interventions here in there. Could have all that way and that's kind of cool to pull that. All the perfect what it's better than the one we have. I can imagine how we might just, I can see here that there's not ours is with different with different origin story would basically the same thing being with a different word. Sorry, they ended up in a better place and that's kind of the trick. I think you need to be able to pull off. It's to say okay, it has and there's the tension because the more compelling it is usually the last possible it is.
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2021-01-07 14:12:03.3 PSTErnest BruceMm-hmm.
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2021-01-07 14:12:47.1 PSTErnest BruceOkay. Yeah, that, yeah.
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2021-01-07 14:12:47.4 PSTErnest PrabhakarAnd you know we, I think I think they're struggling with compelling this right now. I mean this will buggy software is not a great rallying cry.
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2021-01-07 14:12:57.9 PSTErnest BruceOh, no, it will, it, I need to pick a bunch of them, you know, a bunch of little stuff like I think I put on.
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2021-01-07 14:13:02.4 PSTErnest PrabhakarNo, actually, I honestly no, no, you don't need to pick one signature thing, because you have to, and, and the, and the reason for this is very simple, it could be wrong.
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2021-01-07 14:13:06.3 PSTErnest BruceNo.
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2021-01-07 14:13:09.3 PSTErnest BruceBut.
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2021-01-07 14:13:15.0 PSTErnest PrabhakarAnd if you have a bunch of little things, and unless you gonna magically white and everyone loves the first time, you're gonna have to iterate over and over and over again.
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2021-01-07 14:13:24.9 PSTErnest BruceWell, that's what we do anyway.
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2021-01-07 14:13:25.2 PSTErnest PrabhakarYou just say, okay, what is the?
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2021-01-07 14:13:27.6 PSTErnest PrabhakarWell you should do it but then if you learn anything if you put if I variables you burial 25 of them something like figure out this is the assignment I would think that would be most useful. It's just don't worry about possibly about compelling in this world you want to create. What is the one thing that people saw that they said wow the and, and it can be you have to be a like a single thing that exist now. You can say, well if I think these three things that exist now combine them was this for saying that exist, it doesn't exist, I mean but then that becomes a best thing.
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2021-01-07 14:13:28.5 PSTErnest BruceYeah.
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2021-01-07 14:13:48.9 PSTErnest BruceOkay.
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2021-01-07 14:13:54.9 PSTErnest BruceMm-hmm.
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2021-01-07 14:14:06.6 PSTErnest PrabhakarYou just have to leave it as one thing and say this is the thing. Cause I mean, you know, just for processing a thousand. The new thing has to be 352 times better than the old thing for people to take it. Seriously, if it's a fifty percent better people will stick with the whole thing with the switching costs are too high, you'll never get past year.
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2021-01-07 14:14:24.9 PSTErnest BruceWhen you say people, yeah, we, you people in this case or the decision makers of people with the money.
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2021-01-07 14:14:33.0 PSTErnest PrabhakarWell.
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2021-01-07 14:14:35.3 PSTErnest PrabhakarI don't think we're going to those people to generation ago to dinner forgot about them. Right I'm talking about when you, first of all, okay, then there's the other thing is who's your beach beachhead market. Who is I mean and also be more brutal than that pick one person be needed to be somebody else. You say this one person I need to explain to them what they was here and say, wow that's cool and they would be willing to tell someone else. Cause if you don't get that one person nothing else matters. If you cannot show an idea to one person and have them willing to tell somebody else.
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2021-01-07 14:15:11.4 PSTErnest PrabhakarThen your screen and you should probably different people to find one person but you have to find the least one person if you talked to ten people and none of them like the idea. You're probably better off finding a new idea.
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2021-01-07 14:15:19.5 PSTErnest BruceYeah.
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2021-01-07 14:15:24.3 PSTErnest BruceMm-hmm.
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2021-01-07 14:15:25.8 PSTErnest PrabhakarWe've been doing this for two years, I love you, I love your heart. I have no clue what you're actually doing anything interest.
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2021-01-07 14:15:35.1 PSTErnest BruceAlright.
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2021-01-07 14:15:35.4 PSTErnest PrabhakarRight, or do you just have a bundle of grievances?
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2021-01-07 14:15:38.7 PSTErnest BruceOh, that, that's true and, and I want to solve them all I want to solve I want you know even though, yeah.
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2021-01-07 14:15:42.0 PSTErnest PrabhakarRight, and so.
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2021-01-07 14:15:45.0 PSTErnest PrabhakarSo, yes, yes sir. This is all. Do you want to solve them all? But okay, what this way you know, you don't want all of us to work with you to solve all you don't have to sit there by yourself calling obscurity and I placed to solve them all on your own, right.
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2021-01-07 14:16:05.1 PSTErnest BruceYeah, my own season.
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2021-01-07 14:16:10.2 PSTErnest PrabhakarYeah, so you want to.
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2021-01-07 14:16:11.1 PSTErnest BruceWhat it would take a long time.
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2021-01-07 14:16:13.8 PSTErnest PrabhakarYeah, you wanna find something bigger. So and this that like and this is the problem it was just you, yeah, if you just wanted to will be your own image write universal gate all the software and populate able to keep it the way you like what's actual human beings can you have to you this right away but this is the thing you have to do first is figure out how are typically your idea way that there is something that is compelling.
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2021-01-07 14:16:32.1 PSTErnest BruceMm-hmm.
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2021-01-07 14:16:45.6 PSTErnest PrabhakarThe, did you can show that to somebody and they would say, oh, okay, that's what you, man, that would be cool if you could pull it on.
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2021-01-07 14:16:45.9 PSTErnest BruceYeah, I can, I'll cup.
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2021-01-07 14:16:55.5 PSTErnest BruceYeah.
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2021-01-07 14:16:56.4 PSTErnest PrabhakarAnd then and here's another words to think about.
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2021-01-07 14:17:03.6 PSTErnest PrabhakarOne of level.