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1 | Username | Date | Time | Status | ||
2 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:02 PM | Good evening #langchat! Tonight's topic - how can we make our feedback effective? | ||
3 | js_pasaporte | 10/20/11 | 8:00 PM | At a keynote by John Kuglin - using http://t.co/diQwilvq in presentation. Has anyone used it before? #langchat | ||
4 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:00 PM | @sleary1023 #langchat thanks! the students like it too...now that it's not in my chicken scratch!! | ||
5 | cadamsf1 | 10/20/11 | 8:00 PM | RT @mmebrady: #langchat 2 posts on writing feedback http://t.co/DyRFzpfF http://t.co/mnAJYLXn #langchat | ||
6 | sleary1023 | 10/20/11 | 8:00 PM | @mmebrady I really liked your list of editing abbreviations! | ||
7 | lschwade | 10/20/11 | 8:01 PM | RT @DiegoOjeda66: THIS IS THE BEST RESOURCE FOR SPANISH AND WL TEACHERS I HAVE SEEN IN A WHILE: http://t.co/eRjpQTBP ENJOY #langchat#flteach#spanishteachers | ||
8 | cadamsf1 | 10/20/11 | 8:02 PM | @js_pasaporte haven't seen that is it for live broadcasting like iPadio? #langchat | ||
9 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:03 PM | @SECottrell #langchat make it a 2-way conversation | ||
10 | msfrenchteach | 10/20/11 | 8:04 PM | I use a code system that works well as long as ss don't lose their code sheet. Haha! #langchat | ||
11 | danieljyoo | 10/20/11 | 8:04 PM | RT @mmebrady: #edchat #edtech #langchat Goalbook -- great website for setting goals with students! http://t.co/rYkWMb9B | ||
12 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:04 PM | Actually #edchat discussed this topic in general several months ago. Their archive is here: http://t.co/FYygu6CH #langchat | ||
13 | msfrenchteach | 10/20/11 | 8:04 PM | RT @mmebrady: #langchat 2 posts on writing feedback http://t.co/Fods4Ss6 http://t.co/ZOuXiMPY #langchat | ||
14 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:05 PM | @klafrench jealous of you rural people who get an entire week - who ever heard of that?? #langchat | ||
15 | klafrench | 10/20/11 | 8:05 PM | Hello, all! Joining you live from my fall break! :) Definitely worth the free PD! #langchat | ||
16 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:05 PM | @msfrenchteach sort of like an English teacher's correction codes? #langchat | ||
17 | sleary1023 | 10/20/11 | 8:05 PM | Tell students what you are grading them on specifically in advance and have them practice editing a writing sample as a class. | ||
18 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:05 PM | @mmebrady it's a good start - but not just any feedback will produce real change in student product #langchat | ||
19 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:06 PM | @sleary1023 #langchat yes -- perr editing also works better if students are guided in their correction | ||
20 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:06 PM | @klafrench Oh, well, we had that last week, so now I can be less jealous ;) #langchat | ||
21 | msfrenchteach | 10/20/11 | 8:06 PM | @SECottrell I'm sure it is. I have a number that goes along with a grammatical point, like 1 = article #langchat | ||
22 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:06 PM | @klafrench agreed. One student asked me today if we could talk about how to integrate idiomatic expressions #langchat | ||
23 | klafrench | 10/20/11 | 8:06 PM | @SECottrell I don't get a week-just two days. But, long anticipated none the less. #langchat | ||
24 | sraoconnor | 10/20/11 | 8:06 PM | Agreed! RT @klafrench: Hello, all! Joining you live from my fall break! :) Definitely worth the free PD! #langchat | ||
25 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:06 PM | @SECottrell #langchat very true | ||
26 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:06 PM | @sleary1023 just their own writing sample? or peer as well? #langchat | ||
27 | klafrench | 10/20/11 | 8:06 PM | I think my rubrics this year provide really good feedback about what I am seeing in their writing/speaking. #langchat | ||
28 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:06 PM | @msfrenchteach #langchat that's the other reason I posted mine online | ||
29 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:07 PM | @msfrenchteach brings up a good point - what she's doing is error correction. Do you find that effective feedback? #langchat | ||
30 | suarez712002 | 10/20/11 | 8:07 PM | Good evening from NKY! I attended a great workshop on feedback at the KWLA #langchat | ||
31 | SunnyEarth1 | 10/20/11 | 8:07 PM | RT @msfrenchteach: @SECottrell I have a number that goes along with a grammatical point, like 1 = article #langchat <--What a clever system! | ||
32 | klafrench | 10/20/11 | 8:07 PM | I also think that GoogleVoice is cool b/c you can send them what they recorded so they can hear what you are talking about. #langchat | ||
33 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:07 PM | @SECottrell #langchat WOW!! what an intelligent question!! | ||
34 | msfrenchteach | 10/20/11 | 8:07 PM | RT @sleary1023: Tell ss what you are grading them on specifically in advance & have them practice editing a sample as a class. #langchat | ||
35 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:07 PM | @SECottrell #langchat or even a Frankencollection of class errors | ||
36 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:07 PM | @klafrench because I'd kept circling the "idiomatic expression" detail on the next prof level up #langchat | ||
37 | msfrenchteach | 10/20/11 | 8:08 PM | RT @mmebrady: @SECottrell #langchat I think theres a time for error correction, and a time when it should be avoided #langchat | ||
38 | klafrench | 10/20/11 | 8:08 PM | I need to work more on giving feedback and not just correcting all their errors. #langchat | ||
39 | msfrenchteach | 10/20/11 | 8:08 PM | @SunnyEarth1 Thanks. It's not my own. I don't remember who gave it to me, but I really like that person. haha #langchat | ||
40 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:08 PM | @SECottrell #langchat I think there's a time for error correction, and a time when it should be avoided | ||
41 | cadamsf1 | 10/20/11 | 8:08 PM | I created a self assessment on survey monkey and we use it when they go to the lab. They identify if they hit the key point #langchat | ||
42 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:08 PM | RT @klafrench: I also think that GoogleVoice is cool b/c you can send them what they recorded so they can hear what you are talking about. #langchat | ||
43 | sleary1023 | 10/20/11 | 8:09 PM | @SECottrell Both! It's good to practice as a class with a sample and then edit each other's writing #langchat | ||
44 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:09 PM | RT @klafrench: I find that error correction while speaking/reading is something I hold back on. Writing is where I do a lot of correction. #langchat | ||
45 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:09 PM | @mmebrady tell us more - what is the right time for error correction? #langchat | ||
46 | klafrench | 10/20/11 | 8:09 PM | I find that error correction while speaking/reading is something I hold back on. Writing is where I do a lot of correction. #langchat | ||
47 | SunnyEarth1 | 10/20/11 | 8:09 PM | RT @msfrenchteach: RT @mmebrady: @SECottrell #langchat I think theres a time for error correction, and a time when it should be avoided #langchat | ||
48 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:09 PM | @cadamsf1 #langchat they can be downloaded as mp3 files | ||
49 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:09 PM | RT @klafrench: I need to work more on giving feedback and not just correcting all their errors. #langchat | ||
50 | cadamsf1 | 10/20/11 | 8:09 PM | @klafrench I have never sent them their recording. How do you do that part? #langchat | ||
51 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:10 PM | @mmebrady what kind of writing? interpersonal or presentational? #langchat | ||
52 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:10 PM | @cadamsf1 #langchat not familiar with soundcloud..will have to check it out | ||
53 | klafrench | 10/20/11 | 8:10 PM | I tried peer evaluation but I guess I need to direct that more. It was not as effective. #langchat | ||
54 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:10 PM | RT @suarez712002: @SECottrell @mmebrady when it interferes w/communication getting the message through #langchat | ||
55 | cadamsf1 | 10/20/11 | 8:10 PM | @mmebrady oh ok does it work like soundcloud? I use that and download the recordings and you can do error correction there. #langchat | ||
56 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:10 PM | @klafrench we all tend to do that because of our inner grammar teacher :) do you find it works? #langchat | ||
57 | suarez712002 | 10/20/11 | 8:10 PM | @SECottrell @mmebrady when it interferes w/communication getting the message through #langchat | ||
58 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:10 PM | @SECottrell #langchat I do it more with assigned writing pieces -- when they know it's a draft | ||
59 | SunnyEarth1 | 10/20/11 | 8:10 PM | RT @klafrench: I find that error correction while speaking/reading is something I hold back on. Writing is where I do a lot of correction. #langchat | ||
60 | klafrench | 10/20/11 | 8:10 PM | @cadamsf1 There is an e-mail option. Great to show parents their production in language as well. #langchat | ||
61 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:11 PM | @klafrench #langchat yes -- they def need direction, or they often say "it's perfect" | ||
62 | klafrench | 10/20/11 | 8:11 PM | Photopeach allows you to make comments on the student's video. That could be a great way to provide good feedback. #langchat | ||
63 | cadamsf1 | 10/20/11 | 8:11 PM | @SECottrell I like the error correction is particularly effective with recordings that are submitted #langchat | ||
64 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:11 PM | So @suarez712002 finds error correction necessary when meaning is compromised... is it effective? #langchat | ||
65 | msfrenchteach | 10/20/11 | 8:11 PM | @SECottrell Yes, I find it to be effective feedback with regards to error correction. Less time consuming & always consistent code #langchat | ||
66 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:11 PM | @SECottrell #langchat def presentational -- interpersonal is NOT corrected for errors | ||
67 | msfrenchteach | 10/20/11 | 8:12 PM | @SECottrell Effective feedback to me also means commenting on a personal level. Hey, I read what u wrote & here are my thoughts. #langchat | ||
68 | suarez712002 | 10/20/11 | 8:12 PM | @SECottrell I found it effective when I learned EFL #langchat | ||
69 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:12 PM | @klafrench #langchat another great idea I'll have to check out... | ||
70 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:12 PM | When I ask if error correction is effective, I mean - do you see the error consistently self-corrected after your correction? #langchat | ||
71 | cadamsf1 | 10/20/11 | 8:12 PM | RT @klafrench: Photopeach allows you to make comments on the students video. That could be a great way to provide good feedback. #langchat | ||
72 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:13 PM | #langchat addressing common errors to the class as a whole is also important | ||
73 | suarez712002 | 10/20/11 | 8:13 PM | @SECottrell it's always going to depend on what is corrected certain things are just acquired at a later time #langchat | ||
74 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:13 PM | RT @SECottrell: RT @msfrenchteach: Effective feedback to me also means commenting on a personal level. #langchat | ||
75 | cadamsf1 | 10/20/11 | 8:13 PM | @klafrench I find it works well if they are looking for agreement, intro, etc- with 2-3 specific items #langchat | ||
76 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:13 PM | @SECottrell #langchat that depends if students use the feedback to correct their drafts | ||
77 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:13 PM | RT @msfrenchteach: Effective feedback to me also means commenting on a personal level. #langchat | ||
78 | cadamsf1 | 10/20/11 | 8:14 PM | @SECottrell for me it depends on the type of error. I agree some take time to acquire but others are a matter of thinking b4 speak #langchat | ||
79 | sraoconnor | 10/20/11 | 8:14 PM | I think different kids respond differently to corrections. Some are pretty analytical and want details and where as others..... #langchat | ||
80 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:14 PM | RT @klafrench: Knowing your students well definitely helps you give them better feedback. Shows them you care about their success. #langchat | ||
81 | klafrench | 10/20/11 | 8:14 PM | Knowing your students well definitely helps you give them better feedback. Shows them you care about their success. #langchat | ||
82 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:14 PM | RT @msfrenchteach: @SECottrell Ah, I see. I wouldn't say that it sticks everytime & w/every stdnt, of course, but it does make a difference so far. #langchat | ||
83 | suarez712002 | 10/20/11 | 8:14 PM | 2 types of feedback 1) evaluative 2) descriptive #langchat | ||
84 | msfrenchteach | 10/20/11 | 8:14 PM | @SECottrell Ah, I see. I wouldn't say that it sticks everytime & w/every stdnt, of course, but it does make a difference so far. #langchat | ||
85 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:14 PM | What I'm driving at is that research consistently shows that error correction is not usually effective in changing production #langchat | ||
86 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:15 PM | @sraoconnor @cadamsf1 the ones who want analytical details so they can think before they speak are accessing their "monitor" #langchat | ||
87 | cadamsf1 | 10/20/11 | 8:15 PM | RT @klafrench: Knowing your sts well definitely helps you give them better feedback. Shows them you care about their success. #langchat | ||
88 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:15 PM | @mmebrady @suarez712002 a strength of error correction is in consistent patterns of error #langchat | ||
89 | ProfeEspanol | 10/20/11 | 8:16 PM | Cualquier is an adjetive for both masc n fem nouns. Cualquiera is the pronoun for also both masc n fem nouns. #español #langchat #language | ||
90 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:16 PM | An AP student can make errors and score a 5 as long as the errors are not patterned #langchat | ||
91 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:16 PM | @SECottrell #langchat that's why I think it's impotant to have both error corrected & non corrected situatrions | ||
92 | suarez712002 | 10/20/11 | 8:16 PM | 1)evalfeedback: it expresses judgement 2) desc feedback: info about performance, product etc #langchat | ||
93 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:16 PM | @SECottrell #langchat yes -- I just posted to my site an exam review sugg-- review feedback, don't make the same mistakes, make new 1s | ||
94 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:16 PM | @sraoconnor @cadamsf1 a la @skrashen, that is, and they typically don't increase communicativeness that way #langchat | ||
95 | cadamsf1 | 10/20/11 | 8:17 PM | RT @suarez712002: 1)evalfeedback: it expresses judgement 2) desc feedback: info about performance, product etc #langchat | ||
96 | mmebrady | 10/20/11 | 8:17 PM | @SECottrell #langchat I would say descriptive...is attaching a grade part of the distinction? | ||
97 | msfrenchteach | 10/20/11 | 8:17 PM | Thanks goodness! ;) RT @SECottrell: An AP student can make errors and score a 5 as long as the errors are not patterned #langchat | ||
98 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:17 PM | @suarez712002 which do we do more? which should we do more? evaluative or descriptive? #langchat | ||
99 | suarez712002 | 10/20/11 | 8:17 PM | @SECottrell @mmebrady "fossilisation" #langchat | ||
100 | SECottrell | 10/20/11 | 8:18 PM | @mmebrady I don't know... I don't attach a grade to any of my assessments, but I do "judge", and also describe #langchat |