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1 | Agazzani B-24/24 NOTE: Agazzani was purchased by PANHANS, factory in Italy is now closed...Good thread: http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?189393-Agazzani-is-moving-to-Germany!&highlight=agazzani | Minimax MM24 | ||||||||||
2 | Comparison valid at | March 2012 | March 2012 | |||||||||
3 | Contacts | Jesse @ Eagle | Sam @ MM | |||||||||
4 | Website | http://www.eagle-tools.com/ | http://www.minimax-usa.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_bs.tpl&product_id=20&category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=35 | |||||||||
5 | Company Info | Agazzani makes the following: 1) Rapid series through Adwood - no longer imported 2) Pan Hans (Germany) 3) Agazanni/Euroshop through Eagle Tools - now owned by Panshans | Centauro makes the following: 1) Mini Max MM16 and larger 2) SCM/SCMI 20" and larger 3) Akhurst/Casadei America 24" and larger | |||||||||
6 | website quality / information availability | Poor website, difficult to get data from Jesse | OK website, easy to get data from Sam | |||||||||
7 | Salesman responsiveness | delay upon initial contact, had to email a 2nd time a couple of days later...lots of forwarded emails from others, but few personalized emails...Jesse told me he didn't have the time to write an essay to answer my detailed questions and wanted to talk on the phone instead. | immediate, long detailed emails, personalized, data-driven statements vs. competition | |||||||||
8 | Cost | $3,995 | $4,995 | |||||||||
9 | Company size | small, long term support risk? - looks like this became an issue... | big, long term support less risky | |||||||||
10 | Feel "quality" | sweet machine & feel according to Jesse reports that the saw finish is "more refined" | built like a tank, but less refined | |||||||||
11 | Recency of Production | All in-stock, not sure how recent the production will be - seems concerned about my request for a recently produced unit | Recently produced models, stock refreshes often | |||||||||
12 | Spare parts | Sent to Eagle from Italy, said the sent him parts when he started selling the equipment, only a couple of people in 10 years needed parts from Italy | Was told: "In Georgia w/distr. center, has everything" My experience: they don't even stock a motor cover!! still waiting for a motor cover 1 month after I rec'd the unit...and my unit was delayed several times as well. Over 3 months since the order date and my unit is still not operational | |||||||||
13 | Service | No technicians | No technicians that I've seen..I was told they have technicians in every state, but it's not clear they will provide service for things like damaged motor housings.. | |||||||||
14 | Loudness | B600 - 84.4 avg. acoustic pressure, avg. acoustic power 79.7dB | ? not tested | |||||||||
15 | Dimensions | 89.37" x 27" D x 43" W | 94" x 30" x 46", body 91" (post = 94") | |||||||||
16 | chassis gauge | door .1", body under table is .160", base is .160" + folded steel, spine .1" or more | 6mm or .236" thick, .18" | |||||||||
17 | Beam Column or Spine | "W"-design on resaw models - looks like double-beam? | tripple box beam, clearly stronger & heavier | |||||||||
18 | Spine width | ? | 10" | |||||||||
19 | Deflection of machine with blade under tension | would really like someone to measure this data w/same new Trimaster blades | .045 - FWW review on 18" saws was just under bridgewood, and the new MMs are beefer | |||||||||
20 | Table size | 23.23" x 31.89" (US: 23.25" x 28.75") | 23" x 32" | |||||||||
21 | Table height | 33.85" | 34" | |||||||||
22 | Table tilt | 45 degrees | 45 degrees | |||||||||
23 | Table weight | light | very heavy, "thickest cast iron in the industry" | |||||||||
24 | Table is | Cast-iron | Cast-iron | |||||||||
25 | Table movement speed | slower, quick-release for reverse tilt | fastest, quick-release for reverse tilt | |||||||||
26 | Table movement | rack & pinion, don't hear about clogging issues on upper arm, sometimes R&P is too tight from factory and needs adjustement | chain/sprocket raise/lower (claims to be better in dusty environments) | |||||||||
27 | Table flatness | within 10 thousands of inch upon ship | tested at factor, about 10 thousands | |||||||||
28 | Table surface | scraped | blanchard grined | |||||||||
29 | Throat plate | ? | plastic, 4 leveling screws -- sucks! make one wquarter-sawn white oak | |||||||||
30 | Motor HP | 4.8HP | 4.8HP 1-phase and 4.8HP or 7.5HP 3-phase | |||||||||
31 | Motor Brand | Baldor - service level 1 - sheet metal housing | (June 2012) Got MOTEK, not CEG. The Motek is a S6 - 80% duty cycle | |||||||||
32 | Capacitors | ? | Large start cap, run cap | |||||||||
33 | Circuit | rec 40A, 30A might be OK | 30A 10ga | |||||||||
34 | Starter | magnetic w/overload prot | magnetic w/overload prot | |||||||||
35 | Weight (net) | 694lbs | 881lbs net (without crate) Said to be over quoted - realistic weight is still more than Agazzani - more cast iron, heavier structure | |||||||||
36 | Resaw capacity | 24" | 24" | |||||||||
37 | Max saw width | 22.8" | 23.25" | |||||||||
38 | Blade len | 199 3/4" | 196" | |||||||||
39 | Blade speed | 1550 mt/1', 1590 meter per min - 5216 FPM | 5000 FPM | |||||||||
40 | Flywheel diameter | 23 5/8" | 23 5/8" | |||||||||
41 | Flywheel material | cast iron | cast iron | |||||||||
42 | Flywheel thickness | .557" on avg, thinest part under .5" | .5" | |||||||||
43 | Flywheel weight | lower wheel - 60lbs upper wheel - 48lbs | lower wheel - 52lbs upper wheel - 52lbs | |||||||||
44 | Flywheel balance | electronic | electronic | |||||||||
45 | Flywheel shape | shallow crown | flat tires | |||||||||
46 | Tires | Vulcanized | Quick-change T&G | |||||||||
47 | Tire "lanes" | 4 lanes - 1. near edge - larger blades here, be careful not to touch blade guard 2. front center - allows lower guides to position easily with smaller blades 3. back center 4. behind center next to back edge | run your 1/4 blade back - due to backing out of cuts | |||||||||
48 | Tire rubber | more resilient | less resilient? | |||||||||
49 | Tire life/replacement interval (typ) | 20+ years | 7-8 years | |||||||||
50 | Tire cost | ? | $35/each | |||||||||
51 | Tire service | Send them in or bring to local machinist? | 20 minute process | |||||||||
52 | Blade min width | 1/4" | 1/4" | |||||||||
53 | Blade max width | 1.38" (USA says 1.5") | 1.5" | |||||||||
54 | Dust ports | 2x 4" | 1 4" | |||||||||
55 | Dust port location | two - one at bottom, one at guides? | at guides, in enclosed chamber w/zero clearance plate | |||||||||
56 | Dust collection efficiency | slightly better than MM, given 2 ports?, but still sucks...any way to improve? | doesn't look good in the videos - also ships with 3 large holes on the top of the machine with no plugs (they told me they stopped selling the machines with plugs!!) I'm confident that the very worst aspect of this machine is the dust collection....I'm planning to heavily modify the machine to have 3 ports for DC. | |||||||||
57 | Safety switchs on doors | yes, on both upper and lower | yes, on both upper and lower..alignment concerns | |||||||||
58 | Foot brake (10 sec CE requirement) | B-24 is a little slower than B-18/B-20, stops "pretty quickly", range of "4-5 secs"...Adwood version (Rapide 600) has a faster brake | shoe and drum mechanical | |||||||||
59 | Roller guides | New Euro style | upper/lower Euro style | |||||||||
60 | Guide head | proprietary | universal | |||||||||
61 | Guide post | thickness - < 1.25" | 1.25" steel | |||||||||
62 | Guide guard | ? | heavy steel | |||||||||
63 | Guidepost structure | passes through upper structure, not just R&P that supports it | reinforced in upper structure | |||||||||
64 | Guidepost movement | R&P | chain & sprocket | |||||||||
65 | Rip/resaw fence material | cast-iron clamp, Aluminum body | All cast-iron? | |||||||||
66 | Rip/resaw fence dimensions | ? | 3" tall, 2" thick, 20" long | |||||||||
67 | fence removal | easy removal | easy removal | |||||||||
68 | Upper arm | Resaw models (same as B-32) are comparable to MM, MM is better than the std. Agazzani | very strong | |||||||||
69 | drift adjustment | rotate table most of the time, adj screws & sometimes shim around adj screw if required | pivot point and lock - easy to do | |||||||||
70 | Common problem #1 | bad elect switches ~6 yrs ago? | ||||||||||
71 | Common problem #2 | table not perfectly level | table not perfectly level | |||||||||
72 | Common problem #3 | 1/4" blade guard - changed so steel comes all the way down - cutout didn't allow thrust bearing to come forward enough, couldn't get the trust bearing to the back of the blade...factory recommends you run your 1/4" toward the center of the tire...Sam's rec - dremel tool to cut the guard about 1/2" | ||||||||||
73 | Common problem #4 | missing caps for holes on top | ||||||||||
74 | Common problem #5 | mobility wheel needs removal to change blade? - MM16 only? | ||||||||||
75 | Common problem #6 | micro-switch misalignment, causing a burning smell from the motor not stopping on time when the brake is depressed | ||||||||||
76 | Common problem #7 | Moeller starters (see threads on yahoo group) | ||||||||||
77 | Shipping cost | $283 w/liftgate for residential (ABF) | $362 WITHOUT lift-gate - $462ish with | |||||||||
78 | Shipping damage | shipped on side in wood, over 200lb boxes, 2.5 hours to make the boxes | Pretty mediocre packaging IMO -- no protection for the motor (mine was damaged -- I'm surprised this doesn't happen 100% of the time)...and bottom of pallet had many 1x4s that were coming apart, exposing the spine of the saw. Palate is not wide enough for two forks of a pallet jack, so all pressure is put on one 6" spot. Not using plywood on sides of pallet -- it's open and wrapped in plastic with limited cross-beams of 1x4. | |||||||||
79 | Technical check before ship | 2-3 hours prior to shipment | I'd rather the machine was not opened | |||||||||
80 | WARRANTY CLAIMS | 1. no local techs 2. give customers info over phone & email 3. electrical may be difficult to debug - local motor shop folks recommended 4. may take time to get fixes -- can't have a tech drive over - generally uses photos | 1. Call a local technician some reports of bad customer service for repair work by multiple folks on the forums...hard to determine if this is an anomaly or the common case | |||||||||
81 | WARANTY TIME | 1 year - 100% cost of defective part No warranty for labor | 1 year (defects in workmanship) for parts w/telephone consultation -- as long as it doesn't require special training or substantial time to repair, 90 days accessories, they may repair and/or replace at their expense if the defect requires specialized training | |||||||||
82 | Manual | Mediocre | Mediocre | |||||||||
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