***NSFW WARNING***

Opening Statements

The Warning About Alex Kister document aims to display how I have shown "predatory and manipulative behavior" online. This document shows zero proof to prove that claim. Ven has lied by omission, contradicted themselves, and has made several admissions that prove that this document was a premeditated attempt to ruin my career.

Throughout this document, Ven links many screenshots that involved me and will repetitively make a baseless assumption about the contents of it that the screenshots don't prove. Including screenshots of something happening that is vaguely related to the claim doesn't mean its "evidence". The evidence should be doing all the talking. Not only are these empty statements constantly made, but you will also see that a large amount of the material written is just Ven's negative opinions about me. These opinions about me are presented as criminal behavior and moral transgressions that are grounds to ruin my career.

There's an excessive amount of interpersonal related private issues or messages that are meant to be targeted at specifically me included in this document. These private topics include my medication history, sexual history, therapy references and my venting. I will not be responding to most of these because it was never appropriate to bring it to the public eye anyways. The disclaimer section suggests that the purpose of this document is to point out my "predatory and manipulative behavior" so my focus will be addressing that.

For clarification sake since I keep seeing misinformation being spread: both Ven and the one going by "DB" are both over the age of 21. I am 20 (in Pt 1-19 I was 19 and Ven was 20). Mitcha is the 16 year old, not DB.

https://twitter.com/STIRRINGJUICE/status/1767780628131402221?s=20

Before I even begin, I want to clear up the rumor that I am a pedophile or a groomer. This is not true and Ven even states this in a Tumblr post they made:

Full context from: https://web.archive.org/web/20240317125855/https://www.tumblr.com/stirringjuicee/745117180204548096/alex-kister-and-actively-using-being-trans-to-lure

(MAY NEED TO COPY AND PASTE LINK)

This response to Ven's document is formatted similarly to the original. I will show a "Part" of the document, then add my input below accordingly. Not every part will be acknowledged due to it being a private matter or if the topic is clarified already.

I will not be providing the links that lead to the screenshots since I do not want to be the one providing access to the porn ad-filled image hosting site that Ven chose to present these, which is exposed to minors. Although not illegal, it's jarring that Ven was not more mindful of this considering the nature of the callout.

(videos that show this happening, NSFW warning)

https://twitter.com/LerixOOC/status/1769571730362663126

https://twitter.com/LerixOOC/status/1769568999740772610

It is best to have Ven's document pulled up while reading this to examine the screenshots and to have a better understanding of what I am responding to, if you haven't read it already.

For photos/screenshots in this document:

Black border - Images taken from Ven's document, Ven's screenshots

Red border - Screenshots I take of conversations from my end, other online sources

***I will respect DB's anonymity, but doing so means that I need to censor their name and pfp in some discord screenshots I provide. If there are any beliefs that these are fake as a result, then I will need to show the unedited versions.***

Document Analysis

"Defamation" Section

The "Disclaimer" section that starts off the document links to a "Defamation" section, which includes this segment:

The quote from "DB's Father" is almost exactly verbatim what reads on https://www.justia.com/injury/defamation/ 

Acts of malice can be made out of anger. This is something I elaborate and show evidence of later, but Ven will show that they act out of anger by showing the same private information about me in this doc to friends while stating that they want to make sure I do not have any successful relationships in the future.

Pt 1-19

I will note that Ven and I's relationship was not handled well at all on my end. This was my first actual romantic relationship I've had in my life, but I don't want my ignorance and stupidity to be mistaken as me being manipulative. If I could go back, I wish I broke up with them and immediately cut contact for at least a little while rather than prolonging our contact. I realize now that taking a break from each other would've been the healthiest route to go in, but I thought that slowly weaning it off was the better option because I didn't want to drop such a heavy weight of "I want to break up with you and I'm not talking to you for a while after this" which I thought we be harmful for Ven (plus I did genuinely still want to maintain a friendship with them if they were comfortable). This was a dumb mistake.

However, Ven still encouraged my behavior that made them uncomfortable, didn't communicate their feelings with me effectively, and has admitted to not being honest about their feelings:

Ven encouraged this behavior to me and matched my energy when we would talk about it. If the stuff I was saying made them uncomfortable I would have greatly appreciated having this communicated with me instead of also indulging in the same topics so I didn't cause this feeling again.

I acknowledge my missteps here, but I wish Ven's frustration with what I suggested would have been communicated right away rather than making me feel like it was something they were comfortable with. If it felt "extremely careless" to you at the time then I would have wanted to know.

"I wanted to pretend that this was okay"

"No, you didn't do anything wrong!...It was such a big silly confusion"

"I sort of lied in this message, I was happier because I wasn't attempting to interact with him or see him on my social media. I was unable to reveal my true feelings because I believed that I was overthinking everything and I was paranoid or delusional."

"I don't think there's anything wrong with you. My mind has been clearer lately and I feel like any delusional thoughts can easily be regarded (disregarded?) Everything you have said before has helped with understanding how I think and feel."

Ven didn't always communicate their problems they had with me but would sometimes intentionally ignore me whenever I offered my support:

"I would not text back Alex out of frustration…I would do this several times when I wouldn't text him back"

After getting therapy, I came back to Ven because I wanted to maintain a friendship but if Ven didn't want to then I would have accepted that. Looking back I wish I never went back to them because I know now that they missed me during this silence. After a breakup, I should've kept my distance if this was the case. I assumed they saw me as a friend at this point too which was dumb on my part. I didn't put myself in their shoes.

The next bulk of my responses have more to do with Server B (Pts 21-28)

Pt 21

What was the moment that things no longer became innocent? Also this one of the many times in this document where the word parasocial is used incorrectly. What defines a parasocial relationship is either when someone has a one-sided relationship with someone they don't know. Getting to know people and what goes on in their life removes the parasocial nature of the interaction. https://www.dictionary.com/e/tech-science/parasocial-relationship/

Pt 23

"Alex's behavior should not be my or other's responsibility. I should not be this stressed out about a person, so this made me want to stray away from Alex entirely."

Ven is absolutely correct in saying that my behavior should not be theirs or other's responsibility, yet still involved themselves with other people's business and influenced their behavior, most notably DB.

Pt 24

Who was this person/witness? I wish this discomfort was communicated immediately. I hate the thought of my interactions making anyone uncomfortable in any way. I was being treated so positively by those in the group chat for my pictures I sent (as seen in the screenshots provided for this part) so I figured it was okay to return that kind of treatment to those same people.

I would have been talking to anyone about these issues that were part of the discussions. While my word choice sometimes was a little weird, there was nothing inherently wrong with talking to teens about this, especially since we shared the same struggles.

Ven says it here, "This sets up parasocial relationships with fans as Alex continues to talk to them on a personal level" which proves that these were not parasocial relationships if I'm talking to them on a personal level.

Is talking about my gender with other gender queer people that personal? Also, this is the beginning of many times in this document that Ven will dehumanize me by only viewing me as a YouTuber.

"It becomes addictive to talk to your favorite creators if they seemingly act like a friend."

Ven never actually proves that my motive for being friendly with fans was to prey on them. Dating two adult fans of mine does not mean I was treating the entire rest of the server as if it were Tinder.

Pt 27.5

I did retract the Amelia stuff after the reasons stated because I was already insecure about it and having someone be upset about it for any reason, even if it wasn't personal or anything, still made me feel guilty and ashamed and I didn't want to uphold it any longer if someone perceived it in a negative light. Playing it off as a joke was a way of coping with it and making it seem like I didn't care. I did enjoy being referred to by that name. This was shitty on my part since I still lied about it, but I don't think it's worth this much exaggeration when the point of this doc is to show how this is predatory.

Where is the proof that numerous server members felt "insulted" by this? Why did Ven not provide the context for why I said the name was a joke (even after providing my explanation in a screenshot later in the doc)?

The next bulk of my responses regard DB (the person I got closer with from the group chat)

Pt 28-31

Why is it important to mention how I didn't know what DB looked/sounded like in our talking stage? No romantic or sexual interactions happened at this point.

Ven's vague and unique definition for "superficial consent" also has no legal standing.

What even is the "true intent of my actions" that is not elaborated upon? Sure, there's an innate power dynamic between creators and their fans, but I never once leveraged my platform against DB to coerce them or threaten them. I never had sex or any physical, sexual contact with them and never forced, let alone asked, for sexual pics or videos from them. Sending clothed photos of me isn't inherently sexual and expressing sexual affection with another adult (who still sent pics after knowing I'm sexually attracted to them and encouraged my behavior by saying they loved talking to me like that and that they weren't uncomfortable at all) is not criminal nor should it be condemned.

DB is an adult and should be able to communicate their discomfort and set boundaries. If they not only don't communicate these with me, but also encourages me through compliments, saying they aren't uncomfortable, expresses their own sexual affection to me and other displays of affection, then that is not only manipulative on their part but not being able to see through them saying the completely opposite of how they feel should not be held against me. Consensual, online interactions with an adult are NOT predatory. If it is, DB should go to court or talk to their "legal consultant dad" about this.

Pt 32

"With the status of Alex mixed with how long they've known each other, the power dynamic heavily comes into play. This is predatory behavior."

Why is it morally condemnable for someone with a following to date someone with a smaller platform? If it is, where is the objective line in the sand to determine the morally acceptable following ratio for a relationship? How is someone with a big following supposed to date someone else? It's not easy to find someone compatible with me who also has a large following. Anyone who dates me WILL find out about my following especially since it's my job and attached to my name and face. It's not like anything illegal happened. Regardless, DB should have the agency to communicate their feelings and not say the OPPOSITE of how they feel otherwise I'd have no idea they were uncomfortable at that point:

Pt 33

This message wasn't really sexual just because I briefly mentioned that the touching doesn't have to be sexual. This clearly wasn't directed at them and there's nothing in the screenshot to prove it was. The message was a little weird for me to say but not a crime, predatory, or even flirting in any way.

Pt 34

I was trying to show affection to someone who confessed their feelings to me, as people typically send suggestive NSFW pictures to their partner (in which the pics I sent were clothed). Maybe it was a little weird for me to do this so quickly, but we were adults and officially dating at this point.

Pt 35

Ven says I didn't know what DB looked like despite them saying in the previous part that DB sent a photo of themselves to me. I did know what they looked like.

A key detail being left out is how DB was the one to suggest meeting up first:

I said I wanted to meet up ASAP which didn't mean immediately, just whenever DB could. They mention it in conversation first.

Pt 36

I eluded into a more sexual territory which DB clearly reciprocated, which can be seen in the screenshots Ven provides.

Pt 37

These interests aren't illegal, morally wrong, nor predatory. This is just kink shaming. DB clearly had affection for smells too yet Ven doesn't call them out on it.

Pt 38

Me being affectionate in DMs with MY PARTNER is not proof that I was love-bombing or manipulating DB. They were matching my energy which is why I was being so affectionate.

Pt 39-40

If DB is dishonest and lies about their feelings to me, I shouldn't be held accountable for not seeing through their lies. Encouraging dishonesty and lying in a relationship is an easy way to make both parties feel miserable. When DB finally sincerely told me to stop, I backed off and apologized.

"trust me i wasn't uncomfortable at all :)) if you really said something that would've made me uncomfortable i would've stopped everything"

DB willingly sent and offered lewd photos of themselves to me without me asking after I already expressed sexual interest in them (please refer to the times and dates of these messages):

"ill make the next photos look special just for u then"

Pt 41

Showing sexual attraction to someone is absolutely a way to show love to someone, albeit not the only one by any means. If you felt objectified by that, then you should have communicated that with me instead of letting me do it again. I would have gladly stopped sooner.

Pt 42

DB is just as responsible as I am to notice that we were moving too quickly, especially since they asked me out first. Once they did and we discussed it, I apologized and we never had a sexual conversation again and then they ghosted me.

Pt 43

I only went back on my words about my identity because I felt ashamed, it's not like I wanted to do that. I don't owe those details to anyone anyways.

While I enjoyed the attention I got from DB, that was not the sole reason as to why I made the server.

"Minors were in that server for no reason."

Minors were there because it was an open invite to anyone from Server B (which wasn't my server) apart from the few friends that I invited in DMs. Absolutely nothing sexual occurred or was remotely implied to minors ever.

Pt 44-46

Around the time that DB told Ven about their concerns about me, Ven made a vague post on their Instagram close friends story of a black screen with text saying something along the lines of "DON'T FUCK WITH ME OR MY FRIENDS". I didn't think much of it at the time. It wasn't until DB ghosted me that made me start panicking and thinking that their recently mentioned issues with me had to do with it (the ones where they wanted to slow down the sexual intimacy), which ended up being true. I knew that Ven was close with DB, and I also knew how high of expectations were being put on me by Ven regarding my future relationships.

Despite how I felt at the time, all the blame shouldn't have been put on me for this. Again, DB never communicated boundaries with me during our intimate conversations when we hit certain topics where it would be perfectly timed to say that they weren't totally comfortable with something. We had already established that we were okay with having sexual conversations which had equal effort put into by both people. They mention that they want to slow down which I respected and we never had a sexual conversation ever again. It wasn't until two days later that they decided to completely ghost me without explanation. This was very jarring and made me overthink everything because of how reassuring and loving they acted towards me up until that point.

If DB is so impressionable and vulnerable to manipulation that they can't communicate boundaries and encourage uncomfortable behavior from the person they're dating, then Ven absolutely manipulated DB by influencing their perspective on me and encouraging their decisions in a relationship that has nothing to do with them. My status doesn't mean that I can't make the same mistakes as DB. They are not only just as much an adult as me but older than me.

This panic festered throughout the day and later that night I was in a suicidal mindset (I have an extensive history of suicidal thoughts and self harm). However I want to make it very clear that relaying these thoughts to Mitcha and DB was NOT appropriate whatsoever and I take full accountability for this. I should have gone to another trusted adult instead of projecting onto DB and putting that heavy of a topic onto a 16 year old without properly following up. I'm incredibly ashamed of this and do not condone it whatsoever.

Pt 47

"He also doesn't realize that he doesn't know this person whatsoever and still does not understand power dynamics or parasocial relationships."

Apparently Ven doesn't understand parasocial relationships either because it is misused every single time it's mentioned in this document. Also, saying I "don't know" this person at this point is objectively false.

"It is your responsibility as a creator to be able to handle these personal issues. I don't fault any fan or DB for falling for Alex's kindness because he portrayed himself as very friendly."

This is dehumanizing to say the least and it's frustrating being treated like I'm not a normal person and simply being friendly to others is deceptive. God forbid I form a relationship with another adult where we share equal affection towards each other and they don't tell me what boundaries they have so I don't know what I'm doing wrong until I'm confronted about it two days later (after being ghosted), I try to change my ways as a result, and their friend sees these changes as me "running away from consequences" and threatens my career.

"This still does not justify anything and was just a last-ditch effort to save his ass."

It's not clarified here, but this "very long text" I sent to DB was a response to their own very long message they sent me, being the first time they've talked to me since ghosting me. I don't have it available to me since I've had their number deleted for two months, but I recall it being confrontational to me about the same concerns they shared with Ven, particularly stating how I should be more careful with how I interact with fans (in regards to the gender group chats/server), so I took it to heart and immediately started changing the way I interact with others online. This message from DB made me feel weird about the recent interactions I've had with those from Server B so I deleted the gender group chats/server and made a fresh discord account that I would use for only the people I NEEDED to interact with online (tmc crew, business partners, close friends). That moment was when Mitcha started texting me saying that Ven was going to write a doc on me (I don't know where Ven said this or where Mitcha got that info). Ven started messaging me for the first time ever since ignoring me, with the assumption that I was "going into hiding about all of this" and that they were going to "make sure I don't have a career anymore".

Wouldn't they have wanted me to separate myself from others if I was a danger to everyone?

Pt 48

Even though part of the intentions of the group chat being made was for DB's attention, it was also made for the genuine purposes of having a smaller group of people to discuss gender related topics that deviates from something as huge and public as Server B. I didn't explicitly state this in my message to DB, though. The additional group chat with other people was made for the same purpose, which didn't even have DB in it.

"This is a heavy obsession with a fan and also controlling."

Heavy obsession with a PERSON. It wasn't even heavy obsession either, it was more like an attachment to someone who showed me a lot of affection that I got along with quickly and matched my energy.

"These conversations were fast-paced and lacked actual love."

Ven isn't the head analyzer for how much "love" is involved in not only my relationships, but any relationship they're not involved in.

Pt 49

I want to clarify that the "projection" I put on DB that I admit to in the last screenshot was referring to the fact that I wish I didn't project my sexual feelings onto them as a whole because I still felt ashamed about the mentioned association between my gender confusion and how I felt sexually. I've accepted my sexuality. I enjoyed the compliments I got from others while dressed femininely. Should I have accepted that attention online rather than from a partner? No, but it was the only time I've felt that confident in my physical appearance and I have never been spoken to like that in my typically male presentation in my life.

I wanted my sex life to be private but my words have been twisted and there's now this idea that all my discussions I've had with people regarding my gender was with sexual intent. I've been extremely confused about this topic when looking introspectively for the past ten years. Despite that confusion, my intent was never to prey on and groom people.

Pt 51

"He is choosing to run away to comfort himself while leaving the person he traumatized behind and essentially trying to hide his mistakes."

I acknowledge that DB was hurt, but that was news to me at the time. However, no clinical or medical records or statements are provided to show that DB was "traumatized" by me specifically (I only mention this because "traumatized" is a powerful word being weaponized against me). Also, how was I "leaving DB behind" when I thought them ghosting me made it obvious they didn't want to speak to me?

The reason I stated I was going to start fresh was, in fact, to start fresh with how I interact with people online which is why I was at least going to take a break from that friend server I ran.

"What I didn't need is you automatically having the need to start fresh because it made me feel like you were running away and put another weight of stress on this entire thing"

By using the words "it made me feel like you were running away", Ven acknowledges here that the claim of me "running away" was a misunderstanding on their part which concedes that it wasn't the reality of the situation, yet still includes it in the document as a point against me

"From the beginning, we planned to release this publicly"

Another admittance to the premeditated intention of ruining my career because of a relationship I had with someone else.

Pt 52-53

I did not "threaten" Ven with suicide. I was told that I was going to have my sexual history leaked and my career ruined. They weaponized their own alleged suicidal ideation and substance abuse against me in a fit of rage. My sexual history has been something I have been incredibly insecure about for the past ten years of my life and Ven was one of the few people I found solace in confiding in at one point about it. They knew this was my absolute worst fear and it was used to scare me in a fit of their own anger based on a misunderstanding on their part. I said I was going to kill myself because I was going to if I wasn't stopped by family members. Every anxiety-fueled scenario I have ever overthought the possibility of happening didn't even amount to this. But apparently I was the one "threatening" Ven.

Pt 55

I still 100% stand by what I said here. It is fair for me to feel the amount of betrayal, sadness and anger I felt seeing friends advocate to make this public ASAP without me even having the chance to defend myself or provide my side of the story. Not to mention this all happened because Ven leaked this information to the server out of anger by their own admission. The ones in there that deserved an explanation were the few that cared to reach out to me personally. Those are my real friends, not the ones who treat me perfectly well until one bad accusation is said about me and proceeds to immediately advocate for my cancellation online.

Pt 64

I advocated for an "18+ game night" playing games like jackbox or gartic phone where we could be free to use adult topics and humor, which as the name suggests, would only be open to those 18+.

I suggested the face reveal so I could put a face to the names of the ones in the server since this was a developing friend group. I meant it light-heartedly and made sure to not make anyone uncomfortable or pressured to do so.

On a VC video stream we were laughing at bizarre subliminal message youtube videos which I played into by forming the comments involved in the screenshots. Looking back, was it a bit reckless to do this while minors were also in the VC? Yeah. But not in any way predatory, just a lapse of judgment.

Ven says that these are acts of "taking advantage of his fans by using his status." I would like to know where my status came into the picture, as well as how this proves that I am taking advantage of anyone. Ven keeps mentioning the power dynamic stuff when I never once leveraged my platform against anyone.

Pt 65

I felt more comfortable projecting these feelings of mine onto different personas mostly in comedic contexts with friends or server members, the differences between these personas primarily being their own unique styles or aesthetic choices of clothing. I didn't feel comfortable enough yet outright saying that THIS is who I truly am already rather than Alex, so this was a good outlet for me that I've been using since 2022. Ven talks as if their perspective on gender is objective fact when there isn't really a "set" way to go about exploring it.

Pt 66

I took advantage of the help I was offered by multiple people. This statement makes it seem like I chose to specifically only talk to the 16 year old about my issues.

Pt 67

"He would discuss with the minor in private about plans with the outfit."

They offered their help to find the clothes that best matched their interpretation of the art they made. I don't know what else these "plans" are that are never clarified. I also don't understand why the fact that the outfit happened to be based on someone's art has to do with anything or why that's an issue. The 14 year old wasn't sexualized and I had ZERO sexual interactions with them. The 14 year old found out about my sex life from someone else.

Extras

Screenshots below are from this Tumblr post Ven would make after the document was posted on Twitter/X with the purpose of clearing up misinformation. This link leads to an archive of said post because Ven deleted the entire thing soon after posting it:

https://web.archive.org/web/20240317125855/https://www.tumblr.com/stirringjuicee/745117180204548096/alex-kister-and-actively-using-being-trans-to-lure

I don't even need to point it out, but Ven contradicts themselves here, at the very least proving that the claims of me being a groomer has no evidence while still referring to me as such. This is the definition of defamation, and this kind of action has been consistent throughout the entire document.

When Ven addresses the grooming allegation later on Twitter/X, they not only gloss over their apology (despite people accusing me of grooming on multiple platforms), but BLAMES OTHERS for their mistake. If they don't know what they're accusing me of, they shouldn't be making allegations.

Ven expresses the desire to make sure I don't have a career because:

• "you a danger to everyone and you are a disgusting person" (baseless defamatory statement)
• "you're going into hiding about all of this" (a statement later retracted, yet still uses it against me in the document)
• "nothing will erase the harmful impact you made on my mental health" (interpersonal issue)

(From the friend server after Ven leaked information to it)

One other relationship I had where boundaries were never communicated during consensual interactions and they ghost me after forgiving me does not warrant Ven saying "I'm not gonna let this guy destroy other people." It is also expressed that they made this document in an effort to "make sure this guy is never liked by anyone again."

Closing Statements

I completely acknowledge my faults as a partner, creator, and person as whole. I don't want to repeat how I went about entering relationships the way I did with Ven and DB. I fucked up many times and I had many lapses of judgment, but I don't think this kind of treatment was warranted.

Ven claims in this document that the purpose of it is to "warn others", but when behind closed doors they show that it is to end my career out of anger. This document being released containing false baseless accusations and extremely private information about me never proved to be useful information to share online. Ven's threats hanging over my head for the past two and a half months and this document being released has caused me immense emotional distress. I have lost numerous relationships and business opportunities from this, all from false baseless accusations and personal matters. The "groomer" title is incredibly damning to any online creator and now I'll always have that attached to me for the rest of my life which threatens future opportunities, despite Ven saying there was no evidence to suggest that I was a groomer anyways.

I never leveraged my power against anyone, but if there's one thing I take from this it's that I need to force myself to stop interacting with anyone online that I don't have to and maybe make some irl friends and find romantic relationships in real life. When I was 18 and got sudden fame I thought it was an acceptable idea to be able to be friends and be open with fans. I've been warned about this multiple times ever since then, but it was hard for me to process WHY I couldn't be friends with them and oftentimes I had to try and convince myself that it was the truth. After all, I have met some of my best friends I’ve ever had in my life as a result of my projects. Power imbalance is something that I understand the concept of, but it never fully processed (in terms of applying to me) because ever since getting popular online, I have never seen any difference in how I saw my fans than any other person I would walk by on the street. Even just referring to these people as “my fans” makes me cringe because I hate making it sounds like these aren’t just normal people.

Even now I still don't see these people as anything other than normal people, however I am able to stop viewing the situation so objectively and realize that I don't see them the same way they view me, which is hard to accept but something I can recognize as being a problem for both parties. Ever since January 1st I have kept my circle small and stopped starting any kind of relationship with my fans privately. I'm not going to ditch the friends I still have as a result of TMC but I am never making another friend or interacting with someone privately who is aware of my projects before knowing me as a person.

DO NOT HARASS, ATTACK OR BOTHER VEN, THE PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT WITH STATEMENTS, OR ANYONE ELSE INVOLVED. I DO NOT CONDONE THIS BEHAVIOR WHATSOEVER.

(to the few that care, the leaks about where the Mandela Catalogue story is going is not true. I would like to continue the series at some point but I'm going to let things rest for a bit)