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Liquidity Community Call

29 July 2021

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Mission: We’re on a mission to make crypto investing simple, accessible, and safe for everyone.

How do we do that? We focus on 3 core pillars

  • Product growth: Our products must provide deep value to users & distribution must be a core competency.

  • Community autonomy: Empower contributors of different commitment levels to produce impact for Index Coop stakeholders

  • Protocol sustainability: Ensure the Coop is built to last. This is done through treasury management, value capture, governance, and product + growth + community.

Index Coop Mission & Strategy

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Principles

  • We work together towards shared goals: Contributors feel progress is being made together, and they are rewarded for it.

  • We’re on an never ending journey of growth & improvement: Contributors feel they can be additive in improving the current process

  • We foster a sense of belonging: Contributors feel like they are part of something they are proud/passionate about

  • We foster a sense of safety: Contributors feel they can communicate openly w/o judgment and/or personal remarks

  • We interact with empathy: Community members feel heard; Community members feel their concerns are taken into consideration during decision-making

If at any point, we stray from these principles, please send feedback and we will endeavour to adjust

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Call Technicalities & Agenda

Technicalities

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  • This meeting is timeboxed to 1 hour - further discussion can go in the Discord or continued with the epic owner

Purpose: To discuss the priorities for the Product working Group

Agenda

  • Introduction
  • Individual product review
    • ETH2-FLI
    • BTC2-FLI
    • BED
    • MVI
    • DPI
  • Polygon
  • V3 Staking
  • Delegated liquidity
  • Next steps

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Liquidity

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ETH2-FLI

Compared to June:

  • Liquidity has grown in both v2 and v3
  • V3 is taking AUM and volume share

> $100,000 to move price 1%

No liquidity rewards at the moment

Notes

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BTC2-FLI

Compared to June:

  • Liquidity has grown in $,
    • but reduced in BTC2 and ETH terms
  • Trade volume increased (spot check)

> $20,000 to move price 1%

$SUSHI Onsen rewards at the moment

Notes

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Direct BED liquidity Provision

  • BanklessDAO / community have deployed $1.3 m
  • Nice overall profile with >11 ETH to get 1% price impact
  • Delay in getting Multi-sig set up.
  • Now need to get funded and deploy test capital.
  • Then deploy full assets
  • As there is plenty of liquidity coop priority can be modified:
    • Wider
    • Less management
    • Proof of concept / build systems

Notes

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MVI liquidity

  • Pool AUM has recovered to $5.4 M
    • This is a function of price and increased LP tokens
  • Volume also looking better

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MVI liquidity

  • Current pool allows ~ $19,000 trade for 1% price impact.

  • Arbitrage costs ~ $180 at 50 gwei and $2,000
    • Estimated to keep price within 2% of NAV.

  • INDEX makes up a large part of LP income

  • Very small v3 pool

MVI:ETH (Uniswap v2)

Unit

01Jul21

27Jul21

Pool AUM

$ M

$3.09

$5.37

Sell ETH for 1% price impact

ETH

5.15

8.65

4 day average volume

$

$121,975

$852,435

4 day average fee

$

$366

$2,557

Annualised fee return (at current AUM)

%

4.3%

17.4%

INDEX rewards (on day)

%

26%

18%

Combined rewards

%

30%

36%

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MVI liquidity

MVI dominates competitors in both AUM and liquidity

Current liquidity campaign is 3,286 INDEX over 30 days

  • ~ $82,000 @ $25
  • ~ $2,500 per day

Main chain

AUM ($ M)

Liquidity ($ M)

Volume

MVI

$9.4

$5.4

$930,203

PLAY

$2.0

$2.1

$186,104

NFPT

$1.2

$0.3

$58,566

Notes

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DPI liquidity AUM

DPI has multiple pools with AUM > $1 M

  • v2 $28 m
  • Sushi $ 5 m
  • Balancer $ 5 m (inc wBTC)
  • v3 $ 2 m

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DPI liquidity v3

  • V3 liquidity has been in place for ~ 2 months.
  • Trade volume varies (as does v2)
  • Not fully symmetrical
  • > $25,000 trade for < 1% price impact

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DPI Trade Depth

  • All 4 pools allow trades > $17,000 with less than 1% price impact.
  • Combined trade size for 1% price impact is > $180,000

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DPI Trade share

  • V2 Captures the majority of trade, but v3 and Sushi have strong days

Note balancer pool includes wBTC, so trade could be ETH <> wBTC

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DPI Liquidity

  • Aggregators can access additional stable coin pools ($220,000 trade has 20% in v2 pool)

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DPI LP Income

  • LP’s are earning a minimum of 14% annualised from fees and rewards

Note v3 fees may be higher or lower than average.

Uniswap v2

Sushiswap

Balancer v2 (3 tokens)

v3

Average volume to AUM

4%

6%

2%

24%

Free to LP

0.30%

0.25%

0.50%

0.30%

Annualised Fee

4.7%

5.2%

3.4%

26.2%

LM rewards (27jul21)

9.7%

11.3%

18.5%

0.0%

Average total fee

14.4%

16.5%

21.9%

26.2%

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DPI Costs and competitors

DPI dominates AUM, and Liquidity

  • BDI is 2nd on AUM and liquidity
  • DeFi 5 is 2nd on volume

Current liquidity mining 12,578 INDEX over 30 days

  • ~ 315,00 @ $25
  • ~ 10,500 per day

Main chain

AUM ($ M)

Liquidity ($ M)

Volume ($m)

DPI

$115.90

$42.64

$2.56

BDI

$11.60

$16.80

$0.16

DeFI 5

$8.20

$4.40

$0.61

DEGEN

$6.00

$1.60

$0.18

CC 10

$3.20

$1.80

$0.08

Notes

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DPI liquidity

Notes

  • New Sushi pools coming soon - Concentrated option.

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Polygon

Owner:

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Polygon Liquidity

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  • Bridge to polygon is open for all products
  • Liquidity pools created on sushi
  • More extrinsic uses available once we have liquidity on polygon
    • DeFin (?) and Quickswap - want to support.
    • Trying to build with Sushi.
    • Need to move liquidity.
  • Liquidity mining rewards available once we pass $1 M liquidity (per product basis)
    • Yield vault- jar to farm LP pair - DPI first.
    • QI finance - Maker fork collateral for MAI -DPI easiest.
    • Liquidity and oracle dependent.

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V3 Staking contracts

Owners:

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Considerations on v3

@OverAnalyser

  • V3 is not easy
  • “No-one will get average”
  • v3 staking contracts have not been battle tested - Potential Uniswap LM campaign
  • Do we want to incentivise people to get rekt?
  • Need to communicate risks and options for LP’s:
  • Migrate to v3 - Wide -passive
  • Migrate to v3 - Focused - Active
  • Stop being an LP, and use the ETH and DPI in other ways (Collateral / yield for 100% ETH)
  • Stay in v2 pool - expect volume to drop, but some trade will remain
    • Possibly do an assessment for other pools for DeFi tokens with v2 and v3 pools.
    • Benefits from not being a taxable event in some countries
  • Move to Sushiswap Onsen
  • Move to polygon Sushiswap
  • Move to Balancer (L1 or L2)
  • Wait for automated manager pool for DPI:ETH

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Sampling Liquidity on Uni V3

@afromac

Automating the Risk Parameters requires us to define a method for sampling liquidity on each DEX.

Available liquidity is an input to the model, but fluctuates with changing conditions.

This is easy to estimate on Uni V2 and Sushiswap, but more complicated on Uni V3

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Sampling Liquidity on Uni V3

@afromac

Uni V3 can be inconsistent but when it works it is phenomenal.

Mean price impact on trades over 800 ETH is only 0.63%.

Trade can revert to Sushi and Uni V2 when liquidity conditions are not optimal.

Can leveraging this tech be turned into a product?

A token acts as a claim on an actively (algo) managed Uni V3 position - (DPI:ETH)

Makes V3 accessible to smaller traders and incentivizes liquidity to positions we want to maintain

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Notes on v3

@OverAnalyser

Eng position

  • 2 months staking proposal in forum
  • EWG have spent lots of tiem working on it
  • No pools live using v3 staking
  • Have done smart contract work
  • Have designers from codematics.
  • To start pool - multisig + UI work.

  • Not that friendly for user flow.

Q How confident are we - quite safe - Uniswap team + audit.

  • UI just stake and withdraws

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Delegated management

Leaders: OA

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Delegated Liquidity Management

@OverAnalyser

Draft proposal for dedicated group looking at overall management of Liquidity (mining and direct provision).

Timing

  • OA to Blog experience on MVI:ETH ✅
  • Proposal issued following IIP-53 pass ✅
  • Discuss and monitor BED:ETH on v3 ✅
  • OA presenting liquidity observations and comment for each product.
  • Community call on Thursday.
  • IIP early August
  • DPI and MVI liquidity mining campaign ends ~ 12 August.

Notes in call

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Next steps

Owner:

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Timings

@OverAnalyser

Current Liquidity Mining on DPI and MVI ends 13th August

  1. Share research ✅
  2. Community call ✅
    1. Agree a plan
  3. Propose any IIP’s (Ideally by friday 30th)
    • Votes w/c 2nd August (Ideally Mon to Weds)
  4. Deploy INDEX rewards / staking contracts before 13th

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Liquidity Costs comparison

@OverAnalyser

13 Jul - 13 Aug

ETH2

BTC2

BED

MVI

DPI

Total

Liquidity support

None

Onsen

Direct provision

INDEX

INDEX

n/a

INDEX rewards

--

--

[Contributor time]

3,286

12,578

15,864

cost at $25

--

--

--

$82,000

$315,000

$397,000

13 Aug - 13 Sep

DPI v2

MVI v2

DPI Poly

MVI poly

v3 DPI

Total

Method

Stop

LM

30 day

none

Staking 15 d in late August

n/a

INDEX rewards

3,286

1,000

2,000

6,286

cost at $25

$82,000

$25,000

$50,000

$157,000

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Notes

@OverAnalyser

  • Cut v2 on DPI, incentivise v3, Direct provision to Polygon. MVI reduce ? Nothing on FLI.
    • Trident in september - Mainet or polygon.
    • MVI wait for Trident?
  • Maintain MVI in 1 place - don’t split. Good to build
  • Cut DPI v2, Incentivise v3
  • Turning off v2, v3 will grow. Volume moves Liquidity follows.
    • v3 staking gives momentum and narrative.
    • MVI is at a different stage. Stay on v2 for a month.
  • Less than 30 days needed a new contract - people would need to unstake and restake.
  • Direct provision BED:ETH to DPI:ETH on v3. After september.

v3 gives a basic oracle

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Risks

@All

What can go wrong?

What does it cost us?

How easy to correct?

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Actions

@OverAnalyser

#

Action

Owner

Date

Draft IIP [ xxx]

Vote

Communicate plan

Communicate experience

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Other Topics

Speaker: Open Discussion

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Open Forum (If Time)

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Archive

  • DONT: forget to stop the video

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Archive

  • 0.9% AUM
  • 1.7% fees
  • 1.9 ratio

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Archive

  • DONT: forget to stop the video