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SECottrell10/20/118:02 PMGood evening #langchat! Tonight's topic - how can we make our feedback effective?
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js_pasaporte10/20/118:00 PMAt a keynote by John Kuglin - using http://t.co/diQwilvq in presentation. Has anyone used it before? #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:00 PM@sleary1023 #langchat thanks! the students like it too...now that it's not in my chicken scratch!!
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cadamsf110/20/118:00 PMRT @mmebrady: #langchat 2 posts on writing feedback http://t.co/DyRFzpfF http://t.co/mnAJYLXn #langchat
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sleary102310/20/118:00 PM@mmebrady I really liked your list of editing abbreviations!
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lschwade10/20/118:01 PMRT @DiegoOjeda66: THIS IS THE BEST RESOURCE FOR SPANISH AND WL TEACHERS I HAVE SEEN IN A WHILE: http://t.co/eRjpQTBP ENJOY #langchat#flteach#spanishteachers
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cadamsf110/20/118:02 PM@js_pasaporte haven't seen that is it for live broadcasting like iPadio? #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:03 PM@SECottrell #langchat make it a 2-way conversation
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msfrenchteach10/20/118:04 PMI use a code system that works well as long as ss don't lose their code sheet. Haha! #langchat
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danieljyoo10/20/118:04 PMRT @mmebrady: #edchat #edtech #langchat Goalbook -- great website for setting goals with students! http://t.co/rYkWMb9B
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SECottrell10/20/118:04 PMActually #edchat discussed this topic in general several months ago. Their archive is here: http://t.co/FYygu6CH #langchat
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msfrenchteach10/20/118:04 PMRT @mmebrady: #langchat 2 posts on writing feedback http://t.co/Fods4Ss6 http://t.co/ZOuXiMPY #langchat
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SECottrell10/20/118:05 PM@klafrench jealous of you rural people who get an entire week - who ever heard of that?? #langchat
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klafrench10/20/118:05 PMHello, all! Joining you live from my fall break! :) Definitely worth the free PD! #langchat
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SECottrell10/20/118:05 PM@msfrenchteach sort of like an English teacher's correction codes? #langchat
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sleary102310/20/118:05 PMTell students what you are grading them on specifically in advance and have them practice editing a writing sample as a class.
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SECottrell10/20/118:05 PM@mmebrady it's a good start - but not just any feedback will produce real change in student product #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:06 PM@sleary1023 #langchat yes -- perr editing also works better if students are guided in their correction
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SECottrell10/20/118:06 PM@klafrench Oh, well, we had that last week, so now I can be less jealous ;) #langchat
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msfrenchteach10/20/118:06 PM@SECottrell I'm sure it is. I have a number that goes along with a grammatical point, like 1 = article #langchat
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SECottrell10/20/118:06 PM@klafrench agreed. One student asked me today if we could talk about how to integrate idiomatic expressions #langchat
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klafrench10/20/118:06 PM@SECottrell I don't get a week-just two days. But, long anticipated none the less. #langchat
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sraoconnor10/20/118:06 PMAgreed! RT @klafrench: Hello, all! Joining you live from my fall break! :) Definitely worth the free PD! #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:06 PM@SECottrell #langchat very true
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SECottrell10/20/118:06 PM@sleary1023 just their own writing sample? or peer as well? #langchat
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klafrench10/20/118:06 PMI think my rubrics this year provide really good feedback about what I am seeing in their writing/speaking. #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:06 PM@msfrenchteach #langchat that's the other reason I posted mine online
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SECottrell10/20/118:07 PM@msfrenchteach brings up a good point - what she's doing is error correction. Do you find that effective feedback? #langchat
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suarez71200210/20/118:07 PMGood evening from NKY! I attended a great workshop on feedback at the KWLA #langchat
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SunnyEarth110/20/118:07 PMRT @msfrenchteach: @SECottrell I have a number that goes along with a grammatical point, like 1 = article #langchat <--What a clever system!
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klafrench10/20/118:07 PMI also think that GoogleVoice is cool b/c you can send them what they recorded so they can hear what you are talking about. #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:07 PM@SECottrell #langchat WOW!! what an intelligent question!!
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msfrenchteach10/20/118:07 PMRT @sleary1023: Tell ss what you are grading them on specifically in advance & have them practice editing a sample as a class. #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:07 PM@SECottrell #langchat or even a Frankencollection of class errors
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SECottrell10/20/118:07 PM@klafrench because I'd kept circling the "idiomatic expression" detail on the next prof level up #langchat
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msfrenchteach10/20/118:08 PMRT @mmebrady: @SECottrell #langchat I think theres a time for error correction, and a time when it should be avoided #langchat
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klafrench10/20/118:08 PMI need to work more on giving feedback and not just correcting all their errors. #langchat
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msfrenchteach10/20/118:08 PM@SunnyEarth1 Thanks. It's not my own. I don't remember who gave it to me, but I really like that person. haha #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:08 PM@SECottrell #langchat I think there's a time for error correction, and a time when it should be avoided
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cadamsf110/20/118:08 PMI created a self assessment on survey monkey and we use it when they go to the lab. They identify if they hit the key point #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:08 PMRT @klafrench: I also think that GoogleVoice is cool b/c you can send them what they recorded so they can hear what you are talking about. #langchat
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sleary102310/20/118:09 PM@SECottrell Both! It's good to practice as a class with a sample and then edit each other's writing #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:09 PMRT @klafrench: I find that error correction while speaking/reading is something I hold back on. Writing is where I do a lot of correction. #langchat
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SECottrell10/20/118:09 PM@mmebrady tell us more - what is the right time for error correction? #langchat
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klafrench10/20/118:09 PMI find that error correction while speaking/reading is something I hold back on. Writing is where I do a lot of correction. #langchat
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SunnyEarth110/20/118:09 PMRT @msfrenchteach: RT @mmebrady: @SECottrell #langchat I think theres a time for error correction, and a time when it should be avoided #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:09 PM@cadamsf1 #langchat they can be downloaded as mp3 files
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mmebrady10/20/118:09 PMRT @klafrench: I need to work more on giving feedback and not just correcting all their errors. #langchat
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cadamsf110/20/118:09 PM@klafrench I have never sent them their recording. How do you do that part? #langchat
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SECottrell10/20/118:10 PM@mmebrady what kind of writing? interpersonal or presentational? #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:10 PM@cadamsf1 #langchat not familiar with soundcloud..will have to check it out
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klafrench10/20/118:10 PMI tried peer evaluation but I guess I need to direct that more. It was not as effective. #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:10 PMRT @suarez712002: @SECottrell @mmebrady when it interferes w/communication getting the message through #langchat
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cadamsf110/20/118:10 PM@mmebrady oh ok does it work like soundcloud? I use that and download the recordings and you can do error correction there. #langchat
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SECottrell10/20/118:10 PM@klafrench we all tend to do that because of our inner grammar teacher :) do you find it works? #langchat
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suarez71200210/20/118:10 PM@SECottrell @mmebrady when it interferes w/communication getting the message through #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:10 PM@SECottrell #langchat I do it more with assigned writing pieces -- when they know it's a draft
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SunnyEarth110/20/118:10 PMRT @klafrench: I find that error correction while speaking/reading is something I hold back on. Writing is where I do a lot of correction. #langchat
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klafrench10/20/118:10 PM@cadamsf1 There is an e-mail option. Great to show parents their production in language as well. #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:11 PM@klafrench #langchat yes -- they def need direction, or they often say "it's perfect"
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klafrench10/20/118:11 PMPhotopeach allows you to make comments on the student's video. That could be a great way to provide good feedback. #langchat
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cadamsf110/20/118:11 PM@SECottrell I like the error correction is particularly effective with recordings that are submitted #langchat
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SECottrell10/20/118:11 PMSo @suarez712002 finds error correction necessary when meaning is compromised... is it effective? #langchat
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msfrenchteach10/20/118:11 PM@SECottrell Yes, I find it to be effective feedback with regards to error correction. Less time consuming & always consistent code #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:11 PM@SECottrell #langchat def presentational -- interpersonal is NOT corrected for errors
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msfrenchteach10/20/118:12 PM@SECottrell Effective feedback to me also means commenting on a personal level. Hey, I read what u wrote & here are my thoughts. #langchat
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suarez71200210/20/118:12 PM@SECottrell I found it effective when I learned EFL #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:12 PM@klafrench #langchat another great idea I'll have to check out...
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SECottrell10/20/118:12 PMWhen I ask if error correction is effective, I mean - do you see the error consistently self-corrected after your correction? #langchat
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cadamsf110/20/118:12 PMRT @klafrench: Photopeach allows you to make comments on the students video. That could be a great way to provide good feedback. #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:13 PM#langchat addressing common errors to the class as a whole is also important
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suarez71200210/20/118:13 PM@SECottrell it's always going to depend on what is corrected certain things are just acquired at a later time #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:13 PMRT @SECottrell: RT @msfrenchteach: Effective feedback to me also means commenting on a personal level. #langchat
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cadamsf110/20/118:13 PM@klafrench I find it works well if they are looking for agreement, intro, etc- with 2-3 specific items #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:13 PM@SECottrell #langchat that depends if students use the feedback to correct their drafts
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SECottrell10/20/118:13 PMRT @msfrenchteach: Effective feedback to me also means commenting on a personal level. #langchat
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cadamsf110/20/118:14 PM@SECottrell for me it depends on the type of error. I agree some take time to acquire but others are a matter of thinking b4 speak #langchat
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sraoconnor10/20/118:14 PMI think different kids respond differently to corrections. Some are pretty analytical and want details and where as others..... #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:14 PMRT @klafrench: Knowing your students well definitely helps you give them better feedback. Shows them you care about their success. #langchat
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klafrench10/20/118:14 PMKnowing your students well definitely helps you give them better feedback. Shows them you care about their success. #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:14 PMRT @msfrenchteach: @SECottrell Ah, I see. I wouldn't say that it sticks everytime & w/every stdnt, of course, but it does make a difference so far. #langchat
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suarez71200210/20/118:14 PM2 types of feedback 1) evaluative 2) descriptive #langchat
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msfrenchteach10/20/118:14 PM@SECottrell Ah, I see. I wouldn't say that it sticks everytime & w/every stdnt, of course, but it does make a difference so far. #langchat
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SECottrell10/20/118:14 PMWhat I'm driving at is that research consistently shows that error correction is not usually effective in changing production #langchat
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SECottrell10/20/118:15 PM@sraoconnor @cadamsf1 the ones who want analytical details so they can think before they speak are accessing their "monitor" #langchat
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cadamsf110/20/118:15 PMRT @klafrench: Knowing your sts well definitely helps you give them better feedback. Shows them you care about their success. #langchat
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SECottrell10/20/118:15 PM@mmebrady @suarez712002 a strength of error correction is in consistent patterns of error #langchat
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ProfeEspanol10/20/118:16 PMCualquier is an adjetive for both masc n fem nouns. Cualquiera is the pronoun for also both masc n fem nouns. #español #langchat #language
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SECottrell10/20/118:16 PMAn AP student can make errors and score a 5 as long as the errors are not patterned #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:16 PM@SECottrell #langchat that's why I think it's impotant to have both error corrected & non corrected situatrions
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suarez71200210/20/118:16 PM1)evalfeedback: it expresses judgement 2) desc feedback: info about performance, product etc #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:16 PM@SECottrell #langchat yes -- I just posted to my site an exam review sugg-- review feedback, don't make the same mistakes, make new 1s
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SECottrell10/20/118:16 PM@sraoconnor @cadamsf1 a la @skrashen, that is, and they typically don't increase communicativeness that way #langchat
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cadamsf110/20/118:17 PMRT @suarez712002: 1)evalfeedback: it expresses judgement 2) desc feedback: info about performance, product etc #langchat
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mmebrady10/20/118:17 PM@SECottrell #langchat I would say descriptive...is attaching a grade part of the distinction?
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msfrenchteach10/20/118:17 PMThanks goodness! ;) RT @SECottrell: An AP student can make errors and score a 5 as long as the errors are not patterned #langchat
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SECottrell10/20/118:17 PM@suarez712002 which do we do more? which should we do more? evaluative or descriptive? #langchat
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suarez71200210/20/118:17 PM@SECottrell @mmebrady "fossilisation" #langchat
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SECottrell10/20/118:18 PM@mmebrady I don't know... I don't attach a grade to any of my assessments, but I do "judge", and also describe #langchat