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5:13TITLE: We Got LawyeredHigh on the 7 | Waking Up... Together | 0:05:00

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All stories subject to change before showtimeGUEST: Tony Hannides
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SEGMENT GUEST: Matt Macari
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EWelcome to All About Android, Episode 74, recorded on Tuesday, August 28th, 2012. Your weekly source for the latest news, hardware and apps for the Android faithful.

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I'm Eileen Rivera --- I'm Jason Howell --- and I'm Ron RichardsTimes for segments

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Intro0:05:00

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This week, we'll be discussing w/ Matt Macari the Samsung v. Apple patent case, the upcoming Amazon announcement in a few weeks, leaked Note 2 specs, and we have a reallly fun arena at the end of the show!Ready NewsNews0:05:00

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Introduce guestsHardware0:05:00

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Nexus 7 on Google Homepagehttp://google.com

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5:18PATENTS: with Matt MacariLinksVIDEO0:15:00Apps0:05:00

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JHYep: Samsung loses to AppleSEGMENT GUEST: Matt MacariAD0:05:00

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Apple wins software and design patent judgements against most Samsung devices in trial over iPhone and iPad [1]http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/08/25/the-apple-vs-samsung-verdict-heres-means/Android Arena0:05:00

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Jury in Apple v. Samsung Goofed, Damages Reduced -- Uh Oh. What's Wrong With this Picture? [2]http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012082510525390

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Apple-Samsung juror speaks outhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57500358-37/exclusive-apple-samsung-juror-speaks-out/

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The infringing deviceshttp://reviews.cnet.com/2300-6452_7-10013506.htmlPICS

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The next step in Apple vs. Samsung: injunction hearing on September 20thhttp://www.theverge.com/2012/8/24/3266719/apple-vs-samsung-preliminary-injunction-hearing

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Will Apple now sue Google?http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/08/25/will-apple-now-sue-google/

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Apple identifies which Samsung products it will try to ban in US [3]http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/27/3272154/apple-identifies-samsung-products-injunction-after-verdict

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Great piece by Andy Inhatko: Near-total victory for Apple stifles phone, tablet design [4]http://www.suntimes.com/technology/ihnatko/14711784-452/near-total-victory-for-apple-stifles-phone-tablet-design.html

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- Groklaw is calling for a retrial, especially considering a number of contradictions in the Jury's ruling, such as awarding damages for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE, while simultaneously ruling that the tablet actually didn't infringe at all.

- Jury said they stopped looking at prior art cause it was slowing things down. This smacks to me of not following the rules of a jury. Am I wrong?
- Is this ruling good or bad for innovation on Android?

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As an attorney and technology fan, I found the verdict on Friday very interesting. I won’t get into the legal issues and I am not really concerned about how this will effect Samsung’s bottom line. I am interested in what this means for Android phones going forward. And I think the answer is: almost nothing.

1. Most of the issues have either been worked around already, or will be.
2. OEM’s will not pass any additional expense on to the customers in this competitive market.
3. Google’s development of Android and OEM’s implementation won’t be hampered because even if they HAD relied on iOS sensibilities as a springboard (the way Apple did with Palm, etc) they have already moved well past that and into their own territory.
4. Any banning of particular phones or tablets will be of little consequence given the iteration cycles for Android.

Matias Duarte and crew have shown that they don’t need Apple’s creative team to spoon feed them, we are now at the point where Apple is “borrowing” innovations from the Android team as often as the other way around. If anything, all Apple did was ensure that Android and its OEM’s will innovate and iterate even faster, something that is already a problem for iOS.

Bottom line: Apple won a bunch of money (something they didn’t need) as compensation for a battle that has already been fought, with little or no impact on the battles to come.

Vance McAllister

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RRApple and Motorola Hit it Off in Germany, Agree to Licencing Dealhttp://www.droid-life.com/2012/08/28/apple-and-motorola-hit-it-off-in-germany-agree-to-licencing-deal/

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Meanwhile, Motorola and Apple struck deal in Germany that has Motorola licensing some of its standards essential patents relating to "cellular standard-essential" patents to Apple. Apple also agreed to admitting liability in past damages related to the patents. Ahhhh. It's not all a loss for Android.

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5:33Email0:05:00

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ERHey AAA crew,
I e-mailed you guys about this a couple months ago, but I think my e-mail got lost in the multitude of e-mails you were getting at the time.

I have a theory about upcoming Jelly Bean updates and why they shouldn't take as long as ICS did. If you think about android development, Android saw a TON of changes from 1.6 to 2.3 gingerbread. So much so, that updating phones was less a matter of updating their firmware but more of reinventing the wheel. Never was this more true than the jump from gingerbread to ICS. ICS was basically a phone optimized version of Honeycomb, not an updated form of Gingerbread. ICS really required a LOT of re-coding. Jelly Bean on the other hand is more of a traditional update. An improvement on the already solid ICS code base. There's much more familiarity between these two versions than there was with past versions. I believe this is why we are seeing leaks of Jelly Bean updates from Samsung, a notoriously slow updater, much quicker than we ever saw them for previous versions of Android. So long as Google stays faithful to this new code base with future updates, I believe we can look forward to shorter update times from manufacturers from here on out. What do you guys think?
-reiththestud
I think we've talked about this in the past, and yes I do believe updates will arrive faster from here on out. -E

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Ready Hardware

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5:38Hardware (3 top stories)LinksVIDEO0:10:00

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JHLG Optimus G Officially Announced: 4.7-Inch Screen, S4 Processor, 2GB RAM, Brings The Sexy Backhttp://phandroid.com/2012/08/28/lg-optimus-g-officially-announced-4-7-inch-screen-s4-processor-2gb-ram-brings-the-sexy-back/

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1.5GHz Snapdragon S4 Pro APQ8064, display features LG's fully integrated touch technology for a thinner screen and bezel. True HD (1280 x 768) IPS LCD, LG claims when it's turned off the 3mm bezel and body of the phone match the screen2GB of RAM, a 13MP rear camera, 1.3MP front camera and 2,100mAh battery, 8mm thick.

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RRAmazon throwing press conference September 6thhttp://www.lazytechguys.com/news/amazon-sends-out-press-invites-for-an-event-on-september-6th/

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Another announcement: Motorola Announces September 5th Event With Verizon, The RAZR HD Is Probably, Finally Upon Ushttp://www.androidpolice.com/2012/08/17/motorola-announces-september-5th-event-with-verizon-the-razr-hd-is-probably-finally-upon-us/

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Motorola RAZR M 4G LTE press shot and specs leaked, 4.3-inch qHD display and dual-core processor coming soonhttp://9to5google.com/2012/08/27/motorola-razr-m-4g-lte-press-shot-and-specs-leaked-4-3-inch-qhd-display-and-dual-core-processor-coming-soon/

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ERRumor Has It Samsung Set To Announce Galaxy S Camera Alongside Note 2 At IFA, Based On Galaxy S IIIhttp://www.androidpolice.com/2012/08/25/rumor-has-it-samsung-set-to-announce-galaxy-s-camera-alongside-note-2-at-ifa-based-on-galaxy-s-iii/

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Samsung Galaxy Note II specs leak, rumored to launch with Jelly Beanhttp://androinica.com/2012/08/samsung-galaxy-note-ii-specs-leak-rumored-to-launch-with-jelly-bean/

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Samsung unveils Galaxy Player 5.8, pockets everywhere brace for impacthttp://www.engadget.com/2012/08/27/samsung-unveils-galaxy-player-5-8/

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5:48Email0:05:00

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JHHey AAA Twit crew,Same as you Jason, I have experienced ghosting on The Samsung Epic 4g Touch(super amoled plus), Nexus S 4g (amoled)and seen it happen on the  Galaxy Nexus(super amoled)....for me it has disappeared and happens at random. I never experienced it on HTC EVO or any slcd display, may be its a burn in on the amoled screen..who knows but Jason your not nuts...or maybe we are all NUTS! Luis CamachoMany others said the same, so whoppeeee I'm not crazyReady Apps

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5:53Apps (3 top stories)LinksVIDEO0:10:00

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ERGoogle Wallet to challenge iPhone Passbook by storing ID, boarding passes, and morehttp://venturebeat.com/2012/08/28/google-wallet-future-identification/

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Related: Mild-mannered Samsung Galaxy S II update brings Isis mobile payment support, first device for this servicehttp://www.engadget.com/2012/08/28/t-mobile-gs-ii-isis-update/

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RRFeds shut down three Android pirated apps sites, more to come?http://9to5google.com/2012/08/22/feds-shut-down-three-android-pirated-apps-sites-more-to-come/

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The DoJ and FBI Take Down Three Android Piracy Siteshttp://www.lazytechguys.com/news/the-doj-and-fbi-take-down-three-android-piracy-sites/

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JHFacebook for Android updates to help you create events on the gohttp://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57499247-251/facebook-for-android-updates-to-help-you-create-events-on-the-go

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Facebook Is Forcing Its Employees To Use Android Phones Because Its Android App Is Just Awfulhttp://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-android-app-employees-2012-8

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6:03Email0:05:00

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ERVoicemail from guy in San Diego (Stuart) about the Amazon App store. Dated, Aug 24th.http://soundcloud.com/allaboutandroid/stuart-in-san-diego-amazon

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Ready Arena

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6:08Android Arena!Market LinkVIDEO0:20:00

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Last Week's Pollhttp://s9.postimage.org/psxu4t3z3/Screen_Shot_2012_08_28_at_3_22_24_PM.pnghttp://bit.ly/aaa73poll

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This Week's Pollhttp://bit.ly/aaa74poll

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6:28Signoff

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JHThat's it for this week!

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[1] Summary of ruling: Decision was reached in 21 hours, just shy of three work days. Apple's s/w patents: Apple wins patent claims on most Samsung devices listed: Bounce Back, one finger/two finger scroll, and tap-to-zoom (note, NOTHING on pinch to zoom like I've seen reported) As well, Samsung was mostly found to have induced in these cases, meaning they willfully copied the design of Apple Devices. Apple's Design patents: Regarding the front/back of the iPhone design and icon layout, Samsung lost on most devices, as well as having induced in most of those cases. One notable exception was the Galaxy Tab which was NOT found to infringe on the iPad design. Trade Dress: Many Samsung devices, including Galaxy S 4G diluted the trade dress of iPhone 3G. Damages: $1.05 billion. Samsungs patents: Not one was found to be infringed by Apple. Damages: $0
[2] Groklaw is calling for a retrial, especially considering a number of contradictions in the Jury's ruling, such as awarding damages for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE, while simultaneously ruling that the tablet actually didn't infringe at all.
[3] Galaxy S 4G Galaxy S2 (AT&T) Galaxy S2 (Skyrocket) Galaxy S2 (T-Mobile) Galaxy S2 Epic 4G Galaxy S Showcase Droid Charge Galaxy Prevail Samsung is asking to lift the ban on Galaxy Tab 10.1
[4] Andy says "it’s possible that the next great phone, the one that shames the iPhone the same way that the iPhone buried the Blackberry, will never make it to market. Designing and selling an advanced smartphone just became a dangerous business."