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2 | profesorM | 4/19/2012 | 5:00 PM | Hola, Doug here from NY, i teach MS Spanish on Long Island, NY. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
3 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:00 PM | The topic tonight is: What oral participation should we expect and assess in lower levels? #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
4 | melindamlarson | 4/19/2012 | 5:00 PM | RT @sylviaduckworth: RT @Etwitdier: VOC| Vocabulaire Twitter : 15 Mots et Symboles à Connaître ! http://t.co/ohtX8TCt #langchat #flteach #french | ||||||||||||||||
5 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:00 PM | Welcome to #langchat, friends! #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
6 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:01 PM | Where are you all from? I am Kristy from Michigan. I teach Spanish 2 and 4. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
7 | dwphotoski | 4/19/2012 | 5:01 PM | In beginning levels, input is more important than output #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
8 | esantacruz13 | 4/19/2012 | 5:02 PM | I think students need some output as well, in order to practice what they are learning #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
9 | jas347 | 4/19/2012 | 5:02 PM | salut! jordan from KY...student teaching Fr1, Fr2, and PreIB accelerated 1/2. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
10 | Sra_Hildinger | 4/19/2012 | 5:02 PM | Penny from Michigan. I teach high school Spanish 1, 2, 3 #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
11 | BridgetCroyle | 4/19/2012 | 5:02 PM | Is there a specific topic for tonight's #langchat? | ||||||||||||||||
12 | klafrench | 4/19/2012 | 5:02 PM | Joining you tonight from Indiana, French, grades 7-12. | ||||||||||||||||
13 | SECottrell | 4/19/2012 | 5:02 PM | Good evening - welcome to #langchat! Tonight, what kind of oral participation to we expect and assess in lower levels? | ||||||||||||||||
14 | esantacruz13 | 4/19/2012 | 5:02 PM | I am Ely from California. Teaching Sp1, AP lang and lit (all native speakers) #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
15 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:02 PM | @dwphotoski I agree wholeheartedly, Dustin! "In beginning levels, input is more important than output" #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
16 | SECottrell | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | Is everyone familiar with the "silent period" theory and what are your thoughts about it and oral participation in class? #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
17 | klafrench | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | I think we can expect some output in speaking with lots of scaffolding, mostly reactions to simple questions | ||||||||||||||||
18 | SECottrell | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | @BridgetCroyle Welcome! Tonight we are discussing oral participation in lower levels - what to expect, how to grade #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
19 | SraCasey | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | #langchat Kathy from Wisconsin | ||||||||||||||||
20 | pamwesely | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | Pam from Iowa - I was a middle school French teacher, now I work at University of Iowa training FL/WL teachers #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
21 | esantacruz13 | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | RT @SECottrell: I confess I have not taught lower levels (HS) for three years - interested to see what you all say. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
22 | SraSpanglish | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | RT @placido: @dwphotoski I agree wholeheartedly, Dustin! "In beginning levels, input is more important than output" #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
23 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | @BridgetCroyle Tonight, what kind of oral participation to we expect and assess in lower levels? #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
24 | esantacruz13 | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | Use it or lose it #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
25 | ccsspanish | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | Hi, I'm Ana from NC. I teach HS levels I-IV #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
26 | melindamlarson | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | Bonjour, I'm Melinda from Wisconsin. I teach French 1-AP. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
27 | SraSpanglish | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | @placido #langchat Spanish 1-3 in NC | ||||||||||||||||
28 | SECottrell | 4/19/2012 | 5:03 PM | I confess I have not taught lower levels (HS) for three years - interested to see what you all say. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
29 | pamwesely | 4/19/2012 | 5:04 PM | Prob most of what I'd expect are short responses to indicate comprehension. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
30 | Marishawkins | 4/19/2012 | 5:04 PM | I'm from Maryland, and I teach MS Spanish as well. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
31 | esantacruz13 | 4/19/2012 | 5:04 PM | @SECottrell not sure what this theory is all about #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
32 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:04 PM | What kind of output should we expect to see from a novice learner? #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
33 | profesorM | 4/19/2012 | 5:04 PM | I teach exp that lead to convos, ie shopping, talk about classes, family etc. 5 utterances each #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
34 | kinom1 | 4/19/2012 | 5:05 PM | Spanish 2 and 3 Maryland #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
35 | Sra_Hildinger | 4/19/2012 | 5:05 PM | Speaking we begin with yes/no, move to one word answer, then short sentences with each topic. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
36 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:05 PM | @SECottrell I believe the silent period is important in lowering the affective filter. But if they are ready to speak, let them. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
37 | klafrench | 4/19/2012 | 5:05 PM | Starting your year with proficiency goals certainly helps. They know what they need to do to reach their goals. #Langchat | ||||||||||||||||
38 | pamwesely | 4/19/2012 | 5:05 PM | I sure did love having students write silly skits and play with the language, though #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
39 | cadamsf1 | 4/19/2012 | 5:05 PM | @SECottrell where there is a period of constant input but students don't produce anything?? #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
40 | esantacruz13 | 4/19/2012 | 5:05 PM | @placido Being able to use the concepts taught in class maybe? Forming sentences, being able to communicate at a basic level ? #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
41 | klafrench | 4/19/2012 | 5:06 PM | @placido I agree, I have some driven level 1s ready to try very early on! | ||||||||||||||||
42 | Sra_Hildinger | 4/19/2012 | 5:06 PM | The key is wait time and guiding students to the right answer instead of giving it or moving on to someone else. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
43 | msfrenchteach | 4/19/2012 | 5:06 PM | Hello! I expect my ss to speak the TL from day 1.Only since Oct, I have turned my classrm into a French-only one.It's rewarding. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
44 | pamwesely | 4/19/2012 | 5:06 PM | I think that letting students play with speaking is underrated. It really does engage some kids even when it's not "correct" #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
45 | SraSpanglish | 4/19/2012 | 5:06 PM | @SECottrell I've always wondered if the silent period should be granted per unit? Per course? #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
46 | jas347 | 4/19/2012 | 5:06 PM | RT @klafrench: Starting your year with proficiency goals certainly helps. They know what they need to do to reach their goals. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
47 | profesorM | 4/19/2012 | 5:07 PM | Teach topically. If u teach house vocab, students should be able to tell u about their house. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
48 | Marishawkins | 4/19/2012 | 5:07 PM | RT @Sra_Hildinger: Speaking we begin with yes/no, move to one word answer, then short sentences with each topic. #langchat I agree! | ||||||||||||||||
49 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:07 PM | Has everyone read @skrashen 's work? Check out http://t.co/DaqltRmp #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
50 | SrtaLisa | 4/19/2012 | 5:08 PM | @SraSpanglish the concept of a mini-silent period at the beginning of a unit is interesting #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
51 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:08 PM | I think level 1s can be expected to use TL quite a bit, but don't expect perfection (or anything even close!). #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
52 | BridgetCroyle | 4/19/2012 | 5:08 PM | The only silent period in my class is when my students are taking a test. Otherwise, I expect them to be speaking #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
53 | klafrench | 4/19/2012 | 5:08 PM | Posting question words and their definitions helped mine comprehend so they could know how to respond to my questions #Langchat | ||||||||||||||||
54 | cadamsf1 | 4/19/2012 | 5:09 PM | RT @placido: If you understand how language acquisition works, you cant expect them to be always speaking. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
55 | melindamlarson | 4/19/2012 | 5:09 PM | Students encouraged to speak TL from day 1 starting w/ basic phrases & simple responses. My student self-evaluate TL use weekly #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
56 | msfrenchteach | 4/19/2012 | 5:09 PM | Talked to our French IT guy today.He showed me an app that translates signs.Shows that proficiency in spoken TL is essential. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
57 | Marishawkins | 4/19/2012 | 5:09 PM | I believe that it is more important for students to be understood than grammatically correct in beginning levels. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
58 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:09 PM | If you understand how language acquisition works, you can't expect them to be always speaking. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
59 | klafrench | 4/19/2012 | 5:09 PM | @profesorM Another things I have had a lot of success with in my ne curriculum this year. Directed topics help a lot! #Langchat | ||||||||||||||||
60 | dwphotoski | 4/19/2012 | 5:09 PM | in order for students to speak, the teacher has to model it many times #langchat #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
61 | esantacruz13 | 4/19/2012 | 5:10 PM | @Marishawkins:I believe that it is more important for students to be understood than grammatically correct in beginning levels. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
62 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:10 PM | RT @Marishawkins:I believe that it is more important for students to be understood than grammatically correct in beginning levels. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
63 | pamwesely | 4/19/2012 | 5:10 PM | @placido If you understand how *some theories on language acquisition* work, you mean :) #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
64 | Sra_Hildinger | 4/19/2012 | 5:10 PM | If they do not feel safe they will not talk. We discuss no put downs, sarcasm, etc and to allow for mistakes & to learn from them #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
65 | SECottrell | 4/19/2012 | 5:10 PM | @ccsspanish not familiar or not a fan? #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
66 | jas347 | 4/19/2012 | 5:10 PM | RT @placido: If you understand how language acquisition works, you cant expect them to be always speaking. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
67 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:10 PM | RT @klafrench: Posting question words and their definitions helped mine comprehend so they could know how to respond to my ??s #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
68 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:11 PM | @pamwesely Do you disagree with Krashen's work? I believe it, because I see it in my classroom. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
69 | SECottrell | 4/19/2012 | 5:11 PM | @pamwesely touché, lol #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
70 | SECottrell | 4/19/2012 | 5:11 PM | @cadamsf1 @esantacruz13 @ccsspanish yes, similar to the period an infant/toddler goes through w/o producing #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
71 | jas347 | 4/19/2012 | 5:11 PM | RT @Marishawkins:I believe that it is more important for students to be understood than grammatically correct in beginning levels. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
72 | dwphotoski | 4/19/2012 | 5:12 PM | RT @placido: I think level 1s can be expected to use TL quite a bit, but don't expect perfection (or anything even close!). #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
73 | profesorM | 4/19/2012 | 5:12 PM | Recently did TPR with air travel, kids listend while gazing pix. After a few days were avle to ell their own travel story. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
74 | jas347 | 4/19/2012 | 5:12 PM | in order to assess lower levels, you have to let Ss know it's totally acceptable to speak without being 100% correct. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
75 | msfrenchteach | 4/19/2012 | 5:12 PM | RT @esantacruz13 @Marishawkins:I believe that it's more important for ss to be understood than grammatically correct in beginning #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
76 | Sra_Hildinger | 4/19/2012 | 5:12 PM | True! It is much more important to be understood than to be grammatically correct. (Except on tests) #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
77 | cadamsf1 | 4/19/2012 | 5:12 PM | @SECottrell ook yes my nephew has become a test case in communication and acquisition #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
78 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:13 PM | RT @jas347: in order to assess lower levels, you have to let Ss know its totally acceptable to speak without being 100% correct. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
79 | cforchini | 4/19/2012 | 5:13 PM | Hola amigos | ||||||||||||||||
80 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:13 PM | @pamwesely I'm open to any research than shows me that he is wrong...haven't seen it. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
81 | jas347 | 4/19/2012 | 5:14 PM | if they don't know that you DO NOT expect them to be 100% right then they will never open their mouths. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
82 | SECottrell | 4/19/2012 | 5:14 PM | @SraSpanglish makes sense, I'm not expecting my 3's to be spontaneously producing future, but general production, yes #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
83 | ccsspanish | 4/19/2012 | 5:14 PM | @SECottrell Not familiar, sorry. Trying to keep up! #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
84 | msfrenchteach | 4/19/2012 | 5:14 PM | It is a lot of work on the front end to have a total immersion experience in the classroom, but well worth it. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
85 | SECottrell | 4/19/2012 | 5:14 PM | Previous related #langchat s: Increasing student TL use http://t.co/PL4WsEMb assessing participation http://t.co/fszVgSLJ | ||||||||||||||||
86 | cadamsf1 | 4/19/2012 | 5:15 PM | RT @jas347: if they dont know that you DO NOT expect them to be 100% right then they will never open their mouths. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
87 | SECottrell | 4/19/2012 | 5:16 PM | RT @pamwesely: Prob most of what I'd expect are short responses RT @klafrench mostly reactions to simple questions #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
88 | SraCasey | 4/19/2012 | 5:16 PM | #langchat Total immersion doesn't have to be threatening | ||||||||||||||||
89 | dwphotoski | 4/19/2012 | 5:16 PM | I do not assess speaking in level 1 but encourage it with comm activities and stories #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
90 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:17 PM | RT @dwphotoski: From day one I say that errors are expected and part of acquiring a language #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
91 | profesorM | 4/19/2012 | 5:17 PM | @dwphotoski Why don't you assess them orally? Do you assess their reading/ writing? #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
92 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:17 PM | RT @mannkm: It is also important that sts understand whats being said; teachers input must be comprehensible. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
93 | SECottrell | 4/19/2012 | 5:17 PM | a good trend - if you're using proficiency targets/standards, you know you can't expect a novice to create w/language, ask ?s #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
94 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:17 PM | @dwphotoski I do assess in level 1 but I am very generous. If I can understand them it is all good! #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
95 | dwphotoski | 4/19/2012 | 5:17 PM | From day one I say that errors are expected and part of acquiring a language #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
96 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:17 PM | My rubrics tend to focus on vocabulary and comprehensibility. If they don't know a word I encourage circumlocution. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
97 | mannkm | 4/19/2012 | 5:17 PM | It is also important that sts understand what's being said; teacher's input must be comprehensible. #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
98 | dwphotoski | 4/19/2012 | 5:18 PM | @profesorM yes I assess reading/writing but speaking is not part of the grade in level 1, more informal speaking assessments #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
99 | SECottrell | 4/19/2012 | 5:18 PM | @ccsspanish no worries! did you catch the explanations of silent period? #langchat | ||||||||||||||||
100 | placido | 4/19/2012 | 5:18 PM | @dwphotoski I always share my own funny stories of mistakes I have made. And that people are friendly as long as they TRY! #langchat |