08:12:53 From Aiman Nait Abbou to Everyone : I can't hear anything, I will reboot my machine
08:30:26 From MyData Global to Everyone : My slides are accessible here http://bit.ly/mydata-digital-ethics
08:48:46 From Lassi Virtanen to Everyone : Work computer, can’t join
08:54:09 From Jere Hirviniemi to Everyone : Topic: Mobility
We have HSL trasportation data and possibility of tracking.
Google stores personal navigational data.
Company using users personal navigational data should ask for permission.
Not many that kind of companies in Finland.
Uber is not transparent with its data use.
Separation of data from different companies could be improved.
08:54:26 From Valtteri Valtonen to Everyone : For the application area:
Access to market is easy through appstores and freemium apps. Using these fully requires giving data. The fairness of that is questionable.
08:55:15 From Matthew Hallonbacka to Everyone : We discussed mobility data, and contrasted public transport in the HSL area (it’s possible to get around without leaving an easily searchable trace) and in London (the metadata is much heavier and more comprehensive. London’s model is probably more functional, but HSLs feels fairer as the passenger.
08:55:23 From Ilomäki Risto to Everyone : Finance and insurance: if user would be able sell his/her data, how would it be prized? Would data of rich and poor people be of different prices?
08:55:56 From Valtteri Helaakoski to Everyone : Skills and Learning: related to university education, at Aalto, student data is mostly "anonymized" through student numbers. Apparently this is not so at other uni's, atleast in Bangladesh
08:56:01 From George Ananov to Everyone : Energy sector: the situation is not exactly fair. People who own their own houses or apartments have more control over what is collected about them, than those who live in rental apartments
08:56:02 From Anna Valldeoriola Cardó to Everyone : Our topic was health and we thought that it is a topic that is quite fair nowadays, with high levels of protection, but it could be more functional. Fortunately in Finland, the individual has good access to its own data, but it is still difficult to put it to use to find treatments or benefit the society in some way except from participating in trials, which may be difficult or not enough promoted.
08:56:13 From Georg to Everyone : We talked about healthcare field in Finland:
- The Omakanta system is quite transparent, also inclusive since its available for everyone
- As a governmental system it's monopolized and that shows in bad implementation (little incentive to improve)
08:56:26 From Anni Kivilaakso to Everyone : Health
- Health data necessarily always inclusive (e.g. focus on certain gro
- Privacy needs to be taken care of extra well
- A person may not have little possibilities for making changes in their data records
08:56:31 From Aron Schulman to Everyone : Retail: Data is collected as much as possible. Power imbalances exist, with large companies dominating the field. The human rights of workers are neglected in certain places. Choice of products and variety of goods is at a good level.
08:57:07 From Aaron Geldert to Everyone : Self-Measurement (maybe Health):
Some examples of personal choice already exist, ex. choice to allow Apple Health to be used for research. Likely arises due to strong ethical focus in medical research.
Having distributed data in different locations seems valuable for preventing building a comprehensive user profile.
08:57:11 From Daniel Aaltonen to Everyone : Discussed Media and communications:
+Very accessible
+Lots of competition (various suppliers)
-Data handling and privacy not very transparent
-Despite many services, not much difference
in the "privacy" you must give up
-Often many other companies involved (unknowingly)
08:57:23 From Ann-Sofi (Mai) Trux to Everyone : Retail:
- Advertisement is usually working quite well but at the same time it is quite shady how it collects your data (e.g,, phones listening you talking)
- Crazy how much companies can know about you based on your actions: (e.g., a company might guess you are pregnant even before you knowing it)
08:57:47 From Marko Turpeinen to Everyone : Surveillance Economy is the theme of your next assignment
08:57:54 From Eira Erola to Everyone : Topic: grocery stores / supermarkets
1. Transparency: you know what you pay for, you see the prices before paying, some chains offer yearly review of your purchases
2. Monopoly: there is no grocery store monopoly in Finland, stores compete against each other lowering the prices (Lidl vs Prisma)
3. Stores also compete for the best store locations - stores are easy to access for customers
08:58:21 From Sami Valkamaa to Everyone : The ethicalness of accepting terms and conditions is not clear and people accept them without reading them. What is there to prevent companies from writing conditions that actually oblige people to do something was discussed.
08:58:29 From Clotilde Rey to Everyone : Breakout room 13 - ENERGY
- In Finland, the energy sector uses AI and data to forecast the future needs of consumption
- Our group agreed on the fact that it was probably serving a "win-win" situation, since Finland struggles with peaks in demand for energy
- Potential abuses from the use of this data could include producing less / changing prices when people need the energy the most in order to increase the margin. However, the enegy sector is quite regulated and constrained with price régulations
08:58:32 From katariina korolainen to Everyone : Apps – especially FB & Instagram: lack of transparency between users and the companies using their data; no-one reads the Terms and Conditions, but neither are they formulated in a user-friendly way. Many other issues derive from the initial inequality, users are left behind
09:09:47 From Heli Tuomonen to Everyone : What about editing own preferences?
09:11:10 From Germans Savcisens to Everyone : How do we ensure that these ecosystems or operators do not missuse our data?
09:16:54 From MyData Global to Everyone : Germans: The answer is ‘governance mechanisms’, EU is putting in place the Data Governance Act as the highest level of governance (regulation)
09:18:52 From MyData Global to Everyone : Heli: I imagine that there will be some sort of ‘digital personal assistants’ that keep our personal preferences and apply those in the different online services seamlessly. We could edit the preferences via these assistants.
09:22:59 From MyData Global to Everyone : Clotilde ENERGY: the energy data sector is still quite strongly controlled by the big energy companies and high entry barriers for newcomers. For example the smart metering data is not accessible to startups, I can not share my energy data… people are even building hacks like small devices that ‘read’ the flashing light from the energy meters and turning that to data.
09:26:03 From MyData Global to Everyone : Sami, Katariina TERMS OF SERVICE: One hopefully advancing direction is machine readable standardised agreements —> that would enable the MyData operators to show the terms in more understandable and comparable way. Other important trend is ‘legal design’.
09:30:01 From MyData Global to Everyone : Eira GROCERY STORES: Based on the purchase data it is possible to create fairly robust individual consumption profile (preferences). S-group has started to go this direction with their ‘omat ostot’-service https://www.s-kanava.fi/asiakasomistaja/artikkeli/omat-ostot-me-tarjoamme-tiedon-sina-teet-valinnan/3kGmNaHPOwqKgsMocyeCIS
09:33:47 From MyData Global to Everyone : Ann-Sofi RETAIL: In the advertisement the truly competed limited resource is the people’s attention, human centric perspective to advertisement would start from the question on how we could be in charge of sharing our attention better.
09:38:11 From MyData Global to Everyone : DANIEL Media: same as in the advertisement, the media competes for the limited resource of our attention. One ‘dark pattern’ is the data driven design of making the media more addictive. Netflix knows exactly when people watch, when they stop watching, what they choose, when they change programme… all this data is used to make us spend more time in Netflix.
09:42:59 From Marko Turpeinen to Everyone : Government agencies in Mika’s use cases: Traficom - Finnish Transport & Communications Agency and THL - Finnish Institute of Health & Welfare
09:43:24 From MyData Global to Everyone : Aaron Self-measurement: on one hand in the self measurement devices the data access and interoperability fairly good in comparison to some other areas. The challenges are in the trend that self measurement apps are converging and being bought by the big tech that just add these as additional sources of personal data in their repertoire.
09:46:15 From Eero Asikainen to Everyone : Question to Mika: Even though data is not stored within the operator, does the data still flow through it, or can you link the parties together directly?
09:47:33 From Mika Huhtamäki to Everyone : We control the access and the access controller can be completely under the control of data source. Obviously that component has to communicate with the operator but it does not need to transfer the data
09:50:17 From Aaron Geldert to Everyone : What are the challenges to expanding MyData on a global scale, having to work with huge multinational companies as well as very different governments outside the EU?
09:59:02 From Aiman Nait Abbou to Everyone : I will need to leave in 2 minutes, I have another important meeting. Thank you for this interesting lecture :)