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Liquidity Community Call

29 July 2021

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Mission: We’re on a mission to make crypto investing simple, accessible, and safe for everyone.

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How do we do that? We focus on 3 core pillars

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  • Product growth: Our products must provide deep value to users & distribution must be a core competency.

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  • Community autonomy: Empower contributors of different commitment levels to produce impact for Index Coop stakeholders

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  • Protocol sustainability: Ensure the Coop is built to last. This is done through treasury management, value capture, governance, and product + growth + community.

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Index Coop Mission & Strategy

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Principles

  • We work together towards shared goals: Contributors feel progress is being made together, and they are rewarded for it.

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  • We’re on an never ending journey of growth & improvement: Contributors feel they can be additive in improving the current process

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  • We foster a sense of belonging: Contributors feel like they are part of something they are proud/passionate about

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  • We foster a sense of safety: Contributors feel they can communicate openly w/o judgment and/or personal remarks

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  • We interact with empathy: Community members feel heard; Community members feel their concerns are taken into consideration during decision-making

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If at any point, we stray from these principles, please send feedback and we will endeavour to adjust

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Call Technicalities & Agenda

Technicalities

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Purpose: To discuss the priorities for the Product working Group

Agenda

  • Introduction
  • Individual product review
    • ETH2-FLI
    • BTC2-FLI
    • BED
    • MVI
    • DPI
  • Polygon
  • V3 Staking
  • Delegated liquidity
  • Next steps

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Liquidity

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ETH2-FLI

Compared to June:

  • Liquidity has grown in both v2 and v3
  • V3 is taking AUM and volume share

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> $100,000 to move price 1%

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No liquidity rewards at the moment

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BTC2-FLI

Compared to June:

  • Liquidity has grown in $,
    • but reduced in BTC2 and ETH terms
  • Trade volume increased (spot check)

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> $20,000 to move price 1%

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$SUSHI Onsen rewards at the moment

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Direct BED liquidity Provision

  • BanklessDAO / community have deployed $1.3 m
  • Nice overall profile with >11 ETH to get 1% price impact
  • Delay in getting Multi-sig set up.
  • Now need to get funded and deploy test capital.
  • Then deploy full assets
  • As there is plenty of liquidity coop priority can be modified:
    • Wider
    • Less management
    • Proof of concept / build systems

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MVI liquidity

  • Pool AUM has recovered to $5.4 M
    • This is a function of price and increased LP tokens
  • Volume also looking better

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MVI liquidity

  • Current pool allows ~ $19,000 trade for 1% price impact.

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  • Arbitrage costs ~ $180 at 50 gwei and $2,000
    • Estimated to keep price within 2% of NAV.

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  • INDEX makes up a large part of LP income

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  • Very small v3 pool

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MVI:ETH (Uniswap v2)

Unit

01Jul21

27Jul21

Pool AUM

$ M

$3.09

$5.37

Sell ETH for 1% price impact

ETH

5.15

8.65

4 day average volume

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$121,975

$852,435

4 day average fee

$

$366

$2,557

Annualised fee return (at current AUM)

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4.3%

17.4%

INDEX rewards (on day)

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26%

18%

Combined rewards

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30%

36%

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MVI liquidity

MVI dominates competitors in both AUM and liquidity

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Current liquidity campaign is 3,286 INDEX over 30 days

  • ~ $82,000 @ $25
  • ~ $2,500 per day

Main chain

AUM ($ M)

Liquidity ($ M)

Volume

MVI

$9.4

$5.4

$930,203

PLAY

$2.0

$2.1

$186,104

NFPT

$1.2

$0.3

$58,566

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DPI liquidity AUM

DPI has multiple pools with AUM > $1 M

  • v2 $28 m
  • Sushi $ 5 m
  • Balancer $ 5 m (inc wBTC)
  • v3 $ 2 m

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DPI liquidity v3

  • V3 liquidity has been in place for ~ 2 months.
  • Trade volume varies (as does v2)
  • Not fully symmetrical
  • > $25,000 trade for < 1% price impact

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DPI Trade Depth

  • All 4 pools allow trades > $17,000 with less than 1% price impact.
  • Combined trade size for 1% price impact is > $180,000

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DPI Trade share

  • V2 Captures the majority of trade, but v3 and Sushi have strong days

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Note balancer pool includes wBTC, so trade could be ETH <> wBTC

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DPI Liquidity

  • Aggregators can access additional stable coin pools ($220,000 trade has 20% in v2 pool)

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DPI LP Income

  • LP’s are earning a minimum of 14% annualised from fees and rewards

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Note v3 fees may be higher or lower than average.

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Uniswap v2

Sushiswap

Balancer v2 (3 tokens)

v3

Average volume to AUM

4%

6%

2%

24%

Free to LP

0.30%

0.25%

0.50%

0.30%

Annualised Fee

4.7%

5.2%

3.4%

26.2%

LM rewards (27jul21)

9.7%

11.3%

18.5%

0.0%

Average total fee

14.4%

16.5%

21.9%

26.2%

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DPI Costs and competitors

DPI dominates AUM, and Liquidity

  • BDI is 2nd on AUM and liquidity
  • DeFi 5 is 2nd on volume

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Current liquidity mining 12,578 INDEX over 30 days

  • ~ 315,00 @ $25
  • ~ 10,500 per day

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Main chain

AUM ($ M)

Liquidity ($ M)

Volume ($m)

DPI

$115.90

$42.64

$2.56

BDI

$11.60

$16.80

$0.16

DeFI 5

$8.20

$4.40

$0.61

DEGEN

$6.00

$1.60

$0.18

CC 10

$3.20

$1.80

$0.08

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DPI liquidity

Notes

  • New Sushi pools coming soon - Concentrated option.

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Polygon

Owner:

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Polygon Liquidity

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  • Bridge to polygon is open for all products
  • Liquidity pools created on sushi
  • More extrinsic uses available once we have liquidity on polygon
    • DeFin (?) and Quickswap - want to support.
    • Trying to build with Sushi.
    • Need to move liquidity.
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  • Liquidity mining rewards available once we pass $1 M liquidity (per product basis)
    • Yield vault- jar to farm LP pair - DPI first.
    • QI finance - Maker fork collateral for MAI -DPI easiest.
    • Liquidity and oracle dependent.

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V3 Staking contracts

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Owners:

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Considerations on v3

@OverAnalyser

  • V3 is not easy
  • “No-one will get average”
  • v3 staking contracts have not been battle tested - Potential Uniswap LM campaign
  • Do we want to incentivise people to get rekt?
  • Need to communicate risks and options for LP’s:
  • Migrate to v3 - Wide -passive
  • Migrate to v3 - Focused - Active
  • Stop being an LP, and use the ETH and DPI in other ways (Collateral / yield for 100% ETH)
  • Stay in v2 pool - expect volume to drop, but some trade will remain
    • Possibly do an assessment for other pools for DeFi tokens with v2 and v3 pools.
    • Benefits from not being a taxable event in some countries
  • Move to Sushiswap Onsen
  • Move to polygon Sushiswap
  • Move to Balancer (L1 or L2)
  • Wait for automated manager pool for DPI:ETH

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Sampling Liquidity on Uni V3

@afromac

Automating the Risk Parameters requires us to define a method for sampling liquidity on each DEX.

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Available liquidity is an input to the model, but fluctuates with changing conditions.

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This is easy to estimate on Uni V2 and Sushiswap, but more complicated on Uni V3

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Sampling Liquidity on Uni V3

@afromac

Uni V3 can be inconsistent but when it works it is phenomenal.

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Mean price impact on trades over 800 ETH is only 0.63%.

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Trade can revert to Sushi and Uni V2 when liquidity conditions are not optimal.

Can leveraging this tech be turned into a product?

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A token acts as a claim on an actively (algo) managed Uni V3 position - (DPI:ETH)

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Makes V3 accessible to smaller traders and incentivizes liquidity to positions we want to maintain

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Notes on v3

@OverAnalyser

Eng position

  • 2 months staking proposal in forum
  • EWG have spent lots of tiem working on it
  • No pools live using v3 staking
  • Have done smart contract work
  • Have designers from codematics.
  • To start pool - multisig + UI work.

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  • Not that friendly for user flow.

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Q How confident are we - quite safe - Uniswap team + audit.

  • UI just stake and withdraws

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Delegated management

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Leaders: OA

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Delegated Liquidity Management

@OverAnalyser

Draft proposal for dedicated group looking at overall management of Liquidity (mining and direct provision).

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Timing

  • OA to Blog experience on MVI:ETH ✅
  • Proposal issued following IIP-53 pass ✅
  • Discuss and monitor BED:ETH on v3 ✅
  • OA presenting liquidity observations and comment for each product.
  • Community call on Thursday.
  • IIP early August
  • DPI and MVI liquidity mining campaign ends ~ 12 August.

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Notes in call

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Next steps

Owner:

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Timings

@OverAnalyser

Current Liquidity Mining on DPI and MVI ends 13th August

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  1. Share research ✅
  2. Community call ✅
    1. Agree a plan
  3. Propose any IIP’s (Ideally by friday 30th)
    • Votes w/c 2nd August (Ideally Mon to Weds)
  4. Deploy INDEX rewards / staking contracts before 13th

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Liquidity Costs comparison

@OverAnalyser

13 Jul - 13 Aug

ETH2

BTC2

BED

MVI

DPI

Total

Liquidity support

None

Onsen

Direct provision

INDEX

INDEX

n/a

INDEX rewards

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[Contributor time]

3,286

12,578

15,864

cost at $25

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$82,000

$315,000

$397,000

13 Aug - 13 Sep

DPI v2

MVI v2

DPI Poly

MVI poly

v3 DPI

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Method

Stop

LM

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30 day

none

Staking 15 d in late August

n/a

INDEX rewards

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3,286

1,000

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2,000

6,286

cost at $25

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$82,000

$25,000

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$50,000

$157,000

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Notes

@OverAnalyser

  • Cut v2 on DPI, incentivise v3, Direct provision to Polygon. MVI reduce ? Nothing on FLI.
    • Trident in september - Mainet or polygon.
    • MVI wait for Trident?
  • Maintain MVI in 1 place - don’t split. Good to build
  • Cut DPI v2, Incentivise v3
  • Turning off v2, v3 will grow. Volume moves Liquidity follows.
    • v3 staking gives momentum and narrative.
    • MVI is at a different stage. Stay on v2 for a month.
  • Less than 30 days needed a new contract - people would need to unstake and restake.
  • Direct provision BED:ETH to DPI:ETH on v3. After september.

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v3 gives a basic oracle

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Risks

@All

What can go wrong?

What does it cost us?

How easy to correct?

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Actions

@OverAnalyser

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Date

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Other Topics

Speaker: Open Discussion

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Open Forum (If Time)

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Archive

  • DONT: forget to stop the video

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Archive

  • 0.9% AUM
  • 1.7% fees
  • 1.9 ratio

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Archive

  • DONT: forget to stop the video