Histopathology and the coronial non-forensic autopsy
Sebastian Lucas
Some obvious points about autopsy histopathology
MoJ Coroner Stats 2022
| 2011 |
| comment |
Non-standard PMs = special + forensic | 4263 | 4920 | Small increase |
Toxicology taken | 13% | 25% 25% | Increase ++ [mainly alcohol] |
Histology taken | 19% | 21% 23% | Increase |
Message: proportion of autopsied complex cases increasing
Not enough histopathology investigation (personal rate >80%)
In the old days: Prof William St Clair Symmers’ memoir from the 1940s [‘Exotica’, publ 1984]
AT-03-119
Kidney = intravascular B-cell lymphoma
CD20
Case
Case - autopsy
Case - spleen
Case - spleen
Case - spleen
Spleen = mastocytosis …..associated with duodenal ulceration
Mast cell tryptase
Giemsa
Contents
What happened
Coronial autopsy histology – the law and regulations
Coroner & Justice Act 2009
Coroners (Investigations) Regulations 2013
Preservation or retention of material from a post-mortem examination [Regulations 2013]
14.—(1) Where a suitable practitioner conducts a post-mortem examination under section 14 and preserves or retains material which in his or her opinion relates to the cause of death or identity of the deceased, he or she must provide the coroner with written notification of that fact.
(2) A suitable practitioner who preserves or retains material under paragraph (1) must provide the coroner with a written notification that—
(a) identifies the material being preserved or retained; and
(b) explains why that practitioner is of the opinion set out in paragraph (1).
(3) A written notification under paragraph (2) may—
(a) specify the period of time for which the suitable practitioner believes the material should be preserved or retained; and
(b) specify different periods of time in relation to different preserved or retained material.
(4) On receiving a notification under paragraph (1), the coroner must notify the suitable practitioner of the period of time for which he or she requires the material to be preserved or retained for the purposes of fulfilling his or her functions under the 2009 Act.
(5) On making the notification under paragraph (4) the coroner must also notify, where known—
(a) the next of kin or personal representative of the deceased; and
(b) any other relative of the deceased who has notified the coroner of his or her desire to be represented at the post-mortem examination,
that material is being preserved or retained, the period or periods for which it is required to be preserved or retained and the options for dealing with the material under paragraph (6) once the period or periods of preservation or retention has or have expired.
(6) The options for dealing with material are—
(a) disposal of the material by burial, cremation or other lawful disposal by the suitable practitioner;
(b) return of the material to a person listed in sub-paragraph (a) or (b) of paragraph (5); or
(c) retention of the material with the consent of a person listed in sub-paragraph (a) or (b) of paragraph (5) for medical research or other purposes in accordance with the Human Tissue Act 2004.
Scotland regulations
Morbid anatomy histology
It is not like SURGICAL PATHOLOGY
It is GENERAL PATHOLOGY on a whole-body scale
My contention
Autopsy evaluations in 3-D
Multiple organs pathology
Other pathology data
Haem, micro etc
Imaging data
TIME
Evolution of disease
Clinical story
What do I see at ~215 autopsies a year?
What do I see at ~215 autopsies a year?
What do I see
What do I see – more depressing
What do I see – niche interests
Solid airless lung in COVID-19 disease
Pulmonary thromboembolism
Calf muscle deep vein thrombosis –��real or post-mortem? ��old or recent?��Does this matter?
Lines of Zahn – alternate blood RBC & thrombus
Not true DVT – just a mass of RBC
Outcomes of thrombosis
DVT - �No attachment or organisation at intima-clot interface = acute thrombosis
Ongoing DVT – organisation��= ongoing, some days
Acute fatal PE��No organisation
Lung PE - chronic organisation = old process
Medicolegal aspects of fatal DVT & VTE
Issues
Maternal VTE
Evaluation of the chronology of VTE is most useful
DVT & VTE at autopsy
Analytics
Drug effects
‘Pneumonia’ – an imprecise blanket term
Pneumococcal pneumonia
Gram+ve diplococci (Str.pneumoniae)
A better Case…………
Diagnostic gross appearance….
Acute meningitis
Gram+ve diplococci
COPD – emphysema – asthma?
Asthma:�clinically over-diagnosed.��In the elderly, it is usually emphysema
��Hyper-inflated lungs��Bronchiole constriction��Thickened basement membrane��Muscle hypertrophy��Eosinophil-rich luminal inflammation��Charcot-Leyden crystals
F 53yr, known IVDU, heroin dependent, brought dead in van to A&E by her family
If you are taking toxicology samples, always take histology
What do you do if the tox comes back negative?
Unresolved non-uniformity in diagnostic coronial requirements
One reason for pathologists stopping coronial autopsy work – or never starting – is difficulty in obtaining permission to examine histology from an autopsy
How do you learn autopsy histopathology?
Fall back position
What to sample?
Grades and Fees of coronial autopsy
STANDARD – usually no investigations, gross examination and a cause of death
SPECIAL – needs ‘special skills’ and histopathology, +/- toxicology
FORENSIC CASES - ?homicide etc
Done by specialist forensic pathologists on Home Office Register
Coroners (Investigation) Regulations 2013
You have to get to know how your local coroner operates
Regular discussion with pathologists?
Does she/he want accurate causes of death?
Does she/he respect the pathologists?