Gastroenterologists are from Mars and Pathologists are from Venus: �Reporting IBD Pathologic Findings��(and “Kurt’s Notes”)
Kurt Schaberg M.D.
Department of Pathology
University of California, Davis
kbschaberg@ucdavis.edu
@KurtSchaberg
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Disclosures
Inflammatory Bowel Disease (IBD)
IBD
Ulcerative Colitis
Crohn’s Disease
Ulcerative Colitis
Crohn‘s Disease
New IBD Patient
Colonoscopy
Chun et al. Clinical Gastrointestinal Endoscopy: A Comprehensive Atlas, 2014
Pathology Report:
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New IBD Patient
Ulcerative Colitis
New IBD Patient
What is our endpoint for IBD treatment?
Pathology Report:
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Activity = Acute Inflammation = Neutrophils
Neutrophilic cryptitis
Crypt abscesses
Chronicity
Chronicity
Chronicity
Chronicity
Lymphocyte
Plasma cell
Why do we care about histologic findings if there is endoscopic remission?
76 UC patients in endoscopic remission, which they defined as a Mayo score of 0
166 UC Patients with Mayo endoscopic score of 1
Overall increased risk of relapse
OR 2.41; (95% CI, 1.91–3.04)
with histologic activity
Select findings:
A brief analogy
Let’s think of the colon as some lovely California hills and IBD as a wildfire.
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Chronic and Active inflammation
Acute/Active inflammation think of as the flame🡪 It’s red, hot, and is very destructive
Chronic inflammation think of as the embers🡪 It is less eye-catching and acutely destructive, but it can easily burst into flames again and melt things.
Scarring and some architectural changes of as🡪 burnt trees
Endoscopic vs Microscopic
Endoscopic vs Microscopic
Endoscopic vs Microscopic
Endoscopic vs Microscopic
Endoscopic vs Microscopic
Pathologist
Pathology Report:
What do these mean?!�How much inflammation is there? Should I escalate treatment?
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Histopathology Scoring Indices
The Nancy System
The Robart’s Histologic Index
Minimum score = 0
Maximum score = 33
The Geboes score
Which to use?
A “Colitis” Synoptic Checklist
| Metric | Scoring |
Activity | ||
| Lamina Propria Neutrophils * | Marked (3) |
| Cryptitis/Crypt abscesses (Neutrophils in Epithelium) * | >50% crypts (3) |
| Erosion/Ulcers * | Probable erosion (1) |
Chronicity | ||
| Chronic Inflammatory Infiltrate* | Mild (1) |
| Basal Lymphoplasmacytosis | None (0) |
| Architectural distortion and/or metaplasia | None (0) |
Additional Findings | ||
| Granulomas | Absent |
| Viral cytopathic effect | Absent |
| Dysplasia | Negative |
| Robart’s Activity Index | 15/33 |
Surgeons misunderstood pathologists’ reports 30% of the time.
Surgical experience reduced but did not eliminate the problem.
What did we find?
Post
Pre
Conclusions
What we do now at UC Davis:
Questions So Far?
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