OpenStreetMap Foundation

Licensing Working Group

  Tuesday 10th July 2012

18:00 -  18:50 GMT

Agenda & Minutes


Present: Henk Hoff,  Michael Collinson, Simon Poole, Grant Slater

Apologies: Richard, Oliver, Dermot

Minutes by: Michael

1. Adoption of Minutes of last meetings

The LWG last met July 3rd.

Proposed: Henk

Seconded: Simon


2. MATTERS ARISING (open action items from previous meetings)

  • Grant - Get a license and attribution page link as an XML Comment into these APIs: Rails API. (should be complete soon)
  • Mike -  combine Bing Imagery License comments as a succinct list for forwarding to Microsoft legal.
  • Mike - Incorporate into foundation landing page
  • Mike - Provide text to Grant re and friends in Sept 20th minutes. ?OS or linking to attribution page or both? … liaise with CWG 
  • Mike - Thank pavel for kindly agreeing to use the bulk of his contributions.
  • Grant - DMCA address update
  • Grant - We also need to have better set of DMCA-related links to satisfy US / UK / German law.
  • Mike - Data imports & reciprocal licenses. Air to Management team and to legal-talk.

3. Finalise today's agenda

4. Redaction starts Wednesday July 11th

Richard Fairhurst announced Monday night that the formal redaction process will start Wednesday.  Our thanks to everyone in the rebuild group, especially Matt Amos, Andy Allan, Knut Karevoll (Gnonthgol), for coding and Dermot and Richard for organisation.

Update on OSM Poland situation from Simon: We have a list of good objects but still not of bad objects (contributors who have accepted CTs but have imported non-agreed UMP data). Simon has done an initial analysis and has come up with a list of 1,200 change-sets (max, some will be false positives) to review further. He is working actively with Matt Amos and Andy Allan to make sure these are dealt with correctly … probably just needs a couple of days to fully fix.

5. Post-Redaction Steps

These questions come from CWG. We answer as follows:

- when should OSM switch from distributing a CC-BY-SA planet to an ODbL one?

We see this as the same as announcing that extractions from the live database are now ODbL licensed.  In terms of due process, this should be a formal OSMF board minute and a specific date/time.  Rebuild team informs LWG that redaction is complete --> LWG review whether there are any factors that should stop it. --> LWG makes a formal recommendation to Board to throw the switch.

Note: LWG would like to get our formal DMCA web-form complete by them, (as distinct from free-form email or postal letter). Grant to work on this.

- should there be a short period (e.g. one week) of dual-licensing, in particular to help people running tile-servers who can't practically flip a switch immediately?

We see no need for this, ODbL planet dumps and minutely diffs will come from a different source, so either tile-servers continue consuming the old data (and get zero updates) or use the new source and so use the new ODbL data.  

We understand that attribution changes need to be made and that we should allow folks a reasonable amount of time to do that.

- how will map tiles on be affected?

Nothing legal changes except to acknowledge that the data source is now ODbL; tiles themselves remain CC-BY-SA. Service may slow done due to the amount of change occurring, but attempts will be made to follow the redaction process with new tiles as soon as possible so that folks can review what has happened to their areas.

- And is there anything we have not thought about?

  • Identify any services that need databases reloading. We are aware of Nominatum.
  • LWG should review any formal announcement(s) on the switch.
  • Focus on users of data rather than contributors, completely update license pages and FAQ. A lot of if this, if that can be eliminated!

6. Hall of Shame

  • Azzugia - Corrected version has still not yet made it to app store.

7. AOB

Next Meeting:

Tuesday July 17th 18:00 UTC / 19:00 BST(UK) / 20:00 CEST