The Grice is Right: Grice’s Non-Cooperation Problem�and the Structure of Conversation
Sam Berstler – MIT
Workshop on Genre and Conversation
Reykjavík, Iceland – 5 June 2024
The Grice is Right: Grice’s Non-Cooperation Problem�and the Structure of Conversation
Sam Berstler – MIT
Workshop on Genre and Conversation
Reykjavík, Iceland – 5 June 2024
Now with genre
two hugely influential �(also insane?) ideas�about conversation
two hugely influential �(also insane?) ideas�about conversation
Cooperative Principle
Make your contribution such as is required, at the stage at which it occurs, by the accepted purpose or direction of the talk exchange in which you are engaged.
` Grice (1989 [1967]: 26)
two hugely influential �(also insane?) ideas�about conversation
Cooperative Principle
Make your contribution such as is required, at the stage at which it occurs, by the accepted purpose or direction of the talk exchange in which you are engaged.
` Grice (1989 [1967]: 26)
Speakers lie.
Speakers bullshit.
Speakers intimidate.
Speakers badger.
Speakers manipulate.
Speakers show-off.
Speakers derogate.
Speakers one-up.
Does one of the most influential theories in twentieth-century philosophy of language rest on a basic mistake?
this talk’s proposal
some theory about genre
In order to make my case, I will need to investigate the structure of supposed “non-cooperative” conversations.
And to do that, I will propose five sub-types of conversations:
1. Basic conversations
2. Transparently fabricated conversations
3. Opaquely fabricated conversations
4. Shelled conversations
5. Ostensified conversations
Types 2-5 are transformations of basic conversations.
some theory about genre
In order to make my case, I will need to investigate the structure of supposed “non-cooperative” conversations.
And to do that, I will propose five sub-types of conversations:
1. Basic conversations
2. Fabricated conversations
3. Splintered conversations
4. Shelled conversations
5. Ostensified conversations
Types 2-5 are transformations of basic conversations.
We’ll see that my taxonomy is (I think?) consistent with Dan and Elmar’s.
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Theory of conversation
Theory of conversational implicature
Grice’s “Logic and Conversation”
1. Grice used his theory of conversation to motivate his theory of implicature.
2. The Non-Cooperation Problem arises within the theory of conversational implicature.
3. I will theorize more about conversation in order to resolve the Non-Cooperation Problem.
What is a conversation?
The hallmark of a conversation is “the common purpose or set of purposes” that motivates the interlocutors to talk and explains why they are talking in the way that they do.
(Grice (1989 [1967]: 26)
What is a conversation?
goal
Rational constraints on interlocutors
Basic conversational structure
types of goals
Exchanging information about some question
Making a decision
Giving and receiving instructions
Passing the time in an entertaining way
Negotiating or shoring up our relationships
What is a conversation?
goal
Rational constraints on interlocutors
Basic conversational structure
types of goals
Exchanging information about some question
Making a decision
Giving and receiving instructions
Passing the time in an entertaining way
Negotiating or shoring up our relationships
Cooperative Principle
Make your contribution such as is required, at the stage at which it occurs, by the accepted purpose or direction of the talk exchange in which you are engaged.
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What the Cooperative Principle says
What the Cooperative Principle doesn’t say
Sam knows that Henry is secretly plotting to kill Rachel’s dog. In a conversation with Rachel about the new House of the Dragon series, Sam doesn’t tell Rachel about Henry’s plot.
Sam knows that Henry is secretly plotting to kill Rachel’s dog. In a conversation with Rachel about the new House of the Dragon series, Sam doesn’t tell Rachel about Henry’s plot.
Intuitively uncooperative? YES!
Sam is not prosocial.
A violation of the Cooperative Principle? NO!
Sam doesn’t undermine their shared conversational goal.
Gordon is the chef of a kitchen. Polina hands him a plate of stake. Gordon says, “You dingbat! This is RAW! Do it again, idiot!”
Gordon is the chef of a kitchen. Polina hands him a plate of stake. Gordon says, “You dingbat! This is RAW! Do it again, idiot!”
Intuitively uncooperative? YES!
Gordon doesn’t do what Polina wishes he would.
A violation of the Cooperative Principle? NO!
Gordon doesn’t undermine their shared conversational goal.
The Four Maxims
goal
Rational constraints on interlocutors
Basic conversational structure
Quality: speak truly; do not say things for which you
lack adequate evidence
Quantity: say no more or less than is required
Relation: be relevant
Manner: be perspicuous
(Grice 1989 [1967]: 26-27)
The Four Maxims
goal
Rational constraints on interlocutors
Basic conversational structure
Quality: speak truly; do not say things for which you
lack adequate evidence
Quantity: say no more or less than is required
Relation: be relevant
Manner: be perspicuous
(Grice 1989 [1967]: 26-27)
“the following of [these Maxims] will, in general, yield results in accordance with the Cooperative Principle”
(Grice 1989 [1967]: 26-27)
Not Maxims
goal
Rational constraints on interlocutors
Basic conversational structure
Be polite
Conform to social norms
Foster your relationships
Construct your linguistic persona
(Grice 1989 [1967]: 26-27)
Grice: We do these things within a conversation but not because of the goal that motivates us to talk to each other.
Occasional goal
goal
Rational constraints on interlocutors
Basic conversational structure
Interlocutors in a conversation c share an occasional goal g iff they jointly share g in c and the fact that they share g in c explains why they are having c.
(Grice 1989 [1967]: 26-27)
occasional joint goals exchanging information
making a decision
non-occasional joint goals
saving face
obeying the rules of morality
negotiating our level of intimacy
[A]nyone who cares about the goals that are central to conversation / communication (such as giving and receiving information, influencing and being influenced by others) must be expected to have an interest, given suitable circumstances, in participation in talk exchanges that will be profitable only on the assumption that they are conducted in general accordance with the Cooperative Principle and the maxims.
(Grice 1989 [1967]: 30)
[A]nyone who cares about the goals that are central to conversation / communication (such as giving and receiving information, influencing and being influenced by others) must be expected to have an interest, given suitable circumstances, in participation in talk exchanges that will be profitable only on the assumption that they are conducted in general accordance with the Cooperative Principle and the maxims.
(Grice 1989 [1967]: 30)
Grice’s Genre Problem
goal
Rational constraints on interlocutors
Basic conversational structure
There are many kinds of conversations in which:
(a) we jointly share some occasional goal g,
(b) the fact that we jointly share g does not give us
reason to conform to the Four Maxims.
Eliot and his mortal nemesis Dan are trash talking each other by telling “Yo Mama” jokes. The person who wins is either the person who tells the cleverest joke or the person who first loses his temper.
Eliot and his mortal nemesis Dan are trash talking each other by telling “Yo Mama” jokes. The person who wins is either the person who tells the cleverest joke or the person who first loses his temper.
In virtue of jointly aiming to play an insult game, are Dan and Eliot required to conform to Quality? NO!
Ethan and Henry are “vibing” (cf. Nowak and Nguyen MS). They are drunkenly and aimlessly riffing on what each other says.
Ethan and Henry are “vibing” (cf. Nowak and Nguyen MS). They are drunkenly and aimlessly riffing on what each other says.
In virtue of jointly aiming to vibe, are Ethan and Henry required to conform to Relevance and Manner? NO!
Grice’s Non-Cooperation Problem
goal
Rational constraints on interlocutors
Basic conversational structure
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Theory of conversation
Theory of conversational implicature
Grice’s “Logic and Conversation”
The Non-Cooperation Problem arises from within Grice’s theory of conversational implicature.
What did you think of that bar?
The music was too loud.
What did you think of that bar?
I have a headache now.
Karen means: I didn’t like it because the music was too loud. I have a headache now.
What did you think of that bar?
I have a headache now.
Karen means: I didn’t like it because the music was too loud. I have a headache now.
Assertion: I have a headache now.
Conversational implicature: I didn’t like it because the music was too loud.
Conversational implicature
Q1. How does Peter know what Karen meant?
Q2. Why can Karen reasonably expect Peter to know what she means?
What did you think of that bar?
I have a headache now.
Conversational implicature
Q1. How does Peter know what Karen meant?
A. Inference to the best explanation. What intentions should Peter impute to Karen that best explain her conversational act?
What did you think of that bar?
I have a headache now.
Bach 2013; Schiffer 2001; Harris 2016;
Buchanan and Schiller 2021
Conversational implicature
Q1. How does Peter know what Karen meant?
A. Inference to the best explanation. What intentions should Peter impute to Karen that best explain her conversational act?
What did you think of that bar?
I have a headache now.
Bach 2013; Schiffer 2001; Harris 2016;
Buchanan and Schiller 2021
But without language to guide Karen and Peter, how does this happen?
Conversational implicature
Conversational implicature
Common Knowledge
A and B jointly know that p iff
A and B know that p,
A and B know that A and B know that p,
A and B know that A and B know that A and
B know that p,
et cetera…
(Lewis 1969)
goal
Rational constraints on interlocutors
Basic conversational structure
Karen and Peter jointly know their shared occasional goal.
So they jointly know (roughly) the rational constraints on them.
So they jointly know (roughly) the conversation’s basic structure.
(Grice 1989 [1967]: 26-27)
Gricean reasoning
Karen expects Peter to reason as follows (and Peter knows that Karen expects him to reason as follows and Karen knows that….)
What did you think of that bar?
I have a headache now.
Grice’s Hypothesis:
Interlocutors’ joint knowledge that they are conforming to the Cooperative Principle partially explains and justifies their joint knowledge that S conversationally implicated p.
What did you think of that bar?
I have a headache now.
Grice’s Hypothesis:
Interlocutors’ joint knowledge that they are conforming to the Cooperative Principle partially explains and justifies their joint knowledge that S conversationally implicated p.
What did you think of that bar?
I have a headache now.
Grice’s Non-Cooperation Problem
goal
Rational constraints on interlocutors
Basic conversational structure
The Non-Cooperation Problem arises when
(a) a speaker successfully conversationally implicates that p,
(b) interlocutors’ joint knowledge that they are
conforming to the CP cannot explain how the speaker
and addressee jointly know that the speaker has implicated p,
and
(c) (b) is the case because the speakers aren’t cooperating
in the needed sense.
Have you ever had a Swiss bank account?
My company had one there for about six months.
Similar examples used in Asher (2012), Asher and Lascarides (2013), Stokke (2016), Keiser (2023), and Beaver and Stanley (2023)
Have you ever had a bank account in Zurich?
My company had one there for about six months.
Sam means: I never had a personal one but my company had one in Switzerland for about six months.
Two versions of the situation
Have you ever had a Swiss bank account?
My company had one there for about six months.
Incisive investigator:
Before the interview, Christiane already knows that Sam is laundering money through his personal account in Zurich, but Sam doesn’t know this.
Open antagonism:
Christine and Sam jointly know that Sam is laundering money through his personal account in Zurich.
…that’s good evidence Sam made the implicature
Have you ever had a Swiss bank account?
My company had one there for about six months.
Even in these scenarios, Christiane can follow up:
1. Why did you never bother to open an account there yourself?
2. If you never opened an account there yourself,
why did you travel to Zurich so often?
3. So you never had a personal bank account in
Switzerland. Am I understanding you right?
MAJOR�PROBLEM �INCOMING
Have you ever had a Swiss bank account?
My company had one there for about six months.
Gricean prediction
Have you ever had a Swiss bank account?
My company had one there for about six months.
Christiane reasons:
Gricean prediction
Have you ever had a Swiss bank account?
My company had one there for about six months.
Christiane reasons:
Gricean prediction
Have you ever had a Swiss bank account?
My company had one there for about six months.
Christine reasons:
Problems for Christiane
In both scenarios, Christine knows that Sam does not want to provide her with information about his Swiss bank account.
So Christine knows that Sam is not rationally required to answer her question.
Gricean prediction
Have you ever had a Swiss bank account?
My company had one there for about six months.
Christine reasons:
Problems for Sam
In the open antagonism variant (they jointly know about Sam’s money laundering), Sam has no reason to expect Christine to believe that he is cooperating with her.
So Sam has no reason to expect Christine to reason to (3).
Grice’s Hypothesis:
Interlocutors’ joint knowledge that they are conforming to the Cooperative Principle partially explains and justifies their joint knowledge that S conversationally implicated p.
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Two Key Insights
Some tools
A accepts that p for the sake of a conversation c iff she acts as if p for the sake of c.
p is common ground in c just in case A and B jointly accept p for the sake of c.
A presupposes that p for the sake of a conversation c iff they accept that p is common ground for the sake of c.
(Stalnaker 2014, cf. 2002)
A accepts that p for the sake of a conversation c iff she acts as if p for the sake of c.
p is common ground in c just in case A and B jointly accept that p for the sake of c.
A presupposes that p for the sake of a conversation c iff A accepts that p is common ground for the sake of c.
(Stalnaker 2014, cf. 2002)
The “playing ground” of the conversation; target of our speech acts; what we rely on in order to coordinate.
A accepts that p for the sake of a conversation c iff she acts as if p for the sake of c.
p is common ground in c just in case A and B jointly accept that p for the sake of c.
A presupposes that p for the sake of a conversation c iff A accepts that p is common ground for the sake of c.
(Stalnaker 2014, cf. 2002)
A can accept p when she doesn’t believe p.
A can fail to accept p when she believes p
A accepts that p for the sake of a conversation c iff she acts as if p for the sake of c.
p is common ground in c just in case A and B jointly accept that p for the sake of c.
A presupposes that p for the sake of a conversation c iff A accepts that p is common ground for the sake of c.
(Stalnaker 2014, cf. 2002)
A is “taking p for granted” or “treating it as background.”
Joint beliefs
Common Ground
(for c)
Joint
beliefs
Common Ground
(for c)
Common Ground
(for c)
Joint
beliefs
Common Ground
(for c)
Joint
beliefs
Pretense
Simple conversation
Assuming
Ignoring
Meta-conversational presuppositions
meta-conversational
Why we are talking
How intimate we are
How much hierarchy exists between us
What kinds of social norms are we going to follow
(meta)-/linguistic
What the word “tall” means
What day it is
Who the speakers are
Apparent goals
.
Some set of interlocutors appear to share a goal g in a conversation c iff the common ground in c entails that they share g
In the target cases, interlocutors individually or jointly aim to appear to exchange information with each other about some topic.
Genre
.
We can use the relationship between the appearance of an occasional goal and the reality (or non-reality) of an occasional goal in order to taxonomize conversations.
Have you read the King of Iceland’s latest book?
Have you read the King of Iceland’s latest book?
Have you ever had a Swiss bank account?
My company had one there for about six months.
Have you ever had a Swiss bank account?
My company had one there for about six months.
Have you ever had a Swiss bank account?
My company had one there for about six months.
Why are they presupposing this? And why does this presupposition make it rational for Sam to answer Christiane?
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the transformation strategy
In Frame Analysis, Goffman proposes that humans have a repertoire of basic activities. We can impose a frame to transform basic activities in non-basic ones:
Basic Activities
vacuuming
making out
solving a calculus problem
Transformed Activities
demonstrating how to use a vacuum
making out in a movie
solving a calculus problem as part of a test
the transformation strategy
I propose a Gricean-Goffmanian mash-up. We can define conversational transformations over basic conversations. We define basic conversations in terms of the occasional goals interlocutors jointly pursue in the simplest kinds of conversations.
One advantage: we don’t need to decide from the out-set what the class of occasional goals are.
plausible basic goals
Exchanging information about some question
Telling a story
Making a decision
Giving and receiving instructions
Passing the time in an entertaining way
Fabricated conversations
Opaquely fabricated conversations
Transparently fabricated conversations
Shelled conversations
Ostensified conversations
Basic conversations
Some interlocutors appear to jointly share a goal g in a conversation c iff the common ground in c entails that they jointly share g.
A joint goal is apparent in a conversation iff the interlocutors appear to jointly share it.
A joint goal is real in a conversation iff the interlocutors jointly share it.
If some interlocutors jointly share two goals g and g*, then g nests g* iff they share g in virtue of sharing g* but not the other way around. The highest goal in a nested chain is the occasional goal.
If some interlocutors appear to jointly share two goals g and g*, then g nests g* iff they appear to share g in virtue of appearing to share g* but not the other way around. The highest goal in a nested chain is the apparent occasional goal.
If some interlocutors jointly share two goals g and g*, then g nests g* iff they share g in virtue of sharing g* but not the other way around. The highest goal in a nested chain is the occasional goal.
If some interlocutors jointly share two goals g and g*, then g nests g* iff they share g in virtue of sharing g* but not the other way around. The highest goal in a nested chain is the occasional goal.
Pelpp.
In order to make a decision about where to eat, Peppa and Rachel are discussing what they know about two restaurants.
The goal of deciding what to do nests the goal of exchanging information.
If some interlocutors appear to jointly share two goals g and g*, then g nests g* iff they appear to share g in virtue of appearing to share g* but not the other way around. The highest goal in a nested chain is the apparent occasional goal.
An apparent goal g is pinned in a conversation c by some joint goal g* iff interlocutors appear to share g in virtue of actually sharing g.*
Pelpp.
Basic conversations
Common Ground
What’s Really Going On
Basic conversations
A conversation is basic iff
for each occasional goal g and each goal g* that g nests:
(a) g is an apparent goal,
(b) if g nests g*, it is common ground that g
nests g*,
And for each apparent occasional goal g and each goal g* that g nests:
(a) g is a real joint goal,
(b) g pins itself, and
(b) if it is common ground that g nests g*,
then g nests g*.
Basic conversations
We jointly know that…
We aim to settle on a plan of action to debate how killed the gardener.
We aim to discuss which restaurant is better in order to pick a restaurant to go to.
It’s common ground that…
We aim to settle on a plan of action to debate how killed the gardener.
We aim to discuss which restaurant is better in order to pick a restaurant to go to.
Fabricated conversations
Common Ground
What’s Really Going On
Fabricated conversations
A conversation is fabricated iff some apparent occasional goal g or some apparent goal g* that g nests is unpinned.
Fabricated conversations
Common Ground
Sam’s individual goal
Sam and Christiane share the goal of exchanging information about Sam’s bank accounts.
Christiane’s individual goal
trick Sam (into thinking I don’t know that he’s tricking me)
trick Christiane
Opaquely & transparently fabricated conversations
A conversation is opaquely fabricated iff one or both parties intends for the other not to know that the conversation is fabricated.
A conversation is transparently fabricated iff both parties are indifferent to whether the other knows that the conversation is fabricated.
Transparent fabrication
Common Ground
Sam’s individual goal
Sam and Christiane share the goal of exchanging information about Sam’s bank accounts.
Christiane’s individual goal
Christiane wants the audience to think she is taking Sam at face value (but has no intention of tricking Sam into believing this)
Sam wants the audience to think he is sincere and cooperative (but has no intention of tricking Christiane)
Opaquely & transparently fabricated conversations
Because all interlocutors want to make themselves intelligible to each other, it is rational for them to align their presuppositions with each other.
If they have an apparent fabricated joint goal, they will still act so that the common ground entails that they are and ought to conform to the CP.
Cooperative Principle
Make your contribution such as is required, at the stage at which it occurs, by the accepted purpose or direction of the talk exchange in which you are engaged.
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Shelled conversations
Common Ground
What’s Really Going On
Shelled conversations
A conversation is shelled iff either its occasional goal g or some goal g* that g nests is not apparent.
Informally, the main reason we’re talking is off-the-record.
Shelled conversations
Insight from Goffman and later social theorists:
if we are talking for a primarily social purpose, we often tacitly keep that social purpose non-apparent.
Shelled conversations
Common Ground
Ethan and Henry are talking about Henry’s latest publication.
They are doing this primarily because they want to reaffirm their respect and like for each other.
Ethan: # Hey, we haven’t talked in a while, so I want to make sure we’re still buddies. So to do that, how about you tell me about your latest publication?
Shelled conversations
Common Ground
Eliot and Dan are vibing.
They are doing this primarily because they want to compete to see who can make the better off-color joke a bout metaphysics.
Dan: # Ha, my joke was better than yours. I totally won that round.
Ostensification
Ostensification is a special kind of shelled conversation.
Ostensification occurs when the real joint goal that pins the apparent occasional joint goal is merely to maintain that appearance.
Ostensification is a widespread social strategy.
Ostensification
Common Ground
Sam and Justin are exchanging information.
Sam and Justin jointly aim to appear to exchange information…
…in order to shore up their relationship
Ostensification
Common Ground
Justin: Your work is really interesting.
Sam: # I know we’re just going through these motions in order to express that we each other as colleagues, but I appreciate it, and I respect you too.
Sam and Justin jointly aim to appear to exchange information…
…in order to shore up their relationship
Sam and Justin are exchanging information.
Ostensification
Common Ground
Sam and Justin are exchanging information.
Sam and Justin jointly aim to appear to exchange information…
…in order to compete to see who can make better passive aggressive remarks in a faculty meeting.
Ostensification
Common Ground
Sam and Justin are exchanging information.
Sam and Justin jointly aim to appear to exchange information…
…in order to compete to see who can make better passive aggressive remarks in a faculty meeting.
Justin: Of course you would like that candidate.
Sam: # I know you’re insulting me, but we’re pretending that we’re being nice to each other to play a little game.
Ostensification
Common Ground
Justin is inviting Sam to a party.
Sam and Justin jointly aim to appear as if Justin is inviting Sam to a party…
…in order to express respect for each other, even though Justin isn’t really inviting Sam
Ostensified conversations
These interlocutors actually share the goal of keeping it common ground that they have some apparent joint goal g. In order to do that, they will act so that the common ground entails that they ought to and are conforming to the Cooperative Principle.
Cooperative Principle
Make your contribution such as is required, at the stage at which it occurs, by the accepted purpose or direction of the talk exchange in which you are engaged.
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Why should I care?
There’s more to say, but in the meantime, tell me why I’m wrong.
I am slow on email, but emails are always welcome:
berstler@mit.edu