Joined on July 29, 2010 at 7:26 PM

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Ellena Bethea: sounds good

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djakes: thank you

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Jerelyne (@jneman): only have old laptop tonight - can't seem to get mic working

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William Coale, Ph.D. to Will Richardson, Shelly Blake-Plock: Sorry...no mic at th moment!

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Jerelyne (@jneman): will do - may run out to car and get the laptop I know works:)

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): Hey there, Russ!

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Russ G: Good eveing, Shelly

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Ryan Bretag: yep :_

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Steven W. Anderson: Glad I could be here...

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): He gets the door prize.

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djakes: @sean Biology teachers rock.

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Sean Nash: Hello...  listen, I don't stop a writing session for...  hardly anything.  This is a quality duo.  I'm in.

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got_legos: Hi all! I'm here to represent El Paso,Texas social studies!

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Sean Nash: Jakes...  you know you're spot-on.

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Russ G: I just paused an episode of Friday Night Lights.

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Russ G: That was my joking voice

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Ellena Bethea: russ goerend?

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Russ G: the one and only i hope

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Ellena Bethea: :) nice to see an SBGer

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timstahmer: I'm waiting for the iPad to support Elluminate so I can sit on the patio and do this kind of thing. :-)

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Russ G: :)

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): Number 3!

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Russ G: Can we define what we mean by "leaders"? Are we talking about admins or people who lead?

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Sean Nash: Russ...  you are in a huge position to influence change.

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Right...how are your philosophies articulated?

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Feel free to chat in questions or thoughts.

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): What kind of 'restrictions' specifically?

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Steven W. Anderson: I think what Russ described is the norm in lots of places. Technology drives teaching, when in realiity it should be the reverse.

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Steven W. Anderson: Ryan I should say...

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Wondering how many of your either are or have leaders who "lead" around technology.

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Sean Nash: Biut "authority" can also be built...  do not be discouraged.

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Tribes is a great book.

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): Tribes: be a leader, don't get 'appointed' leader.

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Ryan Bretag: @Shelly filters, tethered vs mobile, resource allocation, etc

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Love that quote...Leadership is a choice. It's the choice not to do nothing.

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WendyE40: interesting idea about some just being leaders. True.

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WendyE40: And yet, at some point those "leaders" bump up against those who are official leaders.

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Russ G: That quote from Tribes is what I was getting at with my initial question. I think equating admins with "leaders" is a dilution of leadership.

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Ryan Bretag: @Shelly big one who made decisions - we shifted voices to students and teachers

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Clay! Where are you these days?

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Sean Nash: If not a visionary...  find one.  Sit close.

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Ryan Bretag: if they aren't, they need to seek out, embrace, and amplify those that are

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cburell: @Will Deep in pre-digital Chinese history :P

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Moderator (Will Richardson): @Clay Nice. Still in SK?

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WendyE40: I don't think a leader HAS to be a visionary, but they should recognize that about themselves and be able to see those who do

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Sean Nash: Encouragement is amplification.

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cburell: @Will (and more literally, no, in Singapore.

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Moderator (Will Richardson): @clay great you dropped by.

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Steven W. Anderson: But what does it mean to be "visionary" Seems to be a buzzword these days...

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cburell: @Will thx. We're going 1 to 1 in August, w/a new HS Principal to boot. So I'm lurking for anything to share.

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Lyn: I'm an Elem Principal and K-6 Tech Integrator/Coach. Talk about a lot to juggle. But I rarely make a curricular/instructional decision without considering tech impacts in one way or another.

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Moderator (Will Richardson): @Steven agreed...@Sean, how do you define visionary?

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Ryan Bretag: do we need to push technology onto admin programs for future leaders to be successful?

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Amy Pugh: @cburell we are expanding our 1:1 from grade 8, to grades 7, 9, 10 n the fall

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): @Steven Good point; take the mic... elaborate.

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Sean Nash: I think vision is crucial...  but mostly when it is supported by solid practice.  Prove "different" has value...  make people take notice.

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Ryan Bretag: you have to take visionary with leadership

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cburell: @Amy some HS grads this year told me "Thank God we won't be here when the school goes 1 to 1." Interesting to hear.

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Kate Shields: Would it be better to be inspiring than visionary?

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Amy Pugh: the middle school princ was a great leader in getting the 1:1 off the ground and succesful by setting expectations and modeling. PD is als key.

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Moderator (Will Richardson): @Kate Guess it depends on what you inspire people toward.

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WendyE40: maybe visionary can be a simple as never thinking you have all the answers or that you are ever finished learning and improving

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Sean Nash: Visionary leadership....  its the overlap in that venn diagram that matters.

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Steven W. Anderson: I think @Kate is on the right track. Anyone can have a "vision." But to be insipiring leader is something completely different

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Ryan Bretag: I see and hear a lot of "visionary" in a bubble. Good leadership thinks systemic <-- often said, more difficult concept to understand and act upon

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Kate Shields: inspire change perhaps?

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Moderator (Will Richardson): So we can be leaders without vision?

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Russ G: Visionary means.....?

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Amy Pugh: @cburell:we heard that at first, but it quickly changed

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William Coale, Ph.D.: Being a visionary goes beyond giving folks free rein...

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Beth: Support and encouragement is important, too.

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Sean Nash: We can be leaders without "authoring" vision...  but if not, we must support it tenaciously.

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djakes: @sean agreed

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): I have 'strange visions' often. lol.

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Amy Pugh: visionary - inspiring others

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William Coale, Ph.D.: A true visionary can see how things can be, and a true leader can help an organization get there...

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Sean Nash: Is there a hand-raise for the "gray area?"

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Russ G: confusion smiley

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Sean Nash: What is "admin?"

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Sean Nash: Not being trite...

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phsprincipal: Does a vision have to be inspired? shared? Does a vision matter if no one shares it?

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timstahmer: @Shelly strange visions aren't always bad visions. :-)

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Russ G: I'm not being snarky either. Just looking to be on the same page as you all are.

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William Coale, Ph.D.: Vision + Leadership = Progress

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Steven W. Anderson: Good point Patrick. If no one believes, it is still a vision...

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Kate Shields: my challenge is to create a culture of technology as a leader

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): Hey Clay!

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timstahmer: @Sean I think "admin" is more of an assigned title and not necessarily a leader

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Ryan Bretag: Visionary and having vision are not entirely equal. A leader helps to synthesize and articulate the needs and direction of the organization. They often bring together visionary ideas from many to create a path relevant for students. The key in leadership is that you bring life to that vision through your action, support, and direction

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djakes: yes

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Moderator (Will Richardson): yep

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Clay doesn't sleep

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Brian Crosby

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Amy Pugh: leadership in any initiative is support

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Alex Rosenwald: Challenge to leadership is to create a culture of open to change. Knock teachers off their rails every now and then.

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Beth: That is exactly what happened to me. I had kids experiment. They complained. I was asked to back off of time online.

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Hey John! Glad you could join us.

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John Carver: Good Evening to all from #vanmeter : )

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): So, how do leaders turn 'complaint' into 'progress' in this change environment?

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Beth: Evening John.

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John Carver: Greetings to all!

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WendyE40: Effective leaders also need to be able to mentor those coming up with leadership potential

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djakes: Thanks Clay

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mrsenorhill: Hey all

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Steven W. Anderson: Or have the ability to find those people who have leadership potential and use it to the advantage of all..

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Amy Pugh: @cburell: well said. the leader does need back up staff when it gets messy

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WendyE40: @Steve Exactly. It can get awkward for those who aren't technically in "leadership" positions but who are leading in some ways. Not always popular with other teachers

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phsprincipal: not only that, they need to encourage messiness

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Alex Rosenwald: @Wendy @Steve - those admins are not afraid to let their staff take a leadership role and step back, need to be willing to give up the reins

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): "Constant Conversation"

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Steven W. Anderson: @Wendy, yep I see it in my school all the time. But I have an admin who is able to see leadership potential in teachers and students and allow them to flourish...

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WendyE40: also need to be able to keep those up and coming leaders from getting eaten alive by others

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Amy Pugh: parents thus far have been supportive of 1:1. will be interesting to see when it expands to 4 grades in fall

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Hhersey 1: Yes, allowance for messiness is so important.  I feel much more supported in that area right now.

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Alan Buhler: THat might be the key to this all (John's comment?) Things are messy; model that for students - failure is part of life

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): @Steven -- Student role in leadership... that's what I'd like to hear about.

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Steven W. Anderson: And isn't learning itself messy anyway. Learning from failures and from what doesn't work. If we never did anything messy we wouldn't really get anywhere..

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Hey Heather!

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Hhersey 1: Hi, Will!

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oswego98: Good evening all!

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Steven W. Anderson: @Shelly, yep we have students in leadership roles on our School Leaderhship Team. Some teachers hated the idea but many have come a long way...

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Beth: Hi Jason. How have you been?

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oswego98: Busy but good!

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djakes: vision = future preferred state

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cburell: http://thinkleadserve.wikispaces.com/

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Hhersey 1: We'll have students techs next year and we had students at our planning meeting for 1-1 to here how the first year went from their perspective.

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got_legos: @Steven, same thing happened down here when we actually formed a committee with a few graduating seniors!

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djakes: Ryan, jump in!

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Jerry Swiatek: We're going to have students on tech committee for the first time this year.

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Lyn: There are HS and MS reps on our technology steering committee. That was new halfway through last year at my suggestion - not sure how much their voices are heard.

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cburell: good ideas, Ryan

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): Students on staff dev council sounds great!

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Jerelyne (@jneman): I had HS students on our District Assessment Committee - looking at having a student technology advisory this year

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Ellena Bethea: We have students on curriculum committee

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Jerelyne (@jneman): I found a lot of value having their voice in the room -

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Hhersey 1: We are getting students more and more involved and it's been powerful.  I love their honesty!

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timstahmer: The students as part of the decision-making process is a major impediment to change in most American schools. We need them and parents to be more involved.

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John Carver: we do at #vanmeter This is something new in thinking. Kids have not had a say before and it is soemthing new for them

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mrsenorhill: Students completely plan the direction of my class, but I can't convince admins to include student voice in a non-patronizing way

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djakes: well said

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mrsenorhill: admins don't even trust teachers...

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monika: i think that listening to kids is the best research in ed..

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): @mrsenorhill What's the impediment?

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John Carver: you can not leave out the parents ALL stakeholders must have a voice, it is us

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CELeadership: Why are administrators and teachers afraid, though, to include kids?

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): @mrsenorhill So it's about TRUST.

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Connie Sitterley: We had students on strategic plan committees and they did make a difference-their voice was heard and modifications were made based on their imput- We often did informal sessions relating to technology needs-their guidance was valued and valuable

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mrsenorhill: @shelly actual or perceived?

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CELeadership: How do you get over this hurdle with admins and teachers?  Suggestions?

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Kate Shields: start mentoring them young!

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mrsenorhill: I think trust is a big thing, but not all of it

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phsprincipal: that is a great practice

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oswego98: @mrsenorhill: Would love to hear how you structure your classroom to let studends lead the direction fo your class

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Hhersey 1: I'm sorry...my mic isn't operational.  I just got a new computer.  The talk button is greyed out :(  I can chat though...

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John Carver: GREAT thinking Steve point on!  Empower kids Good point to mentor them early

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Ryan Bretag: having representative is fine but teacher nominations is not the direction I would recommend

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Alex Rosenwald: Our principal has a student committee of 4-5 students who meet in her office as a homeroom, but it is more 'social' topics rather than curriculum/instruction decisions

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cburell: that thinkleadserve "Managing Complex Change" pdf is pithily powerful http://thinkleadserve.wikispaces.com/file/view/Managing+Complex+Change+2.pdf thanks for that, John (it was John, right?)

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arden: can someone point me to the pdf mentioned by john? thnx

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got_legos: @mrsenorhill, in what ways do students lead your class? Just curious.

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Lyn: that's why i love eating lunch in the cafeteria with students!

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phsprincipal: It needs to be informal

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phsprincipal: We need to talk to the kids who struggle

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mrsenorhill: I "student source" the entirity of the year at the end of the previous year

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Steven W. Anderson: It is amazing how many schools don't talk to kids or have kids involved in major or even minor decision making in schools...

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mrsenorhill: they create a list of all the things they want to learn

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John Carver: Good evening yes thinkleadserve is our wiki

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mrsenorhill: all the things they want to make

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): Yup

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Moderator (Will Richardson): yep

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mrsenorhill: and all the kinds of people they want to talk to

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John Carver: Hi Heather

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arden: got it. thnx!

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monika: that's a great idea

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mrsenorhill: They find the tools to do it (for the most part, I find many myself too...)

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Heather is at my old school...

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Doing some very cool stuff there.

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cburell: @arden see link above your request :)

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oswego98: @Hherdey1 - what grade are these students?

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got_legos: @mrsenorhill, so creation and discovery, are they the focus here?

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Jerelyne (@jneman): We are starting to implement something similar this year - would love to connect with you Heather

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Norman: hi everyone

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Norman: sorry to be late

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Hhersey 1: We're excited to have you coming back in!

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mrsenorhill: It works for us

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Norman: why are students not the committee

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mrsenorhill: @got_logos "it works for us"

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Hhersey 1: The students are high school...9-12.

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Norman: why dont students decide what is studied

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mrsenorhill: But I couldn't imagine it any other way

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Hhersey 1: Hi, John!

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Amy: we have students on tech committee and strategic planning committee

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djakes: personally, I think its critical

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mrsenorhill: not that important (maybe 3/10?)

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monika: the impact

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oswego98: @mrsenorhill Those are awesome ideas!  What grade levels (s) do you teach?

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mrsenorhill: I teach K-8

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mrsenorhill: Spanish

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Kate Shields: understanding impact is more important than understanding how everything wokrs

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phsprincipal: It is important to understand.  Yes it should be a requirement

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mrsenorhill: They create the vocabulary lists too

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Sean Nash: Again...  if you don't understand it.  Sit very close by to someone who does.  Seek that out.

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CELeadership: I don't think it is important that they know, but they need to want to learn!  That's the difference.

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Connie Sitterley: We involved students in looking at the AUP when it needed to be revised-they made suggestions for wording changes and in how it is shared with students and enforced-their ideas were incorporated

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mrsenorhill: @CELeadership yes!

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Hhersey 1: @Jerelyne my twitter name is hhersey03.  please get in touch!

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Beth: I definitely think it should be required. How can they even have a vision if they don't know what is possible?

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mrsenorhill: Think of startups

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mrsenorhill: Every person doesn't have to be a designer

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mrsenorhill: every person doesn't have to be a financial person

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Jerelyne (@jneman): Will do mine is @jneman - We are excited about gettign started

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mrsenorhill: everyperson doesn't have to be a saleperson

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Moderator (Will Richardson): I remember

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CELeadership: I think it is okay for leaders to rely on experts in other areas.  They don't need to know everything, but they do need to know how/where to find out.

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got_legos: @mrsenorhill, how do you model this kind of leadership for students? Does it begin the first day of school?

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monika: we should all be learners... that should all look the same whatever our title

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Steven W. Anderson: Totally agree with @Beth. They should be a part of the same technology staff development that teachers are...

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mrsenorhill: the entire group has to be competent as a aggregate

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John Carver: Heather check out our wiki thinkleadserve go to the Student work page CEWL presentation VERY COOL

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Alex Rosenwald: Leaders need to be willing to learn about the new technologies, don't necessarily need to be experts

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mrsenorhill: @got_legos I see the same kids every year (K-8)

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Alex Rosenwald: We don't expect English teachers to read all books...

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phsprincipal: the administrator should also be part of the community of learners

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Amy: we included students in policy change conversations around social media and personal technology use at school

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Norman: students dont plan how to use them,,,they just use them

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Ellena Bethea: Teachers aren't really talking with each other about those things

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mrsenorhill: so my 5th graders, for example, are my 6th graders this year

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Steven W. Anderson: Again, kids have to be involved. How can we teach kids we don't know anything about. Making connections with kids is critical

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phsprincipal: he/she should lead the learning

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mrsenorhill: I show them a blank wiki on the first day

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mrsenorhill: and a blank edmodo site

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CELeadership: Admins should attend EVERY in-service or workshop that teachers are required to attend.

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mrsenorhill: and a blank wordpress site

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Hhersey 1: I learned a lot about what our students did with technology talking to the 1-1 pilot teens.  They even asked if we could block a game because it was distracting.

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William Coale, Ph.D.: Leadership by example is indeed important!

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monika: will richardson taught me to do it for myself first

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mrsenorhill: and tell them I haven't planned anything, just prepared myself to organize the space, the tech, the resources, and prepared myself to learn

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Norman: bet they are not paperless in the bathroom:)

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timstahmer: We also need to get beyond "technology" and look at how we structure curriculums and classrooms. Do they fit with the students' needs and the way they learn.

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Beth: So many administrators I know are baffled by these tools. They need to get beyond the 'wow" factor and see the true potential they offer.

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mrsenorhill: we then brainstorm (or continue from our brainstorms from the previous year)

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mrsenorhill: the first project

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mrsenorhill: They come up with an idea

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mrsenorhill: or ideas

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mrsenorhill: and we go from there

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Amy: leaders need to model

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): @Beth -- Getting beyond "wow"... exactly.

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Jerelyne (@jneman): @Beth exactly

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mrsenorhill: I provide the linguistic expertise

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mrsenorhill: or the methods

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Alex Rosenwald: Admin who aren't knowledgeable may only be getting the media's take on social media

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Beth: Tools need to actually be implemented now showcased.

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Alex Rosenwald: ...and all the ills that come along with that

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mrsenorhill: and the IT support (but they're getting better at that and doing more and more everyday)

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djakes: @Alex.  That applies to teachers as well

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jonbecker: I'm here now with all the answers.

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Jon got his kids to sleep.

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mrsenorhill: the process of discovering all of that and creating all of that to me is as important as them learning the language

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got_legos: @mrsenorhill, so your role, more mediator than expert or vice versa?

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Alex Rosenwald: @djakes Absolutely. Problem in my school is that the admin are the gatekeepers, stifle innovation there

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Hhersey 1: @beth awesome...implemented not showcased.  Nice!

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timstahmer: jonbecker is my guru! :-)

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mrsenorhill: depends on the situation @got_legos

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Jerelyne (@jneman): @Beth  also need to make sure we are getting the right tools and not going after the newest shiney object

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djakes: Understood

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mrsenorhill: sometimes (linguistics, tech, organization, social interaction)

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mrsenorhill: I am an expert

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jonbecker: Have you discussed the ISLLC standards yet?

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mrsenorhill: other times, I am more at just mediating

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mrsenorhill: *of just a mediator

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Beth: @Jerelyne Yes! So important to have the right tool and not try to force a tool to do something it wasn't designed to do.

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djakes: @jonbecker.  Thats occurring at ISLCCChat

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got_legos: the situation then justifies the position of leadership?

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Russ G: In the context of technology, why would we call someone a leader if they can't lead?

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jonbecker: where's ISLLCChat?

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Kate Shields: my principals and teachers have just caught on to weekly emails...how do I push them do have a blog for weekly emails and embrace more social media...encourage all the stakeholders to participate..students...parents

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Norman: principals and administrators are all imposed authority

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Ryan Bretag: Modeling is important but I look at it not from model social media, tech use, etc.

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Lyn: It's impossible to model every tool!  But leaders have to be willing to take risks with tools that will benefit their stakeholders. And they should always be willing to learn more as new  tools and uses are unveiled.

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Norman: that is not emerging leadership

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monika: i think it's like a foreign language (tech or twitter), you need to find a passion that drives you to using it

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Moderator (Will Richardson): Can they get to the curricular shifts without some real practical context?

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Ryan Bretag: I look at it from the perspective that they need to model risk-taking.

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Alex Rosenwald: I talked to my principal about using social media as part of my class.  She told me she was afraid of lawsuits and cyberbullying and to drop it.

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mrsenorhill: @monika agreed

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jonbecker: ISLLC + NETS-A= https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AWSw6MlztSexZGZ0d253NXZfN2c5ZjNtM2Nx&hl=en

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Norman: you dont model risk takling

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Norman: you take risks

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cburell: Re: Student resistance to 1 to 1: "This editorial from our high school student newspaper is a must-read for its criticism of the school-wide technology integration initiative.... http://beyond-school.org/2009/12/25/on-using-technology-without-understanding-it/

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John Carver: Some of THE best to follow @web20classroom, @tomwhitby @shannonmmiler, @findingDulcinea, @ShellTerrell

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djakes: @alex.  What if you would have inquired about networked learning or academic networking?

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Ryan Bretag: @Norman exactly

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Steven W. Anderson: Thanks John.

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mrsenorhill: In my district, great leaders don't stand in the way

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mrsenorhill: (is that cynical?)

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Beth to oswego98: Ugh....my ed tech is in here so I have to be very careful what I say. He reports EVERYTHING back to my supt.

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mrsenorhill: And in their lack of involvement, they create in me (and my kids) autonomy

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Sean Nash: http://www.newspressnow.com/news/2010/may/09/embracing-technology/

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Ryan Bretag: if you take risks, you are modeling a disposition, a belief about what it means to be a professional

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Alex Rosenwald: @djakes Might have made a difference but not really. After Will presented to our school, she told us that his message was dangerous (sorry Will!)

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Beth to oswego98: if you reply to this make sure yu send just to me!

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Moderator (Will Richardson): (Please remember that moderators can see all private chats.)

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djakes: I'm sorry to hear that...

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Norman: why cant you do that on the phone

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Moderator (Will Richardson): http://www.newspressnow.com/news/2010/may/09/embracing-technology/

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CELeadership: Our disconnect is that every legal training we go to warns admins to NOT participate in online communities since everything that is put in writing lives forever.  It's sad, really.  So many leave afraid to take risks in technology and direct their admin colleagues and teachers to refrain from using it too.

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Alex Rosenwald: @djakes However, I'm a "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" kind of guy, so I've been trying to build support among like-minded (& tenured) teachers to go ahead with some of our crazy ideas

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cburell: @sean good link, thx (and Long Time No Talk!)

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John Carver: Guys we need to "burn the boats" and go forward

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Jerelyne (@jneman) to cwest: Christy - Where do you think the CICs are with 21st learning/tools - (if you want to just respond to me where it says send to choose my name)

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Sean Nash: I know Clay...  I miss some of those (digital) conversations.

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CELeadership: @willrich45 Yes!

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cwest to Jerelyne (@jneman): I think we are all over the board.

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Connie Sitterley: a part of leadership is having a person with educational background in the tech leadership roles-not just guarding the network

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got_legos: @sean, great article! risk-taking in technology down here in El Paso, TX is still controversial!

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Beth: @CELeadership I am wondering why admin are warned to not have an online presence when there are so many admin. out there who are so transparent and have a huge online presence.

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Jerelyne (@jneman) to cwest: We are adding a 21st Century Lead person in each school this year - working on the posting

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Lyn: I went to bat for certain formerly-blocked technologies with our tech supervisor (non-education background)

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Norman: we all need to ignore them and just go on facebook

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Lyn: luckily i was able to garner superintendent support

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Lyn: it wasn't easy...

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Norman: and twitter

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cwest to Jerelyne (@jneman): That would be great!

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Norman: did you ever think about not being a school

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CELeadership: @Beth  That's what I wonder.  I keep telling people to go to Twitter and see who is on there and sharing great, transformative information!

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Jerelyne (@jneman) to cwest: If you know anyone from NP send the names my way so I can encourage them

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Sean Nash: Jakes...   focusing on teaching and learning.  Rebel.   ;)

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Connie Sitterley: I had 24 years in classroom before I was tech director-it was helpful when I talked to superint and other admins since I could come from "both sides" of the "argument"

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John Carver: It is about control and power and the FEAR of loosing control and power

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CELeadership: @Beth Don't we want to be a part of that?

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CELeadership: I know I do.

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cwest to Jerelyne (@jneman): Will do!

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djakes: really?

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Sean Nash: Jakes-  of course not.  IMO.

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jonbecker: @John Carver - do you think you could do what you're doing at VanMeter in a large school district?

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Norman: @john Carver first real words I have heard here

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Beth: @CELeadership So many great examples of educational leaders who are online and share so much. They need to be the examples we point to.

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Norman: it is about power and control

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CELeadership: @JohnCarver  It is cliche to say, but isn't it more powerful to give up that control and see what happens?

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timstahmer: The biggest problem with connecting the terms "teaching" and "learning" is that you don'

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Kathleen: Working with students in our school must students already have Facebook pages and I feel we need to show them the correct way to use this tool. Even younger student have FB accounts

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timstahmer: Try that again... you don't need a teacher to learn.

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Sean Nash: I agree...  it all must be about deep, authentic learning.  Mass media can derail the train if you do not bring them into the fold...  and literally teach them what the current landscape looks like.

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John Carver: jonbecker YES what we are doing can be scaled and replicated

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Norman: @kathleen who says we have the correct way to use the tools

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Ryan Bretag: if you want to shift teaching, start with helping the school community understand learner, how people learn, and how those two inform teaching

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Hhersey 1: Oh...I can't believe I forgot.  Going back to student involvement...we'll have a "help desk" in our library next year that will be staffed by students, teachers, and tech folks.  Right in the middle of the library...awesome!

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Kathleen: When I say correct way I mean what they post on their site they need guidence in what to post

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Connie Sitterley: @Hhershey-great idea

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monika: i agree... it should be a community support facilitation

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djakes: what does right there mean?

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Norman: @kathleen why

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John Carver: CELeadership give up power to become more powerful YES it takes the system to a new level

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CELeadership: This is making me think about student involvement again.  How do these students want to learn/learn best?  Many need technology to truly process information.

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Norman: @me why do we need classrooms

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monika: can a non admin talk

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Jerelyne (@jneman) to cwest: Looking at those leads go through the next group to go through PLP  - Watching our Shift Happens program to see if there are people emerging there for those roles

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Norman: power to the people:)

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Hhersey 1: Oh...so important!!!  I want to be surrounded by learners!

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jonbecker: Y'all need to push your local ed. leadership programs to do better

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CELeadership: Absolutely critical.

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timstahmer: Got to run... the taxi is back on duty :-)  Thanks for a good conversation everyone.

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JenniferW: @CE Leadership -- really?  you believe students really need technology to process information??

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Connie Sitterley: Not only admins should be learners-teachers should be learners

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Sean Nash: I can't imagine any other way, Will.  Nothing to elaborate.

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Moderator (Will Richardson): ha ha

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Ryan Bretag: three core questions I ask in an interview: how do people learn? how do you learn? how do these inform your approach to the classroom?

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Jerelyne (@jneman): @hhersey - looking at our student techs to possibly work with the business dept. to design it as an in district "business"

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Norman: @ryan what is a bad answer

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): @Ryan And how does that apply not just to teachers, but to admins?

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Hhersey 1: @Jerelyn that sounds great!

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monika: this is such an incredible time to learn

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John Carver: FEAR

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oswego98: I think at the classroom level if you are percieved by your students as a learner & willing to take risks your students will be more willing to do the same

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Sean Nash: Is it important that it is essential that an admin be a "learner?"  Is oxygen essential?

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CELeadership: @JenniferW  I think many need some element of technology to see purpose in the learning and to be truly engaged.  It isn't the only way they process info, but it is an important element.

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Kathleen: @Norman because what I see on their page I as their teacher think it can be better.  They place compromising pictures and posting that they write

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Ryan Bretag: @Shelly yes -- the final question is framed "learning environment"

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Steven W. Anderson: People fear what they do not know. All of us here are examples of know of examples of good use of tech in leadership roles. We have to share our successes (and failures) to get more on board...

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Norman: @kathleen compromising to who

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Beth: @oswego98 Why do you think your students are so willing to experiment in your classroom. YOU are a great model for them.

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John Carver: Principals and SUPTS

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oswego98: @Beth - thanks beth!

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JenniferW: @CE -- I cannot totally agree with that....I agree it is an element but do not think it should be labels Important -- which then could mean methods are less important.

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Norman: @kathleen how many students have ever been attacked on the internet

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phsprincipal: and directors @JohnCarver

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Sean Nash: "Tech for Tech's sake."  Agreed.  Not good.

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John Carver: The BIG question what is the vision of learning in th Unites States?  New committee of 10?

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mrsenorhill: is "learning for learnings sake" any better?

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Hhersey 1: I think you just had the last word, Will.

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John Carver: THX Will this has been GREAT!

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Norman: cant we stay

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Kathleen: @Norman to the student because any thing they post can demean them in some way

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monika: thanks guys

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Steven W. Anderson: Thank you Will and Shelly!

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mrsenorhill: or "textbooks for textbooks" sake?

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phsprincipal: I think so John...I think it is time

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djakes: Thanks Will, Thanks Shelley

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): Thanks everybody!

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JenniferW: we have a time limit??

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cburell: bye all, thx will and shelly

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Lyn: Thanks to all!

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djakes: Shelly, sorry, no e, apologize

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phsprincipal: Thanks for hosting this conversation!

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arden: here's why i like edtech - a group full of teachers and no one wants the last word! i love it :)

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WendyE40: thanks Will and Shelly

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Sean Nash: Shelly, Will...   don't link to Twitter... link to your blogs.  Deeper conversation still holds more weight.

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Norman: not if it doesnt demean them in their own mind

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got_legos: Thanks to everyone for putting up with a newbie!

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William Coale, Ph.D.: Thanks, all!

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Sean Nash: Thanks guy.

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Ryan Bretag: @Norman there are plenty of answers that would be problematic

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Sean Nash: guys.

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Norman: that is self determination

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Sean Nash: ;)

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Ellena Bethea: thanks @Will @Shelly

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mrsenorhill: puppy chau

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Alex Rosenwald: Thanks for Will and Shelley - awesome.  Loved this.

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Kathleen: Thank you

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djakes: Its Stager

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Connie Sitterley: Thanks all and good ninght

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Jerelyne (@jneman): Thanks:)

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock): See you all soon.

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Hhersey 1: Thanks, folks!

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arden: thnx!

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cwest: Thanks!

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Norman: what happens if we keep talking

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mrsenorhill: @shelly!  we need to skype about the wifi stuff...

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Norman: i guess the bell rang

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Norman: time to move to the next module

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Norman: we are all in the matrix

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Moderator (Shelly Blake-Plock) to Will Richardson, Shelly Blake-Plock: Thanks Will. These keep getting better, I think.

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got_legos: Thanks Will & Shelly, this was very much worth it!

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Norman: i want the rebellion to start

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Norman: bye all

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Norman: i try to every day

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Norman: it was fun