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1 | Chat 6/4 | Topic: | How do you discourage and work against the "spoon-feeding" mentality of students in a flipped class? (via @guster4lovers) | Connections Map | http://bit.ly/KdHIlE | |||||||||||||||
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3 | 5/6/2012 0:00:12 | bennettscience | Welcome to #flipclass chat! Please remember to use the hashtag in all of your tweets. | |||||||||||||||||
4 | 5/6/2012 0:00:31 | bennettscience | Tonight's topic: "What strategies help you combat the spoon-fed mentality in your #flipclass"? | |||||||||||||||||
5 | 5/6/2012 0:01:08 | bennettscience | It's been two weeks since the last chat, so I'm glad to be back. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
6 | 5/6/2012 0:01:15 | arnoldscience | @bennettscience My plan next year is to make it very intentional and upfront with the kids from the beginning, #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
7 | 5/6/2012 0:01:45 | runfardvs | Ahhh . . . breaking the "spoonfeeding" habit tonight on #flipclass chat. See you guys there! | |||||||||||||||||
8 | 5/6/2012 0:01:51 | arnoldscience | @bennettscience 2. Meaning that I will be explaining that the goal is independence with assistance. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
9 | 5/6/2012 0:02:08 | tpettis | RT @buddyxo: Hoping to get teachers enthused for the summer: http://t.co/906DVWGa Also see @cybraryman1's #flipclass page for more: http://t.co/L6bMneN9 | |||||||||||||||||
10 | 5/6/2012 0:02:09 | crystalkirch | I have tried 2respond 2 Ss q's w/more questions for them to answer...that has helped a bit in not being the "sole dispenser" #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
11 | 5/6/2012 0:02:14 | jdferries | @bennettscience assessments based on the ability to problem solve instead of recall. helps to be ina grade conscious school #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
12 | 5/6/2012 0:02:37 | techsavvyed | “@bennettscience: #flipclass chat is in 15 minutes. What do you do to make sure you don't spoon feed your learners?” Have "no answers" days | |||||||||||||||||
13 | 5/6/2012 0:03:02 | a_mcsquared | spoon feeding is my biggest weakness stil, so looking for ideas here, sorry #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
14 | 5/6/2012 0:03:16 | jdferries | @crystalkirch i love the questioning strategy. amazing what feeding back the problem does in a collaborative environment #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
15 | 5/6/2012 0:03:31 | jsprfox | @bennettscience mastery learning, reflection, re takes, and revision #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
16 | 5/6/2012 0:03:44 | jtague252 | Biggest asset is time. Ss not on my schedule 2 learn so no pressure to make sure it's "covered" #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
17 | 5/6/2012 0:03:51 | arnoldscience | @crystalkirch I do a lot of that and the slanted grin when they ask a question. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
18 | 5/6/2012 0:04:09 | crystalkirch | @arnoldscience they hate the slanted grin :) #flipclass . I love it! | |||||||||||||||||
19 | 5/6/2012 0:04:26 | bennettscience | @arnoldscience @crystalkirch Oh yeah. I love the slanted grin, esp. when they're on the right track looking for easy way out. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
20 | 5/6/2012 0:04:28 | runfardvs | I used to have a broken wooden spoon hanging in front of my class. Reminding Ss that I wouldn't soon feed them answers. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
21 | 5/6/2012 0:04:28 | arnoldscience | @crystalkirch it is my personal specialty #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
22 | 5/6/2012 0:04:45 | Mr_Driscoll | One key is to clearly articulate to students that a #flipclass is spent performing authentic tasks, not just listening to teacher | |||||||||||||||||
23 | 5/6/2012 0:04:48 | bennettscience | @runfardvs Abstraction at its best. #flipclass :-) | |||||||||||||||||
24 | 5/6/2012 0:04:53 | shawdave | #flipclass hoping to apply some flipclass methods to HS General Music next year. PBL, etc. We should be 1:1 by january 2013. | |||||||||||||||||
25 | 5/6/2012 0:04:54 | tcockrum | My conversations with Ss center around learning the objective and not the grade. I avoid assigning a grade as long as possible. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
26 | 5/6/2012 0:04:58 | arnoldscience | @bennettscience @crystalkirch That is the key too, encouraging when on right track, reinforcing that #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
27 | 5/6/2012 0:05:00 | bennettscience | Is the "spoon-feed me" mentality synonymous with "teaching" in schools today? #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
28 | 5/6/2012 0:05:05 | jdferries | getting students to identify claims & evidence, problem & solution, tasks that demonstrate objective. a lot less talking in gen. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
29 | 5/6/2012 0:05:07 | jsprfox | @bennettscience also a lot of success so far having them teach each other #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
30 | 5/6/2012 0:05:12 | MrsHowardMath | Finding ways to assess understanding rather than a correct answer. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
31 | 5/6/2012 0:05:31 | bennettscience | @tcockrum Similar here. I think the grade is the biggest reason kids want to know "the answer." #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
32 | 5/6/2012 0:05:34 | a_mcsquared | maybe I should start with "what have you done to figure it out?" #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
33 | 5/6/2012 0:05:45 | arnoldscience | it is a hard habit to break as a teacher. Easier to give right answer or pathway than to find another tack #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
34 | 5/6/2012 0:05:47 | SciTeacherEd | Always a challenge! RT @MrsHowardMath: Finding ways to assess understanding rather than a correct answer. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
35 | 5/6/2012 0:05:54 | Mr_Driscoll | @bennettscience would all forms of direct instruction be considered "spoon fed?" #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
36 | 5/6/2012 0:05:58 | bennettscience | @a_mcsquared That's a good way. I require evidence of effort beyond just watching the lecture. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
37 | 5/6/2012 0:06:03 | crystalkirch | @runfardvs I like that! #flipclass.They need 2know our purpose in not spoonfeeding. It's not b/c we hate them. It's b/c we want them 2grow | |||||||||||||||||
38 | 5/6/2012 0:06:04 | runfardvs | I found that it took time to get Ss in the mindset of demonstrating what they knew rather than just going through motions. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
39 | 5/6/2012 0:06:04 | jtague252 | Over time Ss collaborate w each other. If I time it right, they don't need my help! #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
40 | 5/6/2012 0:06:07 | jdferries | @bennettscience i think it is part teaching "we trained them well" and part social expectation...lots of early parent phonecalls #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
41 | 5/6/2012 0:06:23 | bennettscience | @Mr_Driscoll No, b/c I can give instructions on a skill, kids then have to demonstrate that skill. ie graphing on TI Calc. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
42 | 5/6/2012 0:06:29 | arnoldscience | @Mr_Driscoll @bennettscience I don't think so, that's just me making a bowl of cereal...they have to use the spoon #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
43 | 5/6/2012 0:06:36 | bennettscience | @Mr_Driscoll I can demo live/teach, then they have to know how to use it. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
44 | 5/6/2012 0:06:39 | buddyxo | @bennettscience Right back at ya! #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
45 | 5/6/2012 0:06:43 | runfardvs | @bennettscience It was fun when all I had to do was point at the spoon and they knew what it meant! #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
46 | 5/6/2012 0:06:59 | arnoldscience | @runfardvs Definitely takes time and modeling #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
47 | 5/6/2012 0:07:18 | runfardvs | @crystalkirch It takes time but they eventually get it. That's when things get fun! #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
48 | 5/6/2012 0:07:20 | jdferries | @arnoldscience even quick formative i have turned over to a backchannel and student lookup. i love clarifying after attempt 1-3 #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
49 | 5/6/2012 0:07:21 | bennettscience | @runfardvs I might definitely steal that for next year. Actually, I am going to. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
50 | 5/6/2012 0:07:22 | a_mcsquared | @runfardvs oooh I must bring a spoon to class then good idea #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
51 | 5/6/2012 0:07:39 | TheRobotFairy | End of year survey: 1 student said she "didn't like #flipclass and wanted me to just tell her everything" Yup they are used to being "fed" | |||||||||||||||||
52 | 5/6/2012 0:07:41 | MLanghans410 | Breaking of the spoon must start at an early age and not necessarily beginning at school #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
53 | 5/6/2012 0:07:43 | arnoldscience | @jtague252 Yep...that is the best. Getting to a student only to find out their group has taught them! #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
54 | 5/6/2012 0:08:02 | crystalkirch | @bennettscience @a_mcsquared This goes a little with the "ask three then me" mentality as well.Search out the answers themselves! #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
55 | 5/6/2012 0:08:04 | kls4711 | @a_mcsquared and 'who else have you talked to to try to answer your question?' #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
56 | 5/6/2012 0:08:12 | a_mcsquared | @jk_herbert Hey John, first time at #flipclass? Nice to see you and I agree! | |||||||||||||||||
57 | 5/6/2012 0:08:27 | arnoldscience | @crystalkirch @bennettscience @a_mcsquared Was the rule at my last school for the freshmen at least, for everything #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
58 | 5/6/2012 0:08:30 | bennettscience | I find my kids went thru 3 cycles. Excitement (novelty), anger (frustration…spoon feeding was coveted), appreciation. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
59 | 5/6/2012 0:08:44 | crystalkirch | @TheRobotFairy I got that response several times as well! #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
60 | 5/6/2012 0:08:53 | TheRobotFairy | “@runfardvs: It was fun when all I had to do was point at the spoon and they knew what it meant! #flipclass” That is awesome | |||||||||||||||||
61 | 5/6/2012 0:08:58 | a_mcsquared | oh yes I love that! Easy to remember and say! #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
62 | 5/6/2012 0:08:59 | arnoldscience | @bennettscience I 2nd that...though many never made it to phase 3 #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
63 | 5/6/2012 0:09:13 | DeliaBush | When you all are doing the collaborative piece you're talking about, do the groups vary by lesson, need, personality...tch made? #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
64 | 5/6/2012 0:09:23 | bennettscience | @arnoldscience I didn't have as many this year b/c mine was the only class asking them to think. But, didn't dissuade me. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
65 | 5/6/2012 0:09:37 | runfardvs | Always had a few Ss who wanted to push the envelope. Important to not buckle, especially at the beginning. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
66 | 5/6/2012 0:09:41 | jdferries | @runfardvs yeah, "goingthroughmotions" drives me nuts. find showing almost a contempt fr grades helps fight, but cultureshock #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
67 | 5/6/2012 0:09:42 | arnoldscience | @MLanghans410 So true, but as with many things in ed, if I have to be the first time in high school, I will #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
68 | 5/6/2012 0:09:46 | guster4lovers | #flipclass how do you guys make sure Ss are on task when you're helping someone else? There are always about 5 needy Ss and 1 of me | |||||||||||||||||
69 | 5/6/2012 0:09:51 | ReitzScience | In any classroom and especially a #flipclass I rarely answer a question straight up. I have the habit of answering with a question. | |||||||||||||||||
70 | 5/6/2012 0:09:55 | buddyxo | My biggest thing: building *trust* w ss. Makes them less fearful of discovery. Let the indep learning happen "by accident" #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
71 | 5/6/2012 0:10:05 | bennettscience | @buddyxo Yes. Once kids believed I trusted them and that they could trust me, I got much less attitude. The "appreciation" phase. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
72 | 5/6/2012 0:10:09 | crystalkirch | @bennettscience would you say most of your Ss got to that last phase by the end of the year? #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
73 | 5/6/2012 0:10:10 | davidfouch | #flipclass I cannot be at the chat tonight I have to work on a grad school paper. Looking forward to reading the archive. #4moredays | |||||||||||||||||
74 | 5/6/2012 0:10:25 | a_mcsquared | @crystalkirch "love that 3 then me" that was meant as a reply to you crystal, but tweetdeck isnt working right tonight #flipclass arg | |||||||||||||||||
75 | 5/6/2012 0:10:33 | arnoldscience | @DeliaBush Depends, labs I usually pick, other things depend on how their self made groups are functioning #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
76 | 5/6/2012 0:10:33 | bennettscience | @buddyxo I just wish it didn't take so long to get to that point. Big disconnect in schools these days, unfortunately. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
77 | 5/6/2012 0:10:35 | runfardvs | @bennettscience That makes it really hard. Almost like having to fight two battles. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
78 | 5/6/2012 0:10:43 | a_mcsquared | RT @kls4711: @a_mcsquared and 'who else have you talked to to try to answer your question?' #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
79 | 5/6/2012 0:10:56 | ReitzScience | Drives some of them nuts . . . But that is part of the fun #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
80 | 5/6/2012 0:11:00 | bennettscience | @crystalkirch I would say most. Some still angry, but they understood why I was doing it, so more grumpy than angry… #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
81 | 5/6/2012 0:11:05 | jsprfox | @guster4lovers i like using http://t.co/focHfsLn during class students end up helping each other #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
82 | 5/6/2012 0:11:08 | tcockrum | I have one student after a year that still says, "Why can't you just tell me the answer?" & gets really mad when I chuckle. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
83 | 5/6/2012 0:11:22 | EllieFRussell | RT @bennettscience: Is the "spoon-feed me" mentality synonymous with "teaching" in schools today? #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
84 | 5/6/2012 0:11:28 | crystalkirch | @a_mcsquared I have used it sparingly this year, I think I'll make it a "wall quote" next year #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
85 | 5/6/2012 0:11:40 | runfardvs | @jdferries First few times I told them to redo an asmt b/c they didn't learn anything was always "fun". #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
86 | 5/6/2012 0:11:46 | TheRobotFairy | “@crystalkirch: @bennettscience @a_mcsquared This goes a little with the "ask three then me #flipclass” Great mantra! | |||||||||||||||||
87 | 5/6/2012 0:11:46 | buddyxo | The #flipclass also frees up time. W more time, ss less stressed to get instant answers. More working w peers & less demanding tchr ansr | |||||||||||||||||
88 | 5/6/2012 0:11:51 | arnoldscience | @tcockrum @bennettscience Same here, but they all assume I'm evil anyway. Have had empire death march played when I walk in #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
89 | 5/6/2012 0:11:51 | bennettscience | I gave an open-ended final this year, kids still asked me for answers. I laughed. They rolled their eyes and kept going. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
90 | 5/6/2012 0:11:52 | guster4lovers | @bennettscience @arnoldscience #flipclass how long is the frustration/anger cycle? I'm frustrated by how long it's taking to get through | |||||||||||||||||
91 | 5/6/2012 0:12:31 | bennettscience | @guster4lovers @arnoldscience I think it's the longest. Have to re-think their entire approach to school, very hard for some. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
92 | 5/6/2012 0:12:35 | arnoldscience | @guster4lovers @bennettscience A couple of months when they realize its harder this way than just copying worksheets #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
93 | 5/6/2012 0:12:36 | kls4711 | @DeliaBush I keep groups random - remake them in front of the kids. I like the transparency. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
94 | 5/6/2012 0:12:43 | runfardvs | @bennettscience Unfortunately, I heard "but I finished it" all too often. Took time to get them past that. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
95 | 5/6/2012 0:12:51 | crystalkirch | @guster4lovers @bennettscience @arnoldscience I think it's harder when we start in the middle of the yr - expecting better nxt yr #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
96 | 5/6/2012 0:12:51 | bennettscience | RT @runfardvs: @bennettscience Unfortunately, I heard "but I finished it" all too often. Took time to get them past that. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
97 | 5/6/2012 0:12:54 | Mr_Driscoll | Students need to know that you are still supporting them throughout #flipclass process. Scaffolding and guidance a must to build trust. | |||||||||||||||||
98 | 5/6/2012 0:13:08 | bennettscience | @crystalkirch @guster4lovers @arnoldscience Yes, I've heard that as well. Starting fresh will help next year. #flipclass | |||||||||||||||||
99 | 5/6/2012 0:13:13 | bennettscience | RT @Mr_Driscoll: Students need to know that you are still supporting them throughout #flipclass process. Scaffolding and guidance a must to build trust. | |||||||||||||||||
100 | 5/6/2012 0:13:14 | runfardvs | RT @tcockrum: I have one student that still says, "Why can't you just tell me the answer?" & gets really mad when I chuckle. #flipclass |