My experience with the industry job market
My career path so far
College
Pure & Applied Mathematics
Pre-Med
Graduate School
(Masters)
Pure & Applied Mathematics
Astronomy
Graduate School
(PhD)
International Experience
Postdoc
Science
Survey Management
Industry
Astronomy
Data Science
Academia
Tips for if you know you want to leave
Take survey management positions in astronomy and use a summer for an internship.
Make your publication data public, including the software (GitHub), and release it in an interactive fashion (i.e. Filtergraph).
Make sure you code in Python. R is good to learn, but not necessary.
Incorporate some version of machine learning and basic statistics in your research.
Set up a LinkedIn account, and contact folks who have already left astronomy.
Industry Work Culture
Generally 9-5 Monday to Friday is respected.
Not my job is a legitimate complaint.
A lot of delegation can exist in some companies.
Usually you will be given a project and expected to complete it, and generally there isn’t a research think-tank.
Deadlines are real and have real consequences for delays.
In astronomy we are used to communicating with Astronomers, Mathematicians, Physicists, but in industry you will interact with Marketers, Engineers, MBAs, IT, etc.
In my experience, a hostile workplace culture is common in industry.
Usually 3-5 years experience in all categories...can include postgraduate work.
Typical required skills:
Good to have skills:
Unnecessary skills:
Data Science Positions
Updating your CV: No more than 2 pages for a Postdoc, 1 page for a graduate student
Make sure you include a specific cover letter with each application.
Talk about what you produced, not the science results.
Include grants awarded, press releases, and international experience/languages.
Teaching isn’t something to include, but mentoring is.
Do not highlight every paper’s result.
Avoid astronomy terms, even basic ones.
A Business Resume
Interview Preparation
Google common interview questions and write them down.
Read up on machine learning, coding skills, and job requirements you don’t have.
Have a good answer for why you want to leave astronomy and/or why you want to join Company-X. This is always asked.
For tough questions, or terms you don’t understand, it is OK to ask for more clarification. I always tried to relate stuff back to astronomy. They aren’t always looking for the correct answer, just some type of answer. If you can, avoid saying I don’t know.
Afterwards, follow up with a ‘thank-you’ email.
General Timeline of Application Process
Submit Application
(within a week of job post)
HR Phone Screen
Rejected
<2-5 business days
> a business week
You may or may not receive a notice of rejection....
You likely will be called at this point if you are rejected.
1-2 weeks
1-2 weeks
2-3 weeks
“On-site”
Technical Interview
Possible Director/VP Interview
Formal Offer
& Negotiation
(this may take weeks)
Informal Job Offer
2-3 weeks
2-3 weeks
Generally, it is reasonable to send a follow up email after 2 weeks of any step. However, you should not expect a response.
Manager
Phone Screen
Timeline of Events for my Sysco Position
End of July ‘18 - Application Submitted
August 2 - phone screen
August 9 - phone interview with manager
September 12 - On-site interview with Manager and VP
September 28 - Rejection email
October 2018 - Call back about possible future position
April 18 - Request for interview for new position
May 2 - On-site interview
May 16 - Informal phone offer from Manager
May 29 - Formal offer from HR
May 30 - Counter offer sent
June 3 - Acceptance
June 5 to 13 - Background check etc
June 13 - Good to go
July 1 - Start date
If you get an offer, congratulations!
Offer - Usually everything is negotiable, and you should negotiate. This is usually done with HR, but sometimes with the general manager.
Start date (usually 2-3 weeks from when you accept), salary (always ask for more), signing bonus (ask for one if they don’t give you one), vacation days (2 weeks is standard for starting in industry, but ∞ weeks is pretty standard in academia). This is your only time to negotiate this, and if you don’t ask you won’t get it. You won’t have the offer rescinded if you ask for something.
Background Check and Drug Test - Be aware these exist. Usually, you will not want to ‘hand-in-notice’ until you pass both the background check and drug test.
Contact Info
Email: ryanjamesoelkers@gmail.com
Phone: (267) 261-9337