Disney Dish with Jim Hill Ep 473: Do you remember WDW’s Treasure Island
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On the show today: News! Lots and lots of news. Then in our main segment, Jim tells us how Disney World’s Treasure Island became Discovery Island.
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We’re going to take a quick commercial break. When we come back, Jim tells us how Walt Disney World’s Treasure Island became Discovery Island. We’ll be right back to explore this wilderness.
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Treasure Island / Discovery Island feature As soon as Walt flew over Bay Lake and looked down at Razz Island, he knew that that was where he wanted to build “Project Florida.” People who were aboard Mickey Mouse One (That was the Disney corporate plane. A Grunman Gulfstream G-159 purchased in 1963) … They recall Walt looking out the window, spying Razz Island out in the middle of Bay Lake and then saying “That’s it.” And with those two words, Walt Disney World went from a fairly vague “We should build another Disneyland. Maybe on the East Coast” to a hard reality. And speaking of hard realities … We know the exact day that Walt first spied Razz Island (November 22, 1963) because – as this group was flying back to Burbank (having completed their scouting trip to Florida), Mickey Mouse One stopped for refueling in New Orleans. And it was there on the tarmac that Walt & his team learned that President John F. Kennedy had just been assassinated in Dallas. The next few months were a sad time for the country but a busy time at Disney. At this point, there were just six months ‘til the four shows that the Imagineers were prepping for the 1964 New York World’s Fair needed to be up & running in Flushing Meadow. But even so, there were folks at 1401 Flower Street who were focused on what came after the World’s Fair. And that was – obviously – “Project Florida.” Which wouldn’t officially be announced ‘til nearly 2 years after Walt first saw Razz Island (November 16, 1965). And the thinking in-house (at that time, anyway) was that “We need to do something special with Razz Island.” After all, that’s the reason that Walt bought all of this swampland in this particular part of Central Florida. And Walt? He could be somewhat squirrely when it came to islands. It was well-known at WDI – back when Disneyland was first being built in the Late Summer / Early Fall of 1954 – that when it came time to dig out the Rivers of America (And – by proxy – determine what the original layout for Tom Sawyer's Island would be. Because the backhoes that were digging down into that old orange-and-walnut-groves – as they dug out the Rivers of America – were going to be carving away at everything that wasn’t Tom Sawyer's Island) .. Anyway, on the weekend before all of that digging began down in Anaheim, Walt took the site plan for the Rivers of America home with him. And on Monday, he came into work with what the precise layout of Tom Sawyer's Island should be. Walt had hand-drawn where exactly all of the inlets & coves should be located / how they should look. So taking that into account … The folks who were working on “Project Florida” – whenever they looked at Razz Island – thought long & hard about how they could make the very best use of this teeny bit of property out in the middle of 450-acre Bay Lake. What further complicated this situation was Walt’s sudden passing on December 15, 1966. By this point, the broad strokes for “Project Florida” had been worked out. Where the Vacation Kingdom complex was supposed to be located (Surprise, surprise. It was to be built up by Bay Lake). Where the six mile-long North / South Road that would service the Vacation Kingdom should be carved out. Where Disney World’s overall entrance complex should be built. But – again – no definitive plans for Razz Island. Not yet, anyway. For a time. Razz was renamed Blackbeard’s Island. Which kind of made sense. In February of 1968, Walt Disney Productions had released “Blackbeard’s Ghost” to theaters. And this supernatural comedy – which starred two-time Academy Award-winner Sir Peter Ustinov as that film’s title character – had done reasonably well at the box office. More to the point, after Walt had surgery in Late November of 1966 (This was when doctors over at St. Joe’s removed most of his cancer-ridden left lung), he returned to the Disney lot for one day. And one of the places that Walt visited that day was the soundstage were “Blackbeard’s Ghost” was being shot. Where he then reportedly had a fun time chatting with Ustinov and his co-stars, Dean Jones & Suzanne Pleshette. Anyway … Renaming Razz Island Blackbeard’s Island was – for those within the Company who understood the significance of that specific set visit (Walt’s very last day at the Studio that he & his brother Roy built) – was thought to be an appropriate gesture. That said, the folks who were building Walt Disney World were very wary when it came to the topic of anything Pirate-related. And that was because of the annual Gasparilla Pirate Festival. Which was held over in Tampa every January. Now this event had been going on in Florida for a very long time (The very first of these fests – according to the Tampa Tribune – was held back in 1904). And Gasparilla honored the antics of Jose Gaspar, the legendary pirate who plied the waters of Western Florida back in the late 18th century. Jose was supposedly the Jimmy Buffet of his day, more interested in partying than raping & pillaging. Anywho … What with the Gasparilla Pirate Fest being an established thing over in Tampa (And Disney wanting to make a good impression with all the folks in Florida as it got its vacation kingdom up out of the ground), the thinking back then was … Let’s be selective when it comes to how we use Pirates down at Walt Disney World. Which was tough. Given that Disneyland’s version of “Pirates of the Caribbean” had opened back on March 18, 1967 and was a smash-hit right out of the box. So there was all this immediate pressure from Disney Corporate on the folks who were working on “Project Florida” to replicate that ride. And the Imagineers were like “No. We want to be good neighbors. Pirates is Tampa’s thing. We don’t all those people who live just 84 miles away from Orlando to think that Disney’s deliberately horning in on their thing. We want the people who live in Tampa to be happy with Disney, to regularly drive up the 4 and come over & visit Florida’s Magic Kingdom. I mean, we can use pirates selectively. Like having Captain Hook in Orlando’s version of ‘Peter Pan Flight.’ But nothing huge like Disneyland’s ‘Pirates of the Caribbean’ ride.” That idea – that Disney could only use pirates that had previously appeared in films that Disney Studios had made – began to influence what the Imagineers were looking to do with Razz Island. I mean, if this primo piece of real estate was going to be associated with a Disney film that featured pirates … Well, rather than “Blackbeard’s Ghost,” why not go with the movie that got Disney Studio started in the live-action-only business? Which was “Treasure Island,” which was first released to theaters back in the Summer of 1950. And when I say live-action-only … Well, there were obviously films that Walt Disney Studios produced prior to “Treasure Island” that featured live-action: · “Fantasia” in 1940 · “The Reluctant Dragon” in 1941 · “Saludos Amigos” in 1942 · “Song of the South” in 1946 · and “So Dear to My Heart” in 1948 But these 5 films also featured animation. Whereas Disney’s version of “Treasure Island” (which was based on the Robert Louis Stevenson novel that was originally published back in 1883) was animation-free. It was entirely live-action. More to the point, it was shot – not in Hollywood – but over in the UK. Largely because – after the War – England wouldn’t allow any of the ticket sales money that Disney films had earned while being exhibited in that country since 1939 to actually leave that country. If Walt wanted that money back, he had to spend it in the UK. Interesting bit of film history there. Disney’s “Treasure Island” was an enormous success. Studio would go on to re-release it to theaters several more times over the next 20 years as a G-rated feature. Problem came in 1975 when Disney was getting ready to send “Treasure Island” back in theaters. The Studio submitted this movie to the MPAA (The Motion Picture Association. Those folks who determine which rating a movie should receive). And they then came back and said that Disney’s now-25-year-old “Treasure Island” (because of a scene where Jim Hawkins shoots a murderous pirate directly-in-the-face with a pistol) was now a PG-rated film. Only problem was Disney – at that time, anyway – had a policy where it would only release family-friendly films. Which meant G rated. So – prior to “Treasure Island” being re-released to theaters in 1975 – Disney had to cut 9 minutes of pirates-related violence out of that movie to go from a PG to a G. The 1970s were a different time, Len. Speaking of the 1970s … Once the vacation kingdom portion of Walt Disney World opened in October of 1971, attention then turned to transforming Razz Island into Treasure Island. 50,000 cubic yards of dirt & soil were hauled out to Bay Lake. Which then expanded this island from 7 acres to 11 acres. And as the 1972 edition of Walt Disney Productions’ annual report stated (It was published on November 30th of that same year [1972]) reported … Work has been progressing since last Summer on the first phase of Treasure Island. Walkways, small lakes and waterfalls will be available for explorers and picnickers starting in 1973. Sometime after that, the rest of this picturesque spot in Bay Lake will then become home to recreations to memorable locations from Walt Disney Productions’ 1950 release. Among these will be the Benbow Inn, the wreck of the Hispanola and Ben Gunn’s cave. The annual report was off by about a year. Treasure Island didn’t actually open to the public ‘til April 8, 1974. And as for all those recreations of memorable places & things from Disney’s 1950 version of “Treasure Island,” only the wreck of the Hispanola was installed. It was parked on the side of the island facing the Contemporary Hotel. Funny story: As part of the set dressing for the Wreck of the Hispanola on Treasure Island, the Imagineers placed the skeleton of a pirate on the beach between the ship & the walkway that circled the island (so that Guests would have a bit of pirate-themed placemaking to view as they walked by). The morning after this fake pirate skeleton (which made out of plastic) was put in place on the beach, the Imagineers returned to find his bones scattered across that beach. There was also a flock of very ticked-off turkey vultures in the same vicinity, glowering at the Imagineers as if to say “What kind of a sick joke was this?” Here’s the thing, though … We’ve talked about this previously. But when Walt Disney World first opened in October of 1971, people would tour the Magic Kingdom and then swing by City Hall and say “This was great. But where is ‘Pirates of the Caribbean’ ? You have all sorts of recreations of rides from Disneyland here . Why didn’t that ride make the trip to Florida?” And then the folks in City Hall would then try & explain about the Gasparilla Pirate Fest over in Tampa and how the Company wanted to be a good neighbor. But after several months of Guest complaints, it became painfully clear that visitors to Disney’s vacation kingdom in Florida wanted that park to have its own version of ‘Pirates of the Caribbean.” But here’s the thing: The construction of Walt Disney World famously went overbudget. Was supposed to only cost $100 million to build. Wound up costing $400 million. Then the Arab Oil Embargo arrived in October of 1973, just two years after “Project Florida” had first opened. Some hard decisions had to be made. There wasn’t enough money to do two Pirates-themed projects-of-size. If the Magic Kingdom was now going to get a version of Disneyland’s “Pirates of the Caribbean” ride, that then meant that there was going to be a reduction of scope on Treasure Island out in Bay Lake. So no Benbow Inn & no Ben Gunn’s cave. 1977 – Treasure Island renamed Discovery Island. Place to view animals in cages. Part of the relaunch was tied to the theatrical release of “The Rescuers” in June of 1977. Nationwide contest. Devil’s Eye diamond in animated feature / contest winners could dig for $25,000 diamond on Discovery Island. Closed in April of 1999 (Year after Animal Kingdom opened). Lots of stuff proposed – Lost themed experience, Myst themed experience, island made up of exclusive honeymoon cottages. Disney has yet to turn the key on any of these ideas. Walt probably wouldn’t be happy to hear this. But he’s been gone for nearly 58 years now. And Disney’s a different company now. |
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