Versus Wolves 013: Kendrick Lamar vs. Kaiji: Ultimate Survivor Extended Timestamps
0:00 it’s been a long month. Time to lower your expectations, buddy.
1:29 timezone wise, it’d be great if they swapped places. Also, apparently your sleep schedule is genetic
INTRO
2:59 Versus Wolves Intro
3:20 Does four frames really matter? Yes. Eyepatch wolf rerenders a video because of four frames of the wrong footage. Clearly eyepatch Wolf is not on the good youtuber train.
- 5:38 Imagine recording this with both in an airport. this could be the last one. Yup.
6:57 So! The holidays are here! How’s your first holiday in your new home going? Time to sit down and watch anime and wrestling. And setting up things to celebrate the Christmas spirit.
- 8:41 Eyepatch Wolf usually goes home to visit his parents for christmas. Not doing it this year.
- 9:50 Woolie’s roommate will not share anything. Only children will not share. Learning the hierarchy of age.
- 12:08 watching the older kids watching their shows.
- 13:22 do you have any Christmas traditions, Woolie? Meeting with family and having some soul food dinner.
- 14:24 Eyepatch wolf’s yearly watch of The mega64 christmascast.
- 15:39 Is it a tradition if it only happened once? Fishing up presents! So many of them! … and then Woolie found out he was stuck in Grenada because his parents split up.
- - 18:37 Shoutout to December birthdays where people roll your birthday and christmas presents together so you only get one gift! (like me….)
- - 19:07 Eyepatch wolf born on november 4th, ‘86, and woolie was on december 4th, ‘85. This means nothing.
- 20:00 Loving the holidays. And eyepatch wolf’s new video: how Jake Paul beat Mike Tyson. Jake Paul’s Career. And the guy Jake paul beat and how that guy got his 10-1 record. Always an asterisk.
- - 23:31 does it matter when you’re angling for the fame and the views? And the taylor vs. serrano fight.
- - 25:08 the narrative jake paul is building.
YOUNG LADIES DON’T PLAY FIGHTING GAMES
26:01 Eyepatch wolf has started young ladies don’t play fighting games. 5 pages of a super combo. Having everything verified by high level Japanese players.
- 27:08 His only criticism: The fighting game they play is really generic.
- 28:17 how many pages will it take to explain MAHVEL?
GUEST CHARACTERS IN FIGHTING GAMES
28:42 How do you feel about clive in Tekken? A Soul alibur character in a different series. A continuation of the noctis in 7 guest appearance. Maybe Tifa could happen, who knows.
- 30:06 Eyepoatch Wolf has never liked guest characters in fighting games. There’s always a chance another Juri could be made.
- 31:53 Woolie’s take of new original characters > old favorites.
- 32:56 a healthy balance to be achieved. On characters fitting in with the game.
- 35:00 business-wise, guests are good. Fans only want more of the old thing.
36:55 there will be two panels! One is Versus Wolves live! A two hour panel and some live questions.
- 37:36 how do I become a cohost on versus wolves????? There are psychos out there.
- 39:11 The second panel: MAGFEST 2025: THE DOKAPON INCIDENT.
39:54 What stats do you want to see when you die? Woolie wants to know crushes.
- 41:08 at what point does knowing that become weird tho? … Eyepatch Wolf, stop feeding the shippers.
- 42:10 woolie wanting to know what skills he got close to mastery on. Eyepatch wolf wants to see what the natural aptitudes are.
- - 43:40 Wishing on starting earlier on stuff. And Eyepatch wolf and loving hand parries in boxing.
- 44:52 most you’ve pissed someone off without being aware of it.
45:43 Reminder to join the patreon! It has the intermission lounge, a second podcast where they shoot the shit on various topics, and the discord! The latest discussion is hajime no Ippo!
- 47:33 woolie imagining if he started podcasting earlier.
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53:55 A quick refresher what this podcast is. Welcome to the friendship era. Last month, Eyepatch Wolf recommended Kaiji!
55::39 it’s time for Kaiji. Except, you know, Woolie decided to watch History’s Strongest Disciple Kenichi instead.
- 58:10 Kenichi is amazing martial arts slop.
59:09 What do you think of squid game, Eyepatch Wolf? They owe Fukumoto money. Comparing Squid Game to Kaiji. Capitalism subsuming all critiques.
- 1:02:20 Zawa zawa… zawa… Reminding Woolie of Doug the old cartoon show.
- 1:03:33 recognizing the face. Seeing his face on pachinko games. An intentionally ugly artstyle.
- 1:05:52 a show about greed. Kaiji is a loser. A guy who gambles every day and steals hood ornaments off cars. Kaiji getting swindled and laying it all out for him for how much he owes.
- - 1:09:00 the horror of debt. These characters are greedy, shitty people. What is the cost here?
- - 1:10:18 The original manga was in 1996. Right after the japanese economic burst. Financial horror was felt extra hard.
- 1:11:44 the opportunity to wipe away all the debt in one night. Get on the boat, Kaiji.
- 1:13:10 the boat arc begins. Taking out loans to make money. If you dont make back the money, to a labor camp with you. The institutions in charge are the worst.
- - 1:17:44 Tonegawa.
- 1:18:05 the rules of limited rock paper scissors. This is some real hunter X hunter stuff.
- - 1:19:28 eyepatch wolf’s feelings on rock paper scissors.
- - 1:21:51 The rules of what you know and the rules of what’s allowed. An example: showing how many rock paper scissors cards are left in the game total.
- - 1:25:02 Kaiji’s first game
- - 1:26:08 Remind woolie of going to EVO in vegas and sitting at the War tables. The raw feeling of losing it all.
- - 1:28:12 The end of rock paper scissors gets grim. And seeing where people who are on the edge of losing and those who do actually lose end up.
- 1:31:18 Where the show goes after the ship. Ready for another game? The balance beam arc. Everything is excruciatingly drawn out.
- - 1:34:33 then you get to the next room. Cross between skyscrapers. The looks of these characters and the sheer contorted panic on their face.
- - 1:37:22 Tonegawa’s speech
- - 1:38:29 the motivations in death game setups.
- - 1:40:00 the brutality leaving nothing to the imagination. The moment where they get hyped up for a moment.
- - 1:41:47 the moment where they could have said no and walked away. Being in a system that pushed them to this point
- - 1:42:45 Kaiji’s ability to survive. Kaiji’s addiction is just to go for more hand.
- - 1:44:04 the end of the balance beam. Eyepatch wolf’s nightmare from this episode. A person makes it to the end… and opens the window. The ending was just a lie.
- - 1:48:35 The guy behind kaiji.Turning around and he’s no longer there. The silence.
- 1:51:03 The apologizer, huh? The nature of the elite here. How to show you really mean your apology.
- 1:54:58 the president.
- 1:55:40 how far did you get, woolie? All of season 1. The final game. Just walk away.
- - 1:57:48 The people that are happy to watch you fall.
- 2:58:44 the demonic pachinko machine.
- 2:00:06 the weakest part of squid game being the investors. Here, the greedy rich are terrifying. Also, tonegawa has his own side series.
- 2:02:10 Eyepatch wolf did hope he would like it. Seeing where the appeal for someone that likes hunter X hunter.
2:03:18 The pantheon of greatness. Dokapon got pushed down pretty far, somehow. The dokathon hadn’t happened yet when this was recorded.
- 2:05:00 the bar of missing an FGC tournament. Does it surpass cybersix?
- 2:06:26 Do we need to rerank dokapon? Yes.
- 2:14:04 so back to kaiji. Does it beat darkest dungeon 2?
2:18:15 Visiting some m.A.A.d cities, pimpin some butterflies, and squabblin’ it up. All he’s got to say is Damn. Also, the episode dropped and a new album dropped literally the next day. Going outside your own comfort zone.
- 2:20:18 talking about Kendrick and hip-hop for someone that might not care about it too much. There is a lot to talk about here.
- 2:21:05 the bit of going to a tournament as a recommendation making the wheels turn. And the historic drake beef.
- 2:22:03 Before eyepatch wolf talks about his history with the subject, talking about coming at this from a new person’s perspective. Hip-hop and kendrick’s stuff rooted in black culture that he might just not get as an irish white guy.
- 2:23:43 Woolie’s own experience with Hip-hop. Woolie also getting things wrong and having limited scope.
- 2:25:57 how Eyepatch wolf has approached listening to these albums.
- 2:26:27 How woolie got into hip-hop. Getting in with his cousins and continuing on as his life cotninued. Dropping off around the mid aughts. Then finding kendrick
- 2:29:50 a white irish 11 year old crazy into NWA. loving straight outta compton. The imaginary budfdy system, where you imagine a black friend.
- - 2:32:41 Eyepatch wolf has a story. Being out with reggie, kenny, and woolie. John? Did you ever say it??
- 2:33:58 a point where nu-metal entered his life. Still liking Jay-z’s stuff and dark twisted fantasy. Man, it sucks kanye got sucked into a portal to another dimension. Deciding to listen to Mr. Morale and the big steppers.
- - 2:35:50 going back and listening to his older stuff before the recommend back in 2022. They didn't hit for him. Being unable to understand Kendrick from a single track or album.
- 2:36:40 the story starting in the 2010s with 50 cent and Kanye West. Kanye winning. The internet being an important medium.
- 2:38:58 Drake’s rise. Drake is more a Kanye. Drake’s music is digestible. Discovering several drake songs he likes. Wooli’s opinion on drake: a drake hater from day one. That kid from degrassi.
- 2:41:19 Eyepatch wolf’s introduction to drake: a friend who is a tiny white lesbian who was insanely into Drake. Appealing to a wide fanbase. His songs were accessible.
- 2:44:28 a point very early where he takes a dislike to drake. The same friend doing fanart of Drake. Taking the art and posting it on instagram without credit.
- 2:45:29 positioning himself as the king of hip-hop. Being a content farm account in the age of the internet.
- 2:47:03 the Drake stimulus package. Working with Kendrick Lamar. Making Good Kid m.A.A.d city. Drake Finding fresh blood to vampire.
- - 2:49:10 Woolie starting with section.80. A self discovery album. Eminem’s first album infinite. Ection.80 as jazz rap on vicodin. Bringing in storytelling elements. Ending on hiiipower.
- - 2:53:14 jumping between optimism and pessimism. No make-up
- 2:54:24 Needing to listen to an album 3 or 4 times before understanding it. Good kid m.A.A.d city as a story. A thesis statement of what he is. The gravity of the gang life. The layers to his lyrics that you need to look up.
- 2:57:59 swimming pools.
- 2:59:30 backseat freestyle. His ambition. And becoming part of the Drake industrial complex and shedding realness to give drake proxy realness.
- 3:01:26 m.A.A.d City. And eyepatch wolf experiencing the gang up moment of “where you from?”
- - 3:05:31 seeing a friend gunned down. Finding a way out from this life through finding something you are passionate about.
- 3:06:45 Eyepatch Wolf loving good kid m.A.A.d city. Moving on to to pimp a butterfly. A very difficult album for him to get into. The most optimistic album he has, and an album very engrained in black culture. The track that flipped his opinion on the album: The blacker the berry.
- - 3:11:00 This album is the entire reason he wanted to recommend kendrick because it is woolie’s favorite. the crossover between catholic irish culture and black religious culture. The main difference is the celebration.
- - 3:12:36 there’s a lot of hooks that speak to woolie specifically. Talking about wesley’s theory.
- - 3:13:47 King Kunta. And a momentary aside for eyepatch wolf to talk about how I really spoke to him
- - 3:14:45 Institutionalized.
- - 3:15:36 These walls. Getting to a point of disillusionment with being famous.
- - 3:17:14 U. a supreme feeling of self loathing and self hatred.
- - 3:19:00 Alright. We gon be alright. Finding something to ground yourself. Becoming famous while the people back home are being shot.
- - 3:21:13 Complexion. Colorism and darker skin being treated worse.
- - 3:22:57 blacker the berry.
- - 3:24:24 I. learning to love yourself. Making something extremely positive.
- - - 3:25:48 the level of shame baked into irish culture.
- - 3:26:59 Mortal man. A conversation with tupac.
- - 3:29:03 the metaphor of a butterfly. The name to pimp a caterpillar. T.P.A.C.
- 3:31:32 DAMN. Realizing you can’t help everyone. Every odd track is a weakness. Every even track is a virtue to aspire to.
- 3:33:42 5 years of kendrick laying low and everything revolving around Drake. Coming out with Mr. Morale and The Big Steppers. A therapy album.
- - 3:34:55 Auntie diaries. Realizing some of your family is trans.
- - - 3:36:17 hip-hop being homophobic and transphobic.
- - 3:37:46 mother, I sober. His mother projecting her own trauma.
- - 3:39:20 the middle tier of music that does not affect Eyepatch Wolf. and a lot of people struggled with this album. And the general public wanting a bop thanks to Drake. An answer with Mirror, where kendrick chose himself and went to therapy.
- - 3:41:40 the heart part 5.
- 3:43:02 Drake hitting the peak of the industry. Kendrick taking shots at everyone with his spot on control. And then Drake giving an interview.
- - 3:44:45 the apocalyptic beef tracks. Starting with Push-ups. Liking it at first but then not liking it the more he ate. Comparing it to processed food.
- - - 3:46:28 Clearly, eyepatch wolf is the kendrick of video essayists.
- - - 3:47:48 continuing with the analogy. And not understanding the basics of talking shit.
- - 3:49:30 Kendrick dropping Euphoria. And Drake dropping the hard R.
- - 3:50:55 Drake contacts streamers saying dont go to bed. 6:16 in LA, Family matters, and meet the grahams. Meet the grahams as a lyrical nuke and a song to Drake’s son. And drake’s dad being a creep.
- - - 3:54:04 Drake’s battles and his fanbase being loud. Meek mill.
- - - 3:55:13 Meet the grahams dropping while woolie was in texas.
- - 3:56:12 Not like Us. Drake having a secret daughter he doesnt acknowledge, allegedly.
- - - 3:57:06 Drake’s The heart part 6 as a self report.
- - - 3:58:34 there is no coming back from this. Not like Us was the catchiest song of the summer.
- - 3:59:13 Drake setting up a lawsuit.
- - 4:00:08 a lot of his research was from F.D signifier’s video what the culture is feeling. He’s been answering all of eyepatch wolf’s questions. Also apparently he's a tekken god.
- - 4:01:02 how quickly not like us Not Like Us dropped. Remembering a memorable cab drive. We do not claim Drake.
- 4:01:55 Liking GNX and the heart part 6. Loving Wacced out Murals. Woolie liking squabble up and absolutely loving man at the garden. Reincarnated is fun too.
- - 4:03:26 the power dunk of MUSTAAAARD. Turn the TV off. Not even acknowledging drake’s heart part 6.
4:04:46 Time to rank the discography of kendrick lamar. Woolie’s thing of “we need to finish soon. Okay, time to yap for 3 hours.”
4:05:48 where does it fall on the pantheon of greatness? Does Kendrick Lamar beat dokapon kingdom? How about earthbound?
- 4:07:47 does it beat starting boxing?
- 4:10:38 Does it beat the shibuya incident?
NEXT EPISODE RECOMMENDATIONS
4:12:28 Wanting to recommend this from the start. Head to Doki Doki Literature Club- COMBO BREAKER. Woolie’s played it.
- 4:14:52 different plan then. The Yorknew City arc- AND COMBO BREAKER PART 2.
- 4:17:00 so, what’s there left to do?? Is it time to pull out… omikron….? It is, indeed, WELCOME IN OMIKRON- COMBO BREAKER 3. WOOLIE HAS PLAYED ALL OF OMIKRON. HE TOOK THE GUN AND SHOT HIMSELF. WOLF BREAKER.
- 4:23:06 Woolie laid it all out. He played the Riddler and stamped his business card with Moriarty. Go get the envelope. NOW.
4:27:25 I’m sorry john.
4:27:30 End of podcast.