Table of Contents

Usage Notes

Updates (As of 07/11/2015)

New Entries

Updated Entries

Housework

The Grail Wars

Servants (Sabers, Berserkers, Assassins, Lancers, Archers, Riders, Casters, and Anomalies)

Artoria

Excalibur

Excalibur Image

Rhongomyniad

Dragon Incarnate/Element/Factor/Reactor/Blood

Classes

Limitation to Saber

Potential as Caster

Relationship with Ilya in the Fifth War

Lily and Alter: Villainy and Heroism

Grand Order Presence

Mordred and Morgan

Berserkers

Lancelot

What even are his base stats; what does the F/Z sheet show?

Knight of Honour

Arondight

VS. Gilgamesh

Herakles

Side Material

God Hand

Speed

Provenance of the Axe-Sword

Nine Lives

Further Réalta Nua changes

In Hollow

Mad Enhancement, Ilya and Herakles, and their changes from F/SN to Réalta Nua

Assassin Class

False Assassin

Hundred-Faced Hassan

Fifth War True Assassin

On Dirks (and Darks)

Jack the Ripper

Diarmuid

Cú Chulainn

Qualifications for other classes

Gáe Bolg (CM2 etc.)

Interaction with Kotomine and Command Spells

Killing Women

Lancer vs. Lancer

Karna

And Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

EA

The god (?)

Cannot be copied

NUMBERS! (This is always a bad idea)

Armour

Gate of Babylon

Snakes And Immortality

Effect on his kingdom

The Man of Many Moods: Gil’s changing attitude

As a Counter Guardian?

Vs. Arcueid; Firepower

Vs. Lancelot

Vs. Grail

Ḫuwawa

Destroying Hollow Ataraxia

Based on Proto-Saber

And Karna

EMIYA

Memories

EXTRA

EMIYA VS Medusa clarification

Medusa

Iskander

Ἰόνιοι Ἑταίροι

The Gordias Wheel

The Sword of the Cypriots

Iskander’s Bisexuality

Perseus

Personality

Francis Drake

Medea

Her Nasuverse ‘history’

Her Spatial Transfer (Imitation of True Magic); Innate Time Control Translation

Bounded Fields

Medea’s Item Creation; Territory Creation

Effects of her legend; healing magic

Rule Breaker

Gilles de Rais

Tamamo-no-Mae

Cursecraft

Full Power

On Gender

Avenger

Third Magic and the Grail

Tawrich and Zarich

Verg Avesta

Servant Skills

Battle Continuation

Eye(s) of the Mind

Eternal Arms Mastery

Disengage

Rider of the Storm

Pioneer of the Stars/Explorer of the Planet

Divinity

Mad Enhancement

Imperial Privilege

Divinely Gifted Wisdom

Potnia Theron

Noble Phantasms

Proto-NPs and their development

Noble Phantasm Numbers

Noble Phantasm Classifications

Limitation By Class?

Aias' Capabilities

Argon Coin

Super Kanshō and Bakuya – serious and non-serious, with Zunbararin!

Gram (and Excalibur)

What Makes A Servant?

Qualifying as a Heroic Spirit

‘Fake’ Heroes

Easterners Need Not Apply

Class Concepts

Base Servant Parameters

Parameter Definitions

Variation in Servant Classes

Parameter Values

E=10 &c.

Plusses to ranks

Strength equating to 'normal' attack strength

Can Servants be hurt by mundane weapons?

Servants as the Air Force

Servants summoning their Noble Phantasms/other gear

Anti-Heroes

Life Sharing – The Pronouncement of Two Deaths As One

Effects of legends on the Servant

What stage of their life do Servants seem to be at?

The Moon Cell

Continuity

Its Heroic Spirits

Is A TYPE Or Something

Far and Near Sides

Spirit Form and Magical Detection (of Masters & of Servants)

Masters

Shirō

Unlimited Blade Works

Sexism

Rin guesses his element

Puppet body

CapSaba

Kiritsugu

Is a lolicon

Contender & Origin Bullets

The Einzbern

Wish-granting Attribute

The Tōsaka Family (with added Zelretch and Edelfelt)

Residence

Conversion Attribute; Family Tree; Involvement With Zelretch And The Edelfelts

Tōsaka Nagato and his daughter

Rin

Origin

Birthday

Magecraft

Future

EXTRA

Kotomine

Martial arts & the Tōsaka

Stewardship of the Tōsaka inheritance

Magecraft

He Lies! About Lying!

Timeline

10th Anniversary mini-bio

Original Assassin Fight

Vs. Ciel

Sancraid

The Makiri/Matō

Name

Residence

Zōken

Never a Master

Sakura

Magecraft

Origin

Birthday

Alter Egos

Shinji

Kariya

Capacity; Capability for supporting Servants

Return to Sakura; Zōken collecting Grail fragments

Romance with Tokiomi

Roles of the three Founding Families

Kayneth Archibald El-Melloi

Volumen Hydragyrum

Waver Velvet, Lord El-Melloi II

Bazett

Perfect Level 30 Bazett

Fragarach

Vs Ciel

Alice

Leo

Masters affecting Servant Capability

The selection of Masters

Functions of the Master/Servant Path

Command Spells

Design dependent on Master’s magical elements/attributes

Healing

Timelines

Limited Grail War Duration

Date of the Third Holy Grail War and the Second World War

Date of the Fourth Holy Grail War

Fifth War Servant Summoning Timeline

Apocrypha Continuity

Meta-Commentary and Miscellaneous

Spin-offs And Their Own Worlds

The Early Wars

The Supervision of the Wars by the Church

The Necessity Of Paying A Visit

Wishing on the Grail

Ryūdōji

Protections

Nasu’s 'Gelman'

Fate/Stay Night Length (by route)

Themes of F/SN

HF True - “hypocrisy”; HF Normal - “the natural conclusion”

Last Episode

Scrapped Routes

Hollow Ataraxia and DDD and the theme of ‘repair’

Unlimited Codes Authorship

EXTRA and CCC production info

Strange Fake Production Info

Fame and Type-Moon’s selection of Servants

Fate/Zero Anime Visual Guide 2 Info

F/Z Translation Errors

Aksys’ Extra translation

Nasuverse Magic

Magus Characters

The true Emiya magecraft and its users

The Barthomeloi

Merlin

Natalia Kaminski

Maiya

Magecraft

Relationship With Kiritsugu

‘Normal’ Magecraft

The Magic Association

Runes

Divine Words vs. normal Magecraft

Casting Times/Terminology

Breathing And Walking

Mystic Codes and Formal Wear

The loss of mystery inhibiting magecraft

Magic Resistance

Life expectancy of magi and homunculi

Ether

Mystic Eyes and variants thereon

Death Perception

Marble Phantasm

Reality Marbles

Defeating Reality Marbles

Projection

During UBW’s deployment

Confusion about ‘magic’

Reinforcement

Of Living Beings

Jewel Thaumaturgy

Divination & Prophecy

Circuits

General

Magi New To Their Circuits

Crest Transfer

Leyline interference

Japan and magecraft

Alchemy

Atlas

Western Alchemy

Formalcraft

True Magic

Magicians

Obtaining True Magic

The First Magic

Why is it thought to be “Denial of Nothingness”?

The First and Stanrobe

The Third Magic (plus some Avenger and the Grail stuff)

The Third’s Name

Previous user?

The Fifth Magic

In Melty

In EXTRA

Aoko

Spell-casting

Trip to Arimago

The Strongest … something

Vs. Crimson Moon

VS. Arcueid

Resurrection

Transmutation?

Abnormal Powers

ESP

Circuits

ESP vs Magecraft

Rakkyō

Ryōgi

「」 Shiki's power

「」 Shiki's genesis

Sword skill

「」 fights Araya

Araya

Kurogiri

Origin

Alba

Power; Kayneth Compatibility

Origin

Fate/Zero Anime

Fujino

Fake Fighting Game stuff

The Bridge

Correcting Cokesakto

Paradox Spiral - Möbius strip

Paradox Spiral - Counter Force

Paradox Spiral - Araya

Paradox Spiral - Final Boss Fight

Oblivion Recorder - Final Fight

Separation of KnK and Tsukihime

Tsukihime

Tōno Shiki

Magus?

Vs. Shirō (Overflow)

Vampires

General

Terminology

Bloodsucking

VS Servants

VS faith and crosses

Cross-breeding With Humans

Regeneration

Arcueid

Stats - interpretations

Other Arc powerlevel rubbish

Millennium Castle

In EXTRA

Weak to Shinto and South American magecraft

Vs Reality Marbles

Vs. Servants; Vs. Gil; Planet backup

VS Aoko

Roa

VS Ciel; hand-to-hand skills

NRVNQSR

Beasts

Zelretch Vs. Crimson Moon

Oni

Crimson Red Vermillion

Akiha

The Church

The Divisions Of The Church

Ciel

Names: Ciel and Bow

Regeneration and Paradox

Her Black Keys

Powered Ciel

Magecraft

Faith

Vs. Roa

Vs. Bazett

Almighty

Timeline

Seven

Black Keys generally; Keys of Providence; Crosses

Riesbyfe

Brute Strength

Angel Notes

The Aristoteles

The Land of Steel

Avenger on the dying world

Witch Swift Umbrella

Ado Edem

Black Barrel

Replica

Cross-Series Concepts

Different Timelines of the Nasuverse

Origins

Alaya

Action of Alaya and the Counter Force

Spirit categories: Divine; Heroic; Guardians; Elementals; Wraiths; Apparitions

Divinity Affecting Heroic Spirit Status - Humanity vs. the World

Gods and Devils

Wraiths, Apparitions, Vengeful Spirits

Body and Soul

The Ages of the Nasuverse

Murderers of Humans

The Greatest Of The Divine Beasts

‘Mundane’ Martial Arts

The Writers of Type Moon

As a Group

Are Total Children

Nasu

Gender roles

Compulsive liar

Motto

Is Amused By His Fans Trying To Make Sense of Anything

Takeuchi

Is kind of a paedo

The Miscest of the Misc

Nasu Food

Nasuverse Smokers

10th Anniversary Festival Popularity Poll Results


Usage Notes

        

        

        


Updates (As of 07/11/2015)

Previous update was: 01/01/2015

New Entries

Updated Entries

Parameter Definitions updated with notes on the subtleties of Agility.

Karna’s Ruler qualification was an incorrect rumour.

Nasu’s lies updated with his resumption in Grand Order of writing Fate material.

Artoria’s Grand Order presence is fanservice &c.

Housework


The Grail Wars

Servants (Sabers, Berserkers, Assassins, Lancers, Archers, Riders, Casters, and Anomalies)

Artoria

Excalibur

/Interesting. When this whole thing originally came up I suggested that this might be one of the big problems -- he can probably "read" the blueprint since "the wishes of mankind" isn't an alien concept, but recreation is impossible as Shirou's not capable of comprehending it on the magnitude of the world. People were a bit skeptical that it actually contained "wishes" as a material though -- "it was created in response to the wishes of mankind", I think it was?/

Yes. It was probably not a good choice of word. A better translation of the original Japanese is "using.... as the basis" instead of "using... as raw material".

The process is basically you take the wishes of people, and make them true through this "crystallisation" process at the Earth's core.

/So it goes from being a Last Phantasm to a Strongest Phantasm. Still seems more like a title than a fact since "hey Enuma Enlish". Also pretty impressive sounding./

"Last Phantasm" and "Strongest Phantasm" are one and the same, just like how "Caladbolg" and "False Spiral Sword" are the same.

Last Phantasm currently is pretty much a hollow category, because it was only mentioned in Excalibur.

It is just pretty much another adjective for "Excalibur is strong", at the moment.

(Forum Source)

-The pinnacle of holy swords. Excalibur was not forged by mankind, but crystallised within the Earth, using the wishes of mankind as the basis. It is one of the ultimate God-forged weapons, a Last Phantasm. Originally cared for by the Faeries of the Planet, it was passed into the hands of King Arthur through the Lady of the Lake.

...

A: Divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur are non-replicable. There might be some degraded NPs with similar performance in stock though. Also, since sword is becoming his origin, the weapons that he has stored are fundamentally limited to close combat.

(CM3)

- Nope, UBW works by Shirou scanning a sword by very specifics steps and after that scan he can pull an almost perfect copy out of it, if something goes wrong on those steps the copy should be imperfect.

Shirou copied Excalibur wrong from the start that is why he cannot use a perfect copy.

At least that is how I interpreted.

(Forum Source)

[Interesting and vaguely plausible interpretation]

- thenne he drewe his swerd Excalibur, but it was so breyght in his enemyes eyen that it gaf light lyke xxx torchys.

(Malory, Le Morte D’Arthur Book I, Chapter IX)

- あたりには何もない。

何もかも吹き飛んだ山頂は、まったいらな荒野に変わっていた。

So, less "Everything is gone. The destroyed mountain is now a flat field." and more "The scene is desolate. Everything on the mountaintop has been blown away, leaving behind a flattened wasteland."

(Forum Source - refers to Fate, Day 15, Gold separation)

- 所有者の魔力を光に変換し、収束・加速させることにより運動量を増大させ、神霊レベルの魔術行使を可能とす る聖剣。

[Status Screen Japanese about the whole acceleration of prana and conversion into light thing.]

(Forum Source)

-  発動は、それこそ瞬間だった。

出力を抑えている、というのもあるだろうが、宝具の展開は一秒とかからない。

一度発動してしまえば、その速度と威力は宝具中随一である。  

   

The activation itself happened in an instant.

She has to hold back the output as well, but the deployment of the Noble Phantasm doesn't even take a second.

Once activated, its speed and power are unrivaled by any other.

(Hollow Ataraxia - 夜編2-21)

- The Fate/Zero anime material has an entry that says that Excalibur with Invisible Air is only 8% to 9% as strong as Excalibur without AI.

Legit or lolanime?

(Forum Source)

- K took awhile but found it

http://i.imgur.com/Pii752W.png

Most probably Japanese TM Wiki error. The original quote has no mention of power as a sword.         

(Forum Source)

[The contention was that, since the Japanese Wiki included the term ‘power as a sword’, this didn’t mean it was a comparison between Excalibur’s beam and Strike Air, but between an IA-sheathed Excalibur and simply Excalibur unsheathed. Apart from being plainly ludicrous, it was discovered that the Japanese summary was misleading.]

- I remember that one. It was from the Animation Visual Guide thing for Zero.

The context was actually not the battle with Cthulhu, but the duel with Lancer, where she charged the Excalibur so it glows.

Nasu said this "Gold Version" is about 10X as powerful as Barrier of the Wind King version. The Barrier of the Wind King version is still better than the plain metal Excalibur.

(Forum Source)

Excalibur Image

- Incidentally, I saw a play-video somewhere in which his uses it. Archer's line at that moment is more or less like this:

"Can you withstand this fragment of a true holy sword?"

(Forum Source)

- In EXTRA, the conditions for wrought iron are boosted so projection of holy-sword class weaponry is possible, though their performance is inferior.

Okay truth is, I was surprised to find that the staff in charge of the 3D had made animation for Excalibur being projected while I was looking the other way.

Well it is new animation after all and there’s no reason to reject it.

So long as it's an inferior knockoff, I guess it's okay.

(Forum Source - EXTRA CCC Material, I believe)

- Sword F/SN Archer projects = "似たような性能の、型落ち宝具". (from CM3)

Sword EXTRA Archer projects = "劣化品" (from EM)

Personally, I think the first points more to another item, while the second acknowledges it is the same item but in poor quality. Like literally "degraded".

(Forum Source)

Rhongomyniad

Rhongomyniad in scythe mode eats spirits and magic energy and converts it into boosts for her physical prowess.

So, there's that.

It also looks like she had to spend some time recovering after getting back to the Clock Tower so it's not something she can use frequently.

Spear beamu scene for the moonruners.

(Forum Source)

Dragon Incarnate/Element/Factor/Reactor/Blood        

Sabre is not dragon incarnate, she has dragon blood in her, as in her ancestor was a dragon.

(Forum Source)

-Can't find anything about karma but there's something calling Saber "竜の化身" which MM translates as "incarnation of a dragon".

(Forum Source)

- It's not Karma, we need to kill that notion.

It's "Element of Dragon/Draconic Element".

This karma thing makes everyone think Sabre is dragon-reincarnate. She is not.

She got a dragon jammed inside her.

(Forum Source)

- The recurrent word used is "竜の因子", or "Dragon Factor". It can mean genes, blood, or whatever "carrier" factor you got.

(Forum Source)

- What terrraablaze trying to argue is "Sabre is Dragon Reincarnated (as in she was a dragon in previous life)". The phrase you put up means "Dragon Incarnate/Personified".

They are entirely different in Nasuverse context.

(Forum Source)

- She's Dragon Incarnate because she shares the Dragon's ability to produce mana without a circuit.

The blood that runs around her body produces mana.

(Forum Source)

-The Bridge Battle scene in HA. It says the command spell completely filled up her massive circuit or something to that effect. It definitely uses the word "circuit" though.

(Forum Source)

- I don't know, it must have something to do with the Servant container then, because the moon rune site says "magical circuits are unnecessary, because the flow of her blood simply produces mana".

(Forum Source)

-It is possible that Servants were given circuits in order to facilitate their link with their Masters. Really, circuits are something new that were invented by magi after they fell from the level they attained during the Age of Gods.

It makes no sense for Sabre to have them when she was human.

EDIT:

Especially with the "I GOT DRAGON FACTOR AND I PISS MANA" part.

EDIT2:

Here's the quote, those who read moon runes can also see.

"魔術回路を必要とせず、ただ血液を巡らせ息をするだけで魔力を生成する、魔術師とは次元違いの『魔術炉心 』といえる"

(Forum Source)

- 魔術炉心(用語:Fate)

 第四次及び第五次聖杯戦争におけるセイバーの魔術回路のことだが、その膨大な容量ゆえに炉心と表現される 。線や回路で表現される通常の魔術師の魔術回路とは根本から異なり、そもそも人を凌駕している。黄金に燃え 、七色に輝く魔術回路で、その中心には竜が在る。

OK, my head is full of fuck.

Magical Core

The magical circuit of Sabre. It is fundamentally different from the magical circuits of magi, transcending that of humans'. It is a prismatic magical circuit that burns golden, with a dragon residing at its centre.

(Forum Source)

- So this "Dragon Factor" thing we have been discussing, it's not dragon soul, dragon genes, or dragon blood.

It's this "dragon" that lives in the middle of this "magical core", and it's powering Sabre and her Mana Burst.

(Forum Source)

- It's not a "dragon's magical core". It's a magical core with a dragon IN it. At the centre.

(Forum Source)

- “-------”

 必要のない息を呑む。

 全容を俯瞰する。

 これが、セイバーの魔術回路。

 線や回路でイメージされる俺たちとは根本から異なる、人を凌駕する心臓部分。

 ……これは炉心だ。魔術師の体が魔力を生み出す機械とするなら、ここは魔力を生み出す工場と言っていい。

"-------"

I swallow my breath that I do not need.

I stare at the full scenery.

This is Saber's Magic Circuit.

Her heart that exceeds humans and is fundamentally different from ours which is imagined from lines and circuits.

This place is a core. If a magus's body is a machine which creates magical energy, this place is a factory which creates magical energy.

 しかし、その炉心は活動していない。

 炉心を回転させる為の始まりの鍵。一度目の回Tをさせるだけの動力源が途絶えている。

 これだけの膨大な魔力、魔術炉心を持ちながら、炉心を起動させるだけの魔力がない。

But the core isn't active.

The starting key to make the core turn- the source of energy to provide the first turn is not there.

There is such a great amount of magical energy and an enormous magical core, but there isn't enough magical energy to activate the core.

 ----浮上する。

 静止したガソリンの海。

 いかな膨大な魔力の原液だろうと、それだけでは意味がない。燃やすには火が必要だ。どんなに小さな火でも構わない。魔力を送る路さえ繋がれば、この炉心は活動を再開する。

 ----その為に。

 人智を超越したモノが目を覚ます。

----I rise to the surface.

The stalled sea of gasoline.

No matter how much undiluted magical energy there is, it's meaningless without a fire to burn it. It doesn't matter how small the fire is. This core will resume activity once the path to send magical energy is connected.

----For that...

A thing transcending humans awakens.

[snipped a couple pages about the dragon awakening]

----曰く。

 [ruby text=か]彼の王はブリテンを象徴する赤き竜。

 人の身でありながら幻想の血を宿す、貴き星の落とし子であると。

---- It is...

The king is a red dragon symbolizing Britain.

The child of the sacred star, carrying phantasm blood in a human body.

 [ruby text=ドラゴン]竜。

 数ある幻想種たちの象徴であり畏怖である君臨者。

 時に魔となり時に神として現れる万獣の頂点。

 それがセイバーの無意識に在るもの。

 最優のサーヴァントの名に相応しい、規格外の“正体”だった。

Dragon.

The symbol of numerous fantasy races, the king of fear.

Evil at times and godlike at other times, the top of all beings.

That is what is in Saber's unconsciousness.

It is an absurd "true nature" that is appropriate for the best Servant.

[later on]

「-------、ああ」

 なんて温かい。

 炉心は低い響きを帯び、黄金に燃えあがる。

 緻密な魔術回路は七色の輝きを帯び、循環を開始した。

 炎は灯った。

 未熟な魔術師でも、彼女の主として、きちんと役目を

果たせたのだ。

"-------Oh."

How warm.

The core is burning golden with a low sound.

The delicate Magic Circuit is glowing with all the colors of the rainbow, restarting the circulation.

The fire has been lit.

Even though I may be an amateur, I was able to fulfill my role as her Master.

(Forum Source)

-So it's confirmed.

Sabre has the blood of a Phantasmal Beast, and has a Dragon Reactor for circuits.

(Forum Source)

- O wait, sorry, minor correction. The kanji used was "幻想種", which means Phantasmal Species.

According to CM3, Phantasmal Species include Phantasmal Beasts over a millennium old, as well as Divine Beasts.

So... Sabre's Dragon Blood could be from a Phantasmal Beast Dragon or a Divine Dragon.

The point is, the dragon is not Nero's "haha dragon", but a serious dragon. For those of you who take power level as serious business, keep the above in mind.

(Forum Source)

- Merlin put a dragon (factor) in Saber. The end.

(Forum Source)

- また、アーサー王の父ウーサーは、マーリンの計らいで竜の因子を持った後継者を造り、アルトリアは人であり ながら竜そのものの魔力を帯びるに至った。

Not really joking. Depends on how the above can be interpreted.

(Forum Source)

- Uther had Merlin give his successor this "dragon factor" so Saber has the mana of a dragon.

(Forum Source)

- Well no, the wording was more like "he made a successor who had the dragon factor" so it sounds like she was born with it.

(Forum Source)

- She actually counts as hybrid.

Red Dragon of Britannia, carrier of the blood of the Phantasmal.

彼の王はブリテンを象徴する赤き竜。人の身でありながら幻想の血を宿す、貴き星の落とし子であると。

(Forum Source)                                         

- No mixing of genetic materials per se. "Man born with the powers of Dragons", which consists of a subconscious of dragon, dragon blood, dragon nuclear reactor, and the power to breath mana like a dragon.

        

また、アーサー王はブリテンを守る赤い竜である。

父王ウーサー・ペンドラゴンはマーリンの計らいで竜の因子を持った後継者を作り、アルトリアは人でありながら竜そのものの魔力を帯びるに至った。

(Forum Source)

-  /When did this "mana breath" thing ever happen?/

It happens all the time. Sabre makes mana just by existing.

魔術回路を必要とせず、ただ血液を巡らせ息をするだけで魔力を生成する、魔術師とは次元違いの『魔術炉心』 といえる。                                          

(Forum Source)

[This last part is all somewhat subject to RN’s interference, and better summed up when it’s all collected in Saber’s entry in Side Material. Also, I think food was occasionally stealing from Jonnobi’s summary instead of Side Material itself. But some of this is the original Japanese, so I might as well preserve it.]

Classes

Limitation to Saber

There are heroic spirits that attribute to several classes, but I only correspond to the class of Saber.

(Fate, Day 4, Saber’s Circumstances)

Potential as Caster

Sabre actually has the capacity to be Caster, but "magecraft is not the way of the King" and Sabre lacks the patience to actually learn magecraft.

Q.半端ない魔力の持ち主であるセイバーが魔術師をめざしたら、どうなっていたんでしょうか?

(千葉県/ヒゲール)

A.魔術は王の道ではないのであり得ない「if」ですが、仮にアルトリアが魔術の修行をしたら……。あまりのまわりくどさに日々期限を悪くし、半年後には辞めている可能性大。なので、一人前になることすら難しいと思われます。

(Forum Source)

- The canopy of clouds is drifting slowly and an opening can be seen in the distant sky.

It should be a clear sky tonight.

Once the stars can be seen, tomorrow can be predicted.

She still remembers how to read the stars, something she learned from her magus.

She only used it to ask if her way was right, but she thinks about predicting a certain person's future, just for tonight.

And if possible, a bright future.

She wants to predict the dangers ahead and guide him in the proper direction.

The one she worries about is so reckless that she cannot sleep unless she does so.

“ --- Well. The problem is the stars that can be seen from this town…”

Come to think of it, she has never looked up at the sky until this day.

All she cared about was winning the Holy Grail War, and not reading stars for someone else.

She knows it's not like her.

But she still tries to read the stars, and she waits for nightfall to come.

(Fate; Day 15; Saber, to the Church)

Relationship with Ilya in the Fifth War

Incidentally, the reason Saber didn’t speak her feelings during the Fifth War was because she had never asked Iri about her daughter’s name, and Illya’s appearance seemed far too young for her to be Iri’s daughter (after 10 years, the child that used to sit on Kiritsugu’s shoulders should already have developed a voluptuous body, that was the reasoning). So, she viewed Illya as an Einzbern homunculus completely unrelated to Iri – it’s definitely not a lame excuse.

(Forum Source - Zero Material translation)

- It's not that she didn't "recognize" her. It's that she completely disregarded the possibility that it could be the same child, based on her own assumptions. She chalked the similarities in appearance up to the fact that Einzbern homunculi tend to look alike. That's why she was so cold and merciless toward Illya in FSN.

(Forum Source)

- The problem is that every single Justizia-model homunculus looks exactly alike, so you can't really afford to hesitate based on something so flimsy.

(Forum Source)

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[Hollow, obviously]

Lily and Alter: Villainy and Heroism        

        

Uro: What I imagine is that for the Saber Lily storyline, in Fate/stay night, Saber was completely beaten by Caster, and so she became one of her Servants. Like, she thought "I'd be way better off with Caster than with Shirou." (Laughs)

Nasu: I never thought of that. Interesting. So in other words, the white dress represents how both her body and soul have been tamed by Caster. So Lily is truly like a "lily" to Caster... you crazy bastard, you did it again...

Takeuchi: Lily's design was inspired by the dress she wore when Saber was captured by Caster. Then, we just filled it with feminine qualities that Saber lacked and it became what it is now. So basically, I think Urobuchi really hit it close to the mark.

Uro: Really?! Lily looked like a villain to me from the moment I saw her. Imagine her appearing from behind Caster, really working those heels! Just thinking of it gets me excited!

Takeuchi: But in terms of villains, don't we already have Alter?

Uro: No, she isn't a villain, she's a dark hero.

Nasu: Alter is an idealist who clings to her own values even though she's been blackened. In that respect, she isn't a pure villain.

Uro: For example, Alter's like how Hakaider was in Mechanical Violator Hakaider (*8). And Lily is the enemy she would face. The wrinkles in the corners of her eyes are proof to that. She'd shine as a villain.

(Tsukikan)

[Translation of an interview from TM Ace 7. Rest of it notes interesting things on the development of heroes in media through time, gender relations in F/SN and the different sides to the love stories as expressed in each route]

Grand Order Presence

どういうことかと言いますと、たとえば『Fate/stay night』のセイバーは出演していますとが、彼女は『Fate/stay night』という物語を体験してはいません。あのセイバーとの出会いと戦いを一から始められる、というフ ァンサービスでもあります。

(Forum Source)

[See further e.g. Mordred and Morgan for information about Artoria’s family.]

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Mordred and Morgan

/How accurate/insane is TMWiki's page on Mordred? For example, it seems to make a lot of Morgan, when his CM page never even bothers to name her: she's only "Arthur's sister", so far as a glance tells me. Certainly, I can't see 'son of Morgan' in any of the dialogue parts. Likewise, Guinevere's part in the wiki looks small, despite the CM page's second line seeming to call him 'グィネヴィアの子'.

Am I just missing something/everything?/

It's probably a typo in the first edition, due to Nasu not knowing Gaijin legends well.

The second line says "the son of Altria's sister, Guinevere." And it further refers to the legend and says "Mordred was the impure child between King Arthur and Guinevere".

The intent was obviously Morgan. It seems just a case of Nasu totally failing in the editing process.

They probably corrected it in later editions, since all the Yamato sources I found say Morgan.

(Forum Source)

- Back on topic. Fun fact: they were originally going to keep Mordred a male, but decided that one trap (Astolfo) was enough.

(Forum Source)

- TMA 8.

東出:ただ、男の娘にしてしまうと、別のキャラと被るんですよ。

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- 自分の中烈さん「わたし一向に構わないッッ!」と言ってます。

His inner Retsu made him do it.

(Forum Source)

- Y'know, with the exception of the word "son", Character Material did not use any male pronouns when referring to Mordred.

And he was concieved from a woman and a woman-with-a-temporary-magic-penis.

(Forum Source)

- It's funny because Nasu's (and other guy) explanation is basically "Mordred is a clone of Arthur so of course he's a fucking girl you idiots! What did you think a clone was!"

And they also confirmed that his height, weight, and three sizes are the same as Arthur's, lol.         

(Forum Source)

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Berserkers        

- In the past, Masters who summoned Berserker couldn't control their rampaging Servants, and destroyed themselves by running out of magical energy.

No exceptions.

(Prologue, Day 3)

- It takes sanity away as compensation for strengthening the hero, but to control such an 'insane Servant' requires enormous amounts of magical energy. For example, if you became Berserker ----"

"I would not be able to talk like I am doing now. Removing all roles as a collaborator and specializing in battle is how Berserker is. But that is like subduing a wounded lion. A normal magus will not be able to control it."

"I'll bet. A normal magus cannot control Berserker even when some minor hero becomes it.

But Ilyasviel summoned a top-grade hero, made him Berserker, and controlled him completely.

…It's irritating, but her ability as a Master is on a completely different level."

(Fate, Day 4, Buddy Saber, Buddy Rin)

[Refer also to the specifics noted in this entry, dealing with Ilya and Herakles]

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Lancelot

What even are his base stats; what does the F/Z sheet show?

Points for consideration:

1) The Zero sheets are kind of a cluster in the first place, and Lancelot's is one of the problematic ones. It has no gold bars indicating ME boosts, as a rather irritating start.

2) The Zero sheets do reflect the 'current' status of their Servants - see Excalibur being reduced because of Artoria's wound - just as the F/SN sheets would change stats under new Masters etc. Since this is the case, you'd expect that Lancelot's sheet would include Arondight because that's the only time his stats are actually revealed, so to speak.

3) On the same principle, ME should be included as well, so the gold bar problem becomes more pronounced. In the one case, the Zero sheets are being inconsistent both with their own propensity to show current status and with the franchise as a whole (which includes ME in Berserker stats as a matter of course). In the other case, they are being consistent, but managed to screw up or not include the colouring for one reason or another.

On to the possibilities:

Scenario A: Lancelot + Arondight without ME boosts. This doesn't really tally with what's seen when he has it out, because he would then be some distance beyond Herakles' stats when he draws his sword (you can argue for a smaller gap depending on how strict you think the ranking system is, but it would surely be there) and that's not shown to be the case when this happens in the story itself. This also conflicts with the current status principle.

Scenario B: Lancelot + ME without Arondight. Having reversed the assumptions, we come out with the same result: he should still be displaying much better stats when he does have Arondight out. While this also runs into current status, I suppose an argument could be made that we're being shown the sheet as of F/Z 3 (when we got all the other sheets fully revealed and Lancelot's was still under For Someone Else's Glory concealment), but made clear so that Gen could actually show it off.

Scenario C: Lancelot without either Arondight or ME. This has the same problems as the above two scenarios, but magnified.

Scenario D: Lancelot with both Arondight and ME. This is the only one which totally avoids the current status problem and weird inconsistency problems (albeit by relying on the missing gold bars being some kind of error). However, this gives him pretty terrible base stats, unfitting for a Knight of the Round Table - and particularly one of the most famous and accomplished. Admittedly, that's in the Berserker container which is rubbish in the first place and may not be his best fit either. Nevertheless, that feels unlikely to me, and especially given the way Gen generally treated Lancelot.

In short, I give you no other answer than that the Zero sheets don't make sense. If I were forced to choose, I'd say that the most sensible option was Scenario D, and the most likely option was Scenario B, with Gen forgetting how utterly absurd that would make his stats and therefore not writing the scene to them.

(Forum Source)

- If anything his stat sheet seems roughly right with how he was beating up Saber in their final clash. So that would suggest ME and Arondight is included.

But for him to be grabbing NPs out of the air with only B+ Agility, it seems hard to swallow considering Diarmuid's reaction to the feat. When combined with the masturbation of Lancelot and Kariya by Nasu and Gen; Lancelot running around with mainly Cs(if he doesn't have Arondight/ME on) seems a tad strange.

Urobuchi really didn't put much effort into this.

My own conclusion was that Herk's stats are mainly beyond A anyway. Herk would have A+strength, A endurance and maybe A agility without ME. So Lancelot with Arondight=Berserker Herk. But that's me.

(Forum Source)

- While I have argued that the chart doesn't include ME and Arondight a lot (specifically against Mellon and food several times) I actually always believed that it simply only included ME. This is largely highlighted by the fact that even if he draws Arondight with A Rank stats his stat would still stay A (and not A+ or A++) at least, this is how food (and technically me too as I was only arguing for the sake of arguing lol) interpreted it during his argument (as A is 50 points, and B is 40, meaning going up in a Rank is 10 points. So a Rank above A is 60 whatever that is).

So yeah, even though those stats are A is that A a 50 or a 90?

(Forum Source)

Knight of Honour

- What's the limit of Berserker's ability to "turn any object into Noble Phantasm"? Will it work on a battleship? Why not just hijack a computer and become an existence like Sky*et... please put a stop to my overflowing dreams. [ Kyoto · Musashibō-san ]

Nasu: In theory it's limited to objects that are weapons. An aircraft carrier's role as weapon transportation is ranked higher than it being a weapon, so it shouldn't be counted as a weapon. Something like that. What's your opionion on this, Uro-san?

Uro: For Berserker, the Noble Phantasm can only be activated for things he recognizes as "this is a weapon." In that case, if he is skilled in wrestling, can he... turn a steel chair into a Noble Phantasm?

(Tsukikan - ALL OVER/Zero)

- [In answer to ‘why does he recognise a streetlamp as a weapon then?’]

An iron pole — this is what was left of the street light pole Archer was standing on top of, that tumbled on the ground when Berserker chopped it down. Berserker probably picked it up at his feet when he charged at Saber.

Berserker held the iron pole, over two meter long after being cut down, with two hands like a spear, putting a terrible pressure on Saber's sword. But the surprising point is that this weapon was nothing but an iron pole.

(Fate/Zero - Act 4)

Arondight

So. About that Arondight thing from a few days ago. I was looking through the Animation Material dictionary, and it says that it's "rank as an anti-personnel noble phantasm" is A++. I'm sure all you Arondight beam nuts will be able to rationalize it away easily enough, but I still feel like it's another tick against that... "theory".

Oh, and it's confirmed to be a god-forged weapon, so I guess I'll have to say goodbye to my dreams of Archer dual-wielding Arondight in Arondight armor with an Arondight codpiece.

(Forum Source)

[N.B.: faeries in the Nasuverse are natural phenomena like gods, so they’re probably meant by this.]

VS. Gilgamesh

やはりランスロットがギルガメッシュを相手にあそこまで健闘できたのは狂化による能力増幅の賜物だったわけ で

Lancelot being able to put up a good fight against Gilgamesh was the result of his abilities being boosted by Mad Enhancement.

(Forum Source)

[See also entries for Mad Enhancement and Eternal Arms Mastery]

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Herakles        

Side Material

Berserker (Servant)

The mad warrior Heroic Spirit.

Regardless of basic abilities, Berserkers are a type of Servant that specialise in destruction through “going berserk”.

The Berserker in this story was an exceptional Heroic Spirit, but due to his “Mad Enhancement”, he became an untouchable monster.

In the case of a normal Master, Berserker can cancel the control of Command Spells. However, Illyasviel, who was acting as the Holy Grail, was able to control Berserker due to her Command Spells being special.

His true identity is the great Grecian hero Hercules.

For Hercules, who had gone berserk numerous times in legend, the Berserker Class probably feels quite familiar.

Of course, Hercules is exceptional in body, mind, and skills. Since Hercules had mastered every weapon, he can even qualify for the Sabre Class without difficulty.

If Hercules had been summoned in the Sabre Class, he would be able to fully display his phenomenal sword play.

Hercules was the earliest Servant to be summoned. He was summoned more than one, no, more than two months prior to the Holy Grail War.

Berserker cannot act independently as his emotions have been sealed.

However, no matter how strong the bondage of Command Spells, Berserker never lost the sense at the core of his being.

After being Blackened in the Sakura Route, Berserker was able to halt the last strike of his Axe Sword before he died. He was able to do so due to the strength of his heart; a heart which suffered the pain of berserking since his early days as a hero.

In the story of Fate, Berserker is the most manly character.

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パーサーカー【サーヴァント】

狂戦士の英霊。

基本能力は問わず、ただ“狂う”事で破壊のみを特化したサーヴァントタイプ。

本編のパーサーカーはたたでさえ優れた英霊だというのに、その“狂化"の為手のつけられない怪物と化してい る。

通常のマスターなら令呪そのものをキャンセルされかねないパーサーヵーだが、聖杯たるイリヤスフィールの令 呪も特別なので制御を可能としている。

正体はギリシャの大英雄ヘラクレス。

神話において幾度となく発狂するへラクレスにとって、パーサーカーというクラスは馴染み易いものだったのだ ろう。

尤も、心技体全てに優れ、あらゆる武具を使いこなすへラクレスならセイパーのクラスも難なく該 当する。

セイバーになっていたのであれば、その卓絶した剣 技を存分に披露していただろう。

聖杯戦争ではもっとも早く、一ヶ月:??:否、二ヶ月 前から召喚された。

感情が封印されている為、自ら行動する事はない。

が、どれほど令呪の縛りが強力でも、その芯にある理性は失われていない。

桜ルー卜で黒化した後、最後の最期で斧剣を止めたのも、英雄時代から“狂化"に苦しんできた彼の心の強さ故 だろう。

「Fate」本編中、もっとも漢度が高い方。

(Forum Source)

God Hand

"Fufu, it must have been disappointing for you too, Berserker.

If Saber's magical energy had been full, you would have been able to die!"

(Fate, Day 11, Night without Dawn)

[Confirmed to mean 'die completely' in the ensuing Tiger Dojo, since even the crap Excalibur seems to have killed him once or twice]:

- I don't know if that weak Excalibur could take off even two of Berserker's lives.

(Tiger Dojo 8)

- The Japanese of Tiger Dojo 8 is something like "it'd be strange if such a weak calibur could take even two of zerker's lives." It's just talking in theoreticals and Illya being Illya, saying "There's no way my Berserker could be this cute and not be able to handle something that'd kill someone at least once over because Berserker doesn't die when killed." It implies that it's capable of killing him at least once, but never outright says so, because Japanese.

(Forum Source)

- There's no clear answer, but it seems when it says "negates B and below", it covers B rank with any modifiers (+ and -). Otherwise it would seem strange to specifically emphasize the runes bump Gae Bolg to A (instead of say, giving it massive power boost as Striking Death Flight is already B+).

(Forum Source)

- Q. ヘラクレスは狂化していなくてもあんなにでかいんですか?

A. でかいデース! ただし、腕の部分の突起とかはなくなります。筋肉はややソフトになり、顔つき も今よりは人 間味がでるのではと。

Q. Would Heracles still be so huge even if he wasn't Mad Enhanced?

A. He'd still be huuuge! However, the stuff like the projections on his arms wouldn't be there. His muscles would become a little softer, and his face would show more humanity than it does now.

十二の試練【宝具、呪い】

ゴッドハンド。

神の祝福(呪い)によって得た不死性。

自身の肉体を屈強な鎧と化し、ランクB以下の攻撃を全て無効化 する。

加えて、死亡しても自動的に蘇生(レイズ)がかかるオマケっき。

蘇生のストック数は十一回。

……となると、パーサーカーの体が鉛色だったり肘とか変形していたりするのはゴットハンドのせい な のかしら !?

まー、格闘ゲームでいうならスーパーコンボ以外の攻撃はぜんぶスーパーアIマー+ノーダメージ つつー デタラメ宝具。

Twelve Labors (Noble Phantasm, Curse)

God Hand.

Immortality obtained from a blessing (curse) of the gods.

The body is transformed into strong armor, and all attacks of rank B and below are nullified.

Additionally, there is the extra effect where revival (Raise) is automatically cast upon death.

There is a stock of eleven revivals.

...by the way, could it be that God Hand is the reason Berserker's body turned leaden and his elbows transformed!?

Well, putting it in terms of a fighting game, it's a ridiculous Noble Phantasm that applies Super Armor + No Damage to every attack outside of Super Combos.

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- バーサーカーに一度行った攻撃が二度と通じないのは宝具の能力に由来するものなのか、見切ることができるからなのか?

という問いです。

答えは肉体耐性と技術の両面だという話。

ゴッドハンドには一度受けたダメージを学習したのちそれへの耐性を肉体に付加する能力があるとのこと。

バーサーカー自身も一度見た攻撃を見破るスキルを持っているそうですが狂化しているため、その「剣士としての技術」は封印されているのでゴッドハンドの能力のみに頼っているとか。

Q: Is Berserker's "immunity against an attack he has experience before" an ability of his Noble Phantasm, or is it due to his ability to see through the attack?

A: The answer is that, it is a result of both the resilience of his body, as well as his techniques. God Hand has the ability to make Berserker's body immune against an attack after it has been damaged once by the said attack. Also, Berserker himself possesses the ability to see through an attack he has witnessed before. However, due to Mad Enhancement, this "technique of a swordsman" is sealed. As a result, he can only count on the ability of God Hand.

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- Second quote [i.e. the Side Material one above] implies he loses the talons without God Hand, whilst the first [i.e. the first Q&A above] implies he loses them when he's not Berserker. Hence the conclusion he doesn't have it as a Berserker. The third [the last Q&A above] implies that he would be able to rely on both God Hand and his wits in a non-Berserker class, returning us to where we started. A proposed solution is that God Hand works differently (we don't know how, despite what people are saying) with the different classes. So it might not cause the elbow talons if Herakles was Saber, despite it still being active.

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- It's not really "lives", it's a stock of resurrection magic. So if getting killed multiple times by a really big attack bothers you that much, just think of it as the damage being so extensive that God Hand has to blow multiple resurrection spells to repair the damage enough to get him back to life.

(Forum Source)

- It's powerful but not as good against those that can resurrect themselves after being killed once (Berserker). Also, only responds that way in regards to the trump card of the opponent, whether it's a Noble Phantasm or not. Can be used normally, but it is the equivalent of a C or D ranked Noble Phantasm when used without those special conditions (the non-Answerer effect).

(Fuyuki)

[For some more on Fragarach vs. God Hand/Berserker, see this entry in the doc]

- We don't know how potent God Hand's resurrection spells are, so it's entirely possible that there are situations where it would need to use more than one to return his body to a state that can't be considered "dead".

(Forum Source)

[An interpretation, but a neat one]

[See also CM3 entry on God Hand]

Speed

/I never actually read the crashing speed of sound as what berserker was doing. Just that shirou surpassed it when using 9 lives. People always seemed to assume that's what it meant so I figured maybe the original text had put it in a way that made it more clear that was berserker as opposed to him just soley referring to surpassing the speed of sound./

振り下ろされる音速を、神速を以って凌駕する―――!

It is a downward swing. It is translated as crashing, for aesthetic reasons.

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- 振り下ろす is... a rather specific verb. And all the context around that part of the scene is how Berserker is in the middle of swinging his sword and Shirou has to cheat with everything he has to be faster than him.

(Forum Source)

Provenance of the Axe-Sword

/It is part of the foundations of a temple Einzbern prepared and this itself was the catalyst to summon Berserker./

They didn't prepare a temple. It's typical parsing that's getting you thrown off. They procured part of the foundation of a temple of his. Foundation of a temple they prepared, with the they prepared or whatever going with the foundation not the temple.

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Nine Lives

RN replaced the list of vital points with a generic statement of "eight vital points". So it's retroactively left to your imagination.

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- Old mirrormoon screwup.

He's really missing 4/5th of his body. So there's only 1/5th of a Berserker left.                         

(Forum Source)

- For Someone's Glory is not actually sealed, just limited. Nine Lives is actually sealed.

(Forum Source)

Further Réalta Nua changes

Anyway. It's kind of interesting that this is actually one of the scenes with revisions in RN. Going from this:

それは、あり得ない行動だ。

 バーサーカーを封じているのは足元の沼だけでなく、黒い影は全身に絡みついて巨人を縛してい る。

 進めない。

 黒い影に体を侵食されたバーサーカーは一歩たりとて動けない。

 故に、巨人はその身を裂いた。

 片手で胸を掴み、バリ、という音をたてて、黒い影を引き剥がした。

 ------絡みついたごと、が覗こうというまで、自らの肉を剥いだのだ。

 巨体が迅る。

 旋風を伴う一撃は、今度こそ黒い剣士を打ち砕く。

 おそらくは最後の一撃。

 自らのを剥ぎ、瀕死になりながらも放つ一刀が必殺でない筈がない。

        

To this:

それは、あり得ない行動だ。

 バーサーカーを封じているのは足元の沼だけでなく、黒い影は全身に絡みついて巨人を縛してい る。

 進めない。

 黒い影に体を侵食されたバーサーカーは一歩たりとて動けない。

 故に、巨人はその身を裂いた。

 片手で胸を掴み、バリ、という音をたてて、黒い影を引き剥がした。

 ------絡みついた部分ごと、中身が覗こうという勢いで、自らの身体を剥いだのだ。

 巨体が迅る。

 旋風を伴う一撃は、今度こそ黒い剣士を打ち砕く。

 おそらくは最後の一撃。

 自らの身体を剥ぎ、瀕死になりながらも放つ一刀が必殺でない筈がない。                          

Seems like half the edits to Realta Nua are slight edits to vocabulary in scenes with Berserker.

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- It sounds more intense though.

Going from "tearing off flesh" to "tearing off body".

Lol ya, so instead of "tearing so deep you can see bone", now it is "tearing so deep you can see innards".

Power level one up.

(Forum Source)

In Hollow

「あのお化けは私のサーヴァントよ。けどアインツベルンのサーヴァントじゃないわ。ちょっとした手違いで狂っちゃったの。

今じゃ聖杯戦争とは関係のない、私を守るだけのお化けになっちゃった」

「町に現れている怪物……とは違うけど、同じようなものと思えばいいわ。

彼は聖杯戦争には何の関わりもない、この森にやってくるマスターを殺すだけの怪物。サーヴァントでありながらサーヴァントの役からあぶれてしまった、カタチのない亡霊なの」

「役から、あぶれた……?」

「ええ。該当する役回りがなかったから、ちゃんとした出番を与えられなかったの。

彼がアインツベルンのサーヴァントなら、あんな事にはならなかったでしょうけど」

That monster is my Servant. But he's not the Servant of the Einzberns. A bit of a mistake was made, and he was driven mad.

His involvement with the Heaven's Feel severed, he is now merely a monster who watches over me.”

“The monsters appearing in the city... they're not quite the same, but you may think of them as being similar.

He has no connection to the Heaven's Feel, but is simply a monster who kills any Master that enters the forest. He was a Servant, but failed in his duties and is now but a formless ghost.”

“Failed... in his duties?”

“Yes. There was no part available for him to play, and so I couldn't give him a decent role

This would not have happened were he the Servant of the Einzberns.”

(Hollow Ataraxia - 真・冒頭-05)

[This has been offered as an explanation for why God Hand fails to defeat Fragarach.]

[Other information is to be found in the Changes to Ilya, Herakles and Mad Enhancement in Réalta Nua entry, and the Fame & Selection of Servants entry.]

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Mad Enhancement, Ilya and Herakles, and their changes from F/SN to Réalta Nua

- Small change in phrase. "凶暴化" was substituted for "狂化".

So instead of "you have not been allowing Berserker to use Mad Enhancement", it becomes "you have not been allowing Berserker to become wild".

Also, instead of "Go mad, Berserker", Ilya's command was "Obliterate them, Berserker".

(Forum Source)

- Original

「[line3]遊びは終わりよ。狂いなさい、ヘラクレス」

昏い声。

それに呼応するように、少女の背後にいた巨人が吠えた。

「[wacky len=12]」

地を揺るがす絶叫。

巨人は正気を失ったように叫び悶え----そのありとあらゆる能力が、奇形の瘤となって増大していく。

「----そんな。今までは理性を奪っていただけで、狂化させていなかったというのか……!?」

セイバーの声に畏れが混じる。

彼女が戦慄するのも当然だ。

戦士の力量など計れない俺ですら、アレが触れてはならないモノだと判るのだから。

 

RN:

「----遊びは終わりよ。蹴散らしなさい、ヘラクレス」

昏い声。

それに呼応するように、少女の背後にいた巨人が吠えた。

「[wacky len=12]」

地を揺るがす絶叫。

巨人は正気を失ったように叫び悶え[line3]そのありとあらゆる能力が、異形の塊となって増大していく。

「----そんな。理性を奪っていただけで、凶暴化させていなかったというのか……!?」

セイバーが戦慄するのも当然だ。

戦士の力量など量れない俺ですら、アレが触れてはならないモノだと判るのだから。

(A PasteBin link I got from … somewhere. But it matches what runers had already said, so I choose to trust it.)

- If you read the skill descriptions, Mad Enhancement must be active in order to rob the Servant of all thought processes. Einzberns summoned Hercules in Berserker class in order to rob him of all thoughts and turn him into a puppet. It made no sense that Ilya was fully controlling Berserker without activating the ability until that point. Also, Berserker was growling and smacking wildly (instead of talking normally and moving in a normal manner) while not under Mad Enhancement.

(Forum Source)

- The "ability increase" part is still present as Hyrion posted, however, that can be easily attributed to "Ilya was withholding Berserker's powers".

(Forum Source)

-I don't think it's as much of a retcon as people are making it out to be. Rather than just flipping the enhancement switch from off to on, it's now more like turning a dial from a lower setting to full-blast. (Forum Source)

-So the difference is: "Insane but without an ability boost"(original) vs. "insane with only a minor ability boost until Ilya goes full power"(Realta Nua)?

(Forum Source)

-Light shines in Berserker's eyes.

…The Servant that has obeyed Ilya up to now has his mind released and identifies us as his enemies.

(Fate, Day 11, A distant back)

- The part in the Winter Forest scene that mentions it:

少女は事あるごとに巨人を憎み、怒りのはけ口にした。

 制御に慣れ、聖杯出現の予兆が現れた頃には、少女を襲う苦痛も消えていた。

 少女は今までの復讐とばかりに巨人から理性を奪い、物言わぬ『狂戦士』として扱った。

 ―――それが少女の精一杯の抵抗だという事を、彼はとうに悟っていた。

...Is exactly the same in both RN and FSN.

(Forum Source)

- I don't see if there's a problem with that part. She took out his sanity in spite.

That could mean "just sanity" or "activate Mad Enhancement".

(Forum Source)

[In short, ME is always on, stat boost is always on (or at least to some degree?), but full power to Herakles is not always on. As fuyuki has 'Winter Forest', Ilya could have turned ME off totally but chose not to.]

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Assassin Class

- It is impossible for them to become real Heroic Spirits, as Heroic Spirits are Heroes with names, while assassins are inherently anonymous ("英霊とは名を残した英雄であり、暗殺者には名などない”). For a single Hassan, by struggling to leave a mark in history as an individual rather than Hassan, he already strayed from the the Assassin's Creed of "nobody" ("何者でもない").

[trans. appears to roughly be 'A Heroic Spirit is a hero who has left a name – an assassin is one who has not']

The entire "assassin hero" concept itself is a paradox. A real successful assassin will never leave a name, so he will never be a hero. By endeavouring to exemplify the "assassin hero", you are already running in the exact opposite direct at a high speed.

It is just the Hassans themselves are not privy to the details like the readers, so they still harbour some delusions. (They are robbed of their identities, not their humanity. They still have desires and ambitions.)

(Forum Source)

- もとから“アサシン"という名称で群をなす亡霊(英霊候補)なので、能力そのものは低い。

"Since they are selected from a group of Wraiths (Heroic Spirit Candidates) originally under the name "Assassin", their abilities are low."

Another way to look at it is that, Hassan did not exist because it is a mere pseudonym. This whole group of 19 is the "next best thing". They are similar to Kojiro in that sense.

From Kojiro:

アサシン【サーヴァント】

...

厳密には英霊ではなく亡霊。

"Strictly speaking, Assassin is a Wraith rather than a Heroic Spirit."

(Forum Source)

- あ。余談ですが、アサシンのサーヴァントの宝具名はすべて『ザバーニーヤ』です。アサシン頭目の候補は十九 人おり、その誰もがザバーニーヤの名を冠する「奥義」を隠し持っているのです。彼らは他の十八人を蹴落とす 為、奥の手は隠しているのだとか。

"Oh. By the way, the Noble Phantasm of every Servant Assassin is named 'Zabaniya'. The reason is that each of the 19 candidates for the position of 'Leader of the Assassins' is concealing an 'ultimate technique' crowned with the name Zabaniya -- a hidden trump card for the purpose of taking down the other 18."

(Forum Source)

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False Assassin

- 純粋な剣技のみで言えば、今回の聖杯戦争中最高のサーヴァントである。

Also, since this came up a few days back.

"In terms of pure swordsmanship, Assassin is the greatest among the Servants of this Holy Grail War."

(Forum Source)

- /Tsubame Gaeshi is the skill on the level of Noble Phantasms. Sasaki doesn't imbue the power of Multi-Dimensional Refraction Phenomenon into each and every strike (although if he did, that would be all sorts of awesome)./

その果てにサーヴァントの宝具が備える神秘と互角の剣技を得るに至った。

Oh, dear. It doesn't seem to be talking about Tsubame Gaeshi. It seems to be talking about his sword technique in general. Tsubame Gaeshi is just sort of the culmination of all that.

(Forum Source)

[Seika trans. ~ In the end, he has gained skill with the sword equal in mystery to that of a Servant's Noble Phantasm. (Very roughly)]

-No, see, you're not really getting it. We all know Sasaki has no NP, but what's reached that level is "his skill with the sword". Tsubame Gaeshi is his best technique, but it's more or less just an expression of that transcendent skill.

(Forum Source)

- The problem with Kojiro is more complicated.

If you look at the ye olde Fate Side Material, Type Moon already made margins for imaginary heroes.

Nasu explained in the CM2 interview that he wanted Assassin to reflect the changes that have occurred between the conception of Fate and Fate/Stay Night. For Hercules, even if he is imaginary, at least we are certain there is one Hercules. Nasu apparently found through his own research that, Kojiro may have existed, and he may have not, and there may have been even three separated Kojiros. Even the legends are not at all in concord.                                                 

(Forum Source)

- Nasu: If a Master wished to summon Kojiro Sasaki, he would be unable to because Kojiro Sasaki did not exist. Like the story stated, if there were a database for humanity, then Assassin was the piece of data that matched the parameters of Kojiro Sasaki. As a result, Assassin's personality would become Kojiro's personality, and Assassin's monumental feats would become that of Kojiro's rather than his.

(Forum Source, from Side Material entry)        

                                                         

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Hundred-Faced Hassan

- Hundred-Faced Hassan (Servant)

The Assassin Heroic Spirit who participated in the Fourth Holy Grail War. One of the "Old Man of the Mountain" amongst the generations of Hassan-i Sabbah.

He was an exception in Hassans, as he did not undergo the body modification called "Zabaniya". Instead, he took advantage of his affliction of Multiple Personality Disorder and acted as an assassin without a true identity.

When summoned as a spiritual entity and emerged as a Servant, segments of his compartmentalized soul each materialized as an individual. However, due to the potential of the spirit being only that of one person, the abilities of the Assassins produced by the division were extremely low, reaching the nadir of the capabilities of Servants.

In addition, each personality has his strengths and weaknesses. Among them, there are impatient glory-hounds who ignore orders like fools, and individuals who are terrible at ambushes despite being assassins. However, if one can comprehend their characteristics and apply their skills in the right situations, the Hundred-Faced Hassan can be a very dangerous Servant. Unfortunately, because his Master had no intention of winning the war, he was damned to the fate of a voyeur.

The Hundred-Faced Hassan was summoned by Kotomine Kirei when he was still a lackey of Tokiomi Tohsaka, thus he was truly a servant of a servant. Even so, he still harboured a wish that he hoped the Grail could grant (by the way, it was "to have a perfect and unified personality"). He even plotted to hijack the Holy Grail before Kirei and Tokiomi, had the war have gone in their favour. However, in the end he did not even have a chance to show his rebellious side before becoming the first Servant eliminated from the war.

(Forum Source)

[Zero Material entry]

                                         

-Ya, it is 80 [personalities]. For some reason I had the number 36 stuck in my head as the cap.

I am not sure I agree the implied easy victory here is done by a quick mobbing. The personalities are not all warriors, and apparently they are isolated personalities literally with individual motives. Coordination is said to be hard, and success is said to be achieved by choosing the right personality for the right job.

(Forum Source)

- 32 is the number of specializations he's got under his belt.

(Forum Source)

- Yeah, it's eighty. And it was stated somewhere that, even with the stats divided amongst them, they're each still low-Servant tier, so probably around E or D rank in most or all stats.

(Forum Source)

- /Zero!Assassin's condition wasn't self-inflicted right? He was born with 100-something souls inside, no?/

No, it was "self-inflicted".

He had some sort of dissociative personality disorder. Hassan then in turn capitalized on that and pushed it one step further, and started to compartmentalizing his one soul. In the end, he still has "one soul".

As a Servant, a spiritual being, he got the chance to actually fragment his soul and materialize each individual component.

Here.

霊体として召喚され、サーヴァントとして現界する過程で、分断された魂のすべてについて別個の実体化を果たしている。

One soul, divided.

This was also why each individual Hassan was so weaksauce. They each only had the "weight" of a fragment of a soul.

(Forum Source)

- He was saddled with Dissociative Identity Disorder, but instead of being a crazy beggar he turned each personality into specialists in different fields, thereby mastering more Assassination-related skills than should have been humanly possible. That was his secret technique, being able to hotswap skillsets on the fly like some kind of Action RPG character.                                                 

(Forum Source)

- The running joke between Nasu and Gen and whoever was that, Hundred Face was awesome, but got shafted because he winded up as a "manservant of a manservant". You know, Kotomine is Tokiomi's bitch, and Hassan is Kotomine's bitch, so like super low-tier.                                         (Forum Source)        

- 妄想幻像(対人宝具:Zero)

ザバーニーヤ。第四次聖杯戦争におけるアサシンの宝具。対人宝具であるが、対象は自身である。

 単一の個体でありながら複数に分断された魂を持つことで、自らの霊的ポテンシャルを細分化して複数のサー ヴァントとして現界できる。最大で80人にまで分裂可能。さらに無自覚な自我が出現する可能性もある。

It is "it's possible to produce egos that are not aware of itself". In other words, not everyone is oblivious of who everyone else is. The statement is probably a nod to the Loli Assassin, who was oblivious of that she was a personality of Hundred Face, and there was a subplot for that.

(Forum Source)

- Q:百人アサシンの中で、もっとも印象に残ってるアサシンを挙げてみてください。

  [三重県・現代忍術研究会会員]

虚:やはりイチオシは「豊臣秀吉のモノマネに定評のあるアサシン」でしょうね。

奈:ワタクシハひよこの雄雌の見分けができるハサン。                                                    

Q: Can you give me some examples of the assassins amongst the Hundred Faced One who gave you the most enduring impressions?

Gen: It ought to be "the assassin who is famous for impersonating Toyotomi Hideyoshi".

Nasu: For me, it ought to be the assassin whose expertise is in sexing chicks.

[They’re joking, please don’t take this seriously, unless you want to end up with another elephant debacle going on.]

(Forum Source)

- /Zero hassan/80 bodies... Is actually weaker than a normal human?!/                                  

No, that is not how it works.

Some fan actually asked Nasu about it, because there was a scene in Zero where Kiritsugu was telling Maiya that they are not prepared to take on a Hassan.

Nasu replied that Kiritsugu would never be prepared enough to take on a Hassan, because a human cannot be expected to just take on a Servant just like that.

This pseudo-math thing is not correct.                                                 

(Forum Source)

Though I'm pretty sure that she doesn't actually have a face under the mask. But if she did, that would be it.

(Forum Source)

- The part on the very same page as that picture[*], where Takeuchi and Gen are fluffing up how beautiful Female Assassin is, before Takeuchi is like "But then again if you take the mask away she doesn't have a face, so I guess it's not so dreamlike after all", and Gen agrees.

[* A picture appears in Zero Material on P 073, showing a potential face for the prominent female aspect of 4th War Hassan: you’ve probably all seen it in fanart.]

(Forum Source)

[Yay! I was right about this fact! :p]

[See also the note on Diarmuid, explaining that Assassin will be effective against him]

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Fifth War True Assassin

妄想心音【宝具、魔術】

呪いの腕、ザパーニーヤ。

悪性の精霊シャイターンの腕であり、人間を呪い殺す事に長けている。

エーテル塊を用いて、鏡に映した殺害対象の反鏡存在から本物と影響しあう二重存在を作成する。

殺害対象と共鳴したその偽者を潰す事で、本物には指一本触れずに殺害対象を呪い殺す。

回りくどい殺害方法だが、暗殺には適している。

たとえ防御カ1000の鎧で身を守ろうが、妄想心音は鎧の上から擬似心臓を掴み上げ、直接内部にダメージを与えるのである。

なんか、見た目奇術師のトリックっぽい宝具。

Delusional Heartbeat (Noble Phantasm, Magecraft)

The cursed arm, Zabaniya.

The arm of the evil spirit Shaytan, proficient in cursing humans to death.

By using an Ether Lump, Delusional Heartbeat creates a dual existence which can influence the original by generating a mirrored existence of the target.

By destroying the false copy, it curses the target to death without laying a finger on the original.

It is a type of convoluted killing technique, only fitting for assassination.

Even with a suit of armour with a defense of 1000, Delusional Heartbeat grasps the false heart right on top of the armour, and inflicts direct damage to the insides of the target.

This Noble Phantasm almost seems like a trick performed by an illusionist.

(Forum Source)

- The skill "Protection from Wind" is a prayer that invokes Allah in order to ward off the Wind God Jinn. (Apparently it also works super well...)                                                 

(Forum Source)

On Dirks (and Darks)

Yeah, dirk and dark are both "ダー ク daaku".

(Forum Source)

- ちなみに綴りは“Dirk”で、暗いという意味の“Dark”ではない 。

"By the way, it's supposed to be spelled 'dirk', not 'dark' like darkness.

(Forum Source; CMII)

- Over forty dirks have been thrown.

Having used up his supply of daggers, Assassin finally stops.

(HF, Day 8, Last Swordsman/Interlude 8-2)

- ちなみに使用していたダークに愛着があるのか、戦闘後はきちんと拾って帰ります。                  

"The dirks True Assassin uses are something he is really attached to, he would carefully pick all of them up after each battle."                 

(Forum Source)                                

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Jack the Ripper

Fate/strange fakeにも同じ真名のサーヴァント「バーサーカー」が登場するが、全く別の存在。『fake』のジャック は「狂気の象徴」、『Apocrypha』のジャックは「数万以上の見捨てられた子供たちの怨 念」である。

だが『TYPE-MOONエース9』掲載のFateシリーズ作品作家鼎談において、成田良悟氏と東出祐一郎氏の間ですり合わ せが行われ、「バーサーカーのクラスで召喚すると『fake』の方のジャックが出てきて、アサシンで召喚す ると『Apocrypha』のジャックが出てくる」ということになった。                 

 Here's the thing I was talking about a while a go. Berserker Jack and Assassin Jack are different existences, one is "the symbol of the madness." So like the paranoia that anyone could be Jack. While the other is "the grudge of the tens of thousands abandoned children." So if you summon Jack as a Berserker you get the strange fake Jack, if you summon an Assassin you get Loli-Jack.

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Diarmuid        

- 今回、ランサーのクラスを得たディルムッドは、魔槍ゲイ・ジャルグとゲイ・ボウを携える槍兵として具現化し たが彼の伝承にはモラルタ、ベガルタという2本の魔剣も語り継がれており、セイバーのクラスで召喚される可 能性も充分にあった。むしろケイネスはそちらを期待していたのかもしれない。

Ahahahahahahahaha. BALLS.

I was checking up on Lancer and preparing to jump into this discussion.

"... his legend also mentioned the two magical swords Moralltach and Beagalltach, making it entirely possible for him to be summoned into the Sabre Class. Rather, this was perhaps Kayneth's original expectation."

Zero Material.

(Forum Source)

- Nóralltach means the Greater Fury and the smaller one is Begallta meaning the Lesser Fury.

(Forum Source)

-  Q: Lancer did not use Moralltach and Beagalltach in this War, was it because he did not listen to his wife's advice? Would Beagalltach indeed be useful?

Gen: Diarmuid is a Nice Guy who pays attention to the social situation, I think wielding a sword when he was already in the Lancer Class would be really unbecoming of him.

This time his wife did not give him advice, because he only had a substitute wife, called Kayneth.

(Forum Source)                                                

- Zero Material says he crushes Servants who rely heavily on their Noble Phantasms, but does not explain why.

(Forum Source)

- Nasu speaks highly of him, attributing Lancer's failing mostly to the phail Master-Servant dynamic between him and Archibald. It is said Lancer has a shot of genuinely winning the Grail if a sound tactic was used.

Despite the praise, Nasu said Assassin could potentially knock him out fast (again with no explanations).

(Forum Source)

- それはあらゆる魔力の顕現を断ち切る必殺の"宝具殺し"である。

[Seika trans: That which cuts off all manifestations of prana, the special move of the “Noble Phantasm-killer”.]

(Forum Source)

- As Nasu puts it, Lancer was the pristine container ready to accept chivalry, and Sabre was the crystal clear water for that container.

[Zero Material]

(Forum Source)

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Cú Chulainn

- Lancer is the son of a God. CM2 said Lancer's dad has a long-range one-shot-kill Noble Phantasm.

(Forum Source)

- That red lance and those runic protections around his body, and on top of that, his abilities specialised in survival.

(Fate, Day 5, Question: Survivor - the LP chose to ask about Archer instead of Lancer)

[Remembering that Lancer has some measure of constant rune protection casts some new light on the fact that his runes are said to help defend him against Medusa’s eyes in their match-up, given he has a level of prana which should mean she insta-kills him].

Qualifications for other classes        

"He takes great pride in having the ability and knowledge enough to qualify for the Caster Class".

[CM, page 22, second paragraph of Lancer's Magic Resistance entry]

(Forum Source)

- お、王様相手に脅迫ときたか。この男、もしかして、昔より随分と丸くなっているんだろうか?Threatening a king, oh boy. This guy actually has settled down in comparison to the old times?

セイバー曰く、バーサーカーのクラスにも該当するという話だったんで、まさかとは思っていたが。According to Saber, he would also fit in the Berserker class, but I didn't believe it.

(F/HA Entrans Source)

[See also his Side Material entry]

Gáe Bolg (CM2 etc.)         

The Gae Bolg power-level entry does not mention Arc, so I assume arai found the entry about Gae Bolg and Arc from another interview.

The stuff in CM2 is largely a repeat of the stuff we already know. "Gae Bolg Damage = your HP", chance to hit depend on LCK, and you can run out of its range.

The only things that are new are that, Sabre's Instinct actually played a role in dodging Gae Bolg (in conjunction to LCK), and Lancer's Daddy is totally hax and can always strike your heart even at range (this one is sort of half-joking).

(Forum Source)

- T: So, would Archer get hit?

N: For sure. But since he knows about it, he wouldn’t approach Lancer in the first place. If it looked like Lancer was seriously getting ready to use Gae Bolg, Archer would already be frantically getting as far away as possible.

T: Ah, I see. That sort of tactic is always an option, huh? So what about the thrown version?

N: The “Spear of Striking Death Flight”. That one’s just pure, simple destructive power.

T: As expected. If you added on the concept of heart-piercing at long range too, then…

N: …it would end up being the ability of Lancer’s father. The ultimate version of Fragarach.

T: Eternal Force Blizzard! And the target dies. Around that level.

N: Naturally. Because the battles in mythology are freaking hax, right?

(Forum Source)                                 

        

- [A partial transcription of the interview, including the part about Lugh’s Gáe Bolg also sort of being Fragarach:

奈須:相手のヒットポイント分のダメージを与える必中武器だなんて、どう考えてもチートです(笑)。

    先にバーサーカーを語った後だからチート度が低いと錯覚してしまいますが。

武内:”ゲイ・ボルク”の使用に制限ってある? 真名さえ開示すればかならず当たるんだっけ?

奈須:槍が届く距離の戦闘でタイミングさえ合ってれば、宝具(ゲイ・ボルク)は必ず発動する。

    でも相手の幸運の数値が高かったら、まれに外れる。

武内:ラックでしか回避できない?

奈須:あれはラックでしか避けられません。たとえ敏捷度がEXだったとしても無理です。

    ”ゲイ・ボルク”の一撃に対してセイバーがギリギリで致命傷を避けられたのは、彼女の幸運が高かったからです。

武内:セイバーには先読みの能力もあるか。

奈須:”直感”ですね。彼女はそれにプラスして”幸運値”がBだから、完全には避けられなくても致命傷を免れることができた。

奈須:”突き穿つ死翔の槍”のほうは単純に破壊力ですね。

武内:さすがに遠距離でさらに心臓を穿てる概念が追加されたら・・・。

奈須:そこまでいくとランサーの父親筋の能力になっちゃう。フラガラック上位版ですよ。

(Complete Material 2, P73)

- It didn't say you can step out of range, but the question asks whether Archer would be hit, and Nasu said Archer would mad dash back if Lancer readies Gae Bolg.

(Forum Source)

- Nasu calls it "the guaranteed-hitting weapon that does as much damage as the opponent's hit point" in the interview.

(Forum Source)

- [Compare and contrast the ‘more than the opponent’s HP definition from Side Material:]

For instance, if we assume that Saber has 100 HP, then Gae Bolg's damage would be (Spear Damage) + (100)! As you can clearly see, being hit means certain death.

(McJon01’s Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Gae Bolg)

- Gae Bolg

Lancer’s anti-personnel noble phantasm. A cursed crimson spear with the infamous reputation of always going through the heart when thrust.

What it actually does is reversing causality, the spear being thrust after the outcome of striking the heart is established.

When its true power is invoked with its true name, Lancer’s crimson spear gains the outcome of already striking the heart before being thrust.

It didn’t hit because it was thrust, it hit so it was thrust, an attack on destiny itself.

What is needed to dodge Gae Bolg isn’t high agility but the power to reverse fate before the activation of Gae Bolg: high luck.

While it’s strictly anti-personnel and specifically targeting the heart, it’s a top-notch power that decides fate. It’s a noble phantasm a step away from being an authority, but it's no surprise that it is for its welder Cu Chulainn is the child of a god.

You shouldnft take him lightly just because he's a jobber.

(Forum Source - Extra Material)

- “There is more. Many abilities of Gáe Bolg are handed down in the legends but in every one is the fact that Gáe Bolg will always piece the heart.

I had thought that it was the ability of the possessor rather than a power of the weapon, but it seems I was wrong.

The nature of the devil lance, Lancer's Gáe Bolg, is to always pierce the heart.

Either way, it must be Lancer's skill and the curse of the lance itself.”

(Fate, Day 5, Question: Survivor - the LP chose to ask about Archer instead of Lancer)

- [Thanks Saber, clear as mud. Side Material is more definite about the heart-piercing NP.]

Also, it's a bit of a digression, but this version of Gae Bolg is something Lancer came up with himself.

The original Gae Bolg is actually a throwing weapon, and is anti-army rather than anti-personnel.

(McJon01’s Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Gae Bolg)

- "Don't worry. I didn't hit his heart. But the curse is still there.

---- Even you should know the curse of this lance. This is the 'lance of cause and effect', that reverses the cause and the effect. The one cursed by this thing cannot change their fate unless they have great luck."

To put it simply, the wound made by Gáe Bolg cannot be healed.

The one cursed cannot heal and bears the wound until they die. ---- As long as this lance exists."

(Fate, Day 15, Saber, to the Church)

[Because I remember at one point we’d decided that Gáe Bolg’s unhealable wounds disappearing when the lance broke was an artifact of the anime, because no-one could track down the game reference. It’s an actual VN thing!]

- In that regard, Lancer's lance is appropriate to be called a Noble Phantasm.

A weapon that always strikes the heart cannot be blocked merely by knowing about it.

If one is to oppose that demonic lance, one must…

Prepare a shield overwhelming the magical energy of the lance,

have great enough luck to change the fate determined by the lance,

or prevent him from using the lance in the first place.

(HF, Day 8, Last Swordsman/Interlude 8-2)

Interaction with Kotomine and Command Spells

Its something drinks translated from CM3. and apparently had just been sitting on it till a conversation we were having about how many command spells...something....hero kotimine in the 5th....

...hmm. Well, I don't remember the exact background details, maybe how many kotomine could have used against shirou in fate, but anywho, kirei actually used two of lancer's command spells, the one you mentioned is actually the second so he only had the one left (he actually emptied his clip in UBW when it comes to bazett's seals) Like I noted, the first one was "accept me as your master"         

(Forum Source)                                

- Okay, the thing Tobias was talking about was from CM2. But it doesn't really contradict the way the scene is portrayed in Unlimited Codes. Saying he was "made to acknowledge his Master changing to Kotomine with the power of the command spell" falls in line with Lancer's "sure I'll contract with you to survive, but you better use the power of the command spell if you want me to treat you as my Master".                                                 

(Forum Source)

[There was still some slight debate going on about how exactly the contract was formed, so you can follow the links to check that if you like.]

- She didn't even have time to call out Lancer, before Kotomine cleanly sliced off her left arm from behind and stole her command spells.

Afterward, he gave Lancer two commands. The first was to make him accept Kotomine as his Master, while the second was to make him gather intelligence.

(McJon01’s Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Bazett Fraga McRemitz)

Killing Women

- 「いや、ないけど。……いいのか、本当に。

頼みこんだ身でなんだけど、女殺しと主君殺しはしないんだろ?」    

“Um, no.. I mean, is it really okay?

 I know it's at my request, but didn't you swear not to kill women or masters?”

 ...

「 別に禁戒ってワケでもなし、なんとかなるだろ。」    

“Ain't really a geis, it just became that way.”

(Hollow Ataraxia - ランサー港-07)

-  「ここでも敵の大将を見逃してやってるんだ。

……アンタ、女の人を殺した事はなかったんだな」

 「そういう事になるな。

拘りがあったワケじゃねえから[ruby text=たま]偶[ruby text=たま]々だが----まあ、戦いで女を殺すのは好かねえな」

それは好く好かない以前の問題なのだろう。

愛そうが憎もうが関係はない。

サーヴァントとなった今はともかく、クーフーリンという英雄にとって、戦場で女性を殺めるのは好ましくなかったという事か。

“Yeah, but you still let the leader of the enemy escape.

....You never killed a woman before, have you?”

“Yeah, that's right.

I didn't really have a fixation on it, so it just happened that way----but that's right. I don't like killing women in a fight.”

I'd say that's a problem that comes before the matter of like or dislike.

Whether you love them or hate them didn't make a difference.

As a Servant, things are different now, but to the hero called Cu Chulainn, killing women on the battlefield isn't something he liked doing.

(Hollow Ataraxia - ランサー港-04)

[For more information on Cú Chulainn, refer to Battle Continuation and Disengage under Servant Skills, Runes under Magecraft, and the entry which follows this, on Lancer vs. Lancer]

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Lancer vs. Lancer         

Q.同じランサーであるクーフーリンとディルムッドがガチンコで戦ったら、どっちが勝ちますか?初登場時のクーフーリンはセイバーに押しまくられましたが、ディルムッドは逆に押してましたよね?ということはディルムッドのほうが強い……?

(三重県/高原の清水)

A.ディルムッドはマスターからのバックアップ(魔力供給量)が優れているので、単純な火力勝負ならディルムッドに軍配が上がるかと。

日本ではどちらも地形効果はゼロですが、舞台がアイルランドなら

―――クーフーリンに一本かと。

Q: Cu Chulainn and Diarmuid are both Lancers, but who will win in an honourable battle? In their first engagement with Sabre, Cu Chulainn was being pressed hard, but Diarmuid was able to pressure Sabre. So... Diarmuid is stronger?

A: Diarmuid received more backup from his Master (prana supply), thus in terms of pure firepower, Diarmuid was stronger. In Japan, both of them received 0 geographical boost (from the cultural sphere), but if the stage was in Ireland --- Cu Chulainn would have an edge.

(Forum Source)

[Translated on fuyuki too. From Comptiq 6]

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Karna

/Eh, was it stated that he needed his armor to use Vasavi Shakti?/

'It is a spear of mortality made out of lightning that is manifested by converting his golden armor, Kavacha and Kundala, due to Indra snatching it away in the legend and then rewarding Karna's noble posture with the spear.'                         

(Forum Source)                        

- Looking at CM4, I don't really think it's actually saying he's converting his armor into the spear. More like if he dumps his armor, he can use the spear.

BTW, there's a little addition to the armor description in his matrix about it reducing any damage so that it only does 1/10th of what it should have done.

(Forum Source)

- /What's the actual Runes/

 黄金の鎧と引き換えに顕現し、絶大な防御力の代わりに強力な“対神”性能の槍を装備する。

(Forum Source)

- Eye-beam = Oh Brahma, Cover the Earth 梵天よ、地を覆え = Brahmastra

Boomerang flaming spear = Oh Brahma, Curse Me 梵天よ、我を呪え = Brahmastra Kundala

(Forum Source)

- In the dictionary, Kinoko's saying that [the eyebeam is] really a visualization of his intimidating stare.

But in the game, it looks like a beam to everyone else, so let's just call it a beam and ignore Kinoko.

(Forum Source)

- I'm pretty sure you remember I posted the info by Gensou-R1 and Jeanneapocrypha are who posted Avicberon's plan, Vol.1 final summary before Canonrap, Semiramis's scale skin and etc; both stated "Karna can be a ruler" was incorrect info.

(Forum Source)

And Gilgamesh

- The Armor and spear is what Gil does not have and that is why he told Karna to give them up to him one out of this three: armor, spear or his head. The armor is already given away and the spear is to fight, so Karna tells Gil to take his worthless head if he can afford to.

(Forum Source)

- Karna:                                                                           

King of Uruk, adjudicator entrusted with the truth of the heavens and earth:

If it is my fate to be decapitated, then I shall entrust it to you.

That is, if you can break me with your power, o ancient one.

(I shortened Karna's last address to "o ancient one" because it was getting flowery. It was originally something like, "o ancient one who ruled the earth in the dawn, when the perception (world) of humans was young (small) still.”)

                                                                 

Gilgamesh:                                

----Very well.

I shall be certain to fulfill that promise.

It appears that we are opposites in existence.

(CCC confrontation; forum source)

                                         

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Gilgamesh

EA        

Gilgamesh's lines when you activate the NP, followed by

 「死して拝せよ!

          エヌマ・エリシュ

天地乖離す開闢の星!!」

(Forum Source)

The god (?)

The final Noble Phantasm of Gilgamesh which shows the dawn of creation – the beginning of everything. A cut through the fabric of space by Ea the Sword of Separation, a sword crowned with the name of a god in Mesopotamian mythology.

The god Ea is considered to be a pseudo-deification of the power of the planet by which primordial Earth’s surface, covered by magma ocean and gas, was moved, crushed, and stabilized.

Many gods began the building of nations after primordial Earth became habitable by life, but Ea was one involved in the building of the planet before that.

(Forum Source)

- Which reminds me, I've always found it strange that 擬神化 was translated as "pseudo-deification." Since, y'know, 擬人化 is usually translated as "anthropomorphization" or just "personification." Not "pseudo-personification" or anything like that.

...Theomorphization?

(Forum Source)

Cannot be copied

あらゆる宝具の原点をもつギルガメッシュだが、他の英雄がもち得る他の宝具とは違い、乖離剣エアだけは彼の みがもち得る唯一無二の存在。そのため、「無限の剣製(アンリミテッドブレイドワークス)」でも複製することはできない。

Though it is wielded by Gilgamesh, who has the prototypes of every Noble Phantasm, the Sword of Rupture Ea is different from the other Noble Phantasms that can be possessed by other heroes. It alone is a completely unique existence that can only be possessed by Gilgamesh. Therefore, even with Unlimited Blade Works, it is impossible to reproduce it.

Interesting. So less crazy alien materials, more THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.

(Forum Source)

NUMBERS! (This is always a bad idea)

Gil's strength is B.

B equates to 40 power.

Times 20 is 800.

Random boost of the mgi stat times 20. Easy enough, Gil's magic is also B, so double it.

1600 is gil's max damage

Max damage of EA is specifically listed as 4k, though the max damage number can be increased by the GoB. There is some interpretation on that last line, like Cruor's argument, and about 5 different ideas on the subject, but for stats wise, Gil literally can't reach half EA's power

(Forum Source)

- 4k, though it can be boosted further with support from the GoB, however, gilgamash doesn't have the stats to maximize its power. he can only reach 1600 + GoB support

(Forum Source)

- I doubt Arc is capable of producing enough brute force to match Excalibur before we even consider Ea.

At full power? She definitely can. See, factoring on the power that Roa stole, she has the power of around 17 Servants. If we use the stats given in F/E, then it should be like this

STR B+: (x17), END: C (x17)

In numbers this translates to

STR B+: 680 (1360) END: 510

(Forum Source)

- Anyways, an A rank physical attack constitutes a C rank NP IIRC, so

A = 50 C = 30 30/50 = 3/5 1360*3/5 = 816

(Forum Source)

[If we allow these assumptions, 100% Arc with her hair can't even match Gil-powered EA on brute force]

Armour

Increases physical and magical resistance.

(Forum Source)

- /It also grants protection against petrification, apparently./

Source (CCC)

(Forum Source)

- ---But.

Still, the golden armor retains its shape.

If the armor is free of damage even after taking Saber's attacks so many times…

…Could it be that his Noble Phantasm is his golden armor --- ?

...

My armor does not give out often, but ---"

(Fate, Day 14, Oldest King)

- I looked up the Japanese.

我の鎧が軋みをあげるなど、そうあり得る事ではないのだが

So it turns out it's more like "Even though it's not like my armor is actually in danger of giving out or anything."

(Forum Source)

Gate of Babylon

ギルガメッシュが貯蔵したものは財宝というより、"人類の知恵の原点"そのものである。

英雄王の蔵にないものがあるとすれば、それは"新人類が生み出す、まったく新しい概念によるもの"他天体の知的生命体による文明技術によるもの"のどちらかとなる。

なので飛行機も潜水艦も当然完備。

西暦以前であれ人の欲望は変わらず、また、魔力が健在だった頃の古代の技術は近代の技術に劣ってはいなかった。

人が夢見る"希望の道具"はたいてい実現し、その都度、王の手によって接収されていた訳だ。

What Gilgamesh has collected is not mere riches, but rather the very "origins of human wisdom".

The only things missing from his vault would be items produced with completely new concepts by a new human race, and items produced with extraterrestrial intelligence and technology.

Therefore, it is even furnished with airplanes and submarines.

The desires of ancient humans were not so different from our own, and because magical energy was alive and well in that era, their technology was in no way inferior to that of the modern age.

The "Instruments of Hope" that people dreamed of were all realized, and it goes without saying that in every single case they were requisitioned by the King's hand.

(Forum Source - from his CCC Personal Collector: EX skill)

- 大なり小なり、様々な神話の英雄たちは

ギルガメッシュの伝説から派生したものだ。

であるなら、ギルガメッシュは英雄たちが持つ宝具の

原型・・・・・・各神話ごとにアレンジされる前の、

大本の宝を所持している事になる。

逆説ではあるが、原典であるギルガメッシュが持っていな

ければ、発展系であるその後の英雄たちの手に宝具は

伝わらないからである。

(Forum Source - CCC Keyword 02, King of Heroes)

- Gist:

Gilgamesh is the original, other heroes are his offshoots → other heroes have NPs → therefore Gilgamesh, as the original, must have had the prototypes of their NPs, because otherwise where else would the NPs have come from? → it becomes so that he does.

GoB is the manifestation of this rule, so that it doesn't just contain what he acquired when he was alive. At least that seems to be the currently agreed upon interpretation among the Yamato.

(Forum Source)

- More or less, the heroes of various myths are derived from Gilgamesh's legend. As such, Gilgamesh possesses the prototypes of the Noble Phantasms that heroes carry... the original treasures from before every legend was arranged. Though it may be a paradox, unless the original, Gilgamesh, possesses it, it cannot be handed down as the Noble Phantasm possessed by the later heroes who were derived from him.

(Translation of the above Japanese by breakfastcontinental)

- "Although paradoxical, if Gilgamesh, the original Hero, did not possess it, then the later Heroes would not have their Noble Phantasms passed down to them, as they were extensions of Gilgamesh's original legend."

(IRC cleaning up of above by food)

- Kinda late to this whole thing, but just wanted to note that the "owning humanity's stuff" and "having prototypes of all NPs" are actually two separate clauses. One is not the result of the other.

He has the prototypes of all NPs because his legend is what those of other heroes are derived from = he is the original owner of all of their legends (NPs). This is where the "NPs get retroactively added to his possession" part comes from.

The owning all of humanity's stuff part comes from his hoardi―――uh, I mean, adjudicating.

(Forum Source)

- When Kiara gets indignant and asks him if he's capable of moving faster than light, Gil calls her an idiot, and that she should have known he'd have ships of light among his treasures. Then rants for a while about how just because he likes the classics doesn't mean he doesn't keep up with recent developments, and that if there's a technique that sends somebody to the edges of space then there will be a Noble Phantasm corresponding to it, because his what his vault really holds is the prototype of all human knowledge.

Basically, he has FTL starships because humans will at some point develop FTL starships. Or at least, are capable of it.

(Forum Source)

- The key-sword thing is actually Bab-ilu.

(Forum Source)

- I guess I should elaborate that he calls it 王律鍵バヴ=イル (Key of the King's Law, Bab-ilu; same as Prototype but no ruby), which I just shortened to Bab-ilu because I wasn't sure whether 王律 was supposed to be a play on 法律. (assuming so, going by Prototype 奉る王律の鍵)

Which is also implied to have the bonus ability of unlocking anything that has a lock in some throwaway line?

(Forum Source)                                

- Nasu explained it in the dictionary entry.

Babylon is used symbolically to represent the Golden Capital (Uruk).

Yes, Nasu did read myths. He chose Babylon because Yamatoland people don't know what the hell Uruk is.

(Forum Source)

- It all goes back to Gilgamesh never being serious.

We don't even know what is a "fully opened" Gate of Babylon. He opens the Gate with the key blade, but there are more levels even within the Gate that can be further unlocked with the key blade.

(Forum Source)

- There's "opening it wider", as in the Gilgamesh VS Lancelot fight.

There's also "opening it deeper", as in the Gilgamesh VS Iskander fight. The Gate of Babylon was already open. The "Gate opening" scene in the Reality-Marble-annihilation scene was actually opening a deeper level of the Gate. Ea was stored in a deeper part of the vault with the good stuff, away from the "garbage" that Gilgamesh usually spams.

So basically we have never seen 100% Gate of Babylon, just like we have never seen 100% Ea.         

(Forum Source)

[This is from one or other of the F/Z Visual Materials, apparently.]                                        

It is likely that imitations such as the Road of Babylon also exist.

(McJon01's Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Gate of Babylon)

Snakes And Immortality

                                                                 

/Nah, he says he gave it to the snake, but he actually has it, that's not in doubt/                        

CCC magic answers this.

The snake ate it when he was asleep. Then after he went back to Uruk and put things in order he eventually went back to retrieve more of the herb because he thought it deserved to be preserved in his vault.

He mentions in CCC that it might come in useful one day if he's put in a situation that he could only tolerate as a child.

(Forum Source)

                                                

Effect on his kingdom

Saber: But, King of Heroes.

That is why you destroyed your own country --- !

(Fate, Day 15, stay Night (II))

- Lancer: "…Damn, I see. No wonder he's so conceited. He's the guy who destroyed his own country by just doing whatever he wanted, so of course he's twisted."

(Fate, Day 15, That Which Cannot Be Surrendered)

[By contrast, Gil seems to have actually left Uruk in a good state when he died.]

- しかし、横暴なだけで暴君という訳でもなく、ウルクを正しく繁栄させ、語り合える友を見いだし、民の害となる魔物たちを自ら討伐するなど、その英雄性には疑いようがない。

その後のギルガメッシュは苛列さこそあるものの、穏やかに国を治め、次の王に都市を委ねて永眠した。

(Forum Source)

[Either the legends about him really suck and don’t reflect ‘reality’, or (and this is my feeling) they’re referencing the time before Enkidu showed up and gave Gil a match].

The Man of Many Moods: Gil’s changing attitude

- I am more indifferent now than I usually am.

Most of what goes on is none of my business, after all.

If I were, for example, to become incarnated,

my blood as a human would stir and my nature would gravitate towards that of the humans of that era---

however, there is no such alteration here.

Thus, I shall simply tour SE.RA.PH as I please.

Some trivial secret like this will do as fare.”

....(sigh)

The hero who has known no fear since the Age of the Gods, and lived only according to his desires.

It seems that his way of existence is no different now as a Servant from when he was alive.

(Fate/EXTRA CCC, Chapter 3 - Gilgamesh SG 1)

- 「受肉の一つでもすれば人として血が騒ぎ、

我の性質もその時代にあった人間性に偏るだろうが―――

ここではその変質もない。

My feeling is that being incarnated also shifts his view of himself from observer to active participant, which could be another factor.

(Forum Source)

- Ruthless and unfeeling. A tyrant who heeds not the opinions of others and lives by his standards alone.

Like Red Archer, I’ve expounded exhaustively on this guy in plenty already, so there’s nothing in particular that needs to be said.

Though some details were tweaked slightly for Extra, he’s basically the same Gil we all know.

...

Additionally, because he is not incarnated in Extraverse, he is not affected by the nature of the era’s civilization. In CCC, one may occasionally catch glimpses of the more personal sides of a neutral Gilgamesh from the era of the epic.

(Forum Source - Fate/EXTRA Material)

As a Counter Guardian?

The only thing dwelling in those red eyes gazing at the magnificence was complete blood-colored joy. It was a feeling beyond the bounds of mundanity, known only to the king who had completely exhausted all the pleasures of this world.

In truth, Archer was pleased.

He was tired of how he would be invited till the end of time, repeatedly, to farces that were battles in name only. And now, he had finally obtained an opponent he could recognize as an 'enemy'.

A challenge from that Rider was worth using his full strength to gain supremacy.

(Fate/Zero, Volume 4 - Flame of Purgatory, Act 16, Part 4)

- 時の果てにまで招かれておきながら、戦とは名ばかりの茶番を繰り返す日々に飽いていた。

Seems more like how despite he was invited to the end of time (which is like another way of saying him crossing through time, judging by some other Buchi-speak in Zero), he had to put with all those farces of battles in the Fourth War.

The repeatedly part doesn't really mean much.

At least that's the way I'm going to interpret the Japanese.

(Forum Source)

Vs. Arcueid; Firepower

A.アルクェイドの強さの定義に、「相手に合わせて出力を変えられる」というものがあります。バックアップである星からの絶対命令として、相手の強さよりやや上の出力しか許されないのですね。で。

アルクとサーヴァントの個体面としての能力はほぼ同格。

サーヴァントは各々の宝具を、アルクは無限のバックアップをもって戦い、その相性によって差が出るわけです。シンプルイズベストなアルクはオールラウンダーなので総じて勝率が高いだけであって、どうしても苦手な相手というのは存在します。例えば、本人の能力はアルクと同格でも、その武装がとんでもなく多く、用途も多岐にわたる場合とか。

アルクが許される引き出し額は相手の『個体能力』に準じるので、>ギル様のようなタイプには、ほら、ねえ?そしてサーヴァント5体分+αというのは、単純な「火力」の比較です。『残骸』たちのようにそれぞれが雑兵レベルの相手になら攻撃をかわされることもないので、後はもうひたすらに武器の多い者が有利というか。ブロードブリッジにおいて、1対1で優れたサーヴァントはあんまり目立てないのはそのためです。

あと、通常アルクェイドはサーヴァント約2体分の個体能力ってことでひとつ

[Japanese for the Comptiq 9 Q&A translated on Fuyuki]

(Forum Source)

Vs. Lancelot         

やはりランスロットがギルガメッシュを相手にあそこまで健闘できたのは狂化による能力増幅の賜物だったわけ で

Lancelot being able to put up a good fight against Gilgamesh was the result of his abilities being boosted by Mad Enhancement.

(Forum Source)

Vs. Grail

Nasu: Regardless he was incarnated or not, as long as Gilgamesh was materialized under the Grail System, he could not resist the Grail itself - Black Sakura. Also, the incarnated Gilgamesh had an amazing amount of mana. In Sakura Route, since she devoured an unexpectedly large amount of mana from Gilgamesh, Sakura who was barely maintaining herself, buckled like a broken dam.

(Forum Source; CM2)

The reason that he was able to splendidly escape after being swallowed by Angra Mainyu at the end of Fate/Zero despite succumbing to the same thing in the Sakura route of Fate/stay night is because in the latter he was distracted by the presence of a naked girl.

...Just kidding! Actually, it was due to the difference in power between the "mud", which was cut off from its source, and the "shadow" which was connected directly to it.        

(McJon01’s Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Zero Material - Gilgamesh)

Ḫuwawa

- From Gil's matrix.

神の獣フンババ compared to 神獣"天の牡牛"

Beast of God, Humbaba compared to Divine Beast "Bull of Heaven." only difference is that possessive article.

(Forum Source)

- If you look a couple of lines down from 神獣"天の牡牛", the Bull is again referred to as 敵う者のいない神の獣

(Forum Source)

Destroying Hollow Ataraxia

- I think the "four days" thing was from a question in a Nasu interview on why Gil got bored and de-aged himself in HA (because he would've ended the four-day loop all by himself otherwise and there wouldn't be a story).

Edit: in case anyone is curious about the quote.

「hollow」はしかたないんですよ!ギルガメッシュはあまりにも強すぎて、あの4日をひとりで破壊できちゃう。ヤツにおとなしくしていてもらうには、ああするしか手はなかった……(笑)。

(Forum Source)

Based on Proto-Saber

- “He looks like that other blond guy, but that's because that guy's design was actually based off of a darkened Proto-Saber.”

(Forum Source)                                         

        

- Nasu, CM2                                                                                                           

だから武内君に髪を下ろしたバージョンもお願いしたんですよ。旧アーサーのデザインをこいつに生かして「髪下ろしたギルさんは主人公張れます!」みたいな。

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And Karna

- The Armor and spear is what Gil does not have and that is why he told Karna to give them up to him one out of this three: armor, spear or his head. The armor is already given away and the spear is to fight, so Karna tells Gil to take his worthless head if he can afford to.

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- Karna:                                                                           

King of Uruk, adjudicator entrusted with the truth of the heavens and earth:

If it is my fate to be decapitated, then I shall entrust it to you.

That is, if you can break me with your power, o ancient one.

(I shortened Karna's last address to "o ancient one" because it was getting flowery. It was originally something like, "o ancient one who ruled the earth in the dawn, when the perception (world) of humans was young (small) still.”)

                                                                 

Gilgamesh:                                

----Very well.

I shall be certain to fulfill that promise.

It appears that we are opposites in existence.

(CCC confrontation; forum source)

                                         

[For more backstory and detail on Gilgamesh, Reiu has done some very helpful translations from CCC here.]

[Within this document, refer also to Fame & Selection of Servants.]

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EMIYA

/CM3

Thaumaturgy: C-

During his life time, the sorceries learned by Emiya are unremarkable. Before becoming a Heroic Spirit, even “reinforcement” was quite difficult. However, the “projection” sorcery he wields is quite special, as it is able to duplicate weapons, including all the components, to near perfection. In addition, during duplication, he can even read the wielder’s skills, which allows him to gain all kinds of Noble Phantasms and combat skills.

During his life time, Emiya used the preliminary step of projection – “structural analysis”, to find the location of an item’s fault and proceed with repair./

He gained new skills or at least got better at the ones he could already do, after he died.

Also, judging by cm3, I don't see how Emiya could acquire EotM while alive, he couldn't really have much more battle experience than any other human that spent a lot of time in training/war.

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- The phrase in Japanese uses 苦労 rather than 難しい, so I'm inclined to say it's more like a "burden" and all, which is true, since reinforcement is costlier than projection and the cost always seems to go up when it comes to non-battle related things. Less that he gained skill after becoming a HS, more that in doing so, he has access to, you know, more mana and all.

/Also, judging by cm3, I don't see how Emiya could acquire EotM while alive, he couldn't really have much more battle experience than any other human that spent a lot of time in training/war./

                                         

I'll throw CM3 right back at you.

A weapon wielded by none other than a mortal, gained through tenacious training.                                          

Because he's totally mortal and has a dojo in the throne.                                                 

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Memories

- You got it half right. His memory was hazy when he was summoned, but he was able to sit down that night and reason everything out and realize that this was his big chance to kill himself. BUT! And here's the important part. He legit didn't remember Rin's name until she introduced herself, and it had nothing to do with his memory being hazy from the summoning. He'd just forgotten her over time.

Though, the more I think about it, the more the idea that Archer has any kind of leg up in the Fifth War because he experienced all the Servant's fighting styles seems sort of silly, since not only did he most likely forget half of it, but as Shirou his experience with "fighting" Servants pretty much consisted of jumping into swords and getting gruesomely maimed.

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- Says Side Material.

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EXTRA

A short summary, Rin's Archer is bitter and Extra's Archer noted on that and commented that it is difficult to escape from one's persistence. Simply, EA is not bitter and did not regret his life when still human while RA is.

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- More like it [Extra Material] throws it out.

It says that they're basically the same existence, but then it mentions they have different true names from each other, and you can see the reason why Extra Archer's is Nameless from one of the special event scenes in Extra.

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- Yeah, that's pretty much it. Roughly same existence, but not same individual. You can check the reason in the special event on the game. Also, it says that it might be much easier to understand if look at it as being different from what happened to Caster (Tamamo).

On another note, it also comments how the way of being of his ending is different from the other Servants. Saber and the rest is "the future that starts from the present", but Archer's is "the present that starts from the future". Once again, they say that the meaning behind this difference can be found in the game.

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- /So, looking at EXTRA Archer's stats and regular Archer's, there are some slightly amusing inconsistencies between them. I'm guessing to show that they are two different people and all that, but it seems EXTRA Archer is stronger, luckier and can see slightly better (Strength C, Luck D, Clairvoyance C+ to Strength D, Luck E, Clairvoyance C) than regular Archer but is less independent (Independent Action C to Independent Action B)./

According to Extra Material, the raise in base parameters has been explained as being a consequence of him becoming a "Nameless" Heroic Spirit in the EXTRA timeline. The "+" in Clairvoyance seems to be a momentary boost achieved through Magecraft. Nothing has been said about the change in Independent Action.

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- Matrix

As for the human he once was, no traces of that person exist. Instead, he is now the personification of what most people would imagine one who holds the title of "Ally of Justice" to be.

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[See also Kanshō & Bakuya, and Projection magecraft.]

                                

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EMIYA VS Medusa clarification

If you think about it, Archer will win, but at long range, Rider would be?

(Fuyuki)

- It's more like "You would think Archer would have the advantage, but Rider actually has the edge at long range?"

Basically Nasu was being dramatic and building toward the reveal that Bellerophon >> anything Archer can dish out at long range.

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Medusa        

/Wouldn't that mean her bounded field is up? Can't remember how it went but wasn't Gorgon Breaker supposed to seal the bounded field inside her head or something, I forget how it went./

Breaker Gorgon is the Bound Field given shape, essentially. The Bound Field is "always up" as long as Rider is using Breaker Gorgon.

The Breaker Gorgon is a Bound Field that seals the target into the heart of the Gorgon (I think heart here means psyche, not literally heart?), and completely shuts down the target's abilities.

What Rider did is, turning this Bound Field on her own eye balls and seal their abilities.

Shirou's wet-dream is what can happen if Rider targets another person.

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- Kibisis was Perseus's bag, which is a materialised Bound Field. (One of a mirrored realm)

Breaker Gorgon was the Bound Field over the Shapeless Isle when Medusa was alive. As a Heroic Spirit, it was given a shape as eye cover. (A Bound Field of Medusa's realm)

The similarity is that, both Noble Phantasms are "Bound Fields given shape".

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- Kibisis seems to be the more useless one, but it has amazing compatibility against Medusa.

What happened was that, Kibisis enveloped Breaker Gorgon, essentially reflected Breaker Gorgon onto Medusa herself. And you know Breaker Gorgon essentially shuts down the target by entrapping them in the Gorgon's psyche. Basically Medusa was trapped in her own mind, hence the nightmares.

Paralysing nightmares = head lopped off.

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[It seems to me that in the two situations, the difference is the targeting. In the one (Perseus attacking), Rider as a whole is affected by her bounded field. In the other (use of Breaker Gorgon as a seal for her eyes), Rider is purposely only targeting her eyes with the NP.]

- And note that the "blind fold" Temple of Darkness has the prefix "Self-Seal". It is not the real Temple of Darkness. The real Temple of Darkness is Medusa's Boundary Field. It is a mind-binding pocket-universe that traps the target in his own nightmare. This is why I keep referring Rider's NP as "kitty versions of the real thing".         

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- Q:ライダーの目隠し(自己封印 暗黒神殿(ブレイカ ゴルゴーン))は、ちゃんと向こう側が見えているの でしょうか? またライダーのつけている”魔眼殺しの眼鏡”は、この宝具に匹敵する封印能力を持っているの でしょうか?

A:視覚は完全に封じられています。聴覚、触覚、嗅覚、あとは魔力探索などで外界を見ていますが 視覚で見 るより正確な情報を手に入れているでしょう。

眼鏡に関しては、石化の力を封じている程度です。ゴルゴーンのように”魔性をすべて封じる”ことはできてい ません。

 Q: Rider's eye cover, Breaker Gorgon, does it allow her to see what's before her? Also, the Mystic Eyes Killer Rider is wearing, does it have a comparable sealing power as this Noble Phantasm?

A: Her sight is completely sealed. Although Rider perceives the world through senses such as hearing, touch, smell, and magic-detection, she is able to acquire more precise information than sight.

About the glasses, it only seals the power of petrification. It does not act like the Breaker Gorgon, which "seals all magical properties".         

- Casual Rider is always wearing Rin's Mystic Eyes Killer, completely shutting down the effect of the eyes. Without those, Rider cannot close her eyes (or do anything about the eyes besides forcibly sealing them, apparently).

[Re: Casual Rider being able to close her eyes, whilst Truth About Sakura, HF, Day 9 tells us that ‘The iris is solidified, not allowing the eyes to close.’]

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-The Pegasus itself is close to tanking Excalibur, this is a sentiment Nasu expressed during the interview (the Pegasus Rush in Fate was not retard charge on Rider's part, it was a close one).

[For ‘Pegasus’, I’m assuming we read ‘Pegasus + Bellerophon’, since the defensive boost is a relatively prominent part of the NP profile.]

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- I think I found what Food was talking about.

It's this bit in CM3 about the writer going on about it being impressive that something could withstand a direct in-the-face hit from Excalibur even if only briefly.

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- CM3 already stated that Rider can blood suck her way beyond the limit of IA.

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- Medusa

Rider is more of a Divine Spirit than a Heroic Spirit. Yet, it is better to call her “an anti-hero closer to a monster” instead of a Divine Spirit. Because she possesses a rank as a monster, Rider is very incompatible with Servants who fought off monsters in their tales.

(CM3)

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Iskander

Ἰόνιοι Ἑταίροι         

"そんな中でも、「王の軍勢の中には征服王本人よりも強い英霊がちらほらいる」

「でも征服王の能力に限界があるので宝具までは具現化できない」など

小ネタもでてきたりで、楽しんで読めました。"

[Seasons of Change]

There are a few Heroic Spirits among the King's Army that are even stronger than the King of Conquerors.

However, due to the limit of the King of Conqueror's abilities, he was unable to materialize their Noble Phantasms.

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[Bits in 「」 are the important ones]

- Now you know there are actually very high-ranked Heroic Spirits in there, but just without their Noble Phantasms.

A Rank Servants without Noble Phantasms are still deadly, just see Berserker and his mad flailing around.

It's a matter of Iskander's innate ability. It is not something chugging mana can fix.

Check out the link. It is just a general overview of the new Zero Visual Guide.

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- /the quote Satehi linked to implies that everyone (save for the ones stronger than Iskander) already have their NPs./

I'll grant you that the translation implies that.

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- The translation and the quote are not the same thing. And Japanese can be pretty vague when it comes to what the subject of a sentence is.

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- Narita: Here it is, the deployment of the King's Army at the midpoint of the War! Using an army of tens of thousands to crush less than a hundred Assassins is too much of an over-kill (laughs).

Haganeya: There were way too many people. It was great that so many showed up, but most of them went home without doing anything (laughs).

Nasu: The scary part is, some heroes in this army were stronger than the summoner Rider himself. Although Rider's deeds were great, it was not a testament of his personal martial prowess.

Sanda: So do they have basic Skills and Noble Phantasm as Servants?

Nasu: No, since they were summoned via Rider's skill, it was not necessary to assign them Class based on the rules of the Holy Grail War. However, since there is a limit to Rider's abilities, their Noble Phantasms could not be materialized. If Iskander's army of tens of thousands could pair up with Gilgamesh, who had unlimited Noble Phantasms, the result would be most ideal.

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- 奈須:いや、あそこで固有結界にいる英霊たちが全員、

奈須:王の軍勢の兵士たちは英雄であって英霊ではないので、

Nasu: Everyone in that Reality Marble is a Heroic Spirit

….

Nasu: The soldiers of Ionioi Hetairoi are not Heroic Spirits

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- Nasu's own wording for the first one is closer to "all the heroic spirits in the reality marble are......". It's not really the same as "everyone's a Heroic Spirit", sounds more like he didn't think too much when he said that because what he really wanted to say was something else. I mean, eiyuu eirei, they start off the same in pronunciation.

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- 奈須:いや、あそこで固有結界にいる英霊たちが全員、「時間を稼ぐのはいいが、別に、あれを倒してしまっても構わんのだろう?」ってやったらよかっ たんだよ。

奈須:王の軍勢の兵士たちは英雄であって英霊ではないので、超能力は持ってないのじゃ。それでも化け物みたいに強いメンツだけど。

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The Gordias Wheel

飛蹄雷牛(ゴッド・ブル)

ゴルディアス・ホイールを牽く神牛。雷を司る至高神ゼウスは、かつてエウロペを誘惑する際に牡牛へと姿を変 えたという。よってゼウス神に捧げられた戦車の牽引力として顕現したのは、ゼウスと縁のある聖 獣だった。

Air-walking Thunder Bull (God Bull)

The divine bulls that pull the Gordias Wheel. It is said that before the seduction of Europa, the supreme god of thunder Zeus changed his shape into that of a bull. Therefore, what manifested as the driving force of the chariot dedicated to Zeus, were Divine Beasts with a connection to Zeus.

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The Sword of the Cypriots

/I was wondering if there's a literary basis for Zero/Rider's Sword of the Cypriots. Googling "alexander sword of the cypriots" mostly gets me Fate/Zero related results, which is kind of disappointing but also expected. I'm not sure if the sword actually exists in any literary mentions, or if it's just something Urobuchi made up to relate to the Gordius knot, symbolically or something. Who knows what insider info Type-Moon and co. have access to./

Don't currently have access to my Arrians, which might give some additional info, but ...

Plutarch, Life of Alexander 33

μάχαιραν δὲ θαυμαστὴν βαφῇ καὶ κουφότητι, δωρησαμένου τοῦ Κιτιέων βασιλέως, εἶχεν, ἠσκημένος τὰ πολλὰ χρῆσθαι μαχαίρᾳ παρὰ τὰς μάχας.

He had a sword, wondrous in in its lightness and temper, with which he had been presented by the king of the Kitieans*. He did a great deal of practice so he might make use of the sword in battle.

* Wiki says: Kition (Ancient Greek: Κίτιον), also known by its Latin name Citium, was an ancient city-state centered on the southern coast of Cyprus, in today's Larnaca. The state was originally established by the Greeks as Kittim in the 13th century BC but was re-established and historically defined by Phoenicians as Kition in around 800 BC.         

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- I don't think they called it a noble phantasm, but there was something about how Alexander's sword is pretty much his version of Gil's keysword, and its only actual purpose is to cut the hole on the sky for his chariot to come out of. Which actually makes a good deal of sense when you consider that the chariot comes from the Gordian Knot legend.                                                 

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Iskander’s Bisexuality

Nobody told me this was a thing.

東出:ケイネスがライダーのマスターだったら絶対に上手くいかなかっ

たね。浮気は絶対にないだろうけど。

虚淵:浮気というか普通にもう両方抱いてやるの勢いだったと思うよ。

東出:そういえば両刀だった。

鋼屋:昔の人は両刀がわりと普通だからね。

Higashide: If Kayneth were Rider's master it wouldn't have worked out. But there wouldn't be any cheating*. (*as in Sola-Ui with Lancer)

Urobuchi: Not exactly cheating but I think [Rider] would basically go at it as if to fuck both of them.

Higashide: Oh yeah, he's bisexual.

Haganeya: Bisexuality was relatively normal for people of ancient times.

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[Source below:]

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Perseus

Personality

Perseus has to kill Gorgon because he can't keep his mouth shut. He boasted he can slay the Gorgon.

This is why Rider said Perseus is a "victorious Shinji" and she would never "get along with him".

It is a comment on Perseus' personality, a narcissistic douchebag who loves to boast.

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[I believe this is without significant back-up, but I’m not going to pass up a moon-rune reader telling me that I’m right in believing this interpretation of the ‘victorious Shinji’ remark]

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Francis Drake

/So is Extra Rider really in Avalon or was that more fanon?/

It was drawing a parallel about their separate legends that involve returning from the land of the dead to come to England's defense. Arthur from Avalon, and Drake from "across the ocean". Aksys derped and ended up sticking both of them in Avalon because they can't into lists of things.

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- Well, the damage that Golden Hind Wild Hunt can inflict changes correspondingly to the amount of money Drake possesses at the moment. /Extra Material

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- In addition - and this is merely literary creation - there is also a story full of romance in which Drake was a companion of Queen Elizabeth and, just before setting sail for the world circumnavigation, switched places with the Queen, who could no longer go out in public due to receiving a wound on her face.

(Fate/EXTRA - Rider Matrix)

[See also Pioneer of the Stars/Explorer of the Planet and Rider of the Storm.]

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Medea

Her Nasuverse ‘history’

To make up for that, she abused forbidden magic.

Collection from the people. The magical string she placed throughout the town and the control of the ley line using sacrifices.

…These are all reasons why she was called a witch during her life.

But she has never used them before.

She should have never used them, and she did not intend to do the forbidden.

(UBW, Day 13, Interlude 1 - Princess)

- /Wasn't Caster a True Magician, back when she was alive? Due to the whole "almost all magecraft was True Magic back then" deal?/

Ya, I mean it in the modern sense.

Back in the days every mage is a Magician because there's very little science.

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Her Spatial Transfer (Imitation of True Magic); Innate Time Control Translation

No. The translation lost the distinction between 空間転移 (spatial transference) and 純粋な転移 (pure transference, true magic). Caster does the former, not the latter, and they point out that's what she's doing nearly every time she does it. Also interesting, but what the translation rendered as "It must be transportation or control of matter" in the Archer versus Caster fight, was actually 空間転移か固有時制御か-- that is "It's either spatial transference or innate time control".

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- OK, so there are two things here.

"純粋な空間転移" or "純粋な転移" (pure teleportaion/pure spatial transference) is in the actual realm of magic.

And then there is "空間転移", which is a sorcery that allows for instant transference through the operation of higher dimensions/planes. Araya and Caster runs this (via Mobius Space and the Ryoudo Workshop), and gives the illusion of Pure Teleportation.

So there you have it.

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Bounded Fields

Q. 作中では出てきませんでしたが、キャスターは固有結界を使えますか?

A.残念ながら使えません。が、彼女ほど超絶した魔術師なら、小さな魔術と大きな魔術を緻密に構築していく 事で同規模の「異界」を作り上げられるでしょう。まあ、その為にかかる時間と費用はやっぱり莫大なものです が。

Q. Although it did not appear in the works, can Caster use a Reality Marble?

A. Unfortunately, Caster cannot use it. But, if it is a magus of her level of excellence, by precisely constructing small magecraft and large magecraft, she can construct "another world" of the same scale, don't you agree? Well, the time and expenses required for that is vast, after all.

Medea’s Item Creation; Territory Creation

/Out of curiosity is there anything else mentioned in CM3 about Caster?/

The Dragon Bone Warriors are not summoned. They are Golems manufactured from Dragon bones through the Item Creation skill.

Also, Caster had the option to forge some powerful Mystic Codes to aid her in battle, but she thought it was too time consuming, and effort would be better spent fortifying her position with Territory Creation.

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- /Did they say anything about what the mystic codes could do? A Caster ranked mystic code must be pretty powerful if anything./

Nothing specific, just a generic "the difference between the Mystic Codes Caster forged and that of a normal magus is like heaven and earth".

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Effects of her legend; healing magic

That scene where Kuzuki got killed and she couldn't heal him because her legend had sealed away her ability to use all her positive magic was pretty sad.

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- Timing-wise, it probably would have happened in the Fate route on that day it was raining, and Ilya and Shirou and Saber were just chilling out.

I mean, it was raining in that scene too and it only could have happened in the Fate route.

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-we only heard about it in HA, it actually happened off panel in fate.

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[NB: This applies to others: as seen after Gilgamesh's sword-rain and Archer's near-hit Caladbolg, she's still able to spend magical power in order to heal herself. Something akin to Ciel's lolihavetonnesofcircuits regeneration?]

Rule Breaker

I just like how people were always clinging to the "destroys any magecraft" thing. But then it turns out that the hakai wasn't the hakai that means destruction, but rather the hakai that means (surprisingly!) "rule breaking". And that it can rule break every magic in stuff it targets, but the only valid targets are two types of magic. (Three in the game. She's getting weaker!)                                         

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- Medea says it can nullify every magecraft. Her character profile specifies that it nullifies sustained magecraft. Which brings you back to strengthened items, contracts, and magical lifeforms.

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- https://twitter.com/Fate_SN_Anime/st...77032386334721

『破戒すべき全ての符』と書いてルールブレイカー。

発動している魔術式を反故にする宝具。殺傷能力はないが、使い方次第でこのように戦局を大きく変えられる。

なに、真名発動がなかった? アニメなのでそこは流せ。

[奈須] #fate12

Holy shit, so you do need to invoke Rule Breaker for it to work.

Last part is nasu saying that the true name wasn't released because it was an anime so whatever. And clarification or rather mechanism on that CM2 list of the stuff it works against. It nullifies magical formulas thereby destroying whatever.

                        

CM3:

Magic formula

Something included in a magic foundation and in which the function of magic is recorded.

The magus sends a command to the magic formula, puts magic power into it, and thereby activates the function of magic incorporated into the formula in advance.

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- The rule breaker thing is more about the mechanism. Say you have a golem and you use rule breaker now. We now know that when you stab the golem with rule breaker the Magic formula behind the golem is nullified and that's why it's just a pile of rocks.

Before we knew what rule breaker did but not how it did it.

Also you need to say rule breaker when you're using rule breaker.                                         (Forum Source)

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Gilles de Rais          

According to Zero Materials, Gilles was never himself a Caster. He participated in alchemical and Demon-summoning rituals and funded them.

The whole Caster thing is a massive, massive screw up.

The real magus who was responsible for Gilles' rituals was "フランソワ・プレラーティ".

[François/Francesco Prelati]

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- He absolutely wasn't qualified to be a Caster even a little bit, but he got shoved into that container anyway just like Sasaki got shoved into the Assassin class. They're both irregular Servants.

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- 本来であればジルはキャスターのクラスに適合する英霊ではない。という か厳密には正しい意味での英霊ですらない。

"Strictly speaking Giles is not a Heroic Spirit."

Although this is probably not due to Giles being a faceless candidate like Hassan, more likely it is due to Giles' murdering and raping rampage later in life. Or in other words, I think he got demoted to Wraith. This part is my opinion though.

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- In the "creator dialogue", it's mentioned Giles is a true knight and can potentially handle classes other than Caster if summoned properly.

Also he's said to be very wealthy in Nasuverse, so he may have Golden Rules. Again, if summoned properly.

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- Even if his end was stained with humiliation and revulsion, no matter how much he may be held in contempt – the glory in his past alone cannot be denied or overturned, for it was in his heart.

(F/Z Volume 3: Act 10, Part 5)

- Ah. I get it now. Gilles is a wraith because he's actually ハサン:

ジルの財政そのものは完全に破綻しており

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[Because I will preserve silly McJon Japanese jokes if I want. Probably to steal them for myself later]

-

"Prelati's Spellbook is a mana furnace that provides Caster with an inexhaustible supply of magical energy."

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- So Saber's 魔術炉心 is Magic Core or Prana Core, yet Prelati's spellbook was translated to Prana Core when it was only 魔術炉, without the heart. So my problem with it is that Kayneth also had Prana Furnaces.

I guess I always assumed from the translation that Prelati's spellbook was just Saber's core but with something other than a dragon, but now it's just a furnace.

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- /大魔術?or is like every one of those wave things a 大魔術?/

Each wave was equivalent to a Grand Ritual class multi-verse incantation that would require the magical energy of dozens of magi. Basically, summoning Cthulhu is like a super-grand-ritual that uses grand rituals as verses. Or something. I'm not really sure what a spell-like wave is supposed to be.

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Tamamo-no-Mae

Cursecraft

- Her magic system is cursecraft and damn near all her skills are titled "curse: whatever", you gotta think that just maybe that's related.

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- From the english PSP

Maleficum [EX]

The sacred rituals of the Dakini goddesses. The rituals confer the abilities to perform such actions as foretell the time and place of one's death and manipulate the hearts and minds of both men and woman. due to a number of very harsh lessons impressed on her in the past, Tamamo-no-mae no longer makes use of her still formidable skills in these areas.

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- Strange that your hazy recollection of what it said was more accurate than the translation, lol. Original is "あまり使いたがらない", which is more or less "seems like she doesn't really want to use it that much".

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- Lol, dat liberal translation.

▼呪術:EX

ダキニ天法。

地位や財産を得る法(男用)、権力者の寵愛を得る法(女用)など、権力を得る秘術や死期を悟る 法がある。

しかし過去さんざん懲りたのか、あまり使いたがらない。                                          

If you go by the Japanese, the Witchcraft EX thing is more like "brainwashing". In other words, seduction for woman, fake charisma for men.

That's probably the part she is avoiding, because she got burned by that in the past life.                 (Forum Source)        

- I think it's probably talking about the stuff outlined in the skill description, that she doesn't use. The general basis of "rearrange internal components for external effects" that it talks about in the keyword section sounds more like the foundation of her magecraft, though, I doubt she can just disregard it.

Also, the term Aksys translated as "Mantra" in her skill list was 呪層界, that "world of curses" thing that Black Sakura uses. The Japanese version is a lot more curse-happy than the English version.         

(Forum Source)

- Doormat Fox move list.

Curses, curses everywhere.

スキル名

MP

対象

効果

習得条件

呪相・炎天

30

敵に魔力ダメージ+対BREAKスタン

SP10

呪相・氷天

30

敵に魔力ダメージ+対ATTACKスタン

SP20

呪法・吸精

20

自身

自身のBREAKにMP吸収効果を付与

(与ダメージの10%回復:3ターン継続)

SP30

呪相・密天

30

敵に魔力貫通ダメージ+対GUARDスタン

(威力は炎天や氷天の75%程度)

炎天・氷天と違い、スタンしないことがある。

SP40

呪層・黒天洞

40

自身

その手で受ける被ダメ減少(約75%カット)

SKILL及びEXTRAを防御した場合MP吸収

(SKILLは40~50、EXTRAは100前後)

敏捷に関係無く相手より先に発動

SP55

呪層界・怨天祝祭

30

自身

次の手まで魔力が大幅に上昇(約2.5倍程度)

SP70

呪層界・怨天祝奉

60

自身

次の手まで魔力が大幅に上昇(約4倍程度)

呪層界・怨天祝祭から強化

レアエネミー5匹討伐後マイルーム会話

魂息吹

0

自動発動

戦闘終了時にMPが小回復(最大MPの10%回復)

SP80

常世咲き裂く大殺界

(ヒガンバナセッショウセキ)

80

敵に魔力ダメージ+猛毒 発動制限:HP30%未満

SP99

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Full Power

- EXTRAにおける玉藻の前はアマテラスから分かれた御魂であり、その正体は九尾の狐ではなく神の表情の一つとして扱われている。

また、彼女を英霊としてカテゴライズするのは大きな間違い。

玉藻の前の“良妻になりたい”という願いを実現させる為に英霊になったため、本来のスペックを発揮できずにいる。

悪霊、荒御魂として再現された場合、彼女は百の英雄すら返り討ちにする大化生へと変貌を遂げるだろう。

日本三大化生の一人の名は伊達ではない。

- また、彼女を英霊としてカテゴライズするのは大きな間違い。

(Forum Source)

- "It's a grave mistake to categorise her as a Heroic Spirit".

悪霊、荒御魂として再現された場合、彼女は百の英雄すら返り討ちにする大化生へと変貌を遂げるだろう。

"She can beat the crap out of 100 heroes when she is summoned as an Evil Spirit or Feral Spirit."

(Forum Source)

- Konjiki Hakumen

Golden Fur, White Face. The nine-tailed divine spirit we get a glimpse of in Casko's third SG. Deification of the sun. Amaterasu gone delinquent.

When Casko goes to nine-tails mode this is what she will......not be.

All this is is the distantly ancient but still existing original source of Casko.

When you're a divine spirit of this class, the time axis has almost no bearing on you.

Normally someone entering the mausoleum would be burnt to a cinder, but our Xavier, meeting our expectations like always, not only is not incinerated, but demonstrates his usual reckless bravery (stupid menu choices).

She would have been in a naked nine-tails variation of the naked apron, but the ethical barrier couldn't be breached so we made sure she wore formalwear.

Oh and if a person without dreams goes in, all he'll see in the mausoleum is a huge sun.

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On Gender

- “In that… and in many other things… gender has no influence on my dedication to my duty!”

Her voice rises to extraordinary levels, as if to emphasize her last statement.

Servants are theoretically superior to humans, being Legendary Souls and all, so I guess the differences between genders mean very little to them-

“To be honest, it is somewhat easier to have a male as a Master.

But! If the idea of doing certain… things… bothers you, I'll make everything better with my magic!

So just relax a little. You know, like you're taking a nice cruise through the Caribbean or something.”

(Fate/EXTRA - Week 1, Day 4)        

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Avenger

Third Magic and the Grail

"Avenger.

The heroic spirit that's about to take a living form through the power of the Holy Grail, a successful example of the Third Sorcery."

"…What? What was all that about sorceries not having to do with this? It does concern them."

"No. Avenger's materialization isn't sorcery carried out by the Holy Grail. From the start, it is a heroic spirit with that specific attribute.

It can take form within the Holy Grail because it's Avenger.

The Holy Grail merely summoned an avenger that can use the Third Sorcery, so it doesn't mean that the Great Holy Grail used the Third Sorcery."

"……? So in short, it's a monster that can materialize?

It's someone who can embody the Third Sorcery even if the Great Holy Grail doesn't?"

                                                  

"But why is he in the Holy Grail? He's just an ordinary person, right? Even if he's given a devil's name and treated like one, he's still just a human.

That wouldn't turn him into a monster capable of eating the entire town."

"…Yeah. Angra Manyu is human. He was just an ordinary man, but was forced to become a heroic spirit. So there wasn't any problem, originally."

…The Einzbern family summoned Angra Manyu in the third war.

But the summoned heroic spirit was weak.

The anti-hero was defeated in the early stage of the war, and the Holy Grail took him in. The Master of Einzbern grieved how this ordinary human could be a devil that destroys the human world."

…Yes. The heroic spirit was merely human.

A human that cursed the world.

A human who everyone wanted to represent their evil.

…So he had no power. He was merely constructed by the people around him.

But everything reversed the instant he was taken in by the Holy Grail."

The Holy Grail grants wishes.

When defeated, Servants are reduced to raw magical energy and are taken in by the Holy Grail to await their release. They lose their individual personalities and stay in the Holy Grail as an omnipotent power.

But Angra Manyu was different. He was a heroic spirit that others wished for. He was intended to be evil, regardless of his personality."

" ---- No way. Could he …"

"Yes. The Holy Grail grants every wish.

He was a mere human, but wasn't treated as one. So he was an embodiment of people's wishes.

So ---- the instant Angra Manyu was taken in by the Holy Grail, the Holy Grail accepted a wish.

An existence that should not be.

The heroic spirit constructed from people's selfish wishes was finally given flesh within the wish-granting Holy Grail.

…Five hundred years under the Makiri and a thousand under the Einzbern are nothing.

After all, he's an ideal human that has been wished for since the age of gods, over two thousand years ago.

That's what that shadow is. It finally obtained form as a heroic spirit.

Angra Manyu used Servants' colorless magical energy to embody all evils of the world.

Wanting only to be evil.

It slowly matured with an ability to curse all six billion people."

"--- Then what? The contents of the Holy Grail have already been tainted by him? The wish the Holy Grail grants is already determined, and the fourth war took place only to store up the magical energy needed to give him form?"

[Heaven’s Feel, Day 15, Truth -- Angra Mainyu]                                 

        

Basically comes down to a ridiculous convergence of factors, where Avenger is evil even without a personality allowing it to taint the colorless energy of the grail, and also his very existence is that of a "wish" meaning that the grail's function was set as soon as he was taken in, and also he's a monster that uses the third magic so he can materialize himself even though the Grail can't.

(Forum Source)

- In short, Avenger/Angra Mainyu/"All the World's Evil" is a wish, and the Grail is a wish-granting machine. Avenger is a evil spirit/curse that wants a form (the "attribute" Ilya was talking about), and the Grail grants it a form. In the end, you get the result of the Third, without actually doing the Third.

The whole "Avenger using the Third" doesn't mean "Avenger casts the Third". It means Avenger hijacks the Grail and gives itself form, achieving a result comparable to "Avenger casts the Third".

(Forum Source)

Tawrich and Zarich

So... this is the origin of Avenger's weapons

user posted image

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kpinga 

Verg Avesta

Seika: I know the question of “what does ‘verg’ mean?” has come up not infrequently. I think the most plausible answer’s been pulled up before, but I thought I’d try to source it reasonably and put it down somewhere a bit more permanent so it’s not forgotten.

Zazaki Wikipedia entry: Canis Lupus given the name Verg

A grammar for the Zazaki language uses ‘verg’ as an example for accidence and translates it as ‘wolf’: see page 52ff

Zaza internet poster: ‘Just because I say "verg" (for "wolf")’

Kurdish internet poster:  ‘Persian : Kurdish : Zazakî : English

    gorg : gûr/gûrg/werg : verg : wolf

In short, ‘verg’ is ‘wolf’ in Zazaki, a language spoken fairly close to the region where Zoroastrianism (of which the Avesta is the holy text collection) sprang up and was dominant. And Angra Mainyu is, of course, Zoroastrian in origin.

Anyone who happened to study the old Avestan language might be able to tell us if Nasu somehow happened upon an academic work which told him that Avestan used ‘verg’ for ‘wolf’, or whether he just settled for the best he could get.

(An alternative possibility has been given by arai: that it’s meant to approximate ‘void’ in context and that Nasu has failed with spelling, as with ‘Erukidu’ for ‘Enkidu’. He also brought up the Old Norse Vargr for wolf and related it to the wolf-like appearance of the HA mukuro. As both languages are probably PIE descendents, perhaps they are from the same root? In any case, I’d rather derive it immediately from the Iranian sub-group than the Germanic)

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Servant Skills

[See also Runes and Magic Resistance, in Magecraft]

Battle Continuation         

Looks to me like Lancer's is mostly chatting about Lancer, while Herc's talks about both the skill itself and Hercules. I bolster this argument with the fact that both Lancer's and Hercules' BC status screens from the actual game mention that they'll survive so long as they don't take a definitely mortal wound, in addition to being able to fight on the verge of death. Which is just the two conditions laid out in Hercules' CM3 BC description rephrased slightly.

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- The reason I thought they were different is that, the example given to illustrate Lancer's Battle Continuation highlight it as sort of "an extension of his never-give-up" character. He will go on even if you bust his head up.

Hercules' is more "survival expert", and the example given illustrates that.

Both versions of the skill allow the user to go on, but the mechanisms seem different.

O, by "example" I mean the last sentence in each translation. Those were stand alone in the book, accompanied by pictures used to illustrate when the said skill was at work in the story.

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- Mechanisms different, effect exactly the same, is my claim.

The original game actually communicates that quite well.

(Forum Source)

- Like the Battle Continuation example -- Lancer's screen calls it "being a bad loser", while Berserker's screen calls it a "survival ability". That distinction has been there since the original game.

(Forum Source)

- That is legit. You win then,

(Forum Source)

[The two entries are now up on the CM3 wiki.]

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Eye(s) of the Mind

Q. Is the reason why one attack not working on Berserker again because of his Noble Phantasm or because he can counter it on his own?

A: The answer is both his body resistance and his technique.

God Hand has the ability to develop body resistance after learning damage that had been taken once.

Berserker himself also has the skill of seeing through an attack taken once (Eye of the Mind), but since he's mad enhanced, his swordsmanship techniques are sealed so he can only rely on God Hand's power.

(Fuyuki)

- バーサーカーに一度行った攻撃が二度と通じないのは

宝具の能力に由来するものなのか、見切ることができるからなのか?

肉体耐性と技術の両面だという話。

ゴッドハンドには一度受けたダメージを学習したのちそれへの耐性を肉体に付加する能力があるとのこと。

バーサーカー自身も一度見た攻撃を見破るスキルを持っているそうですが狂化しているため、その「剣士としての技術」は封印されているのでゴッドハンドの能力のみに頼っているとか。

First off, labeling the skill that lets him see through an attack taken once as False Mind's Eye was arai speculation, even though it's almost certainly right. Second, the distinction between "skill" and "technique" in the translation is the key point, and if you don't pay attention to that the meaning goes to hell. Basically, every time he uses "technique" it's talking about sword skills, fighting ability, etc., while "skill" refers to the actual abilities listed in the profile.

So the two factors as to why an attack won't work on him twice are "God Hand" and "Sword Techniques".

God Hand negates damage after receiving it once.

And then, although he also has a Skill that lets him see through attacks he's taken once, because of Mad Enhancement his "Sword Techniques" are sealed and he can only rely on God Hand's power.

Basically, just keep in mind that "Skill" and "Techniques" are totally different and separate things while you read and it should make more sense, maybe? The techniques are what's sealed, not the skill.

EDIT: For this interview, at least.

EDIT2: And also, despite the similar structure, this is more of a line by line interpretation and not a translation, so don't go quoting it dammit.

[I will quote you if I want to, mate. :p (Mind, I’ll also leave that note hanging around so people don’t start taking it as direct word of Nasu).]

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- The Eye of the Mind False is a pretty solid speculation. Nasu used "スキル" instead of the typical "技量" or "能力". He's pretty much saying "you know, THAT ONE, THE ONE THAT LETS BERSERKER PERCEIVE SHIT".

But I do agree the mentioning of the sword technique is about "because Hercules is crazy, he can't do anything even if he sees through the opponent's technique".                                         (Forum Source)        

- Q 心眼スキルの「真」と「偽」の違いってなんですか?

A 「真」とは、訓練によって得た洞察力、考察力。人間が持てる“心眼”という技術があるとしたら、それ本来の意味は第六感などではなく積み重ねた経験によるものだろう、ということから「真」と表記しています。

「偽」というのはその逆。訓練、経験では辿り着けない、第六感的なセンスを用いた“状況把握、状況突破”。本来なら前者が「偽」で後者が「真」になるのでしょうが、そこはそれ、わざわざ逆扱いした意図を汲みとってもらえれば、と。

Q What is the difference between Eye of the Mind True and False?

A "True" is the insight and perception gained through training. If a human were to have the "Eye of the Mind" skill, its true mechanism of action then is not sixth sense but accumulation of experience. As a result, it is designated as "True".

"False" of course is the opposite. It is the "perception and resolution of the current situation" through the sixth sense. "False" is something that can never be achieved through training or experience. Really, the former should be "False" and the later should be "True". However, I hope you can discern my intention in this reversal.

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Eternal Arms Mastery

/Uh, yeah, nowhere does it say that being the best of your era is the requirement for possessing the skill, only that someone with such a high Rank in it would be said to be the best in his/her era (and that's not even really true in Lancelot's case 'cuz people in his era didn't go around saying he was the greatest of the knights)./

一つの時代で無双を誇るまでに到達した武芸の手練。

The grammatical construction here is closest to something like "this car model boasts a high resale value" or "an event that boasts a long history". As in "it's true and something to be proud of" moreso than "it's something people say about it". It's just awkward to say "to the point of boasting matchlessness" in English. You don't actually have to be famous for fighting well under mental hindrances, clearly, because like you noted Lancelot wasn't.

The first part is what the skill is: "mastership of fighting to the point of boasting matchlessness in an era". The second part is what that entails: complete merging of mind, body, and technique = level of resistance to mental hindrances for given skill rank.

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Disengage

/For instance, "disengage." It just sounds like the ability to retreat, but I'm not sure why it's not something anyone can just do normally. It says "returning battle conditions to what they were at the beginning of the match." How the heck does that work. /

 "仕切り直し" means "getting back to square one". It just means no matter how heated the melee or how tangled Lancer was with his opponent, he can always leap out and re-engage.

It's basically the explanation Nasu offered for Lancer's feat of full-scouting and crossing blades with every single Servant of the Fifth War and living.                                                 

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Rider of the Storm

/Riding for ships is Riding.

Voyager of the Storm is Charisma + Military Tactics for ships./

You got Aksys'd

                                                  

English Matrix        

Rider on the Storm [A+]

Compels those who serve her to do as she commands.

                                         

Japanese Matrix

嵐の航海者[A+]

船と認識されるものを駆る才能。

The english is missing this really big chunk.

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- /How would you translate it?/

Talent that lets one drive something recognized as a boat.

Replace drive with word that sounds more boat-y like and has a more forceful connotation. Inno I'm not rich enough to sail.                                                 

(Forum Source)

[To be clear, this is not the entirety of the Japanese Matrix that You is reproducing, just the bit where Aksys skipped a chunk of the meaning about it letting Drake sail too.]

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Pioneer of the Stars/Explorer of the Planet

It is a skill for explorers. The skill is called "Explorer of the Planet", and it makes all your journeys and voyages possible.

(Forum Source)

[The point here is that 星の開拓者 better lends itself to ‘explorer of the planet’. 星, whilst most often used for stars, means any celestial body, including planets. Once you’ve sorted that out, explorer makes slightly more sense as a translation for 開拓者 too.]

- その時代の記述力ではあと一歩たりない難行を、人間力だけで乗り越える力。それはひとにぎりの天才が特つ「 誇り」を燃やし尽くす力でもある。

Hot blooded shounen powers.

Still impressive though.

It is the power to overcome the era's limitations with only human power.

(Forum Source; Extra Materials)

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Divinity

[Aksys translation of the Fate/Extra skill]

-  Well that sure is... creative.

【神性[B]】

神霊適性を持つかどうか。

高いほどより物質的な神霊との混血とされる。

粛清防御と呼ばれる特殊な防御値を

ランク分だけ削減する効果もある。

菩提樹の悟り、信仰の加護、といったスキルを打ち破る。

Basically talking about how the more ranks you have in Divinity, the more you reduce the effectiveness of other people's "purge resistance", breaking through skills like enlightenment or divine protection of faith.         

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- It's talking about "Enlightenment of the Sacred Fig" as one of the skills that Divinity breaks through, alongside "Divine Protection of Faith". Basically just expanding the pool of stuff Demigods can fuck up to include Buddhas instead of just Christians.                                                 

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- Mmm, well, it negates the special type of defence in proportion to the rank of Divinity.

So I think it would be like Buddha has 150% damage resistance, and B rank Divinity gives like 100% piercing. Cu now can Gae Bolg Buddha to death even though Ryougi couldn't.

神霊適性を持つかどうか。

高いほどより物質的な神霊との混血とされる。

粛清防御と呼ばれる特殊な防御値をランク分だけ削減する効果もある。

菩堤樹の悟り、信仰の加護、といったスキルを打ち破る。

It doesn't say Divinity kills Buddha, but it "pierces revelations acquired under a fig tree". It's pretty much saying Buddha.

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Mad Enhancement

Either Master or Servant (e.g. Lancelot) can turn it on. Don't know about turning it off once it is on though.

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- Zero Material described that Lancelot chose to go into Mad Enhancement.

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- 通常時の狂化の恩恵を受けない。その代わり、正常な思考力を保つ。ダメージを負うごとに幸運判定を行い、失 敗すると魔力と幸運を除くステータスが上昇し、暴走する。この際、全身が真っ赤になる。

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[Japanese for Kintoki’s E-rank Mad Enhancement. Retains normal thought and doesn’t get the normal ME bonus. If he takes damage, he has to pass a luck check or go mad. In that case, he gets an extra rank in all parameters except Magic and Luck, and his body turns red.]

[See also the changes/clarifications in ME from the original F/SN to Réalta Nua.]

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Imperial Privilege

/"With A rank or above, alteration of the corpus (Divinity etc) was possible."

Was curious about this bit of IP, As in what does it mean? I assume it's a reference to Emperor = God but not sure./

It means that skills that are purely physical qualities in nature, like divinity, can also be acquired.

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Divinely Gifted Wisdom

 I would think skill granting to other peeps isn't [instant]. However if he's using it on himself it sounds like it is.

英雄独自のものを除く、ほぼ全てのスキルにB~Aランクの習熟度を発揮できる。

Other than hero-specific skills, almost all skills can be utilized with B~A proficiency.

Sounds like he already has them and is just showing them off. But you never know.                 (Forum Source)

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Potnia Theron

So I just realized that Potnia Theron showed up as one of Manaka's skills/NPs in the hanafuda game that came with the Vita Realta Nua.

Manaka's was

ポトニア・テローン

怪獣王女

as compared to BB's

ポトニア・テローン

百獣母胎

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Noble Phantasms

Proto-NPs and their development

-The original weapons are not just lumps of steel, they have their own concepts. Striking Death Flight is not an "original feat" of Lancer's, so any chump picking up Gilgamesh's proto-Gae Bolg will fire something like Striking Death Flight.

The proto-types won't be able to recreate feats they achieved in the hands of later day heroes, they will only be able to do "what they are made to do".

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-Well, it is not enough with just "Mcjon01 did something totally awesome with Gae Bolg".

It has to be "Mcjon01 did something totally awesome with Gae Bolg, food wrote a ballad about the feat, the whole Internet started to sung about the ballad and Mcjon01's feat".

Then maybe Mcjon's trick with Gae Bolg can become an actual Noble Phantasm.

The ultimate purpose of NP is to recreate the feat in tales and legends.

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-The innate curse is "wounds don't heal".

Piercing Death Thorn is all Lancer. Either his skill as a sorcerer allowed him to enchant Gae Bolg with the heart-seeking curse, or he hit the heart every single time when he was alive, the feat sublimed into the curse it is now.

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- "I have the original models of all the Noble Phantasms. But they are all nameless, and I am not their only possessor."

A cylindrical sword.

The sword is made of three parts, and each part is turning slowly in different directions.

It looks like a rock drill to pierce through a hard surface.

"But this is different. This sword is truly a sword that only the king of heroes possesses.

--- It has no name, so I just call it Ea."

(Fate, Day 14, Oldest King)

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Noble Phantasm Numbers

"Answer me, Archer…! A heroic spirit can only have one Noble Phantasm. No, some have more, but two should be the limit.”

(Fate, Day 14, Oldest King)

- “Yes, as a general rule, one hero can only hold one Noble Phantasm.”

(Fate, Day 4, Contract Established)

[Exceptions are presumably due to Angra Manyu’s corruption, particularly in the case of summoning Wraiths, Counter Guardians, ‘living’ people or monsters in place of true Heroic Spirits. Gilgamesh could arguably be an exception, but the emphasis on his ‘owner’ status, his own words in the Oldest King scene (and the status screen, though one can debate that on the grounds of practicality for Nasu) lead me to believe that Gate of Babylon functions as one of his two Noble Phantasms. It just incidentally happens to shoot prototypes of other Noble Phantams.

Alternatively, both Rin and Saber are ignorant of the realities of the Holy Grail ritual. Perseus is an obvious counterpoint (would he have all those weapons after his death? - Prototype indicates so), and Lancelot arguably so. Meh.]

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Noble Phantasm Classifications

- I think now would be a good time to point out that, while "Anti-Personnel" is probably the most succinct catch-all translation of the NP class, the actual Japanese means something more along the lines of "targets one person". It doesn't have to be an enemy, and Nasu even clarifies in CM3 that it basically means anything that targets the user or just one enemy. Incidentally, "support" isn't even a class at all, which probably explains why there aren't any NPs classified that way. :P

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- There's a difference between Maximum Targets (1-1000 etc.) and the Type of NP (Anti-Unit, Anti-World, etc.) it is. Which is why they are in different sections.

[Can target vs. suited to target or something like that]

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- "Anti-personnel Noble Phantasm…? It means what it says. My 'Invisible Air' and Lancer's Gae Bolg are only weapons to defeat people.

No matter how strong the magical energy or curse it wields, it does not go beyond the level of defeating other beings."

...

But that is only in the case of man versus man.

There would be no difference in speed, even if you used an invisible sword to chop wood.

Lancer's Gae Bolg is the same.

Even with a cursed lance that will strike the heart, if the opponent is a rock or a house, it is no more than a strong lance.

"…I see, so that's why it's an anti-personnel Noble Phantasm.

Then Rider's Noble Phantasm is --- "

"I would say that it's an anti-army Noble Phantasm. Come to think of it, I heard from my father that there are Noble Phantasms specialized against others, and Noble Phantasms specialized against armies."

"To put it simply, the anti-personnel Noble Phantasms are guns with unlimited ammo, and the anti-army Noble Phantasms are one-time missiles.

Rider's Noble Phantasm is powerful, but it's not a continuous Noble Phantasm like Saber's sword, which is always invisible."

(Fate, Day 10, Strategy Meeting)

- Anti-Castle Noble Phantasms

Powerful Noble Phantasms that can even blow away solid fortified structures. The difference between Anti-Personnel Noble Phantasms and Anti-Army Noble Phantasms is the variation in area of effect, but Anti-Castle Noble Phantasms distinguishes from other categories by the great difference in power. In the Fourth and Fifth Holy Grail Wars, only Altria's Excalibur has been confirmed to be Anti-Castle.

(Forum Source)

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Limitation By Class?

I thought they were sealed because he was a Lancer. If he was summoned as Saber it could be a different story

(Forum Source)

- Servant Class does not seal anything, except if you are Berserker Class.

(Forum Source)

-  The "main" Noble Phantasms will change, but the other Noble Phantasms should still be there.

The only reason a Heroic Spirit does not come with his full load-out would be "not enough fame", or God-forbid, "crappy Master".

Lu Bu and Karna are actually good examples. If you summon them into different Classes, their Noble Phantasm will change slightly in function, but remain the very same Noble Phantasms.

(Forum Source)

- The point is, Classes do not seal Noble Phantasms. Under ideal conditions, a Servant who is capable of being summoned into multiple Classes will have identical load-out, with status variations as per Class Containers.

If Karna had a chariot, he will have the chariot in whatever Class he is summoned into. If he does not, it is not because the load-out is different, but due to external factors.

(Forum Source)

[As it turns out, this was basically an argument in which one side was saying, “If circumstances aren’t ideal, Noble Phantasms may be inaccessible, and the lost NPs will depend on class”, and the other was saying, “If circumstances aren’t ideal, Noble Phantasms may be inaccessible, and the lost NPs will depend on class.”]

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Aias' Capabilities         

ロー·アイアス【宝具】

“織天覆う七つの円環”。

ギリシャ神話における一大戦争、トロイア戦争において使用された英雄アイアスの盾。

青銅の盾に七枚の牛皮を重ねた盾で、何人たりとも防げなかったという、トロイアの大英雄ヘクトールの投槍を 防いだ一品。

(このおり、六枚の牛皮を貫かれたが、七枚目で防ぎさった)

以後、投擲兵器に対しては絶対の防御力を誇る“概念武装"として広まり、その存在を昇華した。

アーチャーが唯一得意とする防御用の兵装。

凛ルートラスト、士郎の呪文詠唱を守ったロー·アイアスは、士郎が投影したものではなく、遠くから観戦して いたアーチャーが作り上げたもの。

"投擲兵器" (thrown weapons) rather than "飛び道具" (general projectile weapons) according to Side Materials, which narrows the scope of the defense by a lot.

(Forum Source)

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Argon Coin         

金羊の皮【宝具】

アルゴンコイン。

コルキスの秘宝で、とっても高価。

これ自体にさしたる能力はないのだが、なぜか地に放ると竜が現れるという逸話がある。

かつて金羊の皮を守っていた竜が、今では金羊の皮に呼ばれるものに成り代わってしまったらしい 。

何かの風刺っぽい話ではある。

キャスターには竜召喚技能がないので竜は呼べない。

某第七聖典よろしく、へンな精霊が宿っている。

Golden Fleece (Noble Phantasm)

Argon Coin.

As the hidden treasure of Colchis, it's very valuable.

Though there's nothing special about the fleece itself, for some reason there's an anecdote that a dragon will appear if you throw it on the ground.

It seems that at some point, people mixed up the Golden Fleece with the dragon that used to guard it.

The story feels a bit like some kind of satire.

Since Caster doesn't have the ability to summon dragons, she can't summon the dragon.

Also, there's a strange spirit living in it, just like a certain Seventh Scripture.

(Forum Source)

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Super Kanshō and Bakuya – serious and non-serious, with Zunbararin!         

They will be legitimate Noble Phantasms.

(立派な宝具です。) <- serious here

They will be powerful strong anti-monster Noble Phantasms.

(対怪異専用の強力な宝具として活躍したでしょう。) <- still serious

Rider's ultimate form--Gorgon Lv100, or the extra-dimensional evil god summoned by Gilles, will all be cut down in a single strike.

(ライダーの最終神話形態ゴルゴーンLV100も、ジルが召喚した異界の邪神も真っ向からズンバラリン。)

(Forum Source)

[ズンバラリン (zunbararin) is a silly sort of sound effect from the old Ninja Hattori-kun series, hence the deduction that Nasu's joking, in addition to the weirdness of K&B being that powered up. Check out the live-action adaptation OP, which uses it quite a lot.]

- They are splendid Noble Phantasms.

(立派な宝具です。)

(Forum Source)

- Lol, my bad, I chose "legitimate" because I wanted to express the "worthy/positive" connotation of 立派.

You are reading it as implicating K&B are not legitimate.

(Forum Source)

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Gram (and Excalibur)

Well, the word is "匹敵", as in "Gram is the strongest Demonic Blade that can rival the strongest Holy Sword". Although, I think "匹敵" carries more complex meanings than just simply say "equal". But hey, who cares about complex meanings.

(Forum Source)

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What Makes A Servant?

Qualifying as a Heroic Spirit

        

[My original post about these qualifications included the summation at the end and the sources at the start; for ease of reading in this format and simple convenience, I here give my summation at the beginning and then offer the sources which evidence it.]        

Qualifications:

Be someone/thing famous in which people have faith.

Be from one hundred years ago at minimum. (Relative/absolute?)

Alter the course of fate.

Perform a deed beyond human ability. (Including change fate?)

Be singular and inimitable; for example, do not use modern weapons which anyone can become an expert with.

Have a soul to be removed from the reincarnation cycle. A machine or an animal is fine, as long as it has a soul.

Saving the world is no longer sufficient as a qualification.

(Forum Source)                                                

- Myth, legend, fable, history ...

Fiction or not, the "superhuman beings" who gained concrete existence in folklore are what we call heroes.

A hero that becomes eternal in people's minds is no longer human after their death, and is promoted to another form of existence.

Humans who bring about miracles, save people, and achieve great deeds, are called heroes even after their death.

After being so called, they are promoted to heroic spirits after their death and become guardians of humanity.

It doesn't matter whether these people existed in reality or only in stories.

It is people's minds that create a hero.

People's wishes that "this is how things should be" give them form and set them up as real.

Authenticity does not matter.

They can have form as long as they have fame as a legend and people have faith.

(Prologue; Day 3)

- And with the passing of years ignored, the heroic spirits are summoned. The most recent from a hundred years ago, the oldest from the ancient days.

(Prologue; Day 3)

- "Haven't you been taught that any humans, animals, or machines that leave any great achievements behind get removed from the ring of reincarnation and sublimate into beings of higher rank?

Heroes are that sort of beings.

To put it simply, they have been worshipped and made into artificial gods."

(Fate; Day 3; Tohsaka Rin (II))

- After that, he changed as though possessed by something and saved people who could not normally be saved.

…Oh, so this must be how he became a "heroic spirit".

…Seeing it this way, it's nothing much.

I bet the people he saved were not even in the hundreds.

He cannot even be called a "hero" with such a number, nor would he be promoted to a "heroic spirit".

But the number isn't important.

The qualification of a hero, one who surpasses humans, is to be able to save those that are fated to die.

It is an alteration of fate.

It does not matter if he does not have power as a hero, as long as he averted a disaster that could not be changed, however small in scope.

(UBW; Day 9; A story of a knight)

- "We Servants are heroic spirits.

We each have won fame during our lives or have accomplished some great deed beyond human ability.

Whatever the means, we are beings that have reached the rank of gods with our own strength."

That doesn't even need to be said.

Heroic spirits are heroes that had supernatural abilities while they were alive, whose fame was such that they were promoted into the ranks of spirits after death instead of becoming mere ghosts.

(Heaven's Feel; Day 4; Saber explains the rules)

- It is impossible for them to become real Heroic Spirits, as Heroic Spirits are Heroes with names, while assassins are inherently anonymous ("英霊とは名を残した英雄であり、暗殺者には名などない”). For a single Hassan, by struggling to leave a mark in history as an individual rather than Hassan, he already strayed from the the Assassin's Creed of "nobody" ("何者でもない").

[trans. appears to roughly be 'A Heroic Spirit is a hero who has left a name – an assassin is one who has not']

(Forum Source; CMIII)

- Receivers who can accept the Opposing Power comprised of the whole of the dominant race's will, humans with special channels like that are few and far between. History calls them heroes and praises them.

But in modern times that title isn't being used. Civilisations progressed to the point where it has become quite simple for humanity to destroy itself. If some company's chairman invested all his money into expanding the amount of logging in the Amazon rainforest, the world could end in a year. See, the Earth is in danger wherever and whenever. There are countless numbers of people who are being incited by the Opposing Power that save the planet without anyone knowing it. There is one hero per age. Such a thing as saving the world is no longer enough to get you called a hero.

(Spiral Paradox, Chapter 11)

- Regarding animals, we have Bucephalus becoming a HS and Bayard as a non-canon example of an animal crystallizing as a NP, so maybe that's what Rin means. Or maybe she means ascension up the rank of Phantasmal Species/Magical Beasts or something.

(Forum Source)

- Q アーチャーのように時間軸に関係なく召喚される英霊がいるならば、近代兵器で身を包んだ未来の戦士なんかもサーヴァントとして召喚されることがあるんでしょうか?

A 近代兵器は強力ですが、近代兵器をメインとする者は英霊のカテゴリーには含まれづらいです。近代兵器の最たる利点は“鍛えれば誰でも使える”という事。ですが、そうであるが故に“たったひとりの存在”にはなりづらい。それは顔のない英雄です。近代兵器に身を包んだ英雄がいたとするなら、英霊として扱われるのは“鍛えれば誰でもなれるエキスパート”たる所有者ではなく、“その時代でもっとも優れた兵器”そのものが英霊として祭りあげられるのでは、と。その場合、兵器そのものに魂が宿らなくてはならないのですが。

Q: If there are Heroic Spirits like Archer, who was summoned independent of time axis, is it possible for warriors from the future, who are loaded with modern weapons, to be summoned as Servants?

A: Although modern weapons are powerful, it is difficult for the users of modern weapons to be classified as Heroic Spirits. The advantage of modern weapons is "anyone can use them as long as they were trained", thus it is difficult for the user to become a Heroic Spirit, whose definition is "the one and only". The users of modern weapons are faceless heroes. If there are indeed heroes who are loaded with modern weapons, the users will not become Heroic Spirits, as they are merely "experts anyone can achieve through sufficient training". The actual Heroic Spirits being worshiped will be the "greatest weapon of that era". However, for the weapon to become a Heroic Spirit in this case, it must harbour a soul. (Note: e.g. bind a soul to a sword)

(Forum Source)

[Also partly translated, with similar meaning, here.]

- It does preclude owners, as it calls the hypothetical future warrior loaded with modern weapons the "owner", who cannot become a Heroic Spirit. I left it out because the sentence would be super long and confusing if I threw everything in there.

"近代兵器に身を包んだ英雄がいたとするなら、英霊として扱われるのは“鍛えれば誰でもなれるエキスパート ”たる所有者ではなく、“その時代でもっとも優れた兵器”そのものが英霊として祭りあげられるのでは、と"

Basically, it is "if your claim to fame is modern weapon, you are not worthy to be a Heroic Spirit".

(Forum Source)

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‘Fake’ Heroes         

- Myth, legend, fable, history ...

Fiction or not, the "superhuman beings" who gained concrete existence in folklore are what we call heroes.

...

It doesn't matter whether these people existed in reality or only in stories.

It is people's minds that create a hero.

People's wishes that "this is how things should be" give them form and set them up as real.

Authenticity does not matter.

They can have form as long as they have fame as a legend and people have faith.

(Prologue; Day 3)

- 英霊には、伝説上のもの、実在したもの、観測され なかったものがおり、信仰が薄いものは“守護者”という大きな分類に含まれ、意思のない“抑止 力"として行 使される。本編に登場する英霊の中で“守護者"として機能している者はアーチャーのみ。 他の英霊たちは神性が高かったり、人間側ではなく星よりの存在になっている為、守護者に取り込まれずに済ん でいる。

"Among Heroic Spirits, there are ones who are legendary, ones who actually existed, as well as ones who were not actually observed nor recorded. Those who are seldom worshiped fall into the broad category of 'Guardians'. They are used as a "Counter Force" without a will.

[Side Material]

(Forum Source)

- In the Fifth War, Hasan Sabaha was a hero that actually existed, and Herakles and Medusa are ones of legends.

[CMIII - Birth of Heroic Spirits]

- The problem with Kojiro is more complicated.

If you look at the ye olde Fate Side Material, Type Moon already made margins for imaginary heroes.

Nasu explained in the CM2 interview that he wanted Assassin to reflect the changes that have occurred between the conception of Fate and Fate/Stay Night. For Hercules, even if he is imaginary, at least we are certain there is one Hercules. Nasu apparently found through his own research that, Kojiro may have existed, and he may have not, and there may have been even three separated Kojiros. Even the legends are not at all in concord.                                                 

(Forum Source)

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Easterners Need Not Apply

(Zero Material)

虚淵:キャスターがあまりに苦しすぎて、中国の仙人とかにしょうこな、と相談したんですが。そこで西洋縛り、というルールを聞いたので。

奈須:仙人は強すぎる、というのもあるしなー。

Urobuchi: I was having too much trouble thinking of a Caster, so I asked if I could use a Chinese Xian or something. That's how I learned the "Western only" rule.

Nasu: Plus Xian would be too strong.

(World Material FAQ)

Q:日本が舞台にも関わらず、日本産の英霊が少ないのなぜでしょうか?これは“聖杯”という概念が西洋(キリスト教)によるものだからでしょうか?

A:その通りです。

Q: Why are there few Japanese heroic spirits despite the setting being in Japan? Is it because the concept of a "Holy Grail" is Western (Christian)?

A: That's right.

(TM Ace 4)

奈須:「エクストラ」の聖杯戦争には、東洋の英雄がサーヴァントとして召喚されています。禁じ手、解禁です。

――本当ですか!? イレギュラーな存在は、アサシンの佐々木小次郎だけだったはずでは……?

奈 須:「Fate/stay night」の聖杯戦争における召喚システムは、西洋の魔術世界でつくられたものだから、西洋の英霊しか召喚できないようになっているんです。でも、「エ クストラ」は世界そのものがイレギュラーだし、聖杯戦争のシステム自体がこれまでとは異なるので、東洋の英霊もアリにしようということになりました。

Nasu: In EXTRA's Grail War, Eastern heroes can be summoned as Servants. The ban is removed.

----Really?! Wasn't Assassin Sasaki Kojirou the only irregular existence...?

Nasu: The summoning system of Fate/stay night's Grail War was created in the world of Western magi, so it can only summon Western heroic spirits. But EXTRA's world itself is irregular, and the Grail War system is different from the previous ones, so Eastern heroic spirits are possible too.

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Class Concepts

Archer

Heroic Spirit of the bow. A type of Servant that has low basic parameters, but makes up for it with Skills and Noble Phantasms.

Assassin

Heroic Spirit of assassinations. Unlike the other classes, the Assassin class is only ever supposed to be one particular Heroic Spirit.

Berserker

Heroic Spirit of berserker rage. A type of Servant that specializes in "going insane" and destroying things, regardless of their basic parameters.

Caster

Heroic Spirit of spells and sorcery. They are a class that specializes in the MGI stat, and are generally considered to be the weakest Servant.

Lancer

Heroic Spirit of the lance. Requires supreme agility, as well as excellent close combat skills. Though they tend to be less flashy than the other classes, they are a very reliable type of Servant.

Rider

Heroic Spirit of the mount. A type of Servant that requires high maneuverability, and tends to possess strong Noble Phantasms.

Saber

Heroic Spirit of the sword. A type of Servant that requires above average abilities in every basic parameter except for MGI.

(McJon01’s Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material)

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Base Servant Parameters         

(Forum Source)

[Stats, clockwise from top, are Strength; Endurance; Agility; Luck; Magic.

Some quick and fun aggregations based on E=10 if you can't be arsed to do it yourself:

Archer: 110

Rider: 120

Assassin: 130

Berserker: 90 (140 with B-rank ME)

Caster: 140

Lancer: 150

Saber: 180]

- Those aren't minimum requirements, they're the basic abilities of the Servant classes themselves with Heroic Spirits totally taken out of the picture. Then those stats are modified by the individual abilities of the Heroic Spirit, and then that result is modified by Master power/compatibility/lifestyle and whatever fame bonuses are available in the region. And that's the final stats we see, seems pretty obvious why they'd be radically different than those charts. They're mostly useful for indicating the relative strengths and weaknesses of the different classes in comparison to each other, it's not an absolute guide.

(Forum Source)

- Even the most powerful heroic spirits may have a hard time depending on the class they are assigned to.

(Prologue, Day 3)

[Probably partly stats, partly an enforced combat style: Herakles is supposedly more comfortable as an Archer, for example. Weapons, techniques, skills and possessions might also be sealed away depending on class – again, see Herakles' Nine Lives and Bravery]

- The magazine says the container is where you start from (base value), and the Hero you shove in adds whatever bonus he brings.

(Forum Source)

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Parameter Definitions

筋力: 肉体的な力の強さ

Strength: Bodily might in terms of power.

耐久: ダメージにどれだけ耐えられるか.

Endurance: How much damage one can withstand.

敏捷: 素早さ, 反応の早さ

Agility: quickness, speed of reaction.

魔力: どれだけの魔力を扱えるか

Magical Power: How much prana/magical power can be handled.

幸運: 運のよさ

Good luck: The quality of one's luck.

宝具: 所有する宝具の強さ

Noble Phantasm: The strength of the Noble Phantasm one owns.

(Forum Source)

[A Seika trans. from CM3, so doubly unreliable.]

- CM3

例えば“敏捷:A”、“幸運:E”のメドゥーサは、動きが素早いが極端に運が悪いということが 分かる。

For example Medusa with "Agility: A," "Luck: E" can be seen as fast moving but extremely unlucky.

CM3

場合によっては“敏捷:C”のアルトリアが“敏捷:A”のクー・フーリンより素早く動くこともあり得るだろ う。

Depending on the situation it seems that it is possible that "Agility: C" Artoria moves faster than "Agility: A" Cu Chulainn.

(Forum Source)

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Variation in Servant Classes         

"クラス分けされているのは同じ特色の英霊がかぶらないようにした配置かと。"

The reply implies after the Heroic Spirits are chosen, the Grail will try its best to "mix things up". The Heroic Spirits are chosen first, then they are squished into containers.

It's kind of like in the Fourth, both Kayneth and Emiya try to pull Sabre, but Kayneth "lost".

[In reply to this question from the CM3 Q&A:

Q: If there were more than seven classes of Servants, is there a reason the classes of Saber, Lancer, Archer, Rider, Caster, Assassin, and Berserker that participated in the Fifth Holy Grail War were chosen?

A: This is basic line-up. The class distinctions exist so that Heroic Spirits with similar characteristics won't conflict with each other. e.g. if two swordsmen are chosen, only one will be summoned as a Saber]

(Forum Source)

- There is a change in one or two of the classes every Holy Grail War, but we have a basic lineup this time.

(Fate, Day 4, Contract Established)

- The Holy Grail has furnished "classes" so that the heroic spirits may take form more easily, and it only summons the heroic spirits that match these classes.

(Prologue, Day 3)

[Not only do the classes act to distinguish heroic spirits, but to prune the beginning pool. So, a hero who only ever fought with a club, for example, probably doesn't qualify to take part in the Servant system, no matter how great a heroic spirit. Unless you want to try and convince the Holy Grail that it qualifies as a sword or lance, I suppose ...]

- There was this interview with Nasu saying "only the Three Knight Classes are guaranteed to appear", making it sound like there were Wars in which some Servant Classes were missing/having no representatives. (Or added, like Avenger's case)

Q.「Fate/Zero」では、「召喚の際にある一文を呪文に組み込むことで英霊がバーサーカーになる」という記述がありました。ということは、すべてのマスターが呪文にこの一文を組み込んだら、バーサーカーだらけの聖杯戦争が>はじまるんでしょうか?

(埼玉県/ひろいち)

A.そうですね。基本的に絶対枠としているのは3騎士だけなので、思いっきり特殊なマスターが集まれば世にも奇妙な聖杯戦争がはじまるでしょう。

でも、同じクラスの重複召喚はできません。[Seika trans for last line: “However, a duplicate of the same class cannot be summoned.” Just as an additional bit of info.]

(Forum Source)

- …Anyways, that's why these three classes are considered the basics and the best.

(Prologue, Day 3)

[Rin’s referring to the Knight classes - was this one of the sources for the idea that the First War only had the three Knights?]

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Parameter Values

E=10 &c.

・パラメータールール【その他】

なにげにパラメーター化されている各サーヴァントの能力。

Aが一番強いのは解るけど、B+とかA+とかなんなのんー?

という貴方に少しだけルール説明をば。

仮に、通常値を1とした場合、Eは10。で、あとは10ずつ上乗せし、Aは50となる。

で、B+とかA+というのは、この数値を瞬間的に倍化できる特殊能力の事を指す。

つまり、B+の能力は、通常はAには敵わないが、一瞬だけなら40×2で80、50のAランクを上回れる、というコト。

+(プラス)を持つ英霊は少なく、++(ダブルプラス)なんていったらもう破格、

+++(トリプルプラス)は別格だコノヤロー、という世界。

また、E~Aの数値に該当しない、そもそも別格な能力値はEXとして表される。

ギルガメッシュは各パラメーターこそ低いものの、宝具がEXな時点で他の英霊とは一線を画している訳である。

According to Side Materials, normal humans = 1 ("通常値"), E is 10, or 10 times normal human ability.

Let's say a normal human should be able to bench about 100kg, then 2.5 tons is about 25 times normal, which is about a C rank.

It does make sense in the context of other additional information. Rider busting out full Monstrous Strength (not going Gorgon mode yet) reaches about Rank B- in STR. At that level, she is said to be able to hurl a road roller at people (which is like what? Ten or twenty tons?)

(Forum Source)

[It was brought up that food might be wrong about Medusa – change of Masters, bad reference for the skill, etc. So not necessarily the best example]

Plusses to ranks

Heroic Spirits with a + (plus) are rare, those with a ++ (double plus) are extraordinary, and those with a +++ (triple plus) are in a class all their own.

(McJon01's Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Parameter Rules)

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Strength equating to 'normal' attack strength        

Q.通常攻撃、宝具共にBランク以下であるランサー、キャスター、アサシン、真アサシン。バーサーカーと戦った場合、やっぱり一方的な展開になるんでしょうか?それとも中には渡り合える者がいたりするのでしょうか?

(愛知県/フラウボウ)

A.アサシン、真アサシンは単体では勝負になりません。ランサーはルーン魔術と宝具の組み合わせで一時的にAランクに届くので、かなり不利な戦いになりますが「いくらか勝ち目のある」戦いを展開できます。キャスターはセイバークラスの前衛が2人ほどいるのなら大魔術でダメージを与えられますが、それも2回か3回が限度でしょう。ちなみに、本編でアサシンがバーサーカを撃退しているのは地形の有利とキャスターの援護(バーサーカー本体への重圧)があったおかげです。……いやまあ、それでもアサシンとバーサーカーの相性は最悪なので、撃退したこと自体、小次郎スゲーということになるのですが。

Found it.

It is not as much as "Nasu confirming STR = Normal Attack", but rather "the person who asked the question implied STR = Normal Attack, and Nasu did not say anything about it".

Everyone seems to be rolling with it, I guess we should too.

(Forum Source)

- I think this is the source of it.

なお、宝具の能力は単純な攻撃のものだけではないので一概には言えないが、宝具の威力と筋力の威力の換算で は、Cランク宝具の威力は筋力A~A+に相当する。

The conversion we all know and love. "C rank NP equals to A~A+ STR". The assumption here is STR = normal attack.

(Forum Source)

- I close my eyes and recall Saber's abilities.

Saber's strength...her normal attack power is B rank, and her NP is C rank.

(Fate, Day 5, Vela Gulf - the LP chose to question Saber about Archer instead of Berserker, so it doesn’t record it.)

[Have to note something interesting here, though: Shirō swinging Caliburn cuts through God Hand, whilst Saber swinging Excalibur can’t. Caliburn’s got to have some aspect which allows you to use its high rank for your attack, which Excalibur doesn’t have. I guess Caliburn’s basically passive - Shirō and Saber never have to call out “Caliburn”, so its cutting/glowing stab-thing must always be going. Excalibur’s rank, OTOH, is presumably based on its active ability of an energy-wave, and doesn’t actually count if you’re just swinging it around.]

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Can Servants be hurt by mundane weapons?         

- "Look, the only ones who can beat these Servants are other Servants, spirits like them. Well, we can hit them too if they take form, so we might be able to beat them.

But Servants are all strong as monsters, right? So we let monsters deal with monsters. The Master usually supports them from behind."

Well damn, it was right there in Day 3 all along.

(Forum Source - refers to Fate, Day 3, Tohsaka Rin (II))

- Superhuman strength that allows the destruction of a house or two with a single blow…

…Certainly, if that thing wished, this town could be in ruins in just one night.

And on top of that, the problem is that the Servants are normally in spirit form.

Humans can’t see those in spirit form.

But since the Servants can affect the real world as spirits, you could call them the most powerful weapon.

With the technology we have now, there are no weapons that can affect a spiritual being.

Our attacks are useless against them, and their attacks can damage us.

It's not just a one-sided game.

Murder by a Servant is like a natural death for normal people.

Death caused by an invisible killer will just be treated as accidental death or suicide.

(Fate, Day 4, Rin’s Question - the serious stuff)

- “Spiritual Body” is a word that describes an existence with spiritual properties. In other words, a shape is constructed without relying on components with physical properties. On the other hand, “Material Body” means something that is identical in structure as our flesh bodies. A Material Body, just like us, cannot walk through walls, and will hurt and become wounded when beaten with an iron baton. However, a Spirit Body is capable of completely disregarding such physical interference. Attacking a Spiritual Body with a baton or sword (unless they are magical items) will only hit empty space.

When Servants materialize, they acquire Material Bodies in this world. They can also switch to Spiritual Bodies through their will. Spiritual Bodies have the advantages such as low mana consumption, and difficult to be detected by enemies. One of the properties of a Spiritual Body is that it is unaffected by physical interference, but conversely it is difficult for a Spiritual Body to affect a Material Body. As a result, Servants Materialize when engaging in combat. (CM3)

[compare the use of 'spirit bodies' in the following quote.]

- All Servants are Heroic Spirits you know? There's the fact that they're spirit bodies too, but they can't be hurt by normal means. A Servant itself is a mystery after all.

Rin: The only ones that can hurt a Servant with physical means is another Heroic Spirit, that is, a Servant. On the other hand, if it's between Servants, it's possible to hurt Saber with a mere paper knife."

"There are ways for even us to defeat Saber.

We just need to use magic that exceeds Saber's magic resistance, or use the weapon she uses and cut her neck while she's asleep. Servants' weapons are in spirit form like them, so they should be able to hurt them."

or deadfish's trans.

We do have ways of defeating Saber too. I could simply bring in magic greater than Saber's magic resistance, or borrow the weapon a Servant uses and cut off her head while she's sleeping. If it's a Servant's weapon, it'll be of the same spiritual rank as the Servant itself, so it should be possible to hurt her. [My bolding]

(Fate, Day 10, Strategy Meeting / Forum Source)

- Question: How strong are Servants?

Kinoko: Well you see, attack power is about the same as one fighter. A fighter has way too much power for one person too stand up against, but to destroy one city they'll have to refuel many times. But what makes these guys dangerous is that since they're spiritual bodies, regular weapons won't work against them. As far as destructive power goes, there are more numerous powerful weapons among modern ones, but as normal weapons won't do a thing to them, they're among the most powerful.

Taken from the matome site - these are all from official interviews with Kinoko from Comptiq, Dengeki Hime, or Techgian.

[Bolding mine. From Fuyuki]

- "Yes. Sakura still supplies me with magical energy."

"Right, next question. Are Servants still spirits even if they take physical form? So you can't hurt them with normal weapons?"

"…Let's see. A normal Servant will be able to nullify them, but those consumed by Sakura are another matter.

Having received bodies from Sakura, they cannot return to spiritual form.

Strong magical weapons should be able to penetrate through their shadows."

(HF, Day 15, Tactics)

- Servants will be untouchable by all non-spiritual phenomena in spiritual form (in exchange, their physical interference abilities are drastically reduced, but apparently not eliminated, going by that Day 4 lecture). In physical form, material phenomena can at least touch them, but a spiritual rank approximately that of the Servant's will be required to actually harm them.

[Just a rough summary that got some agreement from the thread - I personally think that the first quote + CM3 indicates you can even harm Servants in physical form. The summary also lays out why Servants go material to fight – your opponent has a spirit-interdicting sword, so they do normal damage to you, but your abilities to interfere physically are reduced, so you're at a disadvantage.]

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Servants as the Air Force

Q:サーヴァントの強さとは、どれくらいのなモノなんでしょう?

きのこ:これはですね、攻撃能力はだいたい戦闘機一機分なんですよ。

     戦闘機は個人で立ち向かうには強力すぎる力をもっているけれども、

     一つの街を滅ぼすには何度も補給しなければならない。

     ただ連中(サーヴァント)が厄介なのは、奴ら霊体なので通常攻撃が効かないんですよ 。

     破壊力においては近代兵器のほうが強力なものが多いんですけど、

     通常兵器が聞かないと言う時点でいまだ最強。

     で、戦闘機も核弾頭を搭載できたりするように、宝具をそれぞれ備えており、

     中にはとんでもない宝具を持ってる奴がいる。

     だから、強さは戦闘機ぐらいだと言うのがイメージしやすいかなと。

     あと、ギャグっぽく言うならば「月姫」のアルクェイドの4分の1くらいかな?

     一人頭の強さは。サーヴァント一人だとアルクが勝つだろうけど、

     サーヴァント二人だとアルクがてこずってる間に後ろからプスッと…いけるかな。

Q:むしろアルクェイド強えーって話ですねソレ

きのこ:(ニヤリとしつつ)猫アルク2分の1くらいの強さだぞと。

Anyway, there's the original. They're like fighter jets in that they're way too powerful to take out one on one, but they'd have to refuel a bunch of times to take out an entire town. But then Noble Phantasms would be like loading the fighter jet with a nuclear warhead.

(Forum Source)

- Kinoko: Well you see, attack power is about the same as one fighter. A fighter has way too much power for one person too stand up against, but to destroy one city they'll have to refuel many times. But what makes these guys dangerous is that since they're spiritual bodies, regular weapons won't work against them. As far as destructive power goes, there are more numerous powerful weapons among modern ones, but as normal weapons won't do a thing to them, they're among the most powerful.

Anyway, just as fighters can load a nuclear warhead, they each have their own Noble Phantasms and among the Servants there are ones that have ridiculously powerful ones. That's why when I meant strength being the same as a fighter I thought it would be easier to image.

- Taken from the matome site - these are all from official interviews with Kinoko from Comptiq, Dengeki Hime, or Techgian.

(Fuyuki. Should be the same interview, but buggered if I know quite how it corresponds)

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Servants summoning their Noble Phantasms/other gear

- As long as he serves this Master, Lancer will never start a fight.

This is no exception, and he is to investigate Ryudou Temple.

If that is the case why is his lance in his hand?

His weapon, his Noble Phantasm, can be summoned whenever needed.

There is no need for him to hold his lance when there is no enemy before him

(Heaven's Feel, Day 6. Interlude 6-1: Hero's Death)

-It happens in an instant.

The arm that held nothing until now…

Now holds a red weapon, two meters long.

(Prologue, Day 3)

If Saber's armor is materialized from her magical energy, his armor must be the same as well.

(Fate, Day 14, Oldest King)

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Anti-Heroes

反英雄【その他】

人々に憎悪される事.その悪行が結果として人々を救う事、悪を以って善を明確にするモノ。

呪われる対象でありながら、奉られる事になった救 世主。

それが反英雄である。

といっても、純粋な反英雄は存在しない。

せいぜい悪でありながら善をおこなったモノ止まりである。

アサシン、アーチャーがこれに該当する。

ライダーやキャスターは正純の英霊ではないが、完全な反英雄という訳でもない。                                          

Anti-Heroes (Other/Misc)

People who are hated, yet the result of their atrocities ultimately saved others. They are the ones who define "good" with "evil".

Although they are the targets of curses, they are still worshiped as messiahs.

They are the anti-heroes.

However, true anti-heroes do not exist.

Ultimately they only reach the level of "individuals who did good while carrying out evil" (stopping short of being true anti-hero).

Assassin and Archer fall into this category.

Rider and Caster are not true Heroic Spirits, but they are not true anti-heroes either.

(Forum Source)

- I think it is Nasu trying to be paradoxical.

If the deed you wrought ultimately did good, then it is not a fundamentally evil deed. Since the definition of Anti-Hero is doing good through evil deed, doing good with good deed does not make you an Anti-Hero. Because the criterion itself is impossible to fulfill, there is no real Anti-Hero.

...

Basically, strictly speaking there are no true Anti-Heroes, the closest you can get are people like Archer and Hassan, who did things like killing some (possibly innocent) people for the long-term greater good.

(Forum Source)

- Kotomine makes it clearer that Nasu is basically trying to say that Anti-hero = Angra Mainyu. A true Anti-hero is a sacrifice, somebody reviled as pure evil by humanity. But by being pure evil they take that burden off of everybody else, thereby fulfilling the role of a messiah. So they're completely rejected by humanity while also being praised by humanity, that paradox is an Anti-hero. The closest normal people come is to imitate the actions of an Anti-hero with the intentions of a hero, by committing evil deeds for the greater good. The kill one innocent to save many philosophy, basically.

(Forum Source)

- "Well, about the anti-hero.

They are beings whose existence itself is evil, but their actions are good deeds according to people. They are beings who people set up as saviors, even if they don't want to be."

"Those are the heroic spirits called the anti-heroes. An example of this would be a sacrifice."

"Even if the sacrificed one is evil, he would become a hero if everyone in the village is saved because of the sacrifice, right?

It would not matter to anyone whether the sacrifice was eaten or buried.

If the one whom this disgrace was forced upon saves people, he would become a hero instead of a sinner."

"…… Is this like getting a high promotion for dying in combat?"

"No, you are wrong.

The important part is the minds of the people who set up the hero.

A proper hero is created from respect, gratitude, and feelings of guilt. You cannot become an anti-hero from gratitude or guilt.

…Well, humans forget their ugliness and substitute farce with tragedy. Heroes who died as evil will be treated as victims as time goes on, and they will not stay as pure evil."

"…Will not stay as pure evil…?"

"Correct. Anti-heroes have to be both victim and assailant.

…They are created by the people, but are not a part of humanity. It is that contradiction which allows them to be 'the enemy of the world' exempt from all the restraining forces of the world."

(HF; Day 4; Holy Grail War, the beginning)                                                

                                        

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Life Sharing – The Pronouncement of Two Deaths As One         

Nasu: Oh, and this was mentioned in passing, but in the Saber route, Rin told Shirou about there being "a Servant who shares his life with his Master's". This actually had been the very first image of Berserker.

Ilya and Berserker share the same life so it would have been pointless to target Ilya because you can't defeat Berserker. As long as Berserker is intact, Ilya won't die. Invincible combo for all intents and purposes but it got thrown in the trash can because nobody would be able to defeat them.

This is "share life" in the sense of Akiha and Shiki sharing life force, or something like that, so it's not "physical body" like the mirror moon translation. I think.

(Forum Source)

[The point was brought up in Fate, Day 4, Invitation Refusal and in HF, Day 4, Rin’s Treatment]

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Effects of legends on the Servant

What they did and what weapons they had do not change, but their basic abilities change depending on how famous they are in this time.

(Fate, Day 4, Contract Established)

- ……生前からそうだったのか、サーヴァントになる事で特徴が誇張されたのか。

 ....Was he like that when he was alive or was this a special characteristic exaggerated by becoming a Servant?

(F/HA Entrans Source)

[Also reference Medea's loss of healing magic to her legend]

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What stage of their life do Servants seem to be at?

Q.サーヴァントの姿って、死ぬ直前の姿?それとも全盛期の姿?

A.基本的に全盛期の姿です。何かの強い呪い、ないし本人の執着があるのなら死ぬ直前の姿で現れることもあ りますが。

Q. Concerning the Servants' appearance, do they take the form they had just before death, or the form they had during the prime of their lives?

A. Generally speaking, they take the appearance they had in their prime. However, if there's some kind of strong curse, or the Servant in question has an attachment to it, then their form from just before death can also appear.

(Forum Source)

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The Moon Cell

Continuity

I don't remember if this was still being debated or not, but the F/E sound drama 2 extra thingy confirms that the Moon Cell doesn't exist outside of Extra. So there's that.

(Forum Source)

- 大河「TYPE-MOON作品では、作品が違っても世界観を共有していることが多いけど、エクストラの世界以外にムーンセル は存在しないと言うのは本当かしら?」

桜「はい、存在しません。それがフェイト/エクストラがifの世界と言われる所以でもあります。そもそも、 ムーンセルが存在したら、世界観を共有する月姫の根底が崩れてしまいます。」

セイバー「む?ゲーム本編で月姫のキャラクターが登場していた気がするが。あれは幻だったか? 」

桜「幻ではありませんが、月姫における人類史とは血続きではないということです。ぶっちゃけると、ファンサ ービスですね。」

(Forum Source)

Its Heroic Spirits

On a different subject, something else from that Q&A

大河「ムーンセルのサーヴァントは抑止の輪から呼び出されたものじゃなくて、NPCと同じように再現された コピーという認識は正しいのかしら?」

桜「はい、その通り正しいです。より正確に言うと、ムーンセルが記録している人類史からの完全再現となりま す。ただし、この人類史は仮言的に英霊の座と繋がっているので、一概にコピーとは言えません。要するに、ム ーンセルも自分で人類史を作っている認識なのですが、その人類史はそもそも英霊の座とまったく同じものなの で、同一存在として仮言的には重なり合っている、みたいな感じです。」

大河「ついでに言うと、抑止の輪はまた別ね。アーチャーさんは抑止の輪側の英霊だけど、エクストラのアーチ ャーさんは英霊の座から呼び出されたために、今回は抑止力の奴隷になっていないというわけ。」

Basically the Moon Cell takes the Servants from its records of history, but the recorded heroes are identical to the ones in the Throne of Heroes anyway.

What's 抑止の輪 anyway, I've only seen that in the summoning chant.         

(Forum Source)

I'm guessing Alaya.

(Forum Source)

Is A TYPE Or Something

Official name: Moon Cell Automaton.

An energy-storing body discovered inside the moon.

An artifact constructed by non-human intelligent life.

A super computer that is the setting for Fate/EXTRA.

The existence of up to a seventh level has been structurally identified in cyberspace, and the first level, the surface of the moon, is accessible by even normal hackers.

Going beyond the inner second level is difficult for non-wizards……heck, there is no way to get inside physically.

Without soul transference, without having a data body converted into virtual spiritrons, it isn’t possible to look into the abyss.

In the case of the magi of the old world, they had made contact with the moon cell as a part of meditation without having to use radio waves.

The Moon Cell is, in a manner of speaking, an eye that observes the Earth.

A processor that faithfully simulates all life on Earth and is capable of providing a definite prediction of the future.

A database of humanity. A massive memory recording their habits, history, ideas, even their souls. A pandora’s box that promises the next stage of evolution, promises god-like power to those intelligent lifeforms who have become technologically advanced enough to scan the interior of the moon.

Originally it was an observation device left behind by an alien civilization. It had only recorded the nature of life on Earth, but after many years it came to possess its current abilities.

Though an observation device initially, it could not leave anything unseen in its observations.

(Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle. The observer determines an event by observing it. What isn’t observed is not certain).

An observation device must be fair. If it is to observe, there must be nothing unseen. Thus, it required capabilities for knowing everything about the Earth.

To record all things without bias, it needed performance greater than that of an observation device.

And so, it had made a giant leap in evolution.

It had enhanced its functions to the point where it advanced from making observations to supervising, even having control of the administration of the planet.

The greater its enhancements, the more complicated its administration policy.

It created many terminals and even made artificial intelligences to manage functions for each section.

(These were later utilized for the NPCs and advanced AIs of the Holy Grail War)

However, it firmly refused to install an artificial intelligence for itself.

The observer must not have a mind.

For the observer to have a mind would result in the meaning of things being decided by the observer.

Thus, it kept to maintaining its absolute objectivity as an eye, doing so while always dismantling the emerging semblances of sapience that it had incorporated to administrate its functions.

Thus, this computer has no conception of good and evil, no desire for the future, not even an outcome.

It is simply there.

A type-writer left behind by god.

An observation lens bored in the moon.

Later, the crystal ball of dreams would come to be called this.

An eye of the moon.

A bottomless Klein cube.

An ownerless Type Moon which has read all of this planet out loud.

(Forum Source)

Far and Near Sides

- Best way to think of it is that the near side works on observation time and the far side works on record time.

Observation time is basically conventional time. But let's say it's like a book.

Now, if the you in the book jumps out of the book, you'd enter record time and you'd be able to look at your past, present, and future had you still been in the book.

Basically record space is like a mix of all of that and you might have people with memories beyond the 5th round. Funky space results in funky memories once you enter it.

That's why some people have contradicting memories. Those memories are ambiguous first of all because the outcome hasn't been determined for sure because nothing beyond the 5th round has happened in the real world.

Or something like that. I might be missing something.

(Forum Source)

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Spirit Form and Magical Detection (of Masters & of Servants)         

- /If servants can take spirit form, then why doesn't assassin always take it? I mean, Kiritsugu wouldn't have been able to see the assassin on the crane if it was in spirit form. I know they can't interact with anything while in spirit form, but they can at least see, which is what assassin was doing./

I dunno, they're supposed to be limited to spiritual senses in spirit form, too. So even if that's enough to have an idea of what's going on around them, maybe it's not the best for gathering precise details on what's happening in the material world?

(Forum Source)

- Without "eyes" to see, Kirei can't use the shared perception.

(Forum Source)

[Not backed up, but sounds reasonable]

- "Hey, you're going to walk around in that? It hardly looks normal, and besides, other Masters would be able to tell you're a Servant right away.

I don't intend to go announcing to everyone that I'm a Master, you know."

"Oh, so that's what you meant.

It's not a problem. Certainly I will need to change, but only when I take form.

Servants are spirits after all. We become spirits when not in battle to reduce the burden on our Masters."

"Oh yeah. You are still a heroic spirit even if you're summoned already. Since it's the Master's magical energy that gives the spirit form, if I cut off that magical energy…"

"Naturally, we would return to spirit form.

A Servant in that state is like a guardian spirit. We cannot be observed by anyone except the Master we are connected to by the leyline.

We can still talk though, so it's no problem if we're going scouting."

"Wow, that's really convenient. In that case, it must be hard to search for other Masters."

"Yes. But magi can sense other magi, right? In the same way, Servants can sense other Servants.

If a Servant knows powerful magic, they would be able to sense Servants even from a distance."

…Just as Archer says.

A Master is usually a great magus.

A magus with strong magical energy is sensitive to other magical energy.

But as far as I know, no one in this town has magical energy that strong.

"Hmm… So, what about you? Can you tell where the other Servants are?"

"Master, have you forgotten my class? Sensing distant enemies isn't a job for a knight."

"Shooting them, however..."

…Well, I guess not.

Archer's magical energy isn't that strong.

I expect only the Servant Caster would have enough magical energy to locate enemies from a distance.

The Command Spell engraved on my right hand is hurting.

A small warning as if to get my attention.

"Someone's watching us."

"Hm."

I extend my consciousness to the surroundings.

I roll out the threads of my consciousness and search through the park

“… I can't find him.

What about you, Archer?”

"It's difficult. I can't even feel the stare."

"…Then, it must be a Master watching."

I don't know who it is, but if Archer can't sense it, it has to be a Master.

"…The Command Spell reacts to other Command Spells. So that must mean that if you are a Master, you should be able to recognize other Masters when you see them. Then wouldn't that mean you should be able to identify the other Master too?"

"Yes. But a superior magus can conceal their magical energy. Even though Command Spells react to each other, they operate on magical energy. If the Master has closed his Magic Circuit, it will be hard to find him."

"…That's troubling. That means we are showing them our location."

"That's right. Well, if I search around my house, I should be able to find something that kills my magical energy, but…"

(Prologue, Day 2)

- Rin: “Oh, yeah. Can you at least sense other magi's presence? It'll be easy if that's the case."

Shirō: "No. I went to the same school as you for two years and I still didn't realize you were a magus, Tohsaka."

Rin: "Just as I thought… Well, that's fine. The others would be hiding their presence, so it should be impossible to find them from their traces anyways.

How about you, Saber? I hear Servants can detect other Servants."

Saber: "I can somewhat, but only when they are using their abilities nearby. In my case, I can only detect them within about a two hundred meter radius."

(Fate, Day 4, Buddy Saber, Buddy Rin)

- Saber: "I understand. I certainly feel the presence of a Servant on this floor."

Rin: This floor …?! The Servant's on the fourth floor?!

Saber: "I am sure of it. …What about it, Rin?"

"Huh --- no, I'm sure that's the case if you say so, but that's too strange. I can feel that the origin of the boundary field is on the first floor. I'm sure your skill to detect a Servant is superior to mine, but my skill to detect magic is pretty good too."

Shirō: "…? So you're saying that the Servant is on this floor even though the boundary field was set up on the first floor?"

(UBW, Day 7, Rin's Warning)

-  幽体はこういう時に便利だ。なんなく自分の魔術回路を魔術式に重ねられる。

 Astral bodies are useful for stuff like this. Sorcery can be overlayed on my own circuits, somehow.

(F/HA Entrans Source)

- あいよ、と体中の汚れを落とす。

"Alright," I said and went to remove the filth from my body.

余分なものが落ちると同時に、霊体化が可能となる

Once the excess is removed, I can dematerialize.

あの牛乳を浴びた途端、強制的に実体化させられ霊体化が不可能になったのだ。

While I'm covered with that milk, dematerialization is impossible.

対サーヴァント用のトラップだったのか、それとも、まっとうな人体にはもっと劇的な効果があったのか。

Could have been an anti-Servant trap, but it might also have had a more dramatic effect on a normal body.

(F/HA Entrans Source)

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Masters

Shirō

Unlimited Blade Works

Q.セイバールートでアーチャーの固有結界を見なかった士郎は「無限の剣製」を会得しませんでしたよね。もし修行して身につけようとしたら、どれぐらい年月がかかるのでしょうか?

(東京都/ヒゲール)

A.基本に10年。使いこなせるようになるのにあと10年。

……といったところでしょうか?

(Seasons of Change - Comptiq 2007-12)

[I swear this is translated somewhere, but I can’t find it. Anyway, it’s the one about taking Shirō 10 years to work out UBW if he never sees Archer’s, and another 10 to become proficient in it]

Sexism

- I selfishly tried hard in the beginning, thinking I couldn’t let a girl fight.

(Fate, Day 15, stay Night (I))

I can't call out to her because I am fascinated by her beauty, and also for another reason.

"…Why."

Because seeing the girl fighting and getting hurt somehow made me mad.

No matter how strong she is or how armored she is, I think it's wrong for a girl to have to fight.

(Fate, Day 3, Promised Sign)

[My bold. Internal thoughts, so it seems that this is not a front for the sake of keeping Saber away from a fight. He also separates his wonder at her beauty from his desire to not have her hurt, so it's not just that he's crushing on her.]

- "…? I'm talking about you. A girl shouldn't be swinging swords around, all the more so if you're hurt.

…Oh wait, I don't even know if it's a sword or not, huh? Anyway! You're a girl, so you can't do that!"

(Day 3, Tōsaka Rin (II))

[This is just after he's seen her force both Lancer and Archer to retreat. Berserker figures into neither of these quotes, since that fight comes later. And at this point he's seen her heal herself and demonstrate that she has full mobility back, so it can't just be that she got herself hurt – that's a bad excuse on his part.]

- /also somewhat depends, I suppose, on what precisely mirror-moon are translating as 'girl' and how loosely defined that word can be./

Just 女, I think. I know at least that's what he says verbally in the anime and realta nua, at least.

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- If he used it as じょ instead of おんな, yeah, Ergast probably would have a point. But he says おんな, which is general female.

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[General note: sexism, not misogyny. He discriminates against women before it's demonstrated to him how powerful and competent they can be. I wouldn't say that he ever hates women, just … believes that they have a certain place, which doesn't include things that, really, women can and ought to be able to do.]

Rin guesses his element

…Come to think of it, that sword held ridiculous amounts of magical energy. It's certainly strange to imitate magical energy that's a hundred times what I have, huh?"

"…That's, uh… probably because you're compatible with 'swords'. Magi each have an attribute, right?

I think it's 'swords' in your case."

"Attribute…? You mean elements like fire or water?"

"Right. One usually takes one of the elements that make up this world. They call fire normal and wind noble in the Magic Association, right?

It can be one of 'earth, water, fire, wind, heaven' or one of 'wood, fire, earth, metal, water'.

A magus has one of these elements, and there are others with specialized elements as well.

…Most of these magi end up as specialists, though.

And in your case it’s ‘swords’

There's no variety, but you can try and be the best when it comes to swords."

(Fate, Day 12, Permit)

Puppet body

The soul shapes the body. As long as your soul is in pristine condition, it can shape an amorphous blob of a puppet body into the correct shape.

...

Shirou was able to migrate into a new body largely unscratched because Ilya remade his soul with Dress of Heaven/Heaven's Feel. He still needed to "break his new body in" because the puppet body needed to be reshaped by his soul (also probably because it was a mediocre example of Touko's work).

TL;DR

Your soul is immortal. Attaching your soul to a body causes it to decay. Heaven's Feel is awesome because it materialises the soul directly, bypassing the need for a body, thus making you immortal.

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CapSaba

Shirou (Master)

An elementary schooler who stands for justice. Emiya Kiritsugu picked him up on his way home from a business trip. Following that, he was quickly raised as an adopted son of the Emiya family. Though maybe it's because his sense of justice is too strong, or maybe it's just how he is as a person, but he has this thing where he doesn't listen to others.

By the way, when Kiritsugu brought home a son out of nowhere, his neighbor, Fujimura-san, became bedridden from the shock. But when he came back from his next business trip with a wife, she was just so done with it all that she lost her innocent feelings as a young girl.

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- What kind of kid was Shirou before he became Kiritsugu's adopted son? <Mackerel Sandwich>

Nasu: Full disclosure, he was a "Capsule Servant!"

Takeuchi: I've always thought that Shirou had been getting a bit weird, so that's what it was!

Nasu: Yea. We wrote him based on "what would happen if he were raised more timidly." It was more fun than I thought it would be, to take a character so straightforward and make them docile…

(Tsukikan: UBW S1 Q&A)

[See also Kanshō & Bakuya, and Projection magecraft.]

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Kiritsugu

Is a lolicon

- Hahaha, there's a great bit in the second Zero Animation Material book where they start talking about how ridiculously chu-2 Iri's poem was, but that since she was only nine years old it makes sense. Then they muse about whether Kiritsugu is a lolicon, but Nasu says it's fine because she already looked like an adult when they met.

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Contender & Origin Bullets

- Emiya Kiritsugu utilized his extraordinary "Origin" to its fullest extent when he created his Mystic Code. The first and second ribs on both sides were cut off and taken out of his body. The extracted ribs were grinded into dust, condensed with a craft to preserve the soul, and sealed within sixty-six bullets as their core.

These bullets would actualize Kiritsugu’s "Origin" on the target when it hits. If it were to hit a living creature then there would be no wounds or bleeding, but the place where it was hit would appear to be suffering necrosis. The surface may seem to have healed, but the nerves and capillaries wouldn’t be regenerated properly and the original function would be lost.

Moreover, as a Conceptual Weapon, this bullet poses an even graver threat to magi in particular.

Kiritsugu had already used thirty-seven bullets, but not a single one of them was wasted. The bullets that were made using a part of his body had already completely destroyed thirty-seven magi. Now, the thirty-eighth "Origin Bullet" severed a new sacrifice’s life force.

...

Using intense pressure to make the densely-packed prana, circulating in the Magic Circuits, suddenly begin to ignore those paths and flow chaotically, destroying the practitioner’s body in the process. The moment Volumen Hydragyrum blocked the Contender’s strike, Kayneth suffered damage more severe than getting directly hit by a bullet.

When Kiritsugu’s magecraft bullet is interfered by magecraft, the impact of the "Origin" within the bullet would affect all the way down to the Magic Circuits of the practitioner.

If we were to compare a magus’s Magic Circuits as a high-voltage power cable, Kiritsugu’s bullet would be a drop of water. What would happen if a conductive liquid attached to a thickly-placed electrical circuit? The short-circuiting current would destroy the circuit itself, resulting in permanent damage.

Just like that, shorting out Magic Circuits is the terrifying effect of Kiritsugu’s Mystic Code.

...

The destructive power of Kiritsugu’s magecraft bullet depends on how many Magic Circuits were activated within the target the moment the bullet hit, since what destroys the practitioner’s body would be his own prana.

(Fate/Zero, Volume 2, Act 7, Part 3)

- /摘出された骨は粉状に播り潰してから霊的工程で凝縮され、六六発の銃弾に芯材として封入された 。/

So it has nothing to do with soul at all.

They crushed the bone into a powder and condensed it via some form of spiritual process/voodoo.

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- Jonnobi says he has to pump his magical energy through [the Contender] to have an effect, dunno where they got it, don't feel like finding out.         

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- Kiritsugu's Mystic Code. A modified Thompson/Center Contender. While Kiritsugu's other high-tech gear are armaments belonging to "Magus Killer" Emiya Kiritsugu, this gun is representative of the magus, Emiya Kiritsugu. A 14 inch long barrel with a grip and fore end made from wallnut that evokes images of a sheathed short sword; the only pistol-like parts being the trigger and firing hammer, while the cylinder and slide doesn't seem to be anywhere in sight. The simple exterior of the gun is close to that of percussion pistols from the end of the middle ages.

Normally, Contenders are single-shot handguns, able to load only one bullet inside its break-open type chamber. Kiritsugu adjusted the gun to hunting-rifle specifications by replacing the barrel so that it can use large hunting rifle type bullets, and applied mystical treatment on the rifling and firing pin for the use of "mystic bullets".

Fires 30-06 Springfield bullets. Bottleneck rifle cartridge with size and power on a level far greater than pistol bullets. 30-06 Springfield bullets, which have 10% more power than large military rifle 308 Winchester bullets, boasts force far beyond that of even the so-called "handcannon class" Magnum. Over-excessive firepower for a hand gun.

True threat of the pistol doesn't lie with the physical destructive power put into force by explosives and bullets, but custom "mystic bullets" (only twelve remaining). Bone powder extracted from Kiritsugu's own body is sealed in the core of the bullet tip and when fired, charged with Kiritsugu's Prana, it will smash Kiritsugu's magus "origin" ("severing" and "binding") into the target. What can also be called an artificial conceptual weapon. Kiritsugu's one and ultimate weapon, used only as a last resort against those extremely powerful threats. Effect against magi is a critical and fatal overload of activated circuits; resulting in destroyed organs and a fried nervous system. In addition, provided that the bullets are defended against by thaumaturgy, the origin of the bullets will still make its way into the enemy magus' circuits.

Kiritsugu's favored gun on the battleground back in his peak (more than 19 years before Fate/stay night). Kept in the care of Hisau Maiya for 9 years and returned to him for the 4th Heaven's Feel.

(Fuyuki translation, so wherever Jonnobi got, arai found it too. Unless this is direct from there?)        

                        

[See also e.g. entries on Emiya magecraft below, Natalia and Maiya.]

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The Einzbern         

The Dress of Heaven itself is made from a Failed Grail (Liz's body), so Ilya donning the Dress of Heaven is putting a Grail in a Grail, allowing her to execute a pseudo-Third.

(Not complete. If it is complete, Shirou would be able to run around like an incarnated Servant, and will not be needing any mana.)

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- There is no such thing as a run-of-the-mill Einzbern.

Einzberns create homunculi to carry out extremely specific tasks. If they want a walking Grail, they will create one. The walking Grail will be frail as toilet paper, but they will be extremely good Grails.

If they want warriors, they will create god-tier warriors with Servant level strength, but then they will know zero spells (hell, Liz can barely talk).

They do not bestow anything necessary [sic] to their creations.

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- /Is Jubstacheit confirmed to be a homunculus?/

Not as far as I know. He's just lived very long and stuff.

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[Probably not impossible, mind. Nothing against it, but nothing really for it either]

- He was Jubstacheit von Einsbern, better known as "Acht" after he became the eighth head of the Einsbern family. By prolonging his life, he had lived for almost two centuries, leading the Einsberns through every one of the Grail wars. He did not remember the Justizia era, but ever since the second Heaven’s Feel, old Acht has suffered the pain of defeat many times. To him, the anxiety that he feels at this third opportunity for the Grail is extraordinary.

[Fate/Zero, Volume 1, Act 1, Part 2]

- -/and she's supposed to be a failure/

People keep saying this but I seriously doubt it.

1. Illya calls her a failure in anger and Sella goes "yeah, we're failures, not like Milady who's totally awesome, let's do what she says" like she's humouring her

2. Failures get thrown away in a wasteyard apparently

3. Leysritt was created for the whole Dress of Heaven thing, and it works, which is kind of the opposite of "failure"

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- According to CM2, the reason she's a "failure" maybe due to the fact that Leysritt is the prototype of Ilya. Leysritt is a "strength" type homonculus, Sella is a "academic" type homonculus. They are all doing what they are designed to do, thus my earlier comment that the Einzbern homonculi are "designer" homonculi with specific purposes.

It is interesting that the prototype of Ilya is a "strength" type. Did the Einzeberns originally plan to just totally power through the Grail War with a strength Servant and a strength Master?

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- 「エミヤ様。勘違いはなさらぬように。 リーゼリットは決して私や貴方に劣っている訳ではありません。彼女はイリヤスフィール様同様、アインツベル ンの英知の結晶とも言える“成功例”です。 ……悔いるべき部分があるとすれば、お館様の手が優れすぎた、 という事でしょう。 本来天のドレスを具現化させる為だけのエーテル塊に、不出来とは言え自我まで備えられ たのですから」

"Emiya-sama, do not misunderstand. Leysritt is by no means inferior to you or I. She, like Illyasviel-sama, is a "success case" that can be called the crystallization of Einzbern's wisdom. ...If there is anything to regret, perhaps it is that the Master was too skilled. Because he went so far as to add a sense of self, however poor, to a clump of ether made only to incarnate the Dress of Heaven."

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-/Wait, how can Leysritt be a prototype of Illya? Illya was created about 16 years before her./

The original word is "サンプル", or "sample". If you get literal, it says "Liz was built as a sample of Ilya". I interpret it as "prototype".

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-Well, Leysritt is two years old as of Hollow. So she can't be Illya's prototype. I'm guessing "sample" refers to the whole "Leysritt is a part of Illya" thing or something?

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-I think I get this now. The text said Liz was "built" as a sample of Ilya, while it says Sella was "born".

Probably the ether blob know as Liz existed long before Ilya, as a trial run for a Minor Grail (Ilya). After Ilya was born, the blob was given sentience, and made into Liz.

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- HA still says Leysritt was created to be Illya's Mystic Code and is "literally" a part of Illya. Seems like that's something they'd have to plan in advance instead of a Plan B.

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- The Profile in CM2 says Liz was the Grail, but failed. The Dress of Heaven part is probably her duty as a failure, in order to capitalise on her Grail properties.

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- Originally, they were failed attempts at creating a Holy Grail. They were scheduled for disposal, but ended up having their lives prolonged as the homunculi assigned to take care of Illya.

(McJon01's Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Illya’s Maids)

- /(I think, do we know under what circumstances Bazett fought a Einzbern Homunculus? Was it someone from the Third War?) /

She hunted down a "failure" that escaped, IIRC.

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- The Einzbern homonculi are "designer" homonculi, each bred for a specific purpose, unrelated functions are kind of trimmed. Like worker homonculi might not be very smart or talkative, and the magi homonculi might be super feeble. I think cm3 mentioned something like a store house for failures? Creepy stuff.

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- Yeah, that's mentioned in the Berserker flashback. "They were thrown into a wasteyard where failures were thrown away."

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- /Leysritt is ether, but isn't she some special hax homunculus rather than a regular one (blah blah dress of heaven blah blah part of Illya blah blah miracle)?/

That's her purpose so they made her able to transform into it yeah (and connected to Illya or some such crazy magic shit), but Sella was created at the same time fully grown, so I don't see why (or how) they would use a different method than ether clump.

Plus the whole not aging thing.

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- She chalked the similarities in appearance up to the fact that Einzbern homunculi tend to look alike.

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- /Could Illya use the "command spell" she has been given?

Like, use it up. For reals. Or is that impossible since every command she gives out is CS tier anyway?/

Her command spell is her magic circuits, so no. It never gets used up, Illya so special.

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- She's too fundamentally different, being tailored for the Grail War and all. It's more like she has super-circuits with all the functions of a command spell, rather than a command spell that functions as her circuits.                                                 

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Wish-granting Attribute         

/I really suspect Ilya's sorcery is her unconsciously using Justica's skills. After all, all the Grail homonculi are copies of the Winter Saint./

生まれてから魔術を習ったのではなく、生まれつき魔術を習得している。彼女の魔術は理論を飛ばして結果を出 すというもので、小規模な聖杯というか、彼女の望みが彼女の魔力で可能ならばその方法を知らなくても実現で きる。

Makes it sound like process doesn't matter at all as long as it's possible, not like she's unconsciously finding the process from Justeaze's memories.

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- Magic energy is only fuel for activating magic and does not demonstrate an effect by itself.

But sometimes it will remain in a form, only in special cases where the magic energy itself has characteristics close to magic.

Like the Einzbern, from what I heard, imparted a personality to a holy grail.

If the personality has magic energy, then it will be born with the magic characteristic of "granting wishes".

Having vital functions linked directly to holy grail functions, it should be able to perform magic-like miracles, simply be releasing magic energy.

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[For 'magic characteristic', read 'attribute' – it's the same word translated differently]

- 魔力というのは魔術を起動させる為の燃料にすぎず、ソレ単体で効果を発揮する事はない。

だが特例として、魔力そのものが魔術に近い特性を持っている場合にかぎり、カタチとして残る事がある。

たとえば----伝え聞くアインツベルンは、聖杯に人格を与えたという。

その人格が魔力を持つのなら、ソレは生まれながらにして『願いを叶える』という魔術特性を持つに至る。

生命活動と聖杯の機能が直結しているであろうソレなら、魔力を放出するだけで『魔術』めいた奇跡をカタチにするだろう。

(Hollow Ataraxia - 真・冒頭-15)

[The location and original Japanese for the above translation]

[See also Fuyuki and Unlimited Codes on homunculi]

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The Tōsaka Family (with added Zelretch and Edelfelt)

I expected the least out of Tohsaka, but you managed to reach it in just six generations.

(Heaven’s Feel, Epilogue, Return to the spring)

[Just for a timeline feel - six generations from Zelretch’s gift of Jewelled Sword blueprints to Rin taking the credit for having remade it].

Residence

The Tohsaka family – which provided the ground – had the right to use the best spiritual leyline as their base. However, the prana overflowing from Mount Enzō was too powerful, and too dangerous to be used as a living ground to bring up the next generation of magi. Hence, they set up their stronghold at the next best spiritual leyline – the Tohsaka residence of today. Though inferior to the Greater Holy Grail, this place was sustained by sufficient spiritual power to summon the Holy Grail.

(Fate/Zero - Act 15)

Conversion Attribute; Family Tree; Involvement With Zelretch And The Edelfelts

"I've shown you before, but this is my Magic Crest.

The technique of conversion is what's been passed down the Tohsaka family. We're good at shifting our powers or someone else's.

Magical energy disappears when we take it out of our body, right?

We cannot create anything special with just magical energy. We execute the equation called magic using the magical energy before it disappears. That's why 'pure magical energy' that's not part of a spell is hard to move around"

She stops there and takes a small rock out of her pocket.

…Is it a jewel?

The transparent polyhedron reminds me of a kaleidoscope.

"As an exception, I can store my magical energy in other objects.

No, not only my magical energy, but I can also store other's magical energy. And although it'll be difficult, I can store things other than magical energy as well."

(Fate, Day 5, Tohsaka Rin (IV))

Well, usually it's not even an option to use the jewel in that way. The Tohsakas' "conversion" trait makes that possible though.

[Referring to the partial drawing of prana from jewels, rather than just grenading things with them]

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- The Magical Trait of House Edefelt is also "Transfer", and their weapon of choice is also Jewel Magic augmented by "Transfer". Identical to what the Tohsakas have.

On the other hand, Zelretch is called "Zelretch of the Jewel" due to "宝 石の表面が万華鏡のそれに類似していることから宝石の名を冠する。", or "the many facets of a jewel resembles a kaleidoscope, so he was called thus (Zelretch of the Jewel)".

I lean more towards "there was some maiden snatching going on during the Third Heaven's Feel", rather than Zelretch taught the Tohsakas everything.

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- The Tohsaka are the only ones from this land, but their fatherly master is that Schweinorg. Well, if the master is the kind of person I hear he is, it is ridiculous to group them according to race

(HF, Day 4, Holy Grail War, the beginning)

- /For sure it is not a blood thing, because the Tohsakas are not of Schweinorg blood./

それはそれでいいのよ。その剣はシュバインオーグの系譜の者にしか扱えない、とびっきりの魔剣 なんだから。

That can mean something else? And what about how they're always calling him their great ancestor?

[シュバインオーグの系譜 = Schweinorg genealogy/pedigree, by the dictionary definition]

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- Naahhh, can't be. Tohsaka Nagato was someone Zelretch picked up, there was no implication Nagato was a descendent of the Zelretch line.

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- So, lineage. It is what it is. Though it could also just mean that it can't be used by people without some kind of not-necessarily-blood-related connection to Zelretch, I guess, keifu can have that sort of meaning too.

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- /Like what? A blessing or something along those lines?/

More like a master-apprentice relationship.

Could go either way, I guess? You'd think it'd be the master-apprentice thing, but then the 10th anniversary Q&A took pains to point out that Nagato wasn't even a real apprentice so much as some random dude that Zelretch decided to show a thing or two in exchange for a favor. So maybe Zelretch being an interdimensional manslut is actually more likely, I don't know!

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- The bit in the Fate Zero Hanafuda scenario about Tokiomi saying he couldn't trust the Matous anymore with Sakura and was going to send her to the Edelfelts (whom the Tohsakas were distantly related to!?)

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[Suggestions are varied, but possibly Zelretch went after a later descendent – Nagato's daughter is an obvious candidate, because she's very likely to have had contact with him whilst they were setting up the First HGW. I suppose it might come with the Edelfelt blood too?]

[See also the following entry on Kotomine for some of the family’s interaction with him; see the Jewel Thaumaturgy entry for more on their preferred magecraft; and see Roles of the Founding Families for some of their involvement in the beginnings of the Grail War.]

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Tōsaka Nagato and his daughter

遠坂永人【人名】

とおさかながと。

二百年前、聖杯戦争を始めた遠坂の当主。

マキリ臓硯、ユスティーツァに協力を求められ、聖杯戦争に関わる。

遠坂の先祖は隠れて国外宗教の信徒をやっていた人だが、フラリと現れたへンな爺さんにこっちの 道に勧 誘され、以後魔術の世界に傾倒した。

聖堂教会に多少顔がきき、魔法使いの弟子という事で魔術協会でも優遇されるおいしい家系。

冬木の土地を管理しているのも、両組織にパイプラインがあるからである。

永人は魔術と武術を等しく見ていた人物。

無の境地を経て根源に触れようとしていた所を、アインツベル ンとマキリに勧誘された。

凜の先祖なだけあって、わりとドジ。

魔術の才能は娘の方にあったらしく、大聖杯作成には永人より娘の方が力になったらしい

Side Material, last line of Nagato Tohsaka's entry.

She is not better or stronger than Nagato. She is just another mage who also contributed power in forging the Greater Grail. She did contribute more than her old man, I guess that's where the "more powerful than Nagato" came from.

Glancing mention here.

Witness, “Wizard Marshall” Kischua Zelretch Schweinorg

In the Association, becoming “a pupil of Zelretch” is synonymous to being turned into a complete wreck. Tohsaka Nagato is one of the few rare talented ones that returned without a scratch after becoming the pupil of Zelretch.

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- The Tohsaka family head during the very first Holy Grail War, two hundred years ago.

He took part in the ritual at the request of Makiri Zouken and Justeaze.

Though traditionally the Tohsaka were a clan of secret Christians, one day a strange old man appeared out of nowhere and led them astray. Ever since then, they have devoted themselves to the world of sorcery.

With their contacts in the Holy Church and favorable treatment from the Association as disciples of a magician, they are in an enviable position.

It is due to their connections with both organizations that they were appointed the managers of Fuyuki.

At any rate, Nagato viewed sorcery and martial arts as equal, and was attempting to reach the Root via a state of mushin (no-mind) when he was recruited by the Einzberns and Makiri.

As you might expect from Rin's ancestor, he was prone to goofing up. Also, it seems that his daughter was the one with talent for sorcery, and ended up being far more useful in the construction of the Great Holy Grail than her father was.

(McJon01's Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Tohsaka Nagato)

[Some additional information on Nagato and his relationship with Zelretch is available in the 10th FES Anniversary Q&A]

Rin

Origin

CM2 says that Rin's origin is one of the imaginary elements. It doesn't specify which, but as of CM3 the only imaginary elements are Hollow and Nothingness. And they never mention anything about Sakura's origin.

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- In Complete Material 2, in passing, and with absolutely no importance or explanation attached to the revelation.

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- 架空元素を起源とする冬木市の管理者

[page 16]

- Rin realizes that the attacks are not from the black shadow, but a magic Sakura possesses.

That magic of Matou is to bind others.

But Sakura is originally from the Tohsaka family --- a shadow-user with an origin of the imaginary element, the imaginary number.

Matou Sakura is able to embody the black shadow to that degree because she has both of those attributes --- !

(HF, Day 14, Sacrilege - Sisters (VI))

[This may or may not be the Rakkyō Origin. CM3 notes that in magecraft the word ‘origin’ is sometimes used simply for a mage’s alignment.]

Birthday

Oh great, it's that confusing issue with Rin and Sakura's birthdays again.

Fate/Zero says Rin is Feb 4 and Sakura is April 2.

TM Ace article on Fate/Zero says Rin is Feb 3 and Sakura is March 2.

CM2 says Rin is Feb 4 and Sakura is March 2.

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Magecraft

...凛と同じく生まれながらに高い魔術的素養を持っていた

Confirmed Sakura has identical intrinsic magical quality as Rin. She appeared the inferior magus due to Zouken's "adjustments" causing her unable to unleash her full potential. (I think this is referring to forcing another Element onto Sakura, etc.)

From CM2, Sakura's bio.

(Forum Source)

- Q: On average, how much is one of Tohsaka Rin’s jewels worth?

A: If we’re only talking about the ones she uses in combat, those go up to about 500,000 yen each. As for the ones made of crystals originally easy to store mana in, those are made of precious metals and fetch a very high price (I decided long ago that the gems would be very valuable). The Tohsaka have exclusive channels through which they obtain the jewels, and Rin racks her brains every day wondering whether she could've gotten a better price from the buyer if she had just become friends with that lady.

[CM3]

Future

Q.ぶっちゃけ遠坂凛って、将来魔術師としてどの位大成するんですか?

天才であるから相当な高みへといけそうな気がする一方で、彼女の特技である“ここ一番で失敗する”のせいで微妙な位置で留まりそうな気も……。

(愛知県/モンブラン)

A.ぶっちゃけ教授にはなれます。でも名誉教授にはなれません。

なぜなら、やはり、ここ一番で大ポカするからネ!

……けど、晩年にはドジ属性ののろいも克服できてそうですよ?

魔術師界隈では「ある意味、手を出してもいいコトがない大物」として扱われるのではないでしょうか。

It's from this Q&A.

The question asks would Rin get far in the Association? The answer was "not really". She would be an Associate Professor, but never make it to Professor Emeritus due to the Tohsaka curse.

She would mellow out in her later years and possibly conquer the Tohsaka curse, and she would be "someone you don't want to mess with".

The original says she would just be a "Professor", but then it kind of makes no sense a full professor not retiring as a "Professor Emeritus". So she must be doomed to be an Associate Professor.

(Forum Source)

EXTRA

- Code casts work in real life too (what....). Rin has a lot of her own but hides them so people don't steal them. If she sold the patents she'd be rich, this is "the blood of Tohsaka Tokiomi" (thanks Sakura)

-The devices Masters use to enter the moon cell usually double as life support machines for their bodies, if they enter by other means they're fucked and won't be able to go back even if they win

-There is a group of wizards who are like Interpol, or maybe Zenigata. ok

-Wizards still have crests, Rin and Leo have them.

(Forum Source; Blossom-Sensei mini-drama)

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Kotomine

Martial arts & the Tōsaka

Buuuuut Kotomine learned his Bājíquán from Risei, who was a master of the style. And then his experiences as an Executor sublimed it into kind of a personal style for destroying the human anatomy. The Tohsakas had jack to do with it.

(Forum Source)

- There was also that short blurb comparing Risei and Kotomine, where Kotomine is a better killer despite being an inferior practitioner of Baijiquan.

(Forum Source)

/Incidentally, where was that mentioned (that he learned it from Risei)?/

-Zero Material.

(Forum Source)

- スーパー八極拳【その他】

Fate/Zeroは衛宮切嗣と言峰綺礼の物語であるからして、ラストのクライマックスバトルは当然この二人のガナン コとならざるを得なかったわけだが、当初確定していた設定において、切嗣は銃器を使用、固有時制御なる魔術を駆使し、かつ後の展開を鑑みればアヴァロンも装備していた筈で、対する綺礼はと いえば黒鍵ぐらいしか武装のネタがなく、しばし筆者は頭を抱えるほかなからた。

そうだ八極拳。八極拳しかねー。でもどうなのさそれ?

Zero2巻でついに綺礼の戦闘、シーシを書かざるを得なくなるに至り、まずは初心に返って笑傲江湖を読み 返し、ブルースでジェットなリーやトニーのジャーによる自己洗脳・自己啓発を繰り返した結果、「カンフーすごい。超すごい」という悟りの境地へと到達。あとは冷静な思考を取り戻す前に一気に書き 上げることで、VSアイリ&舞弥のシーンを何とか乗り切ったのであった。

ちなみに冬木市民会館のラストバトル執筆に及んでは、さらに少林寺三十六房と風雲ストームライダーズが洗脳 レシヒに加わったとか。

そんな次第で、綺礼の八極拳の出鱈目さ加減については、いかに突っ込まれようとも筆者、ただバルディオスの エンディングテーマを口ずさむばかりである。

Super Bajiquan (Others)

Since Fate Zero was the story of Emiya Kiritsugu and Kotomine Kirei, the final climactic battle of course would be a duel between the two. Based on earlier design decisions, Kiritsugu would wield fire arms, employ magecrafts such as Innate Time Control, and should be equipped with Avalon considering later developments. However, speaking of Kirei's arsenal, there was only Black Keys. This gave me quite a bit of headache.

But wait, there was Bajiquan. Only Bajiquan was left. Still, how should I write it?

In the Second Volume of Zero, I had to write Kirei's fight scene. I went back to square one: first I re-read The Smiling, Proud Wanderer, then I attempted to brainwash myself with Bruce Lee, Jet Lee and and Tony Jaa for inspiration. Finally, I had achieved an understanding and reached the realm of "amazing kungfu, truly amazing kungfu". What was left was merely finishing writing the scene in one go before I calmed down. Thus the VS. Iri and Maiya scene was born.

Also worth mentioning, in order to write the final battle at Fuyuki City Hall, I added The 36th Chamber of Shaolin and Storm Rider to my reference/brainwashing materials list.

Because of all this, if you poke fun of the fact that Kirei's Bajiquan was kind of random, I would just ignore you and keep humming the ending theme of Space Warrior Baldios.

(Forum Source)

[See also arai's translation here. No significant differences. Zero Material, like everything above.]

- その他、護身用として空手もどきを噛んでいる。

格闘技の先生は言峰で、キャスターを追い詰めた凜の連続攻撃はあのエセ神父じこみというワケだ。

「Fate」本編で一番出番の多い人物。

O, I found this while looking for Sakura stuff.

It is from Side Material, Rin's Bajiquan is from Kotomine, not "House Tohsaka martial arts".

[Red mine, highlighting the exact bit saying Kotomine taught her]

(Forum Source)

Stewardship of the Tōsaka inheritance         

それらの権益は、時臣の死後葵に相続され、さらに葵の死後に凛へと相続される段に なって、後見人である綺礼が実に愚直かつ大雑把な管理をしてくれたため、実入りのいい物件は大方が他人の手 に渡ってしまった。たぶん清貧を旨とする神父と しては教育上宜しくないとでも思ったのだろう。凛は二重の意味で言峰神父に報復ぽんちをしてい いと思う。

"The rights (to the Tohsaka lands) were inherited by Aoi after Tokiomi's death, and subsequently inherited by Rin after Aoi's death. However, under the foolhardy and coarse management of Rin's guardian Kirei, the majority of profitable properties ended up in the hands of others. "

(Forum Source)

- I can't really tell if Kotomine is just bad at business, or he is just doing it for the sake of trolling both generations of the Tohsakas.

たぶん清貧を旨とする神父と しては教育上宜しくないとでも思ったのだろう。

For some reason that makes me think it's the latter.

(Forum Source)

- "Perhaps the priest (Kotomine) believed that the wealth was bad for Rin's upbring, as he believed in the principle of humbleness and poverty. I think Rin should give Father Kotomine a fist of revenge both figuratively and literally."

(Forum Source)

Magecraft

"It was the only thing I was good at. I learned many magics, but this was the only one that fit me.

My magical aptitude is specialized in "opening wounds", for good or for bad.

(Fate, Day 3, Forest of No Return)

He Lies! About Lying!        

"Kotomine, you said you didn't know about him…"

"Do not doubt me. I am a priest. I cannot lie."

"…! That's not true! You said you couldn't ignore a Servant from the last war…!"

"Yes, I was surprised as well. I ordered Archer to stay here, but he disobeyed and went to attack you.

It is only natural for you to discover me if you investigate Archer. Therefore, I had to come up with some sort of a plan. See? I did not lie to you at all."

(Fate, Day 15, That Which Cannot Be Surrendered)

- “But I am sure the priest did not tell you because you did not ask him. He is a man who will answer you if you ask. He will tell you the truth if you inquire him about it."

(HF, Day 4, Holy Grail War, the beginning)

- “I could not kill you if you were to run away, but there will be no problem if you attack me.

I serve God, so I cannot kill someone who is pleading for their life.”

“---Heh, don't lie. You can't say that after attacking someone from behind.”

He must have remembered what happened with Lancer.

Kotomine laughs as if in admiration.

"Oh, yes. I hated you for that.”

(Fate, Day 15, stay Night (I))

[Compare also CM3 Q&A, where Nasu calls Kotomine telling Rin that he has a copy of the Grail “a priest's harmless lie”.]

Timeline

"...Kotomine Kirei. Born in 1967 …”

(Fate/Zero, Volume 1, Act 1, Part 2)

Q: Regarding Kotomine Kirei's life, could you disclose more details? Such as at what age did he graduate from the seminary, and at what age did he become an Executor.

A:  … At the age of 28, he lost his father Risei, and was given the position of a priest, albeit unofficially.

(10th Anniversary Q&A)

[That gives us a probable date of 1995 for F/Z, especially taken with the anime’s use of the same year. I’m fairly sure some stuff still contradicts this date, but it’s the best one we’ve got by a good way.]

10th Anniversary mini-bio

[一問一答]綺礼さんの経歴詳細1→父・璃正の元で十代の頃から代行者見習いとして修練を積む。22歳で神学校に進む。 同年、見習いから単身での実働に耐えうる代行者として二度目の洗礼を受ける。

[一問一答]綺礼さんの経歴詳細2→しかし、ある異端審問のおり妻を娶ったため、神学校を自己退職。正式な司祭職への道 を断念する。妻の死語、第八秘蹟回に籍を置き、代行者としての修練に専念。28歳の時、父・璃正を失い、非 公式ではあるが司祭職を与えられた。

[一問一答]綺礼の奥さん→奥さんはアルビノで、免疫機能が欠如した人でした。なので些細な傷でも死に繋がるし、体もボ ロボロでした。カレンに受け継がれたのは"病魔に憑かれやすい"という在り方。神の試練ですな ー。

[一問一答]綺礼は魔術師の家じゃないけどたまたま魔術回路を持ってたの?カレンにもあるの?1→魔術回路ですが、これ は一般人にも稀に持って生まれる人がいます。

[一問一答]成長が過ぎてからの極端な身長の伸びと魔術の使用には何らかの相関性があるの?→夢もロマンもない話をする と、僕にも分からないのである。                                         

(Forum Source)

Original Assassin Fight

Nasu:...There were many Command Spells on his arm. In fact, at one point there was this idea to present the effect of the Command Spells consumed to defeat Zouken in Fate/Stay Night with all the bells and whistles. With about ten Command Spells, even a human being can damage a Heroic Spirit. Ultimately I did not get the chance to do so. Mmm, True Assassin was not as reliable as I thought he would be (sweat drop).

(Forum Source; CM2)

- Ya, here it is from CM2. By the way, instead of burning the 10 Command Spells on killing True Assassin, Kotomine used it to exorcise Zouken in Fate/Stay Night. See highlighted.

あそこで死んだ人間が10年後も生きていただけですごいけどね。彼の腕には令呪が何個もあるん ですが、実は『stay night』本編で臓硯を倒す時に消費される令呪をガンガン効果的に表示しようというアイデアもあったんで す。たとえ生身の人間だったとしても、令呪を10個近く使えば英霊にダメージが与えられますから。でも結局は やる機会がなかった。ええ、思った以上に真アサシンが頼りなかったので(汗)。                                          

(Forum Source)        

Vs. Ciel

Takeuchi: Speaking of strength, who is stronger, Ciel or Kotomine?

Nasu: Ciel is overwhelmingly strong, due to her circuits, constitution and immortality. The strength of Kotomine at the time of Zero was due to his abnormally large number of Command Spells and his tenacity towards Kiritsugu. It was truly the brightest moment of his life. The Kotomine at that time could even win against Ciel.

(Forum Source; CM2)

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Sancraid

- /Hey Kotonoha, what is Sancraid’s 8th Sacrament secret technique?/

"魔術系統: 聖堂教会・第八秘蹟"

That explains everything!

(Forum Source)

- Sheeeeeeeet.

So the Assembly of the Eighth Sacrament has its own Magic System?

(Forum Source)

- Magic System: The Holy Church - Assembly of the 8th Sacrament

(Forum Source)

- Actually Sancraid is technically not counted as one of the 7 Masters but more of an extra. So they assume he's the rank-1 Master and he's like "LOL NOPE!" and they're like "omg then who is it!" and it's Manaka.

(Forum Source)

- You can tell from the Command Spell pictures posted.

Sancraid is the "Void" one.

(Forum Source)

-

- It does say in that wiki that Sancraid landed a "Void" spot because he is not a magus. However, you don't have to be a magus to have circuits.

Does he have a "Circuit Quantity" rank like the other Masters?

(Forum Source)

- "Average (some abnormality)"

Whatever that means

(Forum Source)

- That's good, so he can do magic-related stuff. He's just not an actual magus.

(Forum Source)

[See the Prototype pdf for much more about him generally]

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The Makiri/Matō         

Name

Q: Where did the Makiri clan originally emigrate from?

A: It’s said that they came from somewhere around Russia.

(CM3 Q&A, Characters, P135)

- 間桐 = matou

間 = ma

桐 = tou, but can also be read kiri

It's a pun! Kind of! Not really!                 

(Forum Source)                

- "Hm? Oh, it's just a play on words. It is to hide our identity, but we cannot use just anything. Even our false name has to tie in to our real name."        

(Heaven’s Feel, Day 4, Makiri’s End)

Residence

- The Makiri were assigned to a ground when they migrated here, but because they realized that the spiritual aura of the ground was not suitable for the family’s element, they shifted their base, the Matou residence, to a different place. The original spiritual leyline was protected by the Holy Church who intervened later. Today, it was at the top of the hill on which Fuyuki Church was built – that was the third spiritual leyline.

(Fate/Zero - Act 15)

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Zōken

Zouken is disintegrating because his soul had decayed over the 500 years, so even when he moves into a new body, the body will disintegrate right to the extent of his soul.

(Forum Source)

Never a Master

"No, Matou Zouken was never a Master. He is like a counselor for the Matou family ---- but he is a monster that lived for hundreds of years. He might have devised a plan to become a Master in a way we do not know of."

"…Then the one who made a contract with Caster after her Master was killed is…"

"Who knows? But he is not someone you can let your guard down against.

If he has taken the stage, he must believe his victory is certain. That means that the Matou family's Master has the support of the worst devil in Makiri history."

(Heaven’s Feel, Day 7, Shocking Mapo Tofu)

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Sakura

Magecraft

...凛と同じく生まれながらに高い魔術的素養を持っていた

Confirmed Sakura has identical intrinsic magical quality as Rin. She appeared the inferior magus due to Zouken's "adjustments" causing her unable to unleash her full potential. (I think this is referring to forcing another Element onto Sakura, etc.)

From CM2, Sakura's bio.

(Forum Source)

- Matou Sakura normally would have been a holder of the imaginary element of Emptiness. However, through her magic training, hers had been changed to the water alignment of the Matou line, so she couldn't exhibit her true talent.

Those magi with an origin that is strongly expressed outwardly are sometimes removed from the normal alignments and there are times that the origin itself becomes the alignment. Most of those magi exhibit their talents as extreme specialists.

Because of that, it's said that they can reach higher grounds than normal magi.

Imaginary Elements

Hollow: The alignment that Sakura was born with. Defined, in magery, as that "which is possible but is not in the physical plane". Also called imaginary numbers.

Nothing: Like Hollow, the alignment of an imaginary element. In magery, defined as that "which is not possible, but materializes". Has a different meaning that the "nothing" of physics and math.

[CM3]

- She has completely changed.

Her black outfit is her shadow.

She's covering her body with her own dark magical energy.

The amount and the presence of her magical energy is beyond human capabilities.

She's at the same level as pure heroic spirits, the Counter Guardians.

(Heaven’s Feel, Day 15, Death of a Saint)

Origin

- Rin realizes that the attacks are not from the black shadow, but a magic Sakura possesses.

That magic of Matou is to bind others.

But Sakura is originally from the Tohsaka family --- a shadow-user with an origin of the imaginary element, the imaginary number.

Matou Sakura is able to embody the black shadow to that degree because she has both of those attributes --- !

(HF, Day 14, Sacrilege - Sisters (VI))

[This may or may not be the Rakkyō Origin. CM3 notes that in magecraft the word ‘origin’ is sometimes used simply for a mage’s alignment.]

Birthday

Oh great, it's that confusing issue with Rin and Sakura's birthdays again.

Fate/Zero says Rin is Feb 4 and Sakura is April 2.

TM Ace article on Fate/Zero says Rin is Feb 3 and Sakura is March 2.

CM2 says Rin is Feb 4 and Sakura is March 2.

(Forum Source)

Alter Egos

- Kazuradrop [Alter Ego]

One of the Sakura Five members that didn't make it into the game. The Alter Ego of love. She's different from the other Alter Egos in that she doesn't hate humans, actually, she even holds some doubts over their existence, specifically, how contradictory it is. Kazuradrop is quiet and caring in nature, and has no real flaws as an AI; she wants to go back to being complete. Because she was pictured as a nurse, she's the most tidy and the youngest. Her combat ability is also nonexistent, and functions more as a virus detector. If the data retrieved from a bug doesn't resist, then she'll clean it and can turn it into something harmless. She loves injections and is a big health nut...... errr, you could probably guess by now why we didn't use her in the end. Since this Alter Ego's character was too similar to the Sakura Matou from the school infirmary, she was scrapped pretty much instantly. This was just an idea we wanted to push for in the planning stages, but there would've been a village inside a dungeon where the normal Sakuras would've been, and that's where you'd find Kazuradrop living too.

Kazuradrop: Welcome. This is a colony where the nonradical Sakuras come together.

Rin: Now this is ridiculous, this girl's personality is just way too different.

Kazuradrop: If you return the Sakura Drops that come from our source, we can supply you with items and recover your stamina. ♥

That's something like how this surprise development would go. Initially, Sakuraments were called "Sakura Drops", and they were something you'd collect that would be administered by Sakura in the infirmary to retake the security of the world. This is just one example of how they would come into play.

Kazuradrop's id_eses are "Identical Genetic Disgust" and "Insect Eater."

(Forum Source)

Violet [Alter Ego]

One of the Sakura Five members that didn't make it into the game. The Alter Ego of purity. She's the eldest among the quintet, and...... looks....... to be in her mid-20s. She sports long hair and a tight uniform, and has this quiet intellectual feeling to her as the "mature Sakura." Because her role on the Far Side of the Moon is much like that of the Minister of Finance, BB entrusted her control over the world's liquidity resource (mana); she rules over the vault of a megabank. Unlike the other Alter Egos, she doesn't possess quite as unique id_es skills (fetishisms), but that being the case, the level of how sturdy her body is is frighteningly high. She gives more of an impression of being a Servant, rather than an Alter Ego.

Her purity is one that takes the form of affection, and her motif being a desire to monopolize. Loving under a cold exterior, but still taciturn, cruel, and wanting nothing more than to be in complete dominance. She gave herself the simple name "Violet", further proof that compared to the other Alter Egos, she's not interested in playing games. Due to her being the Sakura of purity, her actions and words don't have a wide range of expression, but that's not to say she doesn't hold some interest for our protagonist. In fact, she wants to monopolize him, at the very least. What she seeks is "pure and proper companionship." You could say she's in charge of safeguarding morals on the Far Side.

Her id_es skills are "Shackling Desire" and "Crack Ice/Andromeda." Though she has an urge to chain down both her companion and herself, she does her utmost to keep that urge hidden, but of course, it's already evident to everyone around her. I mean, come on, her weapon's a whip for God's sake! Crack Ice is a pair of mystic eyes that paralyze its target. Even space itself falls victim to these eyes of enchantment. Point is: it stops time. It was planned she'd switch over to the protagonists' side and protect all the masters until the end of the game as a "good Alter Ego."

(Forum Source)

- Alter Ego C

Master:?

Real Name: Violet

Gender: Female

Height/Mass: 182cm/64kg

Attribute: Chaotic Good

STR: B

END: B

AGI: A+

MGI: B

LUK: B

NP: B

純潔のアルターエゴ。

Cはcash,cool,constrictionの意。

かつてはサクラ迷営内の財務を任されていた。

複数の女神の複合体で、ギリシャ神話の女怪メデューサ(元々は大地の女神)、インド神話のアプサラス、フラ ンスの伝承からメリジューヌ等のモデルが含まれている。

Alter Ego of chastity.

C means cash, cool, and constriction.

In the past was entrusted the financial affairs of the Sakura Camp.

A complex of many goddesses, Greece mythology's female monster Medusa (Originally an Earth Goddess), Indian mythology's Apsara, the model that comprises Melusine from French folktales.

Class Skills

クラックアイス EX

スキル「魔眼」がら進化したチートスキル。

通常の魔眼は ”対象を見つめる” "対象と目が合う” 事で発動し、麻痺・魅了・石化といった効果を発揮 するが、クラックアイスは ”ヴァイオレットが視界に納めた空間” そのものに発動する。その効果は麻痺。即ち、時間停止である。

麻痺した空間の中で動けるのはヴァイオレットだけだが、空間内の人間は意識があるため何が起きているのがを 把握する事はできる.                                          

Crack Ice EX

Cheat Skill evolved from Mystic Eyes.

Normally Mystic Eyes are invoked by "looking at the opponent," "eye contact with the opponent." Paralysis, Enchantment, and Petrification's effects are exhibited in this fashion. Crack Ice is "The space in Violet's field of vision is stored." That effect is paralysis. That is time stops.

Violet is the only one who can move in this space, humans are conscious and can figure out what is happening.

Personal Skills

束縛願望 A

戦闘において、拘束系の物理攻撃(麻痺・封じ・石化)が増すスキル。

ただし「縛り付ける」事を日常にしすぎている為、通常攻撃のダメージが10%低下する。

Shackled Desire A (Sounds Lewd but actually means Desire to Shackle)

A skill that increases physical restriction attacks (Paralysis, Sealing, Petrification) in battle.

However, "to tie" is a day to day activity, so normal attacks drop by 10%.

騎乗 EX

騎乗の才能。あらゆるものを乗りこなす。むしろ同化する。                                          

Riding EX

Talent of Riding. Can ride anything. Rather, just assimilates it.

        

                

変身 A

自らのカタチを変えるスキル。

ヴァイオレットは自在に繊維状の体に変身できるため、打撃系の攻撃ダメージを大きく削減できる 。

また、このスキルと騎乗スキルを組み合わせる事によって。。。                                          

Shapeshift A

Skill that allows one to change his form.

Violet can freely change herself into a fibrous shape. Strike system's attack damage is greatly reduced. (Is this Persona?)

In addition when this skill and the Riding Skill and combined in such a fashion...

NP: 未確認

Unconfirmed

(Forum Source)

- Alter Ego G

Real Name: King Protea

Gender: Female

Height/Weight: 30 - ?m/ ?kg

Alignment: Lawful Good

STR: EX

END: EX

AGI: A

MGI: D

LUK: B

NP: -

渇愛のアルターエゴ。

Gはgigantism,growing,greed,の意。

かつては虚数空間の果てで封印されていた。

アルターエゴは複数の女神の複合体だが、プロテアはあらゆる神話に共通する大母神のエッセンスから創られた 。彼女自身が宝具扱いである為、宝具は所持していない。

金色白面同様、複数のサーヴァントが一丸となって戦って初めて打倒できる災害。

Alter Ego of craving.

G means gigantism, growing, greed.

It was formerly sealed at the ends of the imaginary number space.

Alter Egos are complexes made from several goddesses, however Protea is created from the essence of the great Mother Goddess that is common throughout all mythologies. Her self can be treated as a Noble Phantasm as she does not possess a Noble Phantasm. As with the Golden White Face, she's a hazard that can only be overcome in battle through the combined strength of several servants.                                          

Class Skills

ヒュージスケール EX

スキル「自己改造」が暴走したチートスキル。

限界のない規模拡大を可能とする。レベルが上限に達すると自らの規格を巨大化させ、さらなるレベル上限を設 定。これを無限に繰り返す。無限増殖とも。

いずれは星を破壊する宇宙レベルの災害だが、巨大化すれ場するほど知性・機能の複雑化が失われていくだめ、 通常の知性体ではこのスキルに耐えられず、自己崩壊してしまう。

Huge Scale EX

A cheat skill that evolved from Self-Modification.

There is no limit to how large she can get. Once the upper limit is reached, the upper limit is further increased. This is infinitely repeated. Basically infinite growth of infinite growth.

Anywho, she's a planet destroying universe level disaster, but giant transformation makes her lose complex intelligence and function. Lifeforms with common sense cannot endure this skill , so one completely self-destructs.

グロウアップグロウ EX

スキル「経験値ボーナス」が暴走したチートスキル。

「経験値ボーナス」は戦闘によって得る経験値に何パーセントかの追加ボーナスが入るものだが、キングプロテ アはこのスキルをされにチート化、「常時、経験値を取得する」ものに変えてしまった。 Grow Up Grow EX

Cheat Skill evolving from Experience Point Bonus.

Experience Point Bonus allows one to gain a bonus percentage of experience points after a battle. King Protea's skill cheats and changes it to "Always gaining Experience Points."

Personal Skills

自己暗示 EX

自身にかける暗示。

精神攻撃への耐性をあげるスキルで、Aランクにまでなると ”私は歳を取らない=本当に老化が止まる ”レ ベルの思い込みが可能となる。EXレベルになると、もう心象世界では何がおきているか理解の外 である。

Self-Suggestion EX

Suggestion applied to oneself.

A skill that raises resistance against mental interference. At A rank "I do not age = Truly stops aging" level of assumption is possible. At EX level, whatever is going on in that mental world is outside of understanding.

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Shinji

How Matou Shinji came to be

Nasu: Shirou's intolerable friend. But he's not just an intolerable guy. He's a mistaken troublemaker with a distorted past. And we thought we needed a human-type friend character who devotes himself to his desires and does whatever he wants, like "if he became a Master, he'd abuse that power, right?". So Matou Shinji was born.

Takeuchi: In the sense that he's a normal person, this is a character who's in a familiar position to the readers.

Nasu: Though he's also a character with that sort of personality (laugh). Shinji doesn't have the ability or qualities of a magus, and has plenty of ability for a normal person. If he'd had someone by his side willing to be his sycophant, he'd be a man who gives off a pretty good impression.

Takeuchi: Like kind of an annoying Holmes. But there wasn't actually any sycophant, and Sakura was around causing his inferiority complex, so his heart became twisted.

Nasu: It became so that he couldn't sustain his self-worth except by scorning others. If he hadn't had any talents, he might not have gotten so warped. Just because of those talents, the awareness that "I'm better than other people" built up more and more. But beside him was Sakura who had the ability as a magus that he could never reach no matter how hard he tried, and in the Matou family that was a lineage of magi, he was treated as though he didn't exist because he didn't have that ability. So looking down on the people around him was the only way of life left for Shinji.

Takeuchi: I have no room to sympathize, but he had a real reason for being selfish...? Even Shin-chan has his pride.

Nasu: But the Matou house would have been more fun if Sakura treated him like dirt! We were talking about Gilgamesh earlier, and honestly, if someone like that became your Servant, most Masters would want out of there. You'd think "hell no, I ain't teaming up with this guy", right. But Shinji is just happy about it. "I'm the Master of someone this strong? Then I'm going to win."

Takeuchi: He's great, in a sense. In my case, if Gilgamesh appeared and said something like "use me as you wish", I'd immediately answer "please go away". Anyone would (laugh).

Nasu: But you could call that a strong point of oblivious Shinji, thinking of himself as equal with Gilgamesh who's unique even among Servants. Even though he's wrong, being able to fearlessly command Gilgamesh is a talent.

About Matou Shinji's design

Nasu: What I requested was simply the image of "the most handsome guy in school and a bit of a wannabe-stylish type".

Takeuchi: I took the order, and thought up a normal good-looking guy with creepy facial expressions, but he looked like Gilgamesh with his hair down, so it was changed to the current wakame hair.

Nasu: You could have given him a bit more of an unpleasant handsomeness though.

Takeuchi: It's strange. That's what I was going for, but eventually I noticed that rather than creepy handsome he became more of a madao (utterly good-for-nothing old guy) instead (laugh).

Shirou's friend Matou Shinji

Nasu: At school, Shinji's grades are always in the top five. His grades are good and he's the eldest son of a family with a mansion in Miyama, so it feels like he's always got girls hanging onto him. They probably wouldn't hang out with him in university, but during the high school period he's the perfect subject to squee over. Plus he has money.

Takeuchi: So it was about the money?! Ah, before and after the Grail War, did Shinji's mental state regarding Sakura or Shirou change?

Nasu: Because he was called "useless" just for the body he was born with, becoming a Master was the best thing that ever happened to him. Leaving Sakura aside, maybe he seriously wanted to team up with Shirou. When Shinji says "I'll use you", it means he appreciates you. On the other hand, when Sakura summoned Rider, he was sulking like "I guess the time has come". But when he saw that Sakura didn't want to, he took a chance with nothing to lose and said to Zouken "leave it to me, not someone with no motivation" and the response was unexpectedly "all right". A huge turnabout for Shinji. Still, when Shinji who wasn't a magus said to Rider "I'm your Master from now on" he ended up getting rejected. So he had Sakura make the "book of the false attendant", and became able to command the strong Servant Rider. From then on his mind was finally at ease. Then he felt more lenient, like he could forgive a few things. Because of this, in "stay night", he became twice as unpleasant as the usual Shinji. Actually, the normal Shinji is not so violent (laugh).

Takeuchi: He felt lenient, but he got worse? (laugh) Just how full of himself is Shinji?

Nasu: That's inevitable. Anyone would become arrogant if Rider became their Servant! That's all kinds of Heaven Condition. By the way, to Shinji Shirou is a rival, and at the same time he's the only man who will associate with him without ulterior motives. Even while calling Shirou an idiot, mentally he has a special view of him unrelated to like or dislike. You could say Shinji wants Shirou by his side, he's irreplaceable. It's unknown whether or not Shinji himself realizes it, but he looks at Shirou and thinks deep down "it must be nice to be able to live like that...". But in the story we needed a "easy-to-understand villain", so he became an ostentatiously bad character. I should have jotted down some line in the story like "he's an unpleasant guy, but he shines too".

Takeuchi: Shinji only survived in the Rin route where he messed around the most. Maybe it's more like a reward for trying so hard. It seems like he became better after that, right?

Nasu: Maybe because he became like "the Grail War is over, so I don't have to worry anymore". And he saw his own limits, and in particular Rin risked her life to save him (laugh).

Takeuchi: He grew up, huh. Someday the day will come when you too look back fondly on these days as a dark history... By the way, was his relationship with Sakura always like that?

Nasu: No, when Sakura was just someone who was adopted by the Matou family, he loved her even as he picked on her somewhat. But the moment he learned that the successor to the family was not him, but the outsider Sakura, the positions reversed. Like "the one who was feeling pity for the way the other was born wasn't me, but her?" At that time, he lashed out with feelings of shame and disgrace so much that he wanted to die.

Takeuchi: I feel a refined madao power in the way Shinji unconcernedly uses violence against women.

Nasu: Shinji is habitually violent against Sakura, so he's not opposed to using violence against women. Isn't it scary what people can get used to? So, like I said before, the reason Shinji is violent to Sakura is because he always subconsciously thinks "if I don't control her, then some random person is going to usurp the Matou family". Before he knew she was the successor, he picked on Sakura but still loved her somewhat, but once he learned the truth he was seized with the obsessive idea that "if I don't completely repress her, there's no place for me" and resorted to violence.

What you wanted to convey through the character Matou Shinji

Takeuchi: His position is an essential character in a romance that takes place in a school. His origin was that kind of "necessary for the story", but his unique flavour must be the reason he became a long-hated, and then beloved character.

Nasu: I already said this, but he's a normal person who attained great power and ran wild. In a sense, he is the character in the closest position to the reader. I wanted to convey that. But it's not "true". In the world of Fate, "true evil" refers to people like Kotomine who were broken from the start.

(Forum Source; originally from CM2)                                                                  

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Kariya

Capacity; Capability for supporting Servants                

- Not on Rin level, but Uncle Kariya sure as hell was not crap.

He would have been quite fine with a non-Berserker Lancelot according to Gen/Urobuchi (indicating he is perfectly capable of sustaining a powerful spirit), and lasting to near the end with a Berserker just shows how deep his reserves are.

(Forum Source)

Return to Sakura; Zōken collecting Grail fragments                

- It was in one of the Q&A. The question was like "how did Uncle Kariya slip into the Matou Residence to meet Sakura before he died?" The answer was like "Grandpa Zouken was too busy rushing to Ground Zero to get a chunk of Iri".

Oh God it was Zero Material.

(Forum Source)

Romance with Tokiomi

The Fate/Zero special/anthology sound dramas are silly things like Saber's high school romance adventure and Aoi coming to the conclusion that Kariya was actually gay for Tokiomi all along because he's always obsessing over him and never made a move on her.

(Forum Source)

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Roles of the three Founding Families

"The ones that created the Holy Grail. The ones that devised the Command Spell which abuses the heroic spirits. The ones that offered the land and the technique to bore a hole into the world."

(HF; Day 4; Holy Grail War, the beginning)

- "At that time, the Church and the Magic Association were in the middle of a bloody war. A far eastern land was chosen as the place for the ritual.

Einzbern must have invited Tohsaka in because Tohsaka was in charge of the land around here and their master was a master of summoning.

For Einzbern, the summoning of the Holy Grail would be impossible without the help of Tohsaka."

"But betrayal could easily occur with two families involved.

They must have thought three should be involved as they also brought in the Makiri family."

The Makiris are a family with history as well.

They were the family most skilled with familiars. It was they that came up with the Command Spell to bind the Servants."

"…And they worked together to summon the Holy Grail, but when they succeeded, what came after was bloody killing.

The first summoning of the Holy Grail ended while they were busy killing each other.

As generations passed, they made rules called the Holy Grail War and went back to cooperating, at least in form."

"Tohsaka provided this land and the system to model the Servants, and Makiri provided the Command Spell to bind these Servants.

And Einzbern supplies the vessel for the Holy Grail to dwell in.

That is the cooperation they decided on."                                          

(You’re my only star, Fate, Day 13)

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Kayneth Archibald El-Melloi

Volumen Hydragyrum

Volumen Hydragyrum - Marrow of the Moon Spirit

Though if you want literal, it is CSF, which is retarded sounding.

[CSF]

(Forum Source)

- It's just the translation of "月霊髄液".

On a side note, Waver inherited Volumen Hydragyrum and modified it into a kind of humanoid automaton that does chores, not too unlike the liquid metal Terminator.

Spinal Fluid of the Moon Spirit?

Bone Juice of the Moon Spirit?

(Forum Source)

- ちなみに後のエルメロイⅡ世は、この目霊髄液を改良進化させて多機能メイドゴーレムとして使役しているとか いないとか。簡単な家事雑役をこなせる程度の思 考力を持つものの、時々自分のことを未来から来た殺人兵器だと主張して暴走する困ったバグがあるらしい。よ ほど情操教育に有害な映画でも見せたんでしょう か。

This is one of the few instances where the power level of Lord El-Melloi II is mentioned. Apparently he tops Kaneth and is able to improve on Kaneth's wares.

(Forum Source - Page 092, Zero Material)

- Okay, I've calmed down. In case anybody was wondering:

時々自分のことを未来から来た殺人兵器だと主張して暴走する困ったバグがあるらしい。よ ほど情操教育に有害な映画でも見せたんでしょう か。

"It seems there's a troublesome bug that sometimes causes it to run out of control insisting that it's a killer robot from the future. Is it because of a harmful movie it was shown during its developmental stages?"

(Forum Source)

- That part is kind of half-joke, but the key thing is that Waver was able to grant intelligence to Volumen Hydragyrum (actually able to handle household chores), which was only a simple automaton under Kayneth. The "Lord" title for Waver is by no means hollow.

(Forum Source)

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Waver Velvet, Lord El-Melloi II

Waver Velvet (Person)

Third generation magus of the Velvet household. Though to put that in perspective, the first generation was his grandmother, who was the lover of a certain magus and picked up the very basics of magecraft from their pillow talk. The second generation, Waver’s mother, only dabbled as a way to honor her mother’s memory. Waver was the first member of his family to seriously follow the path of magecraft, which is why his circuit count and crest quality are both the lowest of the low.

Though his mother found the Association’s hierarchical system annoying and disapproved of her son seeking out tutelage from a proper mentor, Waver himself was strongly drawn to magecraft. As soon as both his parents died of illness, he gave away all of his family’s possessions, scraped together enough to cover tuition, and entered the Clock Tower without a penny to his name. ――As a result, nothing but hardship and failure awaited him, and he resorted to gambling everything on the Holy Grail War.

Though he doesn’t possess the prerequisites to actually practice magecraft, his power of observation and insight give him remarkable talent as a researcher. In fact, had he insisted that “Magecraft is a subculture!” and started a business as a critic, he could have taken the world by storm. But of course, he would have been obliterated by the Association, so his inborn talents took another form.

To use running as metaphor, though his leg strength is just the absolute worst, he is capable of imagining the perfect running form. While he can never be an athlete, his talent shines as a coach.

In the initial setting stage of Zero, before the writing started, he was a Nobita-like “King of Cowards”, an oasis of zero. By the end, his character had grown to the point you might mistake him as the protagonist.

(Forum Source - Zero Material)

[See also Volumen Hydragyrum.]

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Bazett         

Perfect Level 30 Bazett

奈須:

ですね。バゼットは出す気でいたけど、メインにまで持ち上げるかは未定でしたし。

カレンとバゼットは脇役として「Fate/hollow ataraxia」に出てもらって、経験値を稼いでもらってから次の話でメインに―――とか思ってましたし。

二人とも、初登場する時はレベル30のキャラとして出す予定だったのに、「Fate/hollow ataraxia」でレベル15の二人を出してしまったなあ、と。

--では、バゼットに次があるとしたら、その時は……?

奈須:

レベル30の、パーフェクトバゼットさんの登場でしょうね。もうへたれ子とは言わせない!(笑 )

[This basically says that Bazett’s outing in Hollow still showed her kind of as a support character, and she’d be ‘level 30’ instead of level 15 in her own game. That would make her Perfect Bazett.]

(Forum Source)

Fragarach

だがバゼットいや、フラガの血脈は頑なにあの剣を保管し、現代まで伝えきったのだ。

But Bazett - no, those of the Fraga bloodline have stubbornly kept charge of and handed down that sword until the present day.

(F/HA Entrans Source)

[It’s still referred to as a sword despite the usual appearance. This partly came up after we debated if Shirō could trace Fragarach.]

- The Noble Phantasm it has seems to be the type that's always on, because Fragarach activated right away.

Her aim was true, and her shot struck right in its heart, bringing that big mother down once and for all... or at least that's what should have happened. Instead, it'd completely revived ten seconds later and kept charging straight for us.

Back from the brink of death in perfect health.

In other words, a "body that knows no death" - that's the big mother's Noble Phantasm.

After she wasted her Fragarach on it, Bazett's whole body went rigid.

And with her frozen there as that monstrous thing came bearing down on her, I personally think it was awfully nice of me give her a little push out of harm's way via a flying kick to the side.

The pain. It felt like he barely grazed me, but that was enough to send me flying, too.

The big guy's sights are now set on me, standing right in its path, and I look up to see an axe the size of a Grecian pillar raised over my head.

To even think about eating a hit from that would be crazy, and my chances of slipping by unharmed were stupendously low. So then, when things were at their darkest, just as I was thinking that, ah, this must be what they call instant death,

who should come to my rescue but the very same Bazett I'd just kicked away from the big mother. She leveled her second Fragarach at its face and fired, striking it right between the eyes.

“Now's our chance! Come on, we're making a run for it...!”

Seems like she fired her second Fragarach not to kill, but to try and blind it.

But even a huge hole in its face didn't stop that big mother - or the axe it held. So that's when Bazett grabbed me by the hand and made a break for the forest.

(Hollow Ataraxia - 真・冒頭-05)

- /Yes but there was a point where God Hand wasn't on, right? Heracles only got it after completing the Twelve Labours, so it wasn't really activated for most of his life. The hypothetical scenario I was describing was one where the trump card had been active since the user's conception. Fragarach works by reversing causality and activating before the opponent's trump card does, right?/

Lol, that's an interesting way of looking at it.

Did Berserker keep getting nailed by Fraggle Rock have something to do with "Fraggle Rock kept setting the activation of God Hand to after Berserker was hit by it"?

(Forum Source)

[See also Berserker's entry for another theory on Berserker being weakened enough in Hollow for Fragarach to power through.]

- N: The “Spear of Striking Death Flight”. That one’s just pure, simple destructive power.

T: As expected. If you added on the concept of heart-piercing at long range too, then…

N: …it would end up being the ability of Lancer’s father. The ultimate version of Fragarach.

T: Eternal Force Blizzard! And the target dies. Around that level.

N: Naturally. Because the battles in mythology are freaking hax, right?

(Forum Source; CM2)        

- 「-アトゴウラ-」のランサー兄貴の血まみれ姿ですが、「どうしてセイバーとは傷痕が違うの? 」という質問 にお答えします。

唐突に実践してみましょう。木綿豆腐と爪楊枝を用意してください。

フラガラックは剣の刀身から放たれるレーザー(ビッグバイパーのレーザーと思いねえ)です。

これを爪楊枝に例えます。んじゃ、そっそくお豆腐に高速で撃ち込んでみましょう。

ぷつっと穴が開きましたね?(※実践できません)

これがセイバー戦です。きちんとフラガラックが「通り抜けた」場合なワケです。

では続いて、爪楊枝をお豆腐に刺した状態で、おもむろにジャンプしたり倒れたりしてみましょう 。

お豆腐は無惨な姿をさらす筈です。

これがランサー戦です。フラガラックが「刺さった瞬間」にバゼットが破れたので、フラガラック の軌道が斜め 上にはね上がってしまったワケです。

(ゲーム中でフラガラック本体が跳ね上がっているのはこの為)

[I originally pulled this from Bamboo Broom Diary 26/11/2005]

Take a toothpick and stab it into a piece of tofu real fast, get a little hole yeah. That's a Saber.

Take a toothpick and sort of let it lazily fall down through the tofu, rip that shit up, that's a Lancer.

Because Bazett got her tits kicked in by Gae Bolg and swung wide with her laser.

(Forum Source)

Vs Ciel

Q: また、協会屈指の実力者・バゼットと、教会でも最高クラスのシエルが戦ったらどっちが勝つんですか?

A. あとバゼットさんとシエル嬢ですが、ホロウの段階ではシエルの勝ちは動きません。

バゼットさんが開眼してフラガラックを使いこなせるようになるといい勝負になります。

(Comptiq, November 2006)

- Q: Also, who'd win in a fight between Bazett, a renowned powerhouse of the Association, and Ciel, top class in even the Association?

A: Oh, and regarding Bazett-san and Lady Ciel, Ciel'd still win at the point Bazett was in Hollow. Once Bazett awakens and masters Fragarach, it'll turn into a good match.

(Fuyuki translation)

- Well, there's always the question of why the editor equated the "Bazett that mastered Fragarach" to "Level 30 Bazett".

(Forum Source)

[McJon makes the reasonable point that the two high-powered versions of Bazett that Nasu’s mentioned don’t need to be the same. Especially since the level 30 thing is pretty light-hearted.]

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Alice

From what I can see, the girl is what people call a "ghost."

If she is indeed a cyber ghost, she'd have no bodily limitations to her magic output.

Without a brain to burn out, she would have no limits.

Even if her soul started to break apart, she would continue to spew magic until it all burnt out.

(Fate/EXTRA - Alive/Alice)

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Leo

                                                   

Looks like I misremembered it (it wasn't "I originally planned him to be a crossdressing girl" but "shit, I should have made him a crossdressing girl!")

(Forum Source)

- Code casts work in real life too (what....). Rin has a lot of her own but hides them so people don't steal them. If she sold the patents she'd be rich, this is "the blood of Tohsaka Tokiomi" (thanks Sakura)

-The devices Masters use to enter the moon cell usually double as life support machines for their bodies, if they enter by other means they're fucked and won't be able to go back even if they win

-There is a group of wizards who are like Interpol, or maybe Zenigata. ok

-Wizards still have crests, Rin and Leo have them.

(Forum Source; Blossom-Sensei mini-drama)

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Masters affecting Servant Capability         

- It's not Kiritsugu is uber, or LCK is less important than AGI or other status. Those are mostly just coincidence.

It all boils down to Kiritsugu does not have enough mana, and the status has got to give. It just happens that LCK takes the blow. Let's say Kiritsugu was an alcoholic with cirrhosis, then maybe CON would be the status that drops.

The gist is that, if you don't have enough mana, status and abilities will suffer. If you are not fighting on the hero's homeland, status and abilities will suffer. If the hero is unknown or forgotten, status and abilities will suffer.

You cannot do much about the hero's fame or geographical location if you have to summon the hero in Japan, however, if you are a good magus, you will get the best version of the hero you can get in Japan.

(Forum Source)

- This was already addressed, Kiritsugu summoned Sabre in Germany, thus "Culture Boost".

Emiya Shirou summoned Sabre in Japan, less "Culture Boost".

If both Kiritsugu and Rin each summons a Sabre in Japan, Rin's will absolutely be better.

It's canon that Rin maxed out Sabre in terms of what a magus can do.

(Forum Source)

-After some dictionary-humping and asking around, I think I got this.

"Her LCK status decreased since even Kiritsugu still could not provide sufficient magical energy, as a result the status was affected by the Master's way of life."

Two things:

1. "Way of life"/compatibility affects status.

2. If you have enough mana, compatibility penalties can be eliminated.

(Forum Source)

-  I wouldn't say it was translated wrong, per se, I just disagree with the nuance. If you wanted to get all super-literal it would be something like "As for her LCK lowering, it's because even Kiritsugu's magic power is insufficient, and she is being influenced by the Master's (not good) way of life."

See how there's not really a strong cause and effect there? You could interpret it that way, but I don't think you have to.

(Forum Source)

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The selection of Masters

/Actually, that's not true. The Grail picks the seven masters and gives them command spells, although how it does so is not clear. Even if there were five (or more) other masters with catalysts and the intention to perform the ritual, the three families would still get a slot. Also, in Zero everyone seems to have summoned their servant at the same time./

That would be incorrect. The process has already been made clear.

I bring your attention to Step 5, "Engraving of Command Mantra onto the Master".

The first sentence made it clear that the seats of Masters are "first come first served". There are no "Master spot reserved for the Three Houses". As soon as all 7 spots are filled, all the other candidates will become bench-warmers (note here that it is implied there are more than 7 individuals who get the "mark/bruise of the chosen" prior to the start of the war).

(Forum Source)

- マスターの座は早い者勝ちであり...

Starting from that sentence.

Step 5 Engraving the Master with Command Mantra

"The seat of the Master is provided on a first-come-first-served basis. At the instant seven Servants are summoned, all other candidates lose their opportunity to participate. Also, the successful summoner is awarded the Command Mantra corresponding to the Servant. The source of the Command Mantra is the Greater Grail."

/end Step 5

If you still doubt me, look up the phrase "早い者勝ち" on an online dictionary.

(Forum Source)

- You have to receive the "bruise/mark of the chosen" first. The mark acknowledges you as a candidate. The candidate then attempt to summon a Servant. A successful summoning acknowledges you as a Master, which will lead to the Command Mantra being carved.

The whole selection process is done by the Greater Grail.

(Forum Source)

- Same page has the candidate selection being done by the Grail in an earlier text, just, like food says, the text in step 5 implies it may select more than seven candidates.

(Forum Source)

- しかし中には第四次聖杯戦争における言峰綺礼のように全く目的意識のない者 を選ぶというイレギュラーも稀にある。

That actually answers the Kotomine question also.

So basically Kotomine was a rare exception, as normally a person with no goal will not get chosen. Probably "lol Angra Mainyu".

Also, greater grail entry:

 これがマスターを選定し、英霊にクラスを当てはめてサーヴァントとして招く。マスターを選出する基準は魔 術回路を備えた魔術師であること、英霊を召還す るに足る偉人・異端者であること、そしてより真摯に聖杯を必要とする者から優先的にマスターを 選抜する。加えて始まりの御三家は優先的に選出されるが、こ れは必ず選出されるようにシステム上の制限があるわけではなく、あくまでも聖杯戦争を創始したことから最も 聖杯を希求すると判断されているためである。し かし中には第四次聖杯戦争における言峰綺礼のように全く目的意識のない者を選ぶというイレギュラーも稀にあ る。

That does not claim "seat reservation". It simply says precedence are given (and this is not concrete either, as the precedence is given due to the logic that "the Three House founded the ritual, they must really desire it"), but there is no absolute inclusion of the Three Houses. A desperate desire can tramp the said precedence.

(Forum Source)

- But they are only participants now that the Holy Grail summoning has failed and its ownership became uncertain.

Now, their only role is to create the vessel of the Holy Grail.

The same goes for Tohsaka and Makiri. They are just families whose members have a higher likelihood of being chosen as Masters."

(HF, Day 4, Holy Grail War, the beginning)

- Q: By what criteria does the Holy Grail choose its Masters?

A: They have to be magi possessing magic circuits, be of sufficient stature to summon a Heroic Spirit, and be heretics, of a sort. Of course, the Three Houses take priority.

(CM3)

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Functions of the Master/Servant Path        

"It is the rule of Servants to fight to the death if your identity is discovered… but unfortunately, my Master is a coward. He's telling me to go back since you have evaded my lance."

(Fate, Day 3, Promised Sign)

- Right then…

"---Archer…? What do you mean, get away…?"

I notice Tohsaka's confused voice, and sense an intent to kill aimed from a faraway place.

"---"

Behind me.

I see the knight in red standing on a rooftop hundreds of meters away, readying his bow.

(UBW, Day 3, Archer's Shot)

-

Here. The bottom part of the page.

One of the function of the leyline (path) between Master and Servant is to sense each other's status. The other is the transfer of prana.

(Forum Source / CM3, Page 045)

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Command Spells

Design dependent on Master’s magical elements/attributes

GJ:マスターの身体に刻まれている“令呪”のデザインには、なにかこだわりがあるのでしょうか?

武内:令呪は魔術師の魔術特性を反映したデザインというコンセプトです。

士郎であれば剣、凛であれば調和というようなイメージでデザインされています。

(Seasons of Change)

Healing

Q.令呪はどこまで有効なのですか?例えば、もともと治癒スキルのないサーヴァントが瀕死の時、「一瞬で傷を完治しろ」と命令したらどうなるの?

(愛媛県/緑三閃)

A.治療スキルがない場合、傷をそのままにして「とりあえず動く」体として活動するかと。

傷口を魔力の糸でしばっている状態ですね。もちろん、令呪の効力が尽きた途端、使用前以上のダメージがかかります。

傷が治るワケでもないので、活動中は痛みもあり、能力も低下するかと。

一時的な「ゾンビ」状態とでも言いましょうか。

(Seasons of Change - Comptiq 2007-12)

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Timelines

Limited Grail War Duration

If you want to save her, endure for the duration of the Holy Grail War. The timing to open the gate, the completion of the Great Holy Grail, does not last long.

It has already been ten days since the war began. Judging from the past wars, this war should end in about four more days.

(Heaven’s Feel, Day 13, Confrontation with Zouken)

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Date of the Third Holy Grail War and the Second World War         

I would say 1938, actually. Since the "Holy Grail War" column says that the Third War was in the 1930s and on the eve of World War 2, which is kind of ambiguous. But then the "World History" column says that World War 2 broke out in 1938, so it's like, gee, I guess there's not actually any ambiguity at all, you know?

(Forum Source)

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(Forum Source - CM3 P007)

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Date of the Fourth Holy Grail War

"...Kotomine Kirei. Born in 1967 …”

(Fate/Zero, Volume 1, Act 1, Part 2)

Q: Regarding Kotomine Kirei's life, could you disclose more details? Such as at what age did he graduate from the seminary, and at what age did he become an Executor.

A:  … At the age of 28, he lost his father Risei, and was given the position of a priest, albeit unofficially.

(10th Anniversary Q&A)

[That gives us a probable date of 1995, especially taken with the anime’s use of the same year. I’m fairly sure some stuff still contradicts this date, but it’s the best one we’ve got by a good way.]

        

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Fifth War Servant Summoning Timeline         

Day 1 was January 31st, so Berserker was summoned sometime in November.

Give or take a couple of days, Sabre (the last Servant of the seven) was not summoned until Day 3.

(Forum Source)

- Hercules was the earliest Servant to be summoned. He was summoned more than one, no, more than two months prior to the Holy Grail War.

(From the Side Materials bit quoted in Herakles' entry above)

- Saber's [summoning] was the night of 2nd/3rd of February.

(Forum Source)

- For Caster, it is in Fate/Stay Night.

February 12th:

/It has been a month since she was summoned.

Since then, she has done her best to win./

So Caster must be summoned at around January 12th.

[This is UBW, Interlude 13-1, Princess]

For Rider, there is this from February 1st.

[quoting again]

Sakura takes out a dish from the back.

"----"

I think I saw a faint bruise on her wrist when she leaned forward.

[This is from Day 2, Breakfast]

There were no Command Spells on either of Sakura's hand, and at this point, the bruise was very likely the "Mark of the Chosen".

If so, then Rider's summoning can be narrowed down to sometime between February 1st and February 2nd.

(Forum Source)

[Incorrect conclusion]

- /"It's me. I'm sure you know, but tomorrow is the deadline, Rin.

It's a problem for me if you take it easy. There are only two remaining seats.

I must ensure all the Masters are arranged quickly."/

[Prologue, Day 1]

Wait, no. Rider was done before Archer. Assuming Lancer scouted everyone and leaving Tohsaka and Shirou last due to their late summonings, that would take Rider's summoning to some time between Lancer and Archer.

(Forum Source)

- From Assassin, February 15th:

/The fox gave me about twenty days' worth of magical energy. You should be able to tell when my limit is."

Saying so, the swordsman raises his right hand.

Inside his elegant kimono…

His white arm is transparent like glass./

[UBW, Day 16, Interlude 16-1, Unnamed Great Style]

This would take Assassin's Summoning Date to January 26th.

(Forum Source)

- "...Hm. Berserker was first, Caster was second. The rest are pretty much the same. Archer was yesterday, and Saber was summoned a few hours ago"

(Fate, Day 3, Kotomine Church - Decision)

-Gilgamesh: Last Heaven's Feel

Berserker: November the previous year.

Caster: About January 12th

Assassin: About January 26th

Lancer: ? Some time around here?

Rider: ? Some time around here?

Archer: January 31st

Sabre: February 2nd

True Assassin: February 4th

(Forum Source)

- Under "Fifth War Servant Summoning Timeline", there is no set date for Lancer's summoning. But we actually know the day he was summoned from HA, it's January 23rd.

http://i.imgur.com/KWGFLsa.jpg

I know "lolEclipse" but it doesn't contradict anything we know so it might as well be canon.

(Forum Source)

[From here.]

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Apocrypha Continuity

Not only are a lot of the details from the one-shot fundamentally incompatible with the setting of the novel, there's a goddamn timeline in the magazine spelling out all the stages the project went through to get to release that specifically labels the story in Type Moon Ace 7 as a non-canon short story.

(Forum Source)

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Meta-Commentary and Miscellaneous

Spin-offs And Their Own Worlds

bosel's blog                                                                                                   

>この世界における神話において二人が辿る結末は『stay night』でも『Fake』でも同じですが、過程は微妙に違うのです。

>作品ごとの違いをあえて分類するなら、

>Zeroは『stay nightと条件は同じだけど微妙に違う世界』

>Apocryphaは『途中までは同じだけど今は完全に別の世界』

>エルメロイの事件簿は『完全に同じ世界、ただし三田誠スパイスにより大気濃度がちょい違う濃 密魔術もの』

>そして『strange Fake』は『同じ条件、同じ結末を迎えていながら、なぜか完全に違う世界』

Stuff supposedly from the afterword where Nasu talks.

In regards to the myth that this world follows about the conclusion of these two people, even if Stay Night and Fake are the same, the process is subtlety different.

If I dared to classify the differences between each of the works:

Zero has "the same conditions as Stay Night but the worlds are slightly different."

Apo is "partially the same but is now a completely different world."

El-Melloi case files is "exactly the same however the thick Sanda Maokoto atmosphere makes for somewhat different, rich, magecraft things."

Then, Strange Fake is "the same conditions, the same conclusion was met, however for some reason the worlds are completely different."

So yeahhh... Enkidu's relationship with Gilgamesh very important.

For some of the stuff I don't know if he's talking about Gil and Enkidu anymore or if he's talking generally.

I'm just not going to even.

>奈須「こいよ成田、過去の設定なんか捨ててかかってこい!」

>成田「設定の齟齬なんて怖かねぇ!野郎、ぶっ壊してやる!」                                          

        

And then he said this to fuck us all.

(Forum Source)

- Nasu: "Come at me, Narita, just throw aside the worldbuilding of the past!"

Narita: "Contradictions don't scare me! Bastard, I'll completely destroy you!"

(Forum Source)

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The Early Wars

The first was conducted in a foolishly honest manner and failed right away because the three families fought for its exclusive right."

"So the rule was made starting with the second ritual.

Outsiders were called and made to fight for the Holy Grail.

Masters from outside the families were just an inconvenience after the Servants had been summoned, so it more efficient to have them killed in battle.

It was convenient for the three families because they could legitimately kill their collaborators."

...

The first one was a failure. Einzbern was defeated quickly in the second war.

(Heaven’s Feel, Day 15, Truth -- Angra Mainyu)

- "…And they worked together to summon the Holy Grail, but when they succeeded, what came after was bloody killing.

The first summoning of the Holy Grail ended while they were busy killing each other.

As generations passed, they made rules called the Holy Grail War and went back to cooperating, at least in form."

(Fate, Day 13, You’re my only star)

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The Supervision of the Wars by the Church

- The Magic Association dispatched a supervisor to caution them, but they only made it in time for the third Holy Grail War. The one dispatched then was my father. Do you understand now, boy?"

(Fate, Day 3, Alter Ego)

-Then, since the third Heaven's Feel, an agreement has been made so that we at the Holy Church would dispatch a supervisor.

...

"Under such conditions, last time, in the chaos of the World War, a meeting was held at a suitable time of the third Heaven's Feel and I, then a youngster, was appointed an important task. For the next battle, I would proceed to the land of Fuyuki to watch over your fight."

(Fate/Zero Volume 1, Prologue, 3 Years Ago)

The Necessity Of Paying A Visit

…I believe it was the rules to report here when one becomes a Master, right? It's a rule you invented, but I'll follow it this time."

(Fate, Day 3, Alter ego)

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Wishing on the Grail

So it was in Visual Material

Narita: Since the Holy Grail itself was only a clump of magical energy, wishing for "Saving the World" without specifying the method would not work. If Kiritsugu had no power or wealth, but knew "the method of Saving the World", it may be possible for the Grail to carry it out.... Kiritsugu was presented with such a vision of "what would happened if the World was saved" because Kiritsugu only knew of "sacrificing few for the benefit of many". However, since the Grail at this time was tainted by Angra Mainyu, Kiritsugu was presented with the most malicious imagery of his "saved World".

Narita: If "Saving the World" was wished upon the Grail as the Grail had presented, what would happen?

Mashin: It would certainly realize it a la The Monkey's Paw.

(Forum Source)

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Ryūdōji

柳洞寺【その他】

深山町の外れにある山寺。

その名の通り、龍脈に対する要石としての役割を持ち、冬木市にとって心臓とも言える場所。

その地下には一大空洞があり、中腹にある柳洞寺の池は、表向きの聖杯召喚場所となっている。

ちなみに、桜ルートのエピローグ後に大陥没し、復興に数年を要した。

……大空洞の崩壊、その最大の理由はアンリマユの消滅ではなく、凜がやりたい放題暴れ回ったせい。

さすが一成。

凜を仏敵と見なしていたあたり、柳洞 寺後継ぎに相応しい。

Ryuudou Temple 【Other】

A mountain temple on the outskirts of Miyama.

As the name suggests, it functions as the keystone of Fuyuki's leylines, and can be said to be the very heart of the city.

The temple's mountainside lake is an official Holy Grail summoning site, and beneath it lies an enourmous cavern.

Incidentally, the giant cave-in after the epilogue of the Sakura Route took several years to recover from.

...The primary reason for the cavern's collapse was not the disappearance of Angra Mainyu, but rather Rin's rampaging to her heart's content.

It's just as you thought, Issei.

To recognize Rin as an enemy of Buddhism, you truly are worthy of being Ryuudou Temple's successor.

(Forum Source - Side Material)

Protections         

Saber: "No, Rin, that is wrong. It would certainly be easy for a Master to gain control of that temple. But that mountain has a boundary field that is inconvenient for Masters."

Rin: "…? A boundary field that's inconvenient for us?"

"Yes. There is a spell on that mountain that tries to eliminate anything other than natural spirits. It has no effect on normal humans, but it is a dreadful place for us Servants."

"Eliminates anything other than natural spirits --- then that means Servants can't enter the mountain!"

“It is possible, but our abilities would degrade. It is much like receiving a Command Spell telling us not to go near that place."

"Then how is the Master at the Ryudou Temple maintaining its Servant?"

"There is no boundary field once you enter the temple. I hear that the boundary field was originally a border to protect the temple. The boundary field is only something that rejects people from outside, so it has no other powers."

"…Then if we make it inside, there's nothing that affects the Servant?

"…But that's strange. If you close the temple off like that, the ley line itself would stop. You would have to at least keep one way open or it couldn't be the center of the ley line, right?"

"Yes. If you think in terms of the temple, it cannot refuse those visiting through the proper entrance. It may be following on this idea, but I heard that the road leading to the temple does not have the boundary field. At that temple, only the main gate does not have the power to command us Servants."

(Fate, Day 6, A Strategy Meeting)

[My bold – seems to indicate that this was a pre-Caster development, something to do with the temple itself/its monks. Especially since this is before they've personally gone there, so Saber must know this from F/Z somehow]

- At a Servant-killing battlefield like Ryuudouji and with Caster's anti-sorcery defensive barrier, sorcery and Noble Phantasm power is decreased significantly.

[Bolding mine, fuyuki trans, Dengeki Hime 8]

[Based on this, it seems like there are two bounded fields – Ryūdōji's ancient one, and the one set up by Caster using Territory Creation. The ancient one covers the whole mountain, whilst Caster's is indeterminate. She can pull off teleporting Shirō in (Tiger Dojo 3), when he's standing outside on the steps (though she can still teleport when she's in town, so I don't know how much that's worth), and it seems like the defensive barrier wouldn't be much help to Assassin if it didn't extend at least a tiny bit beyond the grounds, given his liminal position.]

- "Yes. There is a strong boundary field against spirits on that mountain. My only option would be to enter from the front gate. …Since Archer has independent action as his class ability, I am sure he can manage to get in there by force."

(UBW, Day 10, Rin strikes back!)

- Ghosts of the dead are flying above like crows, and the trees are painted with invisible blood.

(UBW, Day 6, Interlude 6-1: Saber VS Assassin)

[Reference to the magical saturation of Ryūdō mountain]

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Nasu’s 'Gelman'

http://www3.plala.or.jp/takayuki/fate/fate.html

I'll make those first:

"Es läßt frei. Werkzeug" = "It lets go. Tool." Huh?

"Es erzählt. Mein Schatten, nimm sie" = "It tells (in the sense of it tells stories, not to tell someone something). My shadow, take them" Ok, "Es erzählt" sounds kinda weird, but it is correct.

"Gebühr Zweihaunder" = I think she ment Zweihänder, which is a Sword. Which means "Fee (yeah, like parking fee) Zweihänder". I am rolling on the floor right now.

"Es läßt frei. Eile Salve" = "It lets go. Haste. Barrage" I think he wanted to say someting like quick barrage, but he used a noun.

"Es befiehlt. Mein Atem schließt alles" = "It commands. My breath closes everything" = Ok. What.the.fuck. This sounds like some kind of nonsensical dadaist lyrics.

" Eine, Zwei. Rand verschwinden" = "One (of those), two. Boundary disappearing". Sounds weird.

"Welt. Ende" = "World. End" Sound pretty cool when you make a dramtic pause actually.

"Satz.

Du überlasst alles mir,

mein Schicksal uberlast alles deinem Schwert.

Das basiert auf dem Gral,

antwort wenn du diesem Wille und diesem Vernunftgrund folgt."

Ok, this is hillariously broken.

"Sentence (or set, but like a set of items. A noun.)

You give/leave everything to me

My destiny gives/leaves everything to your sword

This is based on the grail

Answer (the noun again, not a verb) if you want to follow this will and this (get a load of this) reason of reason"

(Jonnobi Source)

On to those:

"Anfang" - Start (noun). But she sometimes pronounces this as "Anhang" which means "attachment".

"Vertrag. Ein neuer Nagel. Ein neues Gesetz. Ein neues Verbrechen" - "Contract. A new nail. A new Law. A new Crime" - Doesn't sound too bad.

"Abzug. Bedienung. Mittelstand" - OH GOD AHAHA "Trigger (mostly only used for guns). Handling. Middle class". So she needs her social standing to cast spells?

"Es ist groß, es ist klein" - "It is big, it is small"

"Vox Gott es Atlas" - "Vox (what the hell) god it atlas" Huh?

"Minuten vor Schweißen" - "Minutes before welding" I almost forgot how broken these spells are.

"Vier Stil Erschießung" - "Four. Style. Shooting (Erschießen only means shooting to kill. "Ich erschieß dich" - "I shoot you dead", it's a noun once again, Nasu, the german language has verbs too, you know?)" I think it was supposed to mean something like 4th style of shooting.

"Neun, Acht, Sieben Stil schießt beschießen erschießung" - "Nine eight seven style shoots shooting (at something) shooting (someone dead, noun)" No comment

"Gewicht. Verdoppeln" - "Weight. Doubling"

"Das schließen. Vogelkäfig. Echo" - "The closing. Birdcage. Echo"

"Fixierung. Eile Salve" - "Fixation. Haste(noun again) barrage"

"Ein körper ist ein körper" - "A body is a body" Thanks, Rin!

"Acht Sieben Sechs. Ein Fluss, ein Halt" - "Eight seven six, a river, a stop"

"Fünf Drei Vier. Ein Riese und brennt, das ein Ende" - "Five three four. A giant and burns, this a end" He uses the wrong article there and forgot "ist", so this mistake is intentional

"Stark, groß Zwei" - "Strong, big two"

"Satz (see above)

Beklagter, meine Wörter werden geglaubt.

Weiß ist schwarz.

richtige übliche Peitsche

Die Vergeltung vom Himmel"

=

"Set

Defendant (in a court), my words will be believed.

White is black.

Correct (it is the correct one) usual whip

The retribution from heaven"

This is where it gets good:

"Auftrag wird ersetzt.

Das dritte Element wird als das erste gekennzeichnet.

Das Fleisch geht einmal zum Teil des Sternes zurück.

Sie fliegen,hoch,schnell,weit,zu morgen.

Nie zurück schauen

Es gibt niedrig, ist langsam, ist nah

und in die Vergangenheit.

Nie vorher betreten."

"Assignment is getting replaced.

The third element will be marked as the first.

The flesh goes back one time to a part of the star.

Never look back.

Ther is low, is slow, is close and in the past.

Never entered before"

"Gib dem wandernden Vogel das Trinkwasser, der vom langen Weg kommt.

Benutz den Vogelrahmen, in dem der Schlüssel nicht angewendet wird.

Ich spinne den Regenbogen in meinem selbst.

Heiteres Wetter, Regen, Wind, Schnee, Krieg, Ende, ununterbrochen.

Nimm an, ohne anderer Meinung zu sein, ohne zu fallen.

Es nimmt an ohne zu fürchten. ohne zu zweifeln.

Sieg im Freund, der auf eine Reise entfernt geht."

"Give the wandering bird drinking water, who came a long way (It's weird in german too.)

Use the bird frame (wtf) in which the key is not used (okay, what?)

I spin (meaning silk and other fabrics) the rainbow in my own self

Good weather, rain, wind, snow, war, end, without stopping.

Take it, without having a different opinion, without falling.

It assumes without fear, without doubt.

Victory in a friend, who goes on a journey removed (I think he meant to say "far away", but phrased it wrong)"

"Der Spiegelform wird fertig zum Transport!

Ja, meine Meisterin...!

Öffnunug des Kaleidoskopgatters!"

"The (male article is used here, it's wrong) form of the mirror gets ready for the transport.

Yes, my mistress.

Opening of the Kaleidoscope grid"

"Sesam, öffne dich!" "Open sesame". What the hell? This is correct!

And on to my personal favorite, the summoning ritual:

"Das material ist aus Silber und Eisen. - "The material is made out of silver and Iron"

Der Grundstein ist aus Stein - "The cornerstone is made out of stone"

und der Großherzog des Vertrag. -"And the Archduke of contract"

Der Ahn ist meiner größer Meister Schweinorg. - "The ancestor is mine biggest master Schweinorg (sounds weirder in german)

Schutz gegen einen heftiger Wind. - "The protection against a strong wind"

Schließ alles Tor, - "Close everything door"

Geh aus der Krone. - "Step out of the crown"

Zirkulier die Gabelung - "Circulate the forking" (This will be my new catchphrase)

Nach dem König. - "After the king"

Füll,Füll,Füll,Füll,Füll. - "Fill, fill, fill, fill, fill (imperative)

Es wird fünfmal wiederholt. - "It gets repeated five times"

Nur ist es die volle Zeit gebrochen. - "Now the full time is broken (I think he wanted to say "ANgebrochen" which would have meant "has come" instead of "is broken" in this context-

――Anfang - You know these already

――Satz.

Du überläßt alles mir, - "You leave to me"

Mein Schicksal überläßt alles deinen Schwert. - " My destiny leaves everything to your sword"

Das basiert auf dem Gral - "This is based on the Grail"

antwort wenn du diesem Wille und diesem Vernunftgrund folgt. - "Answer if you want to follow this will and this reason of reason (see above)"

Lieg des Gelüdbe hier. "The oath lies here (or something what the hell does this even mean?"

Ich bin die Güte der ganze Welt. - "I am the kindness of the whole world"

Ich bin das Böse der ganze Welt. - "I am the evil of the whole worl"

Du bist der Himmel - "You are the sky"

mit drei Wortseelen. - "With three word souls (wtf)"

komm,aus dem Kreis,der Unterdrückung der Schutzgeist der Balkenwaage!" "Come out of the circle of surpression, the protective spirit of the balance (Yes Nasu, this is a balance.. But I don't think you wanted to convey that.)

And the last one:

"Anfang

Beantworten sie die forderung des Abgeordneten

Boden: Zerstörung.

Strömung zum Blut

Blut zum Pergament

Abschrift"

"Start

Answer the claim of the member of the parliament

Floor: Destruction.

Flow to the blood

blood to the pergament

copy"

(Forum Source)

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Fate/Stay Night Length (by route)

Prologue: 676 pages, 2313 lines and 26246 words.

Fate: 9530 pages, 28056 lines and 299080 words.

UBW: 7221 pages, 22154 lines and 219495 words.

HF: 9206 pages, 37508 lines and 275774 words.

Strangely, I believed that HF is longer than Fate...

[The poster explains that this includes everywhere there is at least a single letter or number, does include Tiger Dojos, the word count doesn’t include choices, the page count includes pages without words and neither page nor word count includes the mini-theatres. The total is 26,633 pages, 90,031 lines, and 820,595 words.]

(Forum Source)

- I checked the file sizes myself. Fate is only the biggest if you give it the common route and not the others.

(Forum Source)

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Themes of F/SN

         

 奈須:『Fate』には3つのルートが存在します。全般を通していうと“自分との戦い”という テー マがあるのですが、各ルートごとにもテーマは存在します。1つめのルートは「理想のカタチ」。 次のルートは 、「理想の自分との対決と、その打破」。3つめ は「理想と現実の摩擦と、その返還」ですね。本作では各ルートごとにヒロインがいるのですが、 主人公は衛宮 士郎1人です。ある意味一番精神に問題のある彼 がどのように成長していくのかを描いていきます。最初のルートでは彼の凝り固まった考えを見せ て、次のルー トでその解決を描き、最後のルートではもう1つ の、人間としての解答を描いています。もっとも、『Fate』というゲーム上では段階として描 かれています が、どの結末も等価のものです。それぞれ違った カタチの解答、と思ってください。

Nasu: "Fate" has 3 routes. The theme throughout all of them is "a battle with oneself", but each route has its own theme as well. The first route is "the shape of the ideal". The next route is "confronting one's ideal self and defeating it". The third is "the friction between ideal and reality, and its restoration [TN: is this supposed to say 変換?]". Each route in this work has a heroine, but the protagonist is Emiya Shirou alone. The story depicts how he, who has the most emotional problems in a sense, grows. The first route shows his fanatical way of thinking, the second route shows a solution, and the final route shows another answer for him as a human. "Fate" is written as an escalating story from a game standpoint, but every ending is equal. Please think of them as different answers.

(Forum Source)

[From Dengeki Online. For another, non-BL-approved translation, see Comipress.]

- Nasu: "That's right, when I finished writing the Saber and Rin route all in one go, part of me thought the game wouldn't be settled unless I flipped it over. As the theme of Fate/stay night, if we assume the Saber route to be posing a question, the Rin route is the answer and the Sakura route is a practical application.

(Forum Source)

- That being the case, after I reread the original work during the script-making, I couldn’t help but be extremely interested. The main idea of this work, Prototype, was in the style of the ‘80s romance, or “A story of revolutionizing the world”.

This story was released in 2004 as “A story of revolutionizing oneself”, keeping the basic rules the same but massively different, Fate/Stay Night being the result. The large differences in purpose for obtaining the Holy Grail represent the changing of trends of the period, interesting.

(Forum Source; Nasu’s Prototype Material postscript)

- 奈須:『月姫』の場合もマルチエンディングを採用した んですが、あの時はどうしても話をまとめたいという気持ちがあって「月蝕」を最後に持っていった。

しかし、『Fate』の場合はライターとしてより大きな 物語を書きたいという気持ちが強かったので、単なるマルチエンディングにすると各ルートの濃度が薄くなってしまう。

それぞれのルートの点数が50点、50 点、50点という感じになってしまってどうしても飛躍できない。この問題をクリアするために、まずは70点のルートを作り、次に20点から始まって90点 になるルートを、そして最後に40点から初めて110点になる物語を目指そうと考えました。それぞれのルートで走る距離は同じなんだけれど、スタート地点 を徐々に高くすることによって最終地点ではMAXを振り切りたかった。これが出来るのなら、長い物語を作る意味があると思いました。

『Fate』について 具体的に話せば、最初のセイバールートというのはプレイヤーの共通認識を作るための基盤となる物語です。だから、世界のルールと主人公に関するおおまかな 説明はあるけれど、何故衛宮士郎という人間がここまで歪なのかという点については語られない。ただ「何となくこの主人公はおかしい」という予兆を出すに留 める。

二つ目の凛ルートでは共通認識を踏まえた上で、士郎に関する問題の真相を明かし、それを解決する方向に持っていく。ただ、それだけでは彼が人間とし て壊れているという問題までは解決しないので、最後の桜ルートでは応用編として、この歪な主人公がどうやって人間として成長するのか、羽化することができ るのかという問いへの回答を描きました。

そうやってユーザーを物語の最終到達地点へと運ぶことで、『Fate』という物語と各ヒロインの魅力を語ることが でき、衛宮士郎という人間の最終的な顛末も描けるはずだ―――そんな思いがありました。

(Netokaru source)

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HF True - “hypocrisy”; HF Normal - “the natural conclusion”

Nasu: Simple. I decided the story would unfold like this when I first started, and the characters would serve the theme of the story. It was only natural the story would end like this. Really, that was it. In fact, I thought the Normal End was the natural conclusion of Sakura Route. In the draft, the Normal End was the True End.

...

Nasu: Yes. It (Normal End) was the only conclusion considered at the time. However, after writing about 2/3 of it, I found that the story itself did not allow such a conclusion. After that, I wrote the original conclusion, and then followed the story and write the happy end. Since this was Shirou's tale of happiness after losing so much, even if Sabre and Ilya were lost, at least he should let Sakura achieve happiness. And this was the conclusion. Even though Sakura indirectly became a mass murderer, there was no reason to deny her of happiness. I came up with this idea that if one were alive, it was not bad to redeem him/herself while looking forward to happiness. Even though this was hypocrisy, I felt that the story itself strongly demanded this possibility. To be honest, it was the first time that I lost to the story I wrote.

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- 武内:桜ルートは、やってることは全てのルートの中で最も派手なのに何故か一番地味な印象を持たれてしまってるんですよね。

 テーマが難解なのと、ヒロインが地味だったからというのがあると思うんですが。

 奈須:桜ルートの後日談が奇を衒いすぎたと感じている部分があって、 あそこはもっとストレートにやるべきだったと今でも反省しています。

坂上:桜ルートの場合は純粋なハッピーエンドという感じではないですよね。

 他の作品も含めて、奈須さんはハッピーエンドという概念についてはどのように考えていらっしゃいますか。

 奈須:そこは凄くシンプルですね。初めにこういう物語を書こうと決めて、 登場人物がこのテーマで動くなら最終的にはこうなるだろうとイメージする。本当にそれだけなんですよ。

実のところ、桜ルートはノーマルエンドが当然の終わり方だと最初は思っていたんです。

プロットの段階ではノーマルエンドがトゥルーエンドになっていました。

坂上:ノーマルというのは、桜が帰ってこない士郎をおばあちゃんになっても待ち続けるというエンドですよね。

 奈須:そうです。当時はそれしか考えていなかったんですが、三分の二まで書いた辺りで、奈須きのこの欲望とは別に、 物語の方がこの締め方を許してくれないんじゃないかと思ったんです。

それで、ラストシーンまで書いてみて、そこで想定していたエンドにするか、物語の流れのままハッピーエンドにするかを決めることにしました。

 結局、これは士郎が色々なものを失った後で人間的な幸せを得る話だから、セイバーやイリヤが消えることになろうとも桜は幸せにならないといけないな、というところに着地しました。

 彼女は間接的にとはいえ大量殺人を犯してしまっているけれど、それで幸せになっちゃいけないというのはやはりおかしい。

 人間が生きていくのならば、罪の償いをしながらも同時に幸せを目指したっていいはずだと考えるようになりました。

それが偽善に映ったとしても、この物語はそれを求めてるはずだと強く感じたんですね。

いや、正直に言うと、自分の書いた物語の(無言の)圧力に負けるというのは初めての経験でした。

[Source: nicked off a Japanese message board. Not so reputable, I know. Above, food is mostly translating the latter half, but why not have all of it?]

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Last Episode        

/http://netokaru.com/?page_id=10854

Someone translate this.

Apparently this is the interview that mentions something about Archer and Last Episode. I knew that it was from somewhere. My balls ~> Untripped

But it's supposed to just be the interviewer or something./

No, it just talks about how Takeuchi was a douche, and making Nasu write a True End for Fate Route. nasu resisted, but gave in eventually. The basis for Last Episode was Shirou being the Tin Man in Alice in Wonderland. And just like the Tin Man, Shirou finished his quest and found his heart.

(Forum Source)

[Unfortunately, netokaru has been parked since and I didn’t save the Japanese in time. orz.]

- The notion of Last Episode being "an end of the entire story" or "Archer salvation end" has been around way before this interview. This interview is quite recent.

Also, I think Nasu is hinting here the Last Episode sequence occured after Fate Shirou had died, because Nasu compared the Shirou here to "a robot who finally became a human after he died, through the love of those who loved the way he lived."

It's kind of hard to tell if he is waxing poetics here or if this is literally what he is going for.

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Scrapped Routes

- Rejected Routes [Other]

Source: Fate/side material (2004-1-30), p.072 Fate Dictionary

Exactly what it sounds like. Route ideas that didn't make the cut.

In the beginning, the plan was for Fate/stay night to have four different routes, one for each heroine.

It would start off by letting the player arbitrarily choose between playing as either Shirou or Rin. Then around the middle of the story they would finally meet, and after that you would branch off into one of the four routes for the last half of the game. Yeah, I don't really understand how it was going to work either.

Anyway, getting back to the rejected routes, it goes without saying that the Illya route tops the list.

Besides that, there was also the "Rider route where you fight against Rin and Saber", and the "Caster route where Caster gets turned into a loli and becomes your partner".

While all traces of the Caster route were completely erased, the development where you teamed up with Rider was actually folded into part of the final story.

If the Illya route had made it into the game, the diversion point probably would have been on the ninth day of the Sakura route. Instead of choosing between being a superhero and choosing Sakura, there would be a third choice where you could choose Illya.

But unfortunately, as it stands that choice doesn't exist.

(McJon01’s Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Rejected Routes)

- A heroine candidate that vanished without a trace during the plotting stage.

...

Unfortunately, though, she had to be cut for the sake of keeping things manageable for the player.

After all, around this point, the plot itself was starting to stray. Not only Rider, but even Caster was a potential heroine candidate. It was terrifyingly chaotic.

Hmm? Fuji-nee? I don't know what you're talking about, Fuji-nee never had a main route even during the plotting stage.

(McJon01’s Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Stray Servant)

- Hey, did you know that originally Fate/stay night was going to have four routes? But, for some reason now there are only three. I wonder why…

(McJon01’s Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Why?)

- Nasu: "That's right, when I finished writing the Saber and Rin route all in one go, part of me thought the game wouldn't be settled unless I flipped it over. As the theme of Fate/stay night, if we assume the Saber route to be posing a question, the Rin route is the answer and the Sakura route is a practical application. In the beginning there were plans for an Illya route, but if we were to add it, the game would have wound up being incredibly huge. So we had this plan to release the Saber route and Rin route as "Fate/stay night", and the Illya route and Sakura route as "Fate/other night". But when we thought of the 8800 yen price, we decided we should include the Sakura route after all, so in the end, we decided to combine the Illya route and Sakura route into one route. So, although it had been finished during 2002, we took more time to reorganize the plot in January or February of the following year."

Then some stuff about how the readers said the transition between the original routes and HF was too sudden (because it was)

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[From Fate/Secret Book]

- During the plotting stage, she actually had her own route.

However, if we had tried to make it, it would have delayed the release of Fate/Stay Night by another half a year. Rest in peace, Illya route.

(McJon01’s Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Illyasviel Von Einzbern)

- Ah, it's so disappointing. A Caster route would have been great, dammit! Especially the part where you get stabbed in the back while having an affair with Rider…

(McJon01’s Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Caster)

- Originally there was going to be an option to accept his invitation to join forces in the Saber route, but tragically we ran out of time and were forced to cut it.

Ah, if we'd included that route (let's call it the "Shinji route"), players would have gotten to see a bit of Shinji's good side, but there was just no way. Please, find it in your hearts to forgive us!

(McJon01’s Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Matou Shinji)

[Fate getting locked down to four routes after plotting aside, I count at least seven concepted routes: Saber, Rin, Sakura, Ilya, Caster, Rider and Stray Servant. Shinji’s route might have been its own thing or part of the Rider route concept.]

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Hollow Ataraxia and DDD and the theme of ‘repair’

Nasu: Yes. Originally I wished to connect the world of DDD with Hollow, but the later proved to be too time-consuming, so I was not able to do so. As a result, I separated the themes of the two works completely. For Hollow, I endeavoured to achieve all I could through the medium of computer game; for DDD, I wrote down all I wanted to express at that time. DDD was the first novel written entirely for my personal interest since Kara no Kyoukai. I think it had a strong personal touch.

Murakami: For instance, in Fate, Shirou can repair objects, but this was not the true nature of his abilities. Furthermore, "repairing" itself is a process of returning the abnormal to normal. However, there is nothing normal in this World, and everything is abnormal. In order to survive, one cannot depend on "repair", but maintenance through "adjustments". This theme, I think, was best illustrated through the scene where DDD protagonist Ishizue Arika repaired Karyou Kaie's false hand.

Nasu: Thank you. I am very happy that you interpreted it this way.                                          

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Unlimited Codes Authorship

本作は、業務用ゲーム『Fate/unlimited codes』をPS2に移植したもの。TYPE-MOONの人気AVG『Fate/stay night』のキャラクターを操作して戦う3D対戦格闘ゲームで、1人プレイ時にはシナリオ担当・奈須きのこ氏が書き下ろしたストーリーが展開する

Anyway, Nasu wrote all the scenarios.

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EXTRA and CCC production info

- The reason for the delays is that the prototype more or less felt like a rehash of Extra. The company gave them an extension, so they decided to redo the environments and stuff from scratch, while Nasu expanded the scenario. He was confident that he could do it in two months, but was unable to make it, leading to another extension.

- Red Saber has sameface because they wanted to trick people into thinking that she was Arturia, and then surprise them when they played the game.

- The idea for CCC was hatched right after Extra went on sale, but was put on hold until they saw that people wanted a sequel

- According to Nasu, CCC is the seinen to FSN's shonen.

- There are no time limits like the previous game, since the Grail war system is gone. Instead the player can advance at his/her own pace.

- Gil was utterly broken when Nasu test-played the game (to the point that Gil was described as "Hax" mode on the Servant selection screen). He actually doesn't know if they're going to adjust the power balance or just stick with it. Gil belongs to no class because Nasu, after pondering what class to put him in, decided that "there's no need to constrain [Gil] like that anymore."

- BB "is not as bad a person as she seems." He wanted to take her in a different direction from yandere Dark Sakura; instead, BB is the "impish kohai."

- Jinako was actually a request from the staff; they wanted a "NEET girl." They already had the illustration done, so he took it from there.

- Otherwise, he has had far more free rein with CCC than Extra and was pretty much able to write whatever he pleased.

- Nasu says that this is more or less the finale for Fate, at least from him.

(Forum Source; TMA 8)

- In Extra there was originally a plan for Rin/Rani to become a pseudo-servant and fight for you (???) but it was rejected. Sakura regrets not being able to see Nee-sa-- I mean Tohsaka-san in a Lancer outfit.

- Code casts work in real life too (what....). Rin has a lot of her own but hides them so people don't steal them. If she sold the patents she'd be rich, this is "the blood of Tohsaka Tokiomi" (thanks Sakura)

-The devices Masters use to enter the moon cell usually double as life support machines for their bodies, if they enter by other means they're fucked and won't be able to go back even if they win

-There is a group of wizards who are like Interpol, or maybe Zenigata. ok

-Wizards still have crests, Rin and Leo have them.

(Forum Source; Blossom-Sensei mini-drama)

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Strange Fake Production Info

Narita's afterword                                                                                                           

Fateファンの皆様の中には「これ、FATE本編よりも後の話だけど、どのルートの未来なの?」と思う方 に多いかと思います。それに関しては、なんとも言いがたいと申しますか、「偽典ゆえの謎ルート」という事で 、皆さんの御想像に委ね形になります

Which route does strange fake follow?

Mystery non-existent route.

Almost mistook 偽典 for apocrypha.

Fateの世界観だけじゃなく、月姫とかの設定も入れ込みたい。奈須きのこの庭で遊びたい。というか禅僧になってきのこ寺の庭で宇宙とか表現し たい。                                          

        

Narita wants to play in Nasu's garden. And he wants to not just play with Fate but also with Tsukihime stuff in strange fake.

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Fame and Type-Moon’s selection of Servants         

旧「Fate」で"世界英雄大戦"をやると決めたとき、一番強そうでメジャーな英雄としてヘラクレスがいま した。「なら、一番マイナーで一番古い英雄は?」という流れとなって目を付けたのがギルガメッシュでした。 他にも候補はいたのですが、名前自体が持つ強さ、逸話も面白いし、なによりも最強に相応しいと思って。ギル のイメージは、その時からブレていませんね。

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-He's saying that, when they were brainstorming the heroes, they came up with Heracles for the strongest, most well-known hero. Then, when trying to come up with the oldest, most obscure hero, they went for Gilgamesh. There were other candidates, but they liked his strong-sounding name and his myth. Conceptually, their Gilgamesh has changed very little since they first came up with him.

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Fate/Zero Anime Visual Guide 2 Info

Vampire bee guy isn't Od Volsack, he's Odd Borzak

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- The very first thing Nasu has to say about the Bee Vampire is that his fashion sense sucks.         (Forum Source)                                        

- So after all that confusion, it turns out that Shirley was the only one that turned into a legit Dead Apostle, and the villagers had all turned into Ghouls.

(Forum Source)

- / Wonder if we get an explanation for the Kiritsugu/Kotomine fight being set in the Batcave?/

 Oh, and they said it's an homage to the Dark Knight that's there just because. Essentially.         

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F/Z Translation Errors

/"This hotel, as Kayneth's stronghold, must have undergone complete renovation. Not the material type of renovation, but a fortification through magecraft. In this building totaling thirty-two floors, Kayneth's bounded field covers twenty-four floors. This place can be called a castle of magecraft. In addition, there are three magical furnaces for Kayneth's exclusive use, and in place of hounds there have been summoned ten-odd evil spirits and apparitions. There isn't even a flaw in the drainage pipes; Kayneth completely covered the area underneath the hall with his bounded field."/

金額にものを言わせてフロアひとつを借り切ったのは、ここを活動の拠点として徹底的に改装する必要があった からだ。もちろん物質的な意味ではなく、魔術的な強化である。この三二階にケイネスが敷いた結界の数は二四 層。まさに魔術城壁とも言うべき備えである。さらに彼専用の魔力炉を三器と、猟犬代わりに召還しておいた悪 霊、魍魎が数十体。

トラップにもぬかりはなく、廊下の一部には異界化させている空間まである。

I think something went terribly, terribly wrong in the winding path from Japanese to Chinese to English.

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- Well I just looked at that part on BT and apparently the Chinese fucked it up enough where "multiple traps and openings to other worlds" was translated as "even the drainage pipes underneath the hall are covered by his boundary field."

The quote is "トラップにもぬかりはなく、廊下の一部には異界化させている空間まである。"

So unless the Japanese call the plumbing between floors the Twilight Zone, it says parts of the halls do open up into a sort of underworld or spiritual realm.

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- Actually using my almost almost non existant Kanji skills I think the Chinese translated it correctly, it was from Chinese to english that something happened.

vol 2 chinese

在陷阱方面也是極盡苦心,他甚至將走廊下的一部分空間改造為異世界

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Aksys’ Extra translation

Original was this:

"Still, in my hometown, I was a pretty well-known spirit hacker. But who would've thought…

that Tohsaka would be participating. This Holy Grail War is a pretty big deal."

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- /So is Extra Rider really in Avalon or was that more fanon?/

It was drawing a parallel about their separate legends that involve returning from the land of the dead to come to England's defense. Arthur from Avalon, and Drake from "across the ocean". Aksys derped and ended up sticking both of them in Avalon because they can't into lists of things.

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: But if that's the role the Moon Cell wished for me, it would be silly to complain.

(Fate/EXTRA; Last Day; Suspended Esoterica)

 

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Aksys you're the worst.

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- "It's not like I'm going to write 'the moon cell wouldn't give me any more of a role than that' in my diary or anything."

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- /Riding for ships is Riding.

Voyager of the Storm is Charisma + Military Tactics for ships./

You got Aksys'd

                                                  

English Matrix        

Rider on the Storm [A+]

Compels those who serve her to do as she commands.

                                         

Japanese Matrix

嵐の航海者[A+]

船と認識されるものを駆る才能。

The english is missing this really big chunk.

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- /How would you translate it?/

Talent that lets one drive something recognized as a boat.

Replace drive with word that sounds more boat-y like and has a more forceful connotation. Inno I'm not rich enough to sail.                                                 

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[To be clear, this is not the entirety of the Japanese Matrix that You is reproducing, just the bit where Aksys skipped a chunk of the meaning about it letting Drake sail too.]

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Nasuverse Magic

Magus Characters

The true Emiya magecraft and its users         

Guy got a Sealing Designation even though he was just a fourth generation magus, evaded enforcers for about twenty years even though he was being actively hunted the entire time, managed to reduce the resistance on his family's personal acceleration/stagnation magecraft to almost zero, and was planning to create some kind of compressed bounded field where he'd infinitely accelerate the flow of time to watch the end of the universe.

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[Zero Material; we now have a full translation in this thread]

- [Kiritsugu] got 20% of the Emiya crest, the other 80% was sealed by the Association. But what he specifically got was the "dregs", i.e., what the Association felt wasn't worth "preserving".

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- the important parts were confiscated by the Association and only a ‘fragment’ of barely half the original amount was allowed for Emiya Kiritsugu to inherit.

(Fate/Zero Volume 4, Interlude)

[McJon’s post on the forum was in response to someone talking about this ‘half’ inheritance. Whether this is an issue with consistency, with the F/Z translation, with McJon not checking his sources or something else, I do not know].

- Kiritsugu, traversing the corridors, felt that his whole body was being devoured by the after

effects of using his magecraft.

The skill he used to dodge Kayneth’s Mystic Code just then wasn’t a basic physical enchantment. It was an advanced magecraft with a greater range of utility – and obviously with far stronger side effects.

The ability to separate the passage of time inside a designated space from the "flow of time" in the outside world; in some ways, Time Manipulation can be regarded as a type of Reality Marble. Although it is classified as a greater magecraft, it is definitely not "magic" which cannot be replicated. Compared to "time modification", which can reverse cause and effect and change the past, this is merely the magecraft of "time adjustment" that can stagnate the time that had passed and accelerate the time in the future. Therefore, it is not a magecraft of extraordinary difficulty.

The only problem one needs to consider is the size of the bounded field and the scope of time

that needs to be modified.

Kiritsugu’s root, the Emiya family, spent generations researching and seeking the magecraft that controls time. The magic crests existing on Kiritsugu’s back inherited the fruits of research from generations of men. But the amount of prana one needs to spend and the rituals needed in preparation to activate this kind of magecraft rivals in magnitude with the greater magecrafts. Therefore, it has to be prepared and used strategically. For Kiritsugu, who made up his strategies to just survive on the battlefield, it was originally a rather useless inheritance.

However, to use the "time control" ability he’s inherited at the maximum, Kiritsugu created a flexible way of utilizing this magecraft at a very small scale.

A method that kept the scope of the bounded field within the practitioner’s body made it easier to establish a Reality Marble. Although it is impossible to completely isolate the flesh from the outside world, it can minimize the affect the outside world has on the body. Within this minimal bounded field, he "adjusts" just a few seconds of time; this is the magecraft that Emiya Kiritsugu created, Innate Time Control.

For example, when he fought Kayneth just then, Kirtsugu "sped up" his blood flow, haemoglobin metabolism, and muscle movement all at the same time. All that’s left is to use his quick reaction time to dodge the attack after he easily predicted the track the mercury whips would take. Kiritsugu is capable of accomplishing physical feats impossible for ordinary humans after he accelerated the time inside his body.

The biggest problem for this magecraft is the huge burden on the body.

The craft of time modification inevitably creates errors between the time within and without the bounded field. This error would immediately be corrected by natural forces when the bounded field is removed. That is, the "world’s own adjustment". Of course, this adjustment can only happen where "errors have occurred", which means inside Kiritsugu’s bounded field – his physical body. Adjustments have occurred in his flesh to get back in sync with the normal time flow.

Death is the accompanying danger born from using magecraft, but Innate Time Control is

above all Kiritsugu's riskiest technique. Just now, it was as though he was tightrope walking

while his flesh was being shredded.

[Fate/Zero, Volume 2, Act 6, Part 4]

- The sorcery of the Emiya family involves accelerating or stagnating the flow of time within a reality marble, without interference from the world.

(McJon01's Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Zero Material - Emiya Norikata)

- animation materials I Glossary

みずからの体内を固有結界と化して、体内時間を自在に操るという、切嗣の我流魔術。

Converts one's body into a Reality Marble. Can freely manipulate time within the body. Kiritsugu's self-made magecraft.                                                 

(Forum Source)

[Yes, by all indications, it’s actually an RM and the secret to unlocking your Innate Bounded Field can be passed down.]

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The Barthomeloi

Barthomeloi/Almighty/Old line even in the Magic Association. One of the families of the rulers, the Lords. Embodiments of perfectionism and aristocracy

(CM3)

- I jest, but her Element is Wind and her Attribute is really Omnipotent, that's no joke. She also has the unique "Blue Blood" circuit.

(Forum Source)

- Humanity is almighty more accurately means "humanity can do anything". Not that humanity is all-powerful. It's just a translation artifact. … Barthomeloi's attribute is almighty because they're awesome at everything.

Japanese just uses that word slightly differently than we do.

(Forum Source)

- A battle should be won even during its process. Wasn't that the policy of the Barthomelois?

"Do not misunderstand. This is not a trial nor a battle."

Leaving the battalion behind, the girl walked upon the lake.

In the Clock Tower, there's a young queen.

The current head of the renowned Barthomelois. Even though she hasn't arrived at magic, she has the

talent to almost reach the level of a miracle with just sorcery. If it was just magical circuits, Lorelei

was said to even surpass the school's headmaster.

Although she literally reigns supreme over the Clock Tower, but she had a bad habit.

No, maybe it wasn't her's, but a problem with all of Barthomelois.

They see vampires as their enemies without exceptions.

Even the girl herself didn't know where that hatred comes from.

That was an obsession greater than any of the Barthomelois in the past, and an emotion that she had

no control over.

The Queen - The Supreme Mage of the Present Era, a holy maiden who equals the strength of the 27

Dead Apostle Ancestors by herself.

(Miscellanea I culled from Prelude)

- 出典/the dark six (仮名)

魔術協会におけるアルズベリ監察連盟のリーダー…

なのだが、貴族主義がいきすぎて他の魔術師たちと協力する事がない為、リーダーでありながら孤立している困 ったちゃん。

特殊な成長過程を送った為、家庭的なものに興味、耐性がない。

本人自身、”その人間の人格より、その特性を評価する”という主義なので、強力な

タレント

特殊能力

を持つ人間にはそれなりに関心を持つ。

徹底した貴族主義なこの人物は、しかし、自分たちのみが貴い血族と信じているが故に、他の貴族たちなどどう でもいいのだ。

ローレライにとっては労働階級も支配階級も同じもの。その中で特筆すべき物があるとすれば、そ れは生まれ ではなく授けら れた個別の能力だろう、という事らしい。

典型的な、とことん人間性を排したお嬢さまキャラとして登場。今のところ、メインヒロインの一人として考え られているとかいないとか。                                                    

Source/ the dark six (tentative)

Leader of the Magecraft Association's Aylesbury Investigation Committee....

Since she takes aristocratism to an extreme she will not cooperate with other magi, so she is a leader and also a isolated troublesome person.

Because she had a unique education, she is not interested and has low tolerance to homely things.

The person herself says “A person’s special characteristic is worth more than her personality,” as her principle, so she possess an interest in humans with powerful

talent

special abilities.

Her personality is aristocratism through and through, however, she believes in only her precious kin, therefore other nobles and the like are inconsequential.

As far as Lorelei is concerned the ruling class and the working class is equal. It is worthy of noting it would seem this is not an individual ability that she was born with but one she was granted.

The appearance of an archetypical Ojou-sama character who has thrown away her humanity. Currently considering if she will be one of the main heroines or not.

(Forum Source; from the Character Material bio)

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Merlin

- "That one…? Wow, it's rare for you to address somebody like that."

"He is an exception. He was an ancient man. I respected him and loved him. But at the same time, he was the cause of every trouble. It would have been a better age if he were not as mischievous."

"…Wow. That's some way to put it. He sounds like a real bad guy."

"He was. Worse still, he was weak against love affairs, or should I say full of love? Well, that led to the downfall that caused him to be confined. But knowing that old man, I am sure he is still casually talking about love."

(UBW, Day 10, Night Training)

- Uther had Merlin give his successor this "dragon factor" so Saber has the mana of a dragon.

(Forum Source)

- Well no, the wording was more like "he made a successor who had the dragon factor" so it sounds like she was born with it.

(Forum Source)

- The king believed the magus's prophecy and yearned for the birth of his appointed successor.

The king fell into despair, but the magus was delighted.

The sex of the one who would become king had never mattered.

He was confident that the fact of the girl being separated from the castle until the day of the prophecy was proof that she would become king.

(Fate, Day 11, The King’s Memories)

- The only ones who knew that the king was just a girl were her father and the magus.

She literally covered herself in steel and sealed that truth for all her life.

He also said that she would be resented by all humanity and die a miserable death.

She could not have been without fear.

Because the magus showed her.

The end she would face if she took the sword.

"--- No."

But that just made the girl more determined.

She nodded firmly, even when she was shown her future.

(Fate, Day 13, The King’s Memories)

- She grew up under the guidance of the True Magician Merlin

(CM3, P20)

[Seems like he’s suspiciously good with the manipulation of time. If he is a True Magician, then my guess is that his Magic is the Second, assuming I’m right in thinking that the Fifth wasn’t around at that point (not, I suppose, that this would necessarily be a barrier to a time-traveller, anyway). Does Artoria’s dragon Circuit which Merlin helped impress into her being seven-coloured/prismatic point to another connection with the Second, since Zelretch seems to have his own associations with prisms and light refraction? - e.g. the Gem Sword ‘emits seven prismatic colours, extraordinary power surging from its core’.]

- Given that "Merlin is a true magician" blatantly contradicts the way that CM3 itself continues to treat the users of the 1st and 4th as total blanks, and that Nasu himself has only ever called him a magus, I'm pretty comfortable betting that it was just some editor not being as rigorous with the super-special Nasu vocabulary as he should have been.

(Forum Source)

- "Fortunately, King Arthur had a magus called Merlin. He was a crossbreed with an Incubus, so it must have been a piece of cake for him to disguise King Arthur's sex or to arrange for a child that should never have been born."

(Fate, Day 13, Saber’s Contradiction)

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Natalia Kaminski        

ナタリア・カミンスキー【人名】

...ヤング切嗣に度重なるセクハラを仕掛けておきながら、決して精を食らうことをしなかったのは、ちょっ ぴり本気な恋慕の情があった故で、そんな 乙女心を秘め持った姐さんでもあった。

Natalya Kaminski (Kirisugu's Master)

"Although Natalya repeatedly sexually harassed Young Kiritsugu, she never ate his semen. It was because there was a sprinkle of true love in their relationship. However, Natalya was the kind of big sis who could hide this kind of girlish feelings within her heart."

(Forum Source)

- It's kind of weird. Natalya has Succubus blood in her, so she treats sex as a kind "work" she does to replenish prana. The partner is nothing more than an object, a mana tank.

She loves Kiritsugu, so she doesn't want to treat Kiritsugu like an object.

Then she falls into this kind of logic of "I love you, so no sex for you".

That's Nasu romance for you. Deal with it.

(Forum Source)

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Maiya         

Magecraft

魔術の腕前は黒桐鮮花より少し優れている程度だったが、いかに粗末な道具でも致命的な手段として活用できる のがプロの殺し屋であり、その意味では充分に『危険な魔術』の使い手だった。

"In terms of skills in magcraft, Maiya is only slightly better than Kokuto Azaka. However, she is a professional killer who can wield even the crudest weapons to deadly effect. In this sense, she is enough to be called a user of 'deadly magecraft'."

(Forum Source)

Relationship With Kiritsugu

 幼 少期、徹底的に人間性を剥奪されたまま育ったせいで、確立された個人の自我という ものを持ち合わせていない舞弥は、自らの全てを衛宮切嗣に帰属するものと認識している。彼女に 切嗣を愛して いるかと問うのは、内臓に脳を愛しているかと問 うのと同義であり、そもそも質問として意味がない。

また切嗣にとっては、妻を聖杯完成のための犠牲にするというのは、誰がなんと言おう とも『妻の愛惜に対する裏切り』であり、その裏切りにおいて躊躇しない自分を必要としていた。 彼にとって舞 弥との肉体関係は裏切りの予行演習であり、自ら を強く保つための一種の自虐行為だったのだろう。浮気の理由としては下の下だが、当の舞弥がそ れを良しとし ているものだから、もう限りなくネガティブスパ イラルである。

"Because she spent her childhood in an environment deprived of humanity, Maiya, who lacks a sense of self, considers that her entire being belongs to Kiritsugu Emiya. Asking whether she loves Kiritsugu is like asking whether the innards love the brain. The question itself is meaningless.

Also, to Kiritsugu, allowing his wife to sacrifice herself and complete the Grail is a betrayal towards her love, no matter what others say. However, it is necessary that he does not hesitate in this betrayal. To Kiritsugu, his sexual relationship with Maiya is a rehearsal before this betrayal, a form of self-abuse to steel his nerves while walking down this path. This is probably the sorriest excuse to have an affair, but Maiya treasured every second of it. It is essentially a negative spiral downward without an end."

(Forum Source)

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‘Normal’ Magecraft

The Magic Association

/ Which MA departments do we know, and what do they do? /                                                

Mineralogy (Gem-ish magic)

Evocation (similar to summoning???, Kayneth was the head of this I think)

Channelling (I don't even know)

Universal Research ("worldwide and historical matters"; Alba, Touko, and Araya studied here)

There are also some other smaller magi orgainizations that we aren't sure who they are affiliated with like the Sponheim Abbey Alba was supposed to head.                                                 

(Forum Source)

- /What exactly does Spirit Conjuration entail? I know that we have two examples of Magi associated with "Eulyphis" (Department in the Clock Tower or not) - Kayneth and Fiore Yggdmillennia, but what does that actually mean?/

Necromancy. I think. You had Kiritsugu looking over some profiles in English in Fate Zero, and Kayneth's mentioned something about necromancy. I think.

(Forum Source)

- Some time around the medieval era or so, an organization called the Association was formed. Because of their excessive regulation of sorcery, the Association foresaw the degeneration of mages. So they took the power of their organization and turned sorcery itself into something that is never revealed. What they did was to take a mystery that was visible and turn it into a mystery that no one knew about. As a result, mystery began to disappear from society.

(Paradox Spiral, Chapter 6)

- Well, Rin was excited about her crazy heart surgery since a feat like that is enough to get you into the Clock Tower, and Waver thought he was hot shit since he managed to get accepted even though he was self-taught. They obviously have standards that go beyond "any jerk who shows up with magic circuits".                                                 

(Forum Source)

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Runes

- Three rune stones appeared.

Their size and the energy imbued in them were on a different magnitude on the ones from before.

These were the works of the giants of Scandinavia, restored at the Association by Aozaki Touko, replicas of the lost “original runes”.

The three layers of liquid crystal film magnify the inscribed runes ten million-fold.

(Mahoyo)

- “Ansuz, Sowilo, Inguz”

“-----!”

Touko draws runes in the air as she jumps away.

The runes change into flame in response to her shouts.

(Mahoyo)

- バゼットはフラガラックの射出によって焼け焦げた手袋を脱ぎ捨て、両脚に早駆けのルーンを刻む 。

If she's actually carving runes on herself during combat, this sort of implies that a lot of them something like a limited number of charges.                 

(Forum Source)

-バゼットはフラガラックの射出によって焼け焦げた手袋を脱ぎ捨て、両脚に早駆けのルーンを刻む。

Throwing off the gloves that Fragarach had burned as she ran, Bazett laid a rune into both legs to let her run faster.

(Hollow Ataraxia - 真・冒頭-05)

- 右手を握り締め、いつ襲われても迎撃できるよう[ruby text=かかと]踵で床にルーンを刻む。

I tighten my grip on my right hand and start carving runes into the floor with my heel to be able to intercept an eventual assault.

(Hollow Ataraxia - 真・冒頭-15)

- 胸ポケットから加護のルーンを刻んだ革手袋を取り出す。

I remove from my chest pocket leather gloves with inscribed runes of protection.

(Hollow Ataraxia - 真・冒頭-15)

-  見下ろす街には、所々に暗い影が徘徊している。  

Below, I see dark shadows wandering across the city.

[ruby text=ケー]遠[ruby text=ナズ]見のルーンを用いても、ここからでは新都の様子しか見て取れない。

Even with the Kenaz rune, all I can tell from here is the general state of Shinto.

(F/HA Entrans source)

[Kenaz is being used as a reading for ‘far sight’ or ‘watchtower’.]

- IIRC, Ansuz was

アンスズ

F

(Forum Source)

[ᚨ is the actual Ansuz rune in Elder Futhark, so F is a fair representation.]

- Hm, seems to tally with Jonnobi. Not as useful as 遠見, but I suppose it's something.

(Ooh, it's actually

アンサス

in Lancer's UBW scene).

The runes that make up Ath nGabla aren't rubied (or kana'd for that matter, according to Entrans, just "[argz], [nusz], [ansz], [ingz]"). Looked up Berkana, the search rune, which is only ベルカナ. So that leaves ... some. Which I don't know where they are, for the most part. Well, better than I had before.

(Forum Source)

[Ansuz here is used as the reading not for its rune, but for ‘fire’. Appropriate to Lancer burning things, obviously.]

- 「そうだ。この“[ruby text=アトゴウラ]四枝の浅瀬”、ルーン使いなら意味が分かろうよ」

(Hollow Ataraxia - 夜編1-25)

-  名誉をかけた一騎討ちを約束する、四方を枝で囲んだ[ruby text=ア=トゴウラ]決戦場か。

(Hollow Ataraxia - ランサー港-04)

[Athn Gabla rubies, respectively “Ford of the Four Branches” and “Battleground” here.]

- The search ends rather quickly.

Lancer is thought to be specialised in battle, but he is actually skilled in magic.

Gae Bolg is not the only thing he obtained in the Country of Shadows.

He is the hero who obtained all eighteen of the Runes of Origin.

But since he prefers to battle using his lance, the magic rarely gets used.

And now is one of those rare times.

"All right."

The thing that flies above the floor suddenly drops.

The Berkana Rune finishes its search and turns back into a stone.

...

Lancer is holding the Ansuz Rune.

The rune containing his remaining magical energy will burn this room to ashes.

(Unlimited Blade Works, Day 15, Death of a hero)

- That red lance and those runic protections around his body, and on top of that, his abilities specialised in survival.

(Fate, Day 5, Question: Survivor - the LP chose to ask about Archer instead of Lancer)

- Also Runes carry varying effects. It's kind of like leveling a skill in RPG. Nasu gave an example, the Ansuz rune Touko used has fire properties, but at max level, it carries the more potent "Revelation" effect.

(Forum Source)

- Elder Futhark matches with all the graphics that appear in HA at least, so it's at least those runes Nasu were thinking off, even if he didn't know the specifics.

(Forum Source)

- Q: How strong is Touko's Rune magecraft?

Takeuchi: Oh no, this guy is getting really suspicious. Shhhh! It is pretty useless? You cannot say that!

Nasu: Touko's Rune magecraft.... Mmm, it is not that powerful. Her true power lies in puppet-crafting, or body modification.

(Forum Source)

- In rune there's even a specific carving called oblivion just for that.

(Paradox Spiral, Chapter 11)

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Divine Words vs. normal Magecraft         

Orthodox sorcery:

Life force of the World -> spells (self-hypnosis, circuit activation) -> circuits -> mana -> inject mana into Magic Foundation -> magical effects

For Caster, with Divine Words:

Life force of the World -> Divine Words ("Go make me a sandwich, World') -> magical effects

(Forum Source)

- Caster points her finger with a composed expression.

The magic is "aero", plague wind.

Caster does not need to cast her magic.

For a witch that lived in the age of gods, incantations are unnecessary to connect herself with the world.

Caster is always surrounded by divine mysteries of ancient lore.

For Caster, magic is something she commands.

It is just like ordering her guard dog to attack.

(UBW; Day 14; Rin’s Clever Attack)

- No, spell is the effect generated by the mage activating the Magic Foundation.

[talking about modern mages]

(Forum Source)

- Fight scene between Rin and Caster in the church talks about the magical energy contained in Caster's spells, though, and that the reason Rin was able to fight back is because she could smash the magical energy from her jewels into them to nullify them.

(Forum Source)

- Well, you use mana to power the Foundation, the Foundation is like a machine that receives mana and pumps out magical phenomenons.

The spells themselves shouldn't have mana in them.

However, this bothers me though.

[UBW, Day 6, Archer VS Caster]

Maybe Age of Gods magecraft effect is different?

(Forum Source)

By the way, because Caster's spells themselves are "divine words", they can't really be described in terms of steps or bars.

Thus, the conditions outlined in Magic Resistance ranks B and C do not apply.

(McJon01's Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Incantation)

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Casting Times/Terminology

- /Weren't HSDW spells counted as equal to Instant cast spells?/

Right. It is one bar (about one second), but Caster's one bar is faster than one step (less than one second).

So ya, it is less than one second. She points, and beams come out.

(Forum Source)

Here is the pitfall of describing spellcasting with ambiguous phrases like "verses", "words" or "lines".

Anything involves speaking, be it one single word or a full sentence, is one "小節" (or what arai calls "one bar"). Chanting one bar takes about a second.

"工程" (or what arai calls one "step"), is always less than a second, without spoken words. Usually it takes the form of a finger snap, a hand gesture, or something along those lines.

What Caster does is condensing a full Ten Count (about ten bars), into one bar. And on top of that, cast that one bar in the time of one step.

TL;DR Caster fucks da police.

(Forum Source)

- Single Actions - Requirement is to only pass energy to activate. Gandr shots and mystic eyes are single action spells. Instant spells.

One-Line - Fixing an effect within oneself, ie, Rin activating her crest to cast a One-Line spell for either removing a sigil, or for gravity adjustment and weight reduction.

Ten-Count - Instant Contract. A simple ritual. Necessary for high thaumaturgy (rank A spells or higher). Casting time is typically one minute for a fully-trained magus and 30 seconds for one with high speed incantations). Consisting of ten or more lines, which may consist of one word per-line at the bare minimum. [Fuyuki]

- Ten Count itself is 10 seconds, that's been made explicit.

What Caster did in Ryoudo is a Grand Ritual, which consists of a Magic Circle as well as a Ten Count. The discprepency is probably from the fact that Grand Ritual is not synonymous to Ten Count.

大魔術(魔術)

 非常に強力な魔術。パラメーターで表すとAランク。

 第五回聖杯戦争におけるキャスターが柳洞寺で使用したものを一発発動するためには簡易的な魔法陣と瞬間契 約(テンカウント)の詠唱をしなければならない。その詠唱時間は一人前の魔術師で一分、高速詠唱を使う魔術 師で三十秒ほど。

The information on Fuyuki is not up to date.

(Forum Source)

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Breathing And Walking

“I admired his breathing.

That person's breathing was ideal for a human. I admired only that one point."

Then.

While we drink the tea we brewed here, Saber explains in a strange way.

“You mean 'breathing' breathing? What's so special about it if it's ideal?”

“It will affect your physical ability as well as your interaction with nature. Western magi do not hold this technique in high regard, but Eastern teachings treat breathing and walking as superior abilities that cannot be taught.

The ibuki, taking in outside air, is a clear image of connecting the outside world and your inner body. I have heard that to breathe in is to take in God, and to breathe out is to release God.

This 'right way to breathe' is a secret technique in every school, and one can expect only about one student per generation to be able to acquire it.

----To put it another way, a person who casts spells to cast magic is only a magus.

But if one's breathing, walking, and their existence itself can perform divine deeds, that person is a pure Magic Circuit that surpasses magi.”

“Oh… I think there was something like that in Shintoism.

Like exterminating evil with mere footsteps or clapping of the hands.”

“Yes, one spends all one's life mastering those embodiments.

But there are rare cases where one is born with this correct way of breathing or walking. These are people who themselves are Magic Circuits."

As they are abnormal, they will be famed as prodigies and end up being claimed by magi. But there are a few who will grow up without catching anyone's attention.

These people have within them divine mysteries surpassing magic, without even knowing magic. But ----”

“But? So Kuzuki-sensei has a natural-born talent?”

“No. I do not feel such a thing in him.

…Um, this is contradictory, but I believe his breathing and walking techniques were acquired through training.

I cannot believe it myself, but he is not a magus.

I believe his everyday training is affecting him in the perfect way.”

“……???”

What does that mean?

Does it mean Kuzuki-Sensei is living a pure and honest life?

“Saber. Then Kuzuki-Sensei is…”

“It means that he is an ideal teacher. A person like him is not rare.

It just means that he is admirable for someone like me who cannot breathe perfectly even with training.”

(Unlimited Blade Works, Day 4, Breathing)

[Breath has other involvements with magecraft: Saber and dragons generate prana with only their breath; mana is referred to as the breath of the planet.]

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Mystic Codes and Formal Wear         

The kanji for "mystic code" has always been "formal wear", in every Type Moon work. Extra didn't actually include the "mystic code" in furigana anywhere, but it's pretty clear what they mean at this point in the game.

(Forum Source)

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The loss of mystery inhibiting magecraft

"That may be so, but --- Is it really not good for a sorcerer to be exposed to others?"

"Indeed, it's bad. Although it wouldn't really matter socially, the power of your sorcery falls. Do you know the origin of the word 'mystery', Kokutou?"

Touko-san asked that as she brought her body forward on the desk.

"When you say mystery, do you mean the sort of mystery in mystery novels?"

"In a way. Not the detective novel sort, but mystery in the mystical sense."

"Yeah, I do. It's originally Greek, not English."

"... Well, that's true. In Greek it means to close something. Signifying stagnation, concealment, and self-completion. You see, a mystery has meaning in the fact that it is a mystery. Keeping it hidden is a nature of the technique. A sorcery that has had its nature revealed can't become a mystery, no matter what kind of supernatural methods it uses. It's nothing more than another method. Once that happens, that sorcery instantly becomes weaker.

Sorcery was originally magic too. In short, there was no question that the strength was pulled out from the origin that was its source. Should we imagine for a moment that there was something along the lines of a 'mystery that makes you rich'? Let's say that this has a strength of 10. If only one person knows it, they can use the entire force of 10 of its power. But if two people know it, that it gets halved into two units of 5 and gets used like that. See, it's gotten weaker, hasn't it? The way of expressing it may be different, but I think that this is a fundamental rule in regards to everything in this universe."

I can't understand all of what Touko-san is saying, but I think I get the point she is trying to convey.

If concealment and obscurement is the law of existence that thing called sorcery exists by, I understand why mages would be reluctant to reveal their sorcery in front of others.

"In that case, you must do as you please where others can't see you, Touko-san."

"Nope, I don't."

Zkk, Touko-san started talking as she stubbed out the cigarette in her ashtray.

"I wouldn't have a choice in a battle between mages, but otherwise I don't use it even if I'm alone. The only time I use sorcerous techniques is when it's required for a ritual, or in a ceremony in order to proceed to the next level.

Some time around the medieval era or so, an organization called the Association was formed. Because of their excessive regulation of sorcery, the Association foresaw the degeneration of mages. So they took the power of their organization and turned sorcery itself into something that is never revealed. What they did was to take a mystery that was visible and turn it into a mystery that no one knew about. As a result, mystery began to disappear from society.

(Paradox Spiral, Chapter 6)

[Tōko’s Greek lecture draws on an arguably distant etymological relationship, which I honestly suspect could be challenged - the ancients loved making up obscure derivations. Still, a number (the majority?) of modern scholars hold to it, so she’s not wrong, per se.]

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Magic Resistance         

/What Sabre does to resist spells is similar to what magi do: fill your circuits with prana and repel the spells thrown at you. Everyone can do it, except when Sabre does it, it is MR Rank A./

Is there no difference between 抗魔力 and 対魔力, then?

(Forum Source)

- /Where is "抗魔力" mentioned?/

As the term for the circulation of prana through circuits by magi in order to dispel opposing effects. I will assume arai didn't pull it out of his arse when he put it up on fuyuki. :p

(Forum Source)

- Further to the 抗魔力/対魔力 discussion, fuyuki's entry was kind of explicit:

Not the Prana Invulnerability of Servants. The equivalent of a save vs.

Going from this, and another point where it says 'Unless the target has as much Prana as Caster, a finished spell cannot be canceled.' (arai's italics), I was assuming a difference between the two: Saber pretty obviously shrugs off finished spells from Caster. 抗魔力 ought only to be effective against on-going spells which require the opposing mage's prana to exist in your circuits, whereas 対魔力 seemed to be a flat-out rejection of any 'enemy' prana, whether in your circuits or not.

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- I don't know what kind of a trick it is, but it has to be her magic that's restraining me.

Then if I can extract her magical energy out of my body…!

"You think you can free yourself? How cute of you. You're going to kill my spell with such a method? How naive."

"What?"

I concentrate all my will to search throughout my body.

Caster's magical energy…

The enemy's magical energy that's inside me, restraining my body.

… I look inside my body while keeping my eyes open.

It's alright. It's nothing difficult if I'm calm.

I identify the flow of magical energy every night.

I just have to what I've been doing and identify Caster's poison inside me.

Even if I can't get it out of my body, I can concentrate it into one of my limbs so that I can move the other three ----

“--- Huh?”

How can this be?

Caster's magical energy is not mixed within me.

The only poison-like element is this one small point on my chest.

But all of my body is acting abnormally.

"---"

It's not that there's something wrong with the blood flowing in me.

If there's something abnormal, it's not my blood but the blood vessels themselves.

It's like having my heart locked up.

The red spot on my chest has to be Caster's magical energy.

One cursed word is taking away my body's authority.

"No way."

It means I was cursed when I was sleeping.

Even if I was asleep, it should have been impossible for me to be seized by a magic cast from so far away.

Magi have magic resistance.

It is the power to repel "magic" such as hypnotism, binding, and coercion.

As long as one is a magus, one cannot be easily controlled by others.

It's a fundamental law.

Magi have Magic Circuits.

The circuit in one's body does not only make magical energy, but it can also repel external magical energy.

Therefore, it is difficult to interfere with someone with a Magic Circuit, and it is difficult even to control a magus several ranks lower than you.

As the Magic Circuit repels external magical energy, magic is destroyed before it can be completed.

For that reason, indirect intervention magic, such as hypnotism and binding, has a low success rate.

Even if the target is not a magus, the magic can be repelled unconsciously if the target has a Magic Circuit.

From that point of view, an intervention of just attacking with pure magical energy like Tohsaka does, making a weapon in this world and attacking the opponent as a result, is a simple method.

Physical impact works on everyone.

It does not matter if the target has a Magic Circuit or not, as people will bleed if they are cut with a knife.

"Do you get it now? It is my magic that is binding you and not my magical energy.

A completed magic cannot be washed away by water like magical energy.

It is just like solid and liquid. The solid does not crumble even if water is poured on it, right?"

(UBW Day 6, Calling)

- That was before the CM3 explanation of how Sabre's Magic Resistance works.

It is pretty clear the Magic Resistance is a result of Sabre jetting out Dragon mana. It it was just a generic stock ability that simply cancels spells, Dragon-slaying spells should not be able to subvert Magic Resistance.

(Forum Source)

- Still seems weird for the two terms to exist, then. And other Servants get decent MR ranks without gigantic prana stores. Are we perhaps looking at 対魔力 being a broader category, which covers all sorts of mechanisms for resisting magic (one of which is 抗魔力, which Saber happens to use, just like modern magi)?

(Forum Source)

[Saber’s MR decreasing when she becomes Saber Alter, despite the huge Prana influx, perhaps also should be considered here]

[Overall, I’m honestly not entirely sure that we must read Artoria's huge magical power being the source of her MR as necessitating that she use it in precisely the same way as modern magi would. As to the question of 抗魔力 rejecting external spells, it looks like it's possible, but only if the spell is an unfinished blob of magical energy, rather than some kind of physical effect (even one achieved by magic like Gandr). As such, and given that magi know about this problem – even Shirō – those sorts of attacks are probably vanishingly rare.]

- It is said that the three classes Saber, Lancer and Archer have strong Magic Resistance.

To put it simply, magic is pretty much useless against them.

It's because they are fighters who fought through the age of myths, when magics were used widely.

Magics that magi use now would probably dissipate just by touching them.

(Prologue, Day 3)

- My interpretation is still that it being the "source" of her MR means that it's what she had in life that qualifies her for the skill and not technically how the skill functions. I mean, the type of magic resistance Rin was talking about isn't supposed to be able to affect completed spells no matter how much energy the magus circulates.

(Forum Source)

- Why wouldn't it? If anything, that's a better question for the other side, that thinks her MR is a direct result of Saber having fuckoff huge amounts of mana surging out of her dragon reactor. Why isn't her MR negatively affected by being starved for energy under Shirou? Why doesn't it get better under Rin? Why does it actually get worse when blackened, despite the fact that she's running on a glut of magical energy in that state?

(Forum Source)

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Life expectancy of magi and homunculi         

- I don't know, magi are weird. Zouken is ~500 years old, the grail ritual started 200 years ago, and he didn't start using crazy life extending magic until after that. Which means he was a 300 year old blue haired pretty boy, fuck your natural lifespans and aging.

(Forum Source)

- The body dies if it rots for over an hour.

But two hundred years!

Only this old magus would understand how rotten the mind is of someone who has his body rotting away.

(Heaven’s Feel, Day 7, Madness)

[Just for proof of how long Zōken’s been wormy]

- They're [homunculi] normally immortal, but they are considered "weak lifeforms" because they are often super specialized

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- [Ilya:]“That's not possible. I can't live long, and you can't live long either.”

(HF, Day 12, Lorelei)

- That is why you are a mere puppet. Your hurriedly constructed body should not last for another year. A short-lived artificial product cannot understand human passion…!"

(HF Day 10, Shadow swallowing the castle)

- Isn't outward appearance not necessarily indicative of a mage's age either?

/It's all right to make yourself look young, Cornelius. But it's because you are so concerned with your outward appearance that the contents don't match up."

That one cold statement, it was a provocative insult like no other to the other mage.

The face of the handsome young man whose age has passed fifty contorts with hatred. /        

        

However Alba does it, magecraft is apparently at least capable of making 60 the new 20.

[Quoted material is from KnK: Paradox Spiral, Chapter 9]

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Ether

         

- Alright, let me share with you my own guide to Ether.

Back in the Old Days:

Gin=Grain=Association's Ether? (hotly debated in Beast's Lair's past)=The Fifth Imaginary Element

Longinus=The Fifth True Theoretical Element=NOT ETHER, NOT GIN, NOT GRAIN, but kills Ether

Post CM3, Nasu "fuck everything!"

Gin=Grain=Association's Ether=The Fifth Element, period

Longinus=The Fifth True Theoretical Element=NOT ETHER, NOT GIN, NOT GRAIN, but kills Ether

[my underlining, just for clarity’s sake]

(Forum Source)

- Ether is ether is ether now. There is only one ether, and it is the tangible Fifth Element.

EDIT: I was actually one of the ones that championed the "multiple ethers theory", but CM3 no longer lists Ether as the "Fifth Imaginary Element", and the Imaginary Elements no longer contains ether. Just in case you disagree, it was explicitly written that this ether is the one that "makes up celestial bodies".

So... ya, ether has lost its mythical status at the hands of Nasu.

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- It [Black Barrel] is forged from the Fifth True Theoretical Element, and that denies all Gin.

Not sure if it's the potent concept that is killing the Types, or actually the trace amount of Gin-toxin carried by the rounds that is killing the Types.

Maybe both? Your guess is as good as mine.

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- Ether WAS the "Fifth Imaginary Element/第五架空要素" (prior to CM3), now it is just the "Fifth Element".

The stuff Longinus is made of is called "Fifth True Theoretical Element/第五真説要素". It is the "Gin-slayer". Subtle difference in names, but big difference in properties.

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- Originally, I thought, "ya, if Ea is made of Ether/Gin, then Shirou will not be able to analyze it, because it is an Imaginary Element".

Then CM3 hit, that won't float.

But then Mahouyo hit, returning us to pre-CM3 concept of Ether, everything works out again.

/Wait, that doesn't make sense though. Wasn't Ea not made of Earthly materials?/

Ether/Gin is "space" material, imaginary.

(Forum Source)

- Ether - at least, the ether used by magi - is simply magic power that has form in reality. Whether or not the ether from notes and the ether that magi deal with are the same thing, is something I don't know.

(Forum Source)

- Also relevant that Nasu is using ether and magic power as furigana for each other all over the place in Mahoyo.

(Forum Source)

- /So Ether = Magical Energy = Prana?/

More or less, except prana is imaginary and ether has form, judging from when they use which term.

(Forum Source)

- Also, as ether is another thing altogether, it is not referred to as magical energy.

(McJon01's Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Plus Period - Magical Energy)

- But the fun news is that means if there's enough of it around you can suck up ether and use it as fuel? Errbody Knights now.

(Forum Source)

- Knights don't burn Ether though. They employ battle techniques that capitalize on Ether's fast rate of energy conduction.

Maybe Aoko's firing prana through an Ether stream for more power.                                 

(Forum Source)

- Well, the context I'm thinking of was more like "blah blah blah, that green fog pouring out of the snark is primordial prana (ether), blah blah she sucks it up and injects it into the magic formation."

(Forum Source)

- Lol.

I think there's a mistake in the Notes translation we have.

The energy transfer rate of the Gin scattered in atmosphere is incredible, and it resulted in a new level of warfare that was never possible on this planet.

It's "大気中に分散するジンのエネルギー変換効率は凄まじく、結果としてかつての惑星上ではありえなかった戦闘理論が打ち出された。"

It's not "energy transfer/conduction", it's actually "the efficiency of converting Ether into energy" is high.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the original implies you can "burn" Ether, and it is a highly efficient fuel.

 (Forum Source)

- /That certainly seems more consistent/

Wait.

Mmmm, so エネルギー変換効率 takes you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_...ion_efficiency

"ジンのエネルギー変換効率は凄まじく" = "The energy conversion efficiency of ether is absurd"

By Wikipedia definition, that would mean Nasu is saying Ether itself is the "energy conversion machine", so technically he is not saying Ether is burnable. Ether is more like an engine that converts one form of energy into another at high efficiency.

Nasu needs to iron this out, lol.         

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[See also the Kara no Kyōkai dictionary site on Ether Lumps]

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Mystic Eyes and variants thereon         

Mystic Eyes and Faces function as "Single Action spells". They are essentially auto-cast spells.

(Forum Source)

- It is sort of complicated. Mystic Eyes are this thing that is strutting between ESP and magecraft.

Mystic Eyes could be a manifestation of psychic/ESP powers, think of it like the powers of X-men.

It could also be "created" by pre-programing the Circuits in your eyeballs with a spell, so you can instantly cast the said spell (like "charm") when you charge your eyeballs with mana.

If you modify your other body parts in such a manner, I guess you can sort of achieve something analogous to Mystic Eyes? There isn't a rule set in stone for "Mystic X-bodypart". If you want to get to the bottom of it, Mystic Eyes just means "Magic Eyes", and Mystic Face just means "Magic Face". If you eyes can cast spells, they are Mystic Eyes. If the mole on your face can cast spells, it is a Mystic Mole (love-spot or whatever of Lancer's).

For Servants, trivial things like Mystic Eyes and magic moles end up as Skills, but a "Flaming Arm" sounds like something on the calibre of Delusional Heartbeat, as a Noble Phantasm.

(Forum Source)

- If you want to boil it down to the most basic, Mystic Eyes exert some kind of influence on its environment. Having the eyes cast a spell is one form of influence on the environment. However, those who wield ESP do not cast spells, but interfere with the environment through another form of circuitry. These ESPers can also have Mystic Eyes, and they are still legitimate Mystic Eyes even though they don't cast a spell per se.

And then you get into the mess of people who have ESP, who also dabble into magecraft, like Azaka and Fujino. Fujino is actually a good example, her Mystic Eyes are a hybrid between magecraft and natural ESP.

(Forum Source)

- Things like Rider's mystic eyes of petrification, or mystic eyes that can see the death of things, are "psychic abilities" that cannot be reenacted even with sorcery.

(McJon01's Encyclopedia of Type Moon; Side Material - Mystic Eyes)

Death Perception

- Kinoko: It's not quite so much the eyes, but how (R) Shiki perceives things that has a large effect on her powers. First, Mystic Eyes and brains work as a set. For example, Tohno Shiki from "Tsukihime" normally can't cut concepts like Shiki does, but that's because the specs of the Mystic's Eye's user's brain is different. Tohno Shiki isn't suited in the aspect of recognizing "concepts". (Ryougi) Shiki touched " " and became specialized in the visualization of events, while (Tohno) Shiki became submerged in death and became specialized in killing living things. By the way, Asagami Fujino's Mystic Eyes also work the same way. In her case, she can't twist things that she recognizes as not being twistable.

Interviewer goes on how about how amazing Shiki's eyes seem, given that she can cut space and concepts, and that it really feels like that "as long as it's alive, I can kill God" line isn't an exaggeration. But..

Kinoko: "As long as it's alive", however. The thing is, God isn't alive or dead so Shiki can't do anything to him. However, Shiki can kill what she thinks to be "alive", for example, say a telephone that she perceives as "being alive because it's not broken". On the other hand, if it's broken and therefore feels it's "already dead", she won't see lines.

(Forum Source)

[The line “as long as it's alive, even if it were a god, I'll kill it” is from Overlooking View, Chapter 4.]

- 両儀式【人名】

 りょうぎ しき。空の境界の主人公。志貴と同じく死の線が見えてしまう体質。

 着物に革ジャン、編み上げブーツという出で立ち。

 ナイフを常備しているが、本当の獲物は日本刀。

 両儀という苗字にも、式という名前にもしかるべき意味があり、

 その為に志貴より数段上の直死の魔眼の使い手といえる。

 志貴とは何もかもが正反対。月姫における志貴の性格は黒桐幹也に近い。

 詳しくは空の境界本編を参照のコト。

"She is a Mystic Eyes of Death Perception user several ranks above Shiki (Tohno)."

Source: Ryougi Shiki, Plus Period

(Forum Source)

- 直死の眼【ちょくしのめ】【その他】

式の持つ異能。魔眼と呼ばれる魔術行使と似た性質を持つが、分類的には超能力。

概念でしかない『存在の死』を視覚情報として捉える事が出来る。

死は線となって存在の表面に浮き彫りにされ、その線を裂かれたモノは材質・性質問わずに『死』に至る。

二年間に亘る昏睡状態によって長く「 」に触れていた為、両義式が持ってしまった力。

もともと式という体に死の線を視る機能があり、事故によって覚醒しただけの話。

もっとも、直死の眼は『両儀式』という体が持つ機能の一端にすぎないのだが。

Eyes of Direct Death (Others)

Ryougi Shiki's ESP. Although it has some characteristics that are similar to the Mystic Eyes in magecraft, it is classified as an ESP.

Eyes of Direct Death allows the user to perceive the the conceptual "Death of an Existence" as visual signals. Death emerges to the surface of an existence (objects, animals, etc) as lines. Cutting along the lines will result in "Death", regardless of the constitution or properties of the object.

Ryougi Shiki acquired this power after spending two years in a comatose state and contacted " " (Kara) for a prolonged period of time. Shiki's body already had the ability to perceive the Lines of Death, the accident merely awakened this power.

Of course, Eyes of Direct Death is only one aspect of the powers of this body called "Ryougi Shiki".

(Forum Source)

- Same thing with death perception. Nasu took the term 直視 (chokushi), which means staring directly at something, transposed the 視 (shi) with 死 (shi), and came up with 直死 (chokushi). Basically "staring directly at death" is what he was going for, so the translator came up with "death perception".

You kind of lose some of Nasu's intent if you go too literal here, and I think the way they worked around that translating Tsukihime was pretty clever.

(Forum Source)

[See also, e.g., the 10th Anniversary Q&A for confirmation that the MEoDP will work on Servants]

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Marble Phantasm

Why ‘Marble’?

[Basically, we had a page or so trying to track down the source about Marble Phantasm/Reality Marbles working like the well-known probability theory thing about picking marbles out of a bag. This was the result:]

[73 のレス1]

Name:■ Date:2001/12/07(Fri) 22:27 HP

大理石、というよりはおはじき? でしょうかね。よくわかりませんが。

ええと、昔スタッフ座談会できのこさんが"マーブル"はダンゴ現象に由来していると言ってまし た。

ダンゴ現象っていうのは、例えば0と1がそれぞれ50%の確率で出現する場において、そのどちらか一方がた またま何度も連なって出現する現象…なんだろうか?

あまり詳しくないのでもしかしたら間違ってるかもしれません。

まあともかく、どちらかが連なってダンゴみたく見えるからダンゴ現象、なのかも。

要するに、前述の0と1が50%…というのは自然な状態ですよね。で、その自然法則に支配された状況下にお いても、ダンゴ現象のようにまるで人の手が加わってるのではと疑ってしまうような状況が起こり うる。

なら空想具現化や固有結界というのは世界に直結する事によりあらゆる事象が発生する確率に干渉し、それによ って偶然中の偶然とも言える事象を意図的に発生させるというものなのではないかな、と。

例えば本当に偶然と偶然が重なり合って生み出された、まるで人工物のように見える自然物というのも存在して います。なら確率に干渉すればブリュンスタッド城みたいなものを具現化できても不思議はないかもしれません 。

                                

Name:きのこ Date:2001/12/08(Sat) 12:39

大正解ー! そのマーブルですー。

所詮現実など黒か白かの確率の転がしあいでしかないのだ、というリアリティ・マーブル。

幻想によって現実を幻想たらしめるマーブル・ファンタズム。

基本は一緒でも似て非なる世界干渉なワケなのですー。                                         

        

Poor guy was trying so hard to understand how affecting the probability of natural phenomenon could make a castle, too.

(Forum Source)

- /ええと、昔スタッフ座談会できのこさんが"マーブル"はダンゴ現象に由来していると言ってまし た。 Hm. So the poster's following up on a different interview, where Nasu made a slightly different comparison? Do we know anything about what he said then?/        

ちなみにマーブル・ファンタズム、という呼称のマーブル、はダンゴ現象から由来しているみたいです。確率論 、みたいな。

That's it, nothing else.

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Reality Marbles

Defeating Reality Marbles         

You just need to wreck it enough from the inside, or the outside. As demonstrated by Gilgamesh and Sabre.

You know the Gilgamesh one, and there's this from UBW:

The light coming from the lake eliminates the hill of swords.

A great magical energy has smashed away the already-disappearing Reality Marble.

--- That's fine.

The match is settled.

I can beat this Servant by slashing him with my twin swords.

But after the Reality Marble is blown away…

(