Editor notes: To make things easier, I’ll have Cathy Frye’s series quotes in bolded and first, with CJ italicised. I’ve also found an episode of Web of Lies (Season 1, Episode 2) that is about Kacie’s case, and decided to go through it as well. Their information will be underlined while CJ’s will be italicized again. After each one I’ll try to include the reason why I’ve pulled it. My thoughts will be in this format. I’m continuing to dig online to see what other articles are out there that talk about this case, but based on everything I’ve found so far, it’s fairly obvious CJ used these two sources primarily for all their information… the predominant one being Cathy Frye’s series.
Kacie had grown up motherless and had assumed much responsibility at home. She laundered her own clothes, cooked dinner for herself and did her homework without being told.
Now because of this, Kacie had to grow up quickly. She was the only woman in the house now, and by no pressure from her family, she felt like she needed to step up. She did her own laundry, made her own dinners, did all of her homework without even being asked. She was incredibly mature.
I’ve included this one for the similarities between both creators examples on why Kacie was viewed as being mature. When you’ve gotten a list from another source, you’re encouraged to change the order and cite the original to make sure you avoid copying someone else’s work. It’s a small issue, but have included it for transparency.
In 1997, Kacie and her family were driving down Arkansas 287, which is a road, on the way home from a baseball game, when two horses, wild horses, just ran into the middle of the street.
I’ve included this one specifically for information about Arkansas 287. The only other place I see information about this accident is in the obituary written for Kristie Woody. In that they refer to the accident site as Highway 287. Cathy Frye refers to it as Arkansas 287. I see this being a non-issue, because it could be an innocent naming of highways. But again, I included it to be transparent.
One night, when Jessica was sleeping over, the girls were alone in the house talking to Dave on the phone. And all of a sudden they stopped. They hear noises outside, and it sounds like it was someone walking on leaves and sticks. It was November now and even though you couldn’t see out the window, you could hear. Kacie was known for keeping all the lights on in her house, so her window from the inside looking out was just like a black picture framed in her room. But from the outside, Kacie and Jessica were perfectly framed, clear as a photograph for anyone to see. Kacie and Jessica scare themselves, getting more and more worked up over these noises. While they’re still on the phone with Dave, she shoves her dresser in front of her bedroom door to like barricade herself into the room. Then, they hear a floor creak in the kitchen.
Kacie had this like loose board that anyone who was like 100 pounds or over if they walked over it, that board would creak. And so Kacie whispers to Dave on the phone ‘I’m scared. There is someone in my house’. And Dave says ‘no no no, there’s nobody in your house, you’re just imagining things.’. The noises stopped after that...
I’ve pulled these because when separated like they are, they seem innocuous. However as I was reading the part in CJ next to Cathy’s series about the November abduction attempt I felt as though I had read something similar in Cathy’s story earlier. She uses the last two parts as an introduction to her series. But if you take those two parts from Cathy and insert them in the middle, the result is super similar to CJ.
But Sam has a sinking feeling. She knows there in for another fight, because what Kacie didn’t know, is that in Sam’s one on one with their counselor, she kind of threw Kacie under the bus. She didn’t want to get her in trouble, but Kacie wasn’t listening to all of her concerns. Like that picture she got from Scott, it came in the mail. Which means she’d given Scott her home address. And she knew weird things had been happening, like those noises outside of Kacie’s house. Like Kacie could be in danger. What if Scott wasn’t who he said he was? So she tells all of this to the counselor. Now, this counselor did end up pulling Kacie aside and asking her about her interactions with people she met online. Kacie did what a lot of kids would do, what I probably would have done. She lied. She assured the counselor that she had never given her address or her number to somebody that her dad didn’t approve of. And I mean, come on, my dad’s a cop, I’m fine. And this did put the counselor’s mind at ease a little bit. But she lectured Kacie about the dangers of the internet, you don’t know who you’re talking to, they can be anyone, be careful who you fall in love with, and who you let in. Her counselor could not have known how timely her warning was.
I pulled this because again, it comes down to the way the information in CJ is presented. It’s in the exact order that Cathy Frye presents, even if it’s more embellished by CJ. While not a direct pull, it’s obvious that they read this series before doing their podcast.
It just said ‘yeah’. 9:41 would be the last message he got from Kacie, or at least from someone pretending to be Kacie. Shortly before that ‘yeah’ message was sent, something happened to Kacie. Someone could’ve knocked on her door, or they could’ve just walked in, because in the middle of nowhere Arkansas Kacie often didn’t lock her doors, and maybe this person had been there before and maybe they knew that. They put a chloroform rag over Kacie’s face, and took her out of the house. The only sound to be heard was her chat window going off every time she got a message from Scott.
What caught my attention in this part was the speculation of how the intruder entered Kacie’s house. Again, CJ runs everything together, but the delivery is the same (especially when listening to Ashley say it. She leaves this little pause with the comma as though she wanted to separate it into two sentences, like Cathy originally has it).
Around 11:30 Kacie’s brother got home from class to find that there was no Kacie and he immediately called his dad who was on duty. ‘Where is Kacie?’ he asked. And Rick’s like ‘at home’. And he says ‘no she isn’t’.
Kacie’s friends couldn’t wrap their minds around what was happening. How was everyone on the bus to school acting like this was just another normal day?
The phrasing and the use of the word ‘normal’ is what caught my attention. There are so many synonyms for normal that could have been used (usual, ordinary, etc.), and I find it telling that they used the same descriptor as Cathy did.
Also note that in Web of Lies Sam says she was told by her parents she could stay home, but chose to go to school “knowing that she would see Kacie in school and that everything was going to be fine”, and only really realize something bad happened when the cops pulled her.
When online, Kacie uses the screen name ‘modelbehavior36’. “Model behavior” after her favorite TV show and 36 because its her brother Tim’s football jersey number.
Kacie’s screenname was ‘modelbehavior63’ which she named after her favorite Disney movie ‘Model Behavior’ *gasp* and 63 was her brother’s football number
I’ll have to check to see if this information is easily found elsewhere in the morning. It’s the first I’ve seen it outside of CJ though, and it’s almost verbatim from the episode.
We hear a creak in the kitchen. The floor had a little soft spot and a heavy enough weight would make it creak. It’s a heavy creak, so it was, you know, 100-plus pounds.
Then, they hear a floor creak in the kitchen.
Kacie had this like loose board that anyone who was like 100 pounds or over if they walked over it, that board would creak
Wait, 18? … I know how older boys are. You know, and a 13 year old don’t have any business communicating with the older guys. I told her to quit communicating with him, that he was too old for her.
And when Dave has his 18th birthday, Kacie mentions that to her dad. And even her dad is like ‘woah woah woah woah woah, 18. You have no business talking to an 18 year old. You are done with him. Like, don’t ever talk to him again’. But of course Kacie wasn’t done.
Kacie turns to an old schoolyard game. The letters of each boy’s name are given a numerical value. When added up they give a total meant to represent which boy is the better choice. In the end it’s Scott who comes out on top.
And Kacie did the most beautifully 13 year old girl thing to do. Brit do you remember the game in middle school where you would spell out your name, and your crush’s name and then each letter-
Cross off the same letters?
Well, each letter gets like a point value.
And at the end it’s suppose to give you a percentage of like how compatible you are based on your names.
Totally know that.
So that is what she did. And so because of this calculation, she decided that her and Scott were compatible as boyfriend and girlfriend.
“The bed had not been slept in. That was significant in my mind because of the fact that Kacie had disappeared overnight, and Mr. Fuller obviously had not returned to the room. On top of a suitcase were camouflage clothing and latex rubber gloves.
The bed was unslept in, the bags were still packed, and he had this pair of camo colored clothes and rubber gloves on top of his suitcase.
Remove the middle part of this detectives words, and it’s direct quote from Web of Lies in CJ’s podcast episode.
“We went outside on the porch, and just sat on the porch in the freezing cold. For days before, Kacie kept talking about how she wanted it to snow. We were sitting on the porch, and it started to snow, and that was like, heartbreaking for everybody, and we just started crying again.”
They sat on a front porch in the December cold, crying and talking about their friend. Kacie had been waiting for it to snow so long, she kept talking about it in the days before she was murdered, and as they sat there on those steps, it started snowing. And her friends couldn't do anything but cry even harder for the loss of their friend.
I’ll check through Cathy’s article and other online information to see if she uses this kind of language when discussing how Kacie’s friends were after learning of her death, and the reaction to the snow. If I find other information I’ll remove this, but if not it’s another direct pull from a quote Jessica gave in Web of Lies.