NIGHT 3
Huinesoron:
"I wasn't actually expecting to die."
I totally shot myself in the foot with the Zil-postcount-post, but the best part is that I really was just stunned that he's been so prolific - absolutely did not think it was so! Then cobbled together something to make sure people didn't think I was giving Mac a pass over saying as much.
Were I not a wolf, I would be deeply suspicious of the sudden bandwagon against me, because… well, I have just been following the evidence. I've not deliberately tried to misrepresent anything - the extent of my wolfish editing has been ignoring entire topics because the pack were too heavily involved.
I actually wonder if there was a Seer involved in putting it together. Is that too paranoid? If they were just waiting for a plausible excuse to hang late-day hysteria on, particularly when the main other candidate was Mac, who people were already split on… I don't know. I'd have to reread, and I'm not sure I'm up for that yet. Legate-Seer is the one who jumps out as likely to have dreamed me Night 2.
I think Boro is going to come under fire for his defence of me; his vote looks far too suspicious.
Should I have ducked back in and tried a Hunter defence? I would have said something along the lines of "if you lynch me, I'm taking Pitch with me". But I think "I go, I come back" would have been too suspicious there.
… okay, Legate.
#463 he agrees with my point about Zil's postcount, then calls me suspicious. #480 he mentions wanting to start a vote on me but not being sure anyone will go for it. #488 Kitanna agrees with him, which is valuable as a probably Gifted. Lottie chimes in too in #491, then Lommy in #494.
In #497 Legate ups the ante again - he 'may vote for Hui' now, explicitly because there's more support. Then in #503 he pushes the button.
And then the next mention of me is Kitanna in #529, which appears to really cement things. You know, I don't think anyone even commented on my final post… ah, well.
So: is it vanity to think that the two key gifted (Legate-Seer and KitRanger) could have been the reason for my lynch? Probably! But the alternative is that I'm just… bad at this game.
Which is entirely too possible.
DAY 3
Huinesoron:
Not much going on during the day: the troll-vote from the QT was fun, and I hope we can replicate it tomorrow.
But oh my stars that finale!
I think the rest of the pack are doing a good job of staying undercover: there's a few people who've cottoned to one or two of them, but nobody suspects them all. I'm surprised Boro hasn't been called for his vote to save me, but hey, I'm not going to object.
NIGHT 4
DAY 4
Huinesoron:
So Legate is not the Seer - but the rest of the pack might have thought he was, or why did they night-kill him?
But the QT think Boro is the Seer. That's just perfect! G55 has clearly flagged him as a wolf, though they're basically ignoring her hinting so far.
NIGHT 5
Huinesoron (PM to Lhuna):
Hey Lhuna, welcome to the other half of the pack. It's fun here!
The goodies in the QT were unanimous on voting for you - because they're convinced Boro is the Seer. It's been great fun. G55 has been playing Agent of chaos, and I've mostly been trying to avoid revealing anything.
Sorry about getting lynched so early - I'm still not sure exactly why it happened, but that's the game. And this game has been wiiiild...
So, why Legate? My theory is that you thought he was a Seer because of his assault on me, but that seems rather too simple for this game...
The Quarantine Thread is open night and day, and Nog has confirmed to me that means CutieWolf 'night' chat can continue into the Day too.
hS
Lhuna (PM to Huinesoron):
SO HAPPY to finally be there! You have no idea. I've actually considered revealing to be the Seer, or declaring "I'm a wolf. Lynch me" then voting for myself but the Cobbler's gone so that's a stupid idea. I just wanted to cause chaos in the process.
HAHAHA! Looks like Boro's plan is working well, at least on the QT! He's been dropping Seer hints to help him in case he carries on to counter-reveal as he planned.
I agree, this game has been crazy! And it's really bad timing to start a new job when all this is going on. They decided to trust the QT because they thought the innocents there might have seen something about me they missed, or that you dropped a hint about me being a fellow wolf. Too bad I didn't throw an early vote for Boro as I originally planned; I was just worried he might be actually lynched because there were a lot of people suspecting him as well.
Honestly I thought he might have dreamed of you. We were pretty unanimous about killing him, but the others also considered Pitch. Frankly at this point I wouldn't be surprised if we have a low-profile Seer trying to survive as long as possible, not dropping hints, while hunting wolves down one at a time to reveal more of them at the same time. I'm worried it might be Lalaith. Who do you think might it be?
That's great! If you don't mind I'll take a page off your book and transfer our chat to a Gdoc, it's easier to use. Feel free to play around with the formatting.
Lhuna
Lhuna:
Just caught up with the events of yesterDay. I’m thoroughly impressed with how Kath and Ka jumped in to vote for me. They might win this for us yet.
Boro, however, shouldn’t have posted that last post. I think it’s possible he’ll be lynched tomorrow. Well he did say he’d want to get to participate in the dead thread for once…
Now to read the dead thread. This should be fun. *readies popcorn*
On page 3 now (while half-ignoring a conference call review of new accreditation guidelines playing in my ear, tsk tsk) and this caught my eye
RangerKit! Oh thank the Valar, now I don't have to spend all day pretending you might be a wolf.
Since I'm sure you're wondering, and these arrows through my legs take a certain amount of pressure off, you survived Night 2 because various wolves were pretty sure you were trying to cover for the real Ranger. Good thing (for the wolves) Zil brought you out into the open yesterday...
hS
And it just hit me like a pillow in the face that there is an entire gamut of game dynamics to think about here. For example, the bolded part above stuck out to me as pretty much an admission that Zil is not a wolf.
So here are stream of consciousness thoughts and questions on how we’re going to play this such that the wolves are playing both halves of the game. Since you’ll be asleep for the next several hours, I will add to this list as I read along the QT and see more of its dynamics:
It’s clear we don’t want them to know who our packmates are, but I guess we shouldn’t let them know who we’re certain of being innocent either.
A question I posed to the wolf chat the other day, when I was worried another wolf might be lynched on Day 3, is that if a baddie-dominated QT should wolf-on-wolf vote,or if it’s too risky. Since that’s unlikely to happen now, I’m wondering on an individual level if a wolf-on-wolf vote is risky on the QT. I still want to paint a suspicious picture of Boro even in the QT and hope the innocent QT does not think I’m bluffing. I’m not sure how going after a fellow wolf is going to play out here, thus affecting how it will play out in the game thread. Ugh it sucks to be on a time zone where I can’t afford to wait for the innocents to vote before casting my own, without sacrificing RL sanity and functionality. :(
I’m thinking about abstaining from voting altogether in the QT. How’s that for not revealing anything. :p
I hope we both don’t get confused - with having 2 means of communication throughout the entire game - which to post where and which not to post where else. I can already see myself getting confused, but at this point more of saying things solely to you that I can actually say to the entire thread.
So it appears that the living thread is more likely to trust the QT vote now that it led to the lynching of a wolf. Even with 3 of us baddies now, the innocents still outnumber us (and hopefully will continue to do so for the rest of the game), so I guess our best course of action to manipulate the InnoCuties’ vote (thereby influencing the game votes) is to make them believe that certain suspicious innocents are our packmates without making it so obvious that they’ll think we’re bluffing. Huh. I could swear that sounded simpler in my head.
However, the fact that Huey voted for her toDay opens up a whole new discussion. After all, getting the "evil QT vote" for the second day in a row was about the safest position Brinn could be in. -Rikae → Oh my gosh I totally never thought about that. This should have played out to our advantage in the GT if anyone had spotted it.
I have to say, it’s awesome that we can keep on conspiring even as the InnoCuties are planning real time. If only my time zone didn’t keep that from happening…
So we're voting Boro toMorrow, is that what I'm hearing? Sounds good to me! → THIS IS BLOODY BRILLIANT
If The Phantom was playing, he would surely have figured out a way to exploit the Innocent Child role. Probably by making them reveal early. Why? I don't know, I'm not TP, but he always has a reason. It does give the village a known innocent at the cost of losing their dear Lalaith in the Night, but it may be very useful in untangling some of the knots that were tied on D2 and D3. -G55 → Crap, I never thought of this. Ka asked about the Innocent Child and both Kath and I didn’t think much about it in response. This could certainly be used against us in the endgame, if xe survives that long.
Reminder to self, because I almost did: Do NOT applaud Mac for using Boro-pretend-Seer to have me lynched. DO NOT. But maybe I’ll ride along and wonder why the heck the Seer would dream of me, of all people. I’m starting to love being quarantined more and more. :D
Huinesoron:
Quote: Lhuna
For example, the bolded part above stuck out to me as pretty much an admission that Zil is not a wolf.
I know. :( I regretted it almost as soon as I said it, and I've been doing my best not to repeat my mistake. Luckily they seem to have forgotten, since they were mostly viewing Zil as their second choice yesterDay.
Quote: Lhuna
I’m thinking about abstaining from voting altogether in the QT. How’s that for not revealing anything. :p
Yes. YESSSSS. Join the CobblerWolf brigade. :D
Quote: Lhuna quoting hS
So we're voting Boro toMorrow, is that what I'm hearing? Sounds good to me! → THIS IS BLOODY BRILLIANT
Thank you. ^_^ I've mostly been trying for 'noncommittal, no information here', but when an opportunity comes up to 'accidentally' confirm their suspicions, I'm happy to take it.
I feel like the best-case scenario for us toMorrow would be if the Cutiennocents split their vote. We'll be at 6 vs 3 on the innocent/evil front, which means that if only two of them vote for a second candidate, we can block-vote to secure whichever one we like. The ideal situation would be for them to put two innocents up, and us to 'panic'-vote for the one with fewer votes, so they go after the other one the following Day.
Annoyingly, unless there's three candidates on the block, your tie breaker won't actually make a difference… unless, of course, the Cutiennocents are split 3/3, in which case I propose we all ++Brinniel. :D
With the QT DL two hours before the main one, how bad is that for you, timing-wise? It's 8 o'clock in the evening for me, so I can vote pretty much whenever. If you can't be around when people are voting, a possible alternate strategy is for Team Evil to throw all our weight behind the first person to get a vote, to make the Cutiennocents worry about whether they should change it.
Lhuna:
I guess I have a wolf’s perspective on your point about Zil that they didn’t have (like your supposed slip - I had an idea what you meant and it was an honest observation yet I can’t believe they managed to use it against me *rolleyes*). Yes, it’s a good thing they still suspect him. No harm done. :)
In terms of confirming “accidental suspicions,” we could even say completely opposite things and confuse them even further (even if they likely won’t tell us that to our faces). I’m so glad I didn’t get here without a fellow wolf. The possibilities of exploiting this are endless.
I’m all for a repeat ++Brinniel.
Hmm. The QT DL is 3 AM for me. I managed to be awake for that yesterDay because, tired that I am, I fell asleep with my laptop on my lap and woke up around 1 AM panicking that I haven’t voted yet. :D The fact that I’m working from home most days a week (with an 8 AM time-in), however, can make it possible for me to stay awake until that time. I guess I can forego a few hours’ worth of sleep a couple of days a week until this game is over. :p
Huinesoron:
Well, if there's one thing this game has proved, it's that villagers getting the wrong end of the stick can still use it to beat a wolf over the head. :)
Please don't ruin your sleep schedule for the sake of a game! I mean, I always do, but you shouldn't. :) An early Team Evil triple vote is a perfectly good outcome, particularly if it's 'supporting' an early-voting Cutiennocent.
Lhuna:
Well 12 years of study - which had at more than one point ruined my Werewolf participation - had already ruined my sleep schedule, so I don’t see why a crazy game of Werewolf shouldn’t this time around. :p
Okay fine, maybe just toMorrow then. I just want to take advantage of my control of the tie as much as I can. But first we have to see them splitting up their votes.
Huinesoron:
Do you have any ideas as to who the rest of the pack will kill tonight?
Lhuna:
As of last Night’s conversation, their next Seer candidates after Legate were Pitch and Lottie. I’m not sure if the events of yesterDay are going to change that.
Do you have any idea who the Seer may be at this point?
Huinesoron:
Honestly, I've not seen anyone who jumps out at me. I'm inclined to think the Seer hasn't dreamed any wolves - nobody's been talking about Ka and Kath at all (which is great news for us), nobody's really gone in on Boro, and I feel like you were pretty undercover until the Cuties brought you up. If we're lucky, that means the Seer has been looking at people who promptly died, but we could see a "well, you five are all innocent!" at some point.
Lhuna:
Boro and I are in agreement that if the wolves don’t catch the Seer by toNight, he’s done for. I think it’s impossible for the Seer not to have dreamt of him by now. Unless, as I suspect, xe’s patiently holding off giving any hints until xe has the identity of at least a couple of wolves, at which point xe’ll be content leaving the last-wolf hunting to the living ordos.
I guess the reason I’m flummoxed that Mac even had the idea that Boro’s the Seer who dreamt of me is I can’t imagine any reason the Seer would choose to dream of me. :p If the living wolves don’t catch the Seer by toNight, we still have one Day to take advantage of the Cuties’ belief that Boro’s the Seer.
By the way, reading G55 and Rikae’s conversation about their Day 1 argument and Rikae’s reactions to others talking about her temper reminded me of your idea earlier in the Night chat. I couldn’t help giggling a little. Does that make me mean? :D
DAY 5
Huinesoron:
Quote: Lommy
I was disbelievingly jubilant after the deadline, and my first thought was "is there a possibility Huine has actually spilled the names of his fellows in the dead thread by accident" (While sadly probably not, it is true that he can talk about his live fellows in an incriminating way and that way the qt innocents have access to evidence we don't. Something to consider... (Not that I'm saying we should always follow the qt vote, even though that would make this game easier. )
Are we sure she's not a wolf?
Quote: Greenie
I’m now also having serious misgivings about THE Ka and Kath
Gulp.
Lhuna:
It’s a bit freaky, how I’ve been thinking about choosing Lalaith last Night and then waking up to find her quarantined. This Seer is frustratingly hard to find! I just hope most of the dream choices are already dead.
I see what you mean about Lommy, haha.
Greenie’s consistently been impressive in this game. Those analysis posts of hers, seriously. (I guess that’s what being on lockdown does to some people. :D)
Eönwë continues his helpful-unhelpful posts. Are we sure he’s not a wolf?
Unless something goes seriously amiss, I intend to be around for an hour until the QT deadline. Here’s hoping they split their votes somehow. *crosses fingers*
Huinesoron:
What we really need is for them to muck up the maths and go "unless we split 3/3, Team Baddie can't do anything". But I'm not sure that's very likely.
If someone interesting gets an early vote, we might still have fun by throwing all our weight behind it and forcing them to either vote with the wolves or unanimously condemn someone else.
Lhuna:
Must be the time zones, but I'm concerned about the paucity of posts at this point halfway through the Day.
It appears G55 will be able to hold her vote until the end, no?
Huinesoron:
It is quite ominously quiet. We're not going to get anything done if the Cuties just hold back their votes all day.
I feel like Pitch accepted Boro's Seer hints when he replied in #1062: "If you're convinced that was his reasoning, fair enough, I suppose." Does that mean he's not the Seer himself, or does it mean he's keeping well undercover?
I'm quite worried that Boro's increasingly heavy Seer hints might be a huge red "WOLF" flag to the real Seer - which saves them a dream! If they hit Kath or Ka, they might be willing to come out and say "here's one wolf, and Boro's soft-claiming Seer proves he's another, I'll try and dream the third toNight and get the Cuties to vote for them".
Of course, the same logic seems to indicate they haven't found one of the Ks - or that Boro isn't as obvious as he looks when you know what he's doing.
Lhuna:
Even most of the Living are holding back their fake votes. This doesn’t feel right.
I’m a bit surprised to see that even Lal suspected Boro of being the Seer, and it worries me that the Innocuties will find the fact that he’s still alive incredibly wolvish. Worst case scenario, the QT votes for him, the village follows suit, and a fake Seer reveal is either too late or ineffective. This might work if he reveals right after a QT vote for him. But you’re right, we’re done if either Kath or Ka had already been a dream target.
I sure hope we’re a bit pessimistic just because we know what he’s up to. Because in all honesty, I think he’s playing too close to the fire here.
Huinesoron:
#1098: Could Rune be our Seer here? He says:
Quote: Rune
If I were to vote right now I would probably go for Inzil
+-Inziladun
I know I am sounding like a broken record, but my secondary choices would be Brinn and Eönwë.
The people I suspect the least at the moment is Pitch, Greenie and Shasta. My good feeling of Shasta I must admit are not based on anything particular save not getting bad vibes and not seeing anything obviously incriminating.
That really does sound like "I have dreamed Pitch and Greenie as innocent". And he shades his !vote with a 'probably', so as not to imply he's dreamed Zil. The big negative is that he has been a broken record, so why wouldn't he have checked at least one of his wolves?
QT Quote: Lalaith
Another worry: if we keep following Boro's suggestions, that's basically saying: "QT think Boro is the Seer"
If we don't get anything more useful out of them, this is a possible opportunity to go "Well, you know what the best way to avoid that is! ++Boro".
(3h15m before QTDL): Mac has raised the option of a vote for Ka, which I'm tempted to bandwagon to spook them off her. But is that too obvious?
One concern I have is that if we wait until after there's one vote on her, it only takes one Cutiennocent to call our bluff and the vote will go through. That's reduced if one of us fails to vote, particularly if they show up and "vote" 10 minutes after QTDL. Might be worth considering.
(2h40m to QTDL) Uggggh this doublethink is so much more stressful than just ++Brinning my way through.
(1h30m to QTDL) Maybe a mistake, but I felt voting Boro was the best chance I was going to get. Not sure what you should do; I think they were always going to go unanimous.
Lhuna:
Just woke up! I hope you’re here. Catching up quickly…
I can hold off my vote until the end. Not sure if I should follow your vote or cast a vote for Rune as well if it starts looking unanimous. I figure it might be more confusing to them if the wolves voted differently, but your early vote for Boro might look to them like the cover it actually is if I don’t also vote for him.
Okay, hot take - Ka is evil. Potentially with Eonwe, based on her last stuff.
The psychic doth declare. At least he’s wrong about Eönwë.
As said before, I don't see either Rune or Pitch being connected as they've been fairly consistent in their suspicion of Eonwe and as almost a knee-jerk reaction, Shasta starts to show sudden interest yesterDay then backs off toDay when it starts to get uncomfortable by association. -Ka
Or unless Shasta’s the Seer and dreamt of Eönwë last Night and found him innocent?
Huinesoron:
Perhaps they're all Seers but just bad at it…?
My hope is that my Boro Vote will just get classed under 'hS is inept and trying to baffle us'. I think they think I've outed him as innocent. I don't know; maybe it's too heavy-handed.
I don't know what you should do. :( I feel bad that your tie-breaker got wasted by InnoCuties unanimity.
Lhuna:
My thinking right now is that the Innocuties would expect us to vote the same way. Any other course is suspect. And the fact that you voted early and I voted late might make it appear that we actually want Boro quarantined but it’s not like there’s anything our votes can do about it.
Perhaps they're all Seers but just bad at it…?
Maybe that’s it. :p
Huinesoron: I think I'm convinced? You're 'late' enough that it can look like a badly-timed plan from The Wolf That Lynched The Cobbler and The Wolf That Self-Voted. I reckon we can get away with it.
Lhuna:
I do like this idea of making ourselves look inept the whole game. :D And now we have our titles.
Aha. And I can even make it seem like a retaliatory useless effort against him for getting me lynched yesterDay.
Gosh, I do hope Rune’s the Seer and is forced to reveal himself, and we know how gifted reveals go in this village. :p
Huinesoron: Ten to QTDL… I'm starting to get seriously worried the rest of Team Good aren't going to bother voting. Dangit, I should've just voted Rune to confuse things.
Lhuna:
No no, this is good. If they catch the Seer toNight then Boro’s probably as good as dead toMorrow, but at least we have the moral victory of helping the Innocuties believe that Boro’s the Seer.
Also, a conversation with Boro prior to the start of the game has taught me not to second-guess myself.
Huinesoron: G55 has voted. If only we actually wanted a Boro vote.
Rune votes in. VOTE BORO.
Lhuna:
And it’s done. *rubs hands in glee*
*rushes in*
++Borom... *cough*
++Rune Son of Bjarne -Mac
I almost had a heart attack!
Huinesoron: Yesssss. Excellent crossposting.
Lhuna:
In all my years playing Werewolf this is the first time I voted right at the DL. Now I see what the appeal is and why they keep doing it. :p
Huinesoron:
I started reading WW threads on another forum where they use retractable votes. They do exactly the same thing, except that nobody has the faintest idea what the tally is at any point in the last ten minutes. It's hilarious.
The Living's reactions are PRICELESS. I think this may be Team QTeevil's best day.
Lhuna: I KNOW! BWAHAHAHAHA
I’ve only ever played in one retractable votes game here. It’s a nightmare. I don’t know how the Mod can tolerate it.
Now I’m going back to bed (though I can’t see how after all this excitement).
Huinesoron:
Sleep well! I'll say hello to whichever hapless soul the village send us; hopefully not a wolf.
Quote: Boro
It would take a lot more than the QT vote today to get me seriously considering Rune.
Boro, you shouldn't thumb your nose so hard at your faithful followers. They might notice.
Lhuna:
Hmm, well maybe I can do a look through Rune. Yesterday I was already suspicious of Lhuna. Maybe just a knock on our head saying Rune's been passed over/fallen off the side of the road lately, should get discussing him. -Boro
Couldn’t resist looking haha. Nooo Boro, don’t hint at what you’re trying to do too much!
One last thing, I promise. It’s hilarious (albeit nerve-wracking) that most of the Living is sold on Ka’s guilt, while the Cuties think the exact opposite. Ah wait no, it’s just Rikae.
Okay that’s it for toDay. Toodles!
NIGHT 6
Lhuna:
Quote: Mac
(It did occur to me, too, that Boro might be a wolf and the pack intentionally planned on sacrificing I-don't-like-being-a-wolf Lhuna. I like the idea, I must say, but I don't think it's realistic.)
Ack. Mac is scarily close to the truth here. Good thing he doesn't think it's realistic.
So I just finished reading what happened towards the end of yesterDay. Eönwë's looking really suspicious — an odd opinion for a wolf to have, I must say — and I'd be really surprised if he still isn't lynched by toMorrow.
And Boro's parting words, what was that all about?? Are they entrusting the win solely to Kath? I really can't see where he's going with this.
Huinesoron:
My best guess on Boro is that he's expecting either to get Eonwe lynched tomorrow (and thus be outed as a fake) or to be lynched himself (and thus outed as a wolf). Either way, he could be hoping it leads to the conclusion that Ka is innocent because the Fake Seer focussed on her.
Possible added benefit: he might be leading the real Seer away from examining Ka, on the grounds that they don't want to follow their fake counterpart's lead? I don't know how likely that is.
I don't see any scenario where Boro lasts past Day 7. He's obviously throwing himself against the Seer to spook them into the open, but the Seer seems to be very firmly not reacting.
I wonder: if the Seer reveals in self-defence at the end of toMorrow, and Boro counter-claims, would the pack be best to leave the Seer alive for one more Night, in the hopes that they can persuade the village that Boro is the real Seer? That would give them an extra day of Boro before he goes to the gallows… er, infirmary-bar.
In fact, it looks like the single worst thing they could do would be to night-kill the Seer toNight. That would hang Boro for sure toMorrow, meaning they came out of Night 7 at 6/2. There's one scenario that leads to a Wolf victory at the end of Night 8:
Night 6: Ordo killed (7 Villagers, 3 Wolves)
Day 6: Seer nearly lynched, claims, Ordo lynched (6 Villagers, 3 Wolves)
Night 7: Ordo killed (5 Villagers, 3 Wolves)
Day 7: Seer and Boro squabble, Boro wins, Seer lynched (4 Villagers, 3 Wolves)
Night 8: Ordo killed (3 Villagers, 3 Wolves, Wolf victory)
Most others see a 4/2 split on Night 8, with both Boro and the Seer dead. I haven't factored anything the Seer may reveal - the worst-case scenario would be for them to point at all three Wolves. But that's always a risk…
Lhuna:
That's what I was thinking yesterDay, that killing the Seer toNight will be a very bad thing for Boro toMorrow. My hope, however impossible, is that the Seer didn't choose to dream of him yet, and he could somehow argue that he was an ordo trying to lure the Infectors away from the Seer. But in all likelihood the Seer will lead the lynch from the QT and the Living will follow the InnoCuties' lead.
I think Day 6 in your scenario will end with either the Seer or Boro lynched, but that's just me.
In any case, I will be better able to hold my vote until the DL tomorrow, for whatever it's worth.
Huinesoron:
My scenario for Day 6 is that we get a Seer claim when they already have three or so votes on them, meaning everyone has to surge to whoever else has the votes to keep the Seer from going down. They won't have time to sort out which Seer is lying, so I can see a strong "let's sort it out toMorrow" push.
Lhuna:
Gotcha.
I’m amused to see that the InnoCuties are gunning for an Eönwë lynch, too. I’m very much tempted to throw my vote in for him as well near the DL, just to confuse them. But let’s see what toMorrow will bring…
Huinesoron:
If they get enough votes on him that they can't swing the vote away once we weigh in (we'll be at 8/3, I think, so we'd need at least 3 votes on Eonwe already), it would be worth it just to convince them that we are actively trying to get them to lynch innocents. :)
DAY 6
Huinesoron:
We got a Pitch! Okay, speculating on the defence… "the wolves saw his interactions with Boro and thought Ordo!Boro was defending Seer!Pitch" ? Maybe? That kind of works…
Did the actual wolves think Pitch was the Seer, or just that he was dangerously insightful?
Lhuna:
Likely, both. I think his interaction with Boro might have something to do with it, too.
Speaking of Boro: *slow clap with head shake*
He's really outdone himself this game. To think he didn't want to be a wolf!
But, to lift shamelessly from Legate, where in the name of all the Valar is this Seer???
What if it turns out to be Greenie?
Quote: Shasta
Regardless of whether Boro is telling the truth or not, I think it's likely the QT'ed innocents believed him to be the Seer. We could test that theory with having them follow Boro's vote again today, if we thought it mattered.
This did make me raise an eyebrow. Shasta = wolf?
I have to say, Eönwë’s making it difficult for anyone to change their minds about voting for him today.
Huinesoron:
Agreed. Boro's performance has been spectacular. Things could all change later in the Day, of course, but right now it really looks like he's pulled this one off.
Ka and Kath have stayed really undercover, too; I know people keep mentioning them, but have either of them had a vote yet? Oh, yes, Ka got one single vote (Greenie) yesterDay.
It won't last forever, but right now the village (and the Cuties) have really gotten stuck on the idea that the wolves will be vocal players who are caught by their slips. I'd like to think I had something to do with that. ^_^ And of course, it doesn't have to last forever… all they need to do is mislynch twice more, and we win.
And given how many of them look incredibly wolfy (Eonwe and Lommy are my picks), they might even do it.
Lhuna:
I think one of the reasons he might have chosen to reveal as an ordo is to try to take some pressure off Ka. He had gone after her quite strongly yesterDay, and some might have thought that he had dreamt of her, so now that they know he knows nothing they might ease up on their suspicion of her. Not that Boro himself had done anything of the sort, though.
As inspired by your unwitting performance, I have started trying to post tiny “slips” of my own. Nothing too game-changing, and they might not even be noticeable, but I’m having some fun dropping little tidbits that at best might mess up someone who focuses too much on what I have to say.
I’m bothered that after all this time I still don’t have a proper read on Brinn, and I hope someone jumps at the opportunity to throw a lot of suspicion her way.
By the way, I told my brother Nilp about Boro, and he said Boro had done this before. Might be one of those games when I was no longer active, but in that case I’m surprised no one else has remembered it.
Huinesoron:
It's really fun playing as two "separate" packs, one half fully known to be wolves.
I think Rune's latest (#1305) is another super wolfy post: he admits he was hunting for the Seer, and vocally misunderstands the mathematics of the QT. I like it a lot.
It may amuse you to know that I very nearly listed Nilp as a member of the pack in my QT#109; I think he would have replaced Nerwen. The only reason I didn't was that I wasn't sure how widespread the nickname was, and knew I'd picked it up from you, which might have been a bit of a giveaway! But I did remember him well from reading old games a couple of years back. :)
Lhuna:
Nilp is flattered. :D On that note, for a while back in Day 1 I spent some time looking at how the members abbreviated your name, and was nervous they might notice that both Kath and I called you Hui! Because if we hadn't been packmates, I would have referred to you by your whole name first until a common nickname I feel comfortable using emerges from the thread.
At this rate, so long as Ka stays safely out of actual votes and ceteris paribus, they might indeed manage to lynch innocents for two more Days!
In case I couldn’t hold off my vote toDay and would have to vote ahead of everyone, do you have any suggestions about how I should cast my vote? I’m not sure voting for Boro again is as safe as it was yesterDay, and I’m concerned that voting for Eönwë will turn the InnoCuties off from doing so. My default will always be voting for Brinniel, of course.
You know, I’m contemplating making a serious analysis of whether I was bussed or not, and what each scenario implies about the remaining villagers. If I generate the time and patience to do so, I’ll run it by you first before posting it.
Okay, so I swear this started off serious in my head, but it quickly degenerated into this:
Quote: Lhuna (subject to your approval)
A Lhuna-nalysis
Let me shamelessly steal Eönwë’s list, for reference. I assume this is accurate.
Lhuna -> Eönwë
Eönwë -> Boro
QT -> Lhuna
Inzil -> Lommy
Lottie -> Boro 2
Greenie -> Zil
The Ka -> Lhuna 2
Pitchwife -> Eönwë 2
Lalaith -> Lhuna 3
Lommy -> Lhuna 4
Rune -> Eönwë 3
Kath -> Lhuna 5
Shasta -> Lhuna 6
Boro -> Eönwë 4
Brinn -> Lhuna 7
Scenario 1: Lhuna was bussed.
Scenario 1.1: Lhuna was bussed by all of her packmates.
Infectors: Ka, Lommy, Kath, Shasta, Brinn
Scenario 1.2: Lhuna was bussed by some, but not all, of her packmates.
Infectors: Eonwe, Lottie, Greenie, Ka, Lommy, Rune, Kath, Shasta, Boro, Brinn
Scenario 2: Lhuna was not bussed.
Scenario 2.1: The villagers brilliantly executed her while her packmates stood aghast, unable to do anything.
Infectors: Eonwe, Lottie, Greenie, Rune, Boro
Scenario 2.2: The villagers brilliantly executed her and her packmates decided to come along for the ride.
Infectors: Eonwe, Lottie, Greenie, Ka, Lommy, Rune, Kath, Shasta, Boro, Brinn
Scenario 3: Lhuna sacrificed herself for the greater good.
Scenario 3.1: Her packmates wholeheartedly supported her sacrifice.
Infectors: Ka, Lommy, Kath, Shasta, Brinn
Scenario 3.2: Her packmates were divided about her willingness to sacrifice herself.
Infectors: Eonwe, Lottie, Greenie, Ka, Lommy, Rune, Kath, Shasta, Boro, Brinn
Did I miss anything?
Huinesoron:
Snort. Yeah, I think that's about right for the QT. Not that you need my approval, but I say it looks good. :)
It is looking like the pack have decided to bus Ka now, presumably to demonstrate Boro's bona fides? My main problem with this is that it points to a 'Boro is last wolf standing' endgame, and I worry he's been making too many waves to win in that scenario. Particularly if the Seer looks at him!
Lhuna:
It's surprising to me that the Seer hasn’t come and called him out yet, but I think xe’s aiming to get all of them before revealing. A Kath’s last stand scenario is more likely at this point, and maybe she could win if she’s not caught by the Seer, but that means the game will have to last longer. It feels like it’s been going on for ages already!
I was going to ask for your approval when I had planned to do it seriously, but I figured I might as well run this by you first in case you had anything to add. Haha.
Huinesoron:
Quote: Greenie
I still think scenario 1 is more likely, but I managed to make scenario 2 [BoroWolf] sound like such an awesome stroke of evil genius that I’ll be almost disappointed if it’s not true
Good news, Greenie…!
Lhuna:
TEEHEEHEE
Boro will no longer be able to join a Downsmoot with the Finns without getting heavily beaten up after this game.
Huinesoron:
It would be really nice if the Cuties could start indicating what they were thinking of doing. How can we manipulate their votes if we don't know what they'll be? :O
I still think waiting for an Eonwe vote to gather momentum, and then mass-posting to tip it over the top, would be a great way to mess with their heads (and confirm that we're actively trying to get them to vote for innocents). We could use it to lead into something like a just-too-early Kath or Boro vote toMorrow.
Failing that, would a Brinn vote actually be safe, if for instance they were angling towards Kath? Or would we be safer to try and jump on the Kath vote early enough to derail it?
Lhuna:
Quote: Lommy
What if Borowolf was setting himself up for a fake seer reveal the whole time?? And then toDay, he chickened out for some reason, and decided to claim he's an ordo trying to fake to be the seer?
Maybe because if he made his seer claim toDay and there was a counter claim from the real seer, even if we believed him and lynched the real seer, we could bag a wolf toMorrow by lynching him.
While maybe he figured that he can't wait until toMorrow to make the claim after his parting post yesterDay which was going to look fishy otherwise.
I mean, it is important for the wolves that we lynch an innocent both toDay and toMorrow. Then they win. If we lynch a wolf on one of those Days, the game continues still. A fake seer reveal might start looking like a worse choice than just crossing their fingers that the actual seer hasn't dreamt of any wolves?
I guess her earlier outburst and lying down for a while helped clear her head a lot.
Let’s see how we can set up the vote toMorrow, but for now I’ll opt to hold my vote until it’s clear which way they’re going to vote. Thank God it’s Friday.
Quote: Greenie
What's going on with Brinn? She's still playing pretty safe and uncontroversial.
Here we go.
If Brinn were really our packmate, we’re giving her the best cover so far by insisting we vote for her every time.
I just had an idea. Maybe Boro is bussing Ka now over RL issues - she did say she was going to be busy starting next week over the funeral/memorial service for her boyfriend’s dad - but going about it such that Ka stays alive for as long as possible until the rest of the villagers decide to lynch her.
I mean, he practically did the same thing for me, only it worked faster.
I’ll (try my best to) be back again an hour before QTDL.
Huinesoron:
And now Rikae is wall-of-texting in the QT. -_-
At 40 minutes to QTDL, the game thread has one vote on Ka (Shasta); nobody in the QT has voted. If the QT starts to follow the Ka-train, it might be worth trying to support it to divert them; that would work well if they go for an innocent we can pull the same trick on toMorrow. If they went for a wolf… well, we could not try to divert it, I guess? It's all very tangled.
At least the village seems pretty convinced of Boro's innocence. Now if only they'd go ahead and lynch Eonwe already!
Lhuna:
Let’s hope the Living don’t come up with the very valid reasoning behind Eonwe’s probable innocence the way the Quarantined have…
Huinesoron:
Here's hoping. Though his continued attempts to paint Generally Trusted Boro as a wolf might be enough to swing the vote his way.
Lhuna:
Oh gosh. I think Rune’s the Seer.
Huinesoron:
Reason? #1343, I assume, but… why?
Lhuna:
Gut feel. Haha sorry I can’t be more concrete. I just think Rune’s playing a bit differently from what I recall of him.
Haven’t caught up with the GT yet, currently on #1324. I see Greenie has come up with said valid reasoning I mentioned above.
Huinesoron:
I've looked at practically all of them and gone "they sound like a Seer… but they're also going heavily in on an innocent." Could it actually be Brinn, lurking deep undercover in the same manner as Ka & Kath? I really feel like I haven't noticed her do anything.
I'm thinking pile on whoever hits 2 votes first. We have one on Brinn already.
And did it.
Lhuna:
We’re all crazy.
Huinesoron:
Completely. But if we look crazy because we're trying to protect Eonwe…
Quote: Ka
Since I'm pretty much dead to rights anyways…
Um… pretty sure that phrase usually means "you have successfully caught me, the guilty party". Am I wrong?
Lhuna:
I have a confession to make: Still haven’t made much progress on the GT. Off to read now.
Huinesoron:
No problem, I know it's late. :) She's not actually confessing, just saying she won't be around much.
Oh heck, apparently Ka's on 3 now; I missed Greenie voting for her. Explains why she's so convinced she's for the chop. (3 on Ka, 2 on Brinn, 1 on Eonwe, with 5 more to vote: Boro, Kath, Lommy, Lottie, and Eonwe.)
Lhuna:
Just read Rune’s vote. Okay maybe he’s not the Seer.
Maybe Eonwe is and he’s still not revealing himself.
Quote: Boro
Fair enough, I'll just say though, I'm not the only one dropping seer hinting like crazy over the last couple days. I feel like we have 5 seers or none.
*chortles*
Quote: Boro
I considered making it interesting...because I trust Lommy and Kath more, but I don't trust Eonwe. Them and myselves I believe who we have left to vote?
I considered Brinn, because I don't know what the QT is trying to do, but I don't trust THE Ka, and she added on to vote Brinn.
I think the time for plans and tricks is over. A missed wolf today and we're in big trouble. So...
++THE Ka
Am I paranoid, or did he pretty much admit that he knows Ka is a wolf? And if he’s not the Seer, there’s only one way he would know that.
I don’t think Boro’s going to emerge from this toMorrow unscathed, because if I were an ordo I wouldn’t believe anyone could be this lucky. First Lhuna, now Ka? No way.
NIGHT 7
Huinesoron:
PM I just attempted to send to Ka, stored here until she makes some mailbox space:
Hey Ka, welcome to the other half of the pack. We like to think we have more fun over here, but that may be because we're both drunk on the lack of tension. :D
I know you're having a rough time, and if you want to straight-up check out of the game that's totally fine. But if you still have the time and inclination to play, we'd love to hear... uh... what in the name of Nienna is going on amongst the living wolves, basically!
Lhuna very kindly made a CutieWolf night chat Google Doc:
Though it's actually an all-the-time chat, because the QT-bar is open around the clock. :D We've been trying to use it to coordinate our votes right at the DL, but to be honest the Cutiennocents have been so united it hasn't been much use. But we live in hope!
The Cuties were all firmly convinced [B]Boro[/B] was the Seer, and they still think he's innocent; they're angling towards voting [B]Eonwe[/B] tomorrow, which is totally fine by me.
hS
Lhuna:
Thanks, Hui! I’ve changed our chat doc’s name accordingly. :p
Hello, Ka! Dittoing Hui’s question about what the Angamandi was going on over on your side of the village - once you have time to spare, of course. Have a safe trip. :)
Also, I can hardly wait to see the look on Lommy’s face when Boro’s identity is revealed. I hope Leggie manages to catch it on camera. *evil laugh*
So, with an Infector being quarantined every 2 days so far, that pattern needs to be broken for us to win 3 Nights from now.
Huinesoron (PM to Ka & Lhuna):
Welcome to the QT-bar!
Hey Ka, welcome to the other half of the pack. We like to think we have more fun over here, but that may be because we're both drunk on the lack of tension.
I know you're having a rough time, and if you want to straight-up check out of the game that's totally fine. But if you still have the time and inclination to play, we'd love to hear... uh... what in the name of Nienna is going on amongst the living wolves, basically!
Lhuna very kindly made a CutieWolf night chat Google Doc:
Though it's actually an all-the-time chat, because the QT-bar is open around the clock. We've been trying to use it to coordinate our votes right at the DL, but to be honest the Cutiennocents have been so united it hasn't been much use. But we live in hope!
The Cuties were all firmly convinced Boro was the Seer, and they still think he's innocent; they're angling towards voting Eonwe tomorrow, which is totally fine by me.
hS
Ka (PM to Huinesoron):
Hey Huin!
Thanks for the PM, things kind of come and go, but I'm doing better. We're driving right now and for the next few days down to the service so I don't mind hanging out with everyone and to help you and Lhuna out. I only have my phone at the moment, so my interaction my be limited at times due to where we're driving.
I have a copy of the living wolf Google doc up until yesterDay to refer to as needed if you guys want me to email it to you, but I can also update you in your own doc myself.
Also, if ordo cuties still think boro is the seer, they may not for long. That's hilarious they think eonwe is a wolf... But I kind of antagonized Shasta to try and split them up or at least put some mistrust. It kind of worked.
I'll go over more in the Google doc, let you guys know who we thought the seer was besides Pitch.
See you in a bit,
Ka
Ka -
Hey you two. Put the doc app on my phone so this should go a little better for interaction. Again, my service might be limited since we're driving and some areas we're going through may not have service so I apologise I'm not trying to ignore anyone.
Oooh, do I have some tea…
So, it's funny that the ordos in QT think Boro still is the seer. He sort of made others come around that he was 'being Boro' and trying to bluff to save the seer and throw off the wolves. He came up with it the other Night about doing his 'reveal' and it actually worked. Lommy and a few others bought it hook, line, and weight.
Eonwe though… did not seem too happy. Which brings me to our seer suspects as other the previous Night:
We settled on Pitch, obviously wasn't correct (as much as I misread into it… my bad).
Runners up were either Greenie (still a very big possibility) or Eonwe. The latter we were weighing and were the more unsure of. All we knew is that if Boro didn't pull his fake reveal off they weren't going to go for me and both choose for him instead. I've been trying for three Days at that point to make people kill me, but the quickest way was implicating myself inbetween Eonwe and Rune suspicion. Shasta immediately bit into it, even more after we voted for one another, which allowed a little more distance between Shasta and Eonwe. Now Shasta and Lottie are a little more in the same camp after catching me. Eonwe looks suspicious pretty universally now, since ordos in the game thread are going to see that I repeatedly singled out Rune in writing as innocent and that Rune defended himself against me while Eonwe was quiet anytime Rune or I was brought up with them.
Lottie was a sort of runner up to being a seer, but not a strong candidate overall. They mostly jump in after at least two others they trust initiate an argument first (and who they trust changes pretty much every other Day…).
As for who Boro and Kath are going to vote for toNight, it would either be Eonwe or Greenie. Eonwe would be the safer of the two, because Greenie is narrowing in on Kath which tells us she might not be buying Boro's seer fake reveal and is going ahead with her previous work. If Greenie is the seer, she's mistrusting Lommy even a little because of how she reacted to Boro's stunt and if anything is using it as a cover to continue dreaming for wolves. Boro knew yesterDay if we didn't manage to get the seer they'd dream of them and the ordos in the game thread know this as well. So, pressure is on. If Eonwe is still alive toDay, we might want to bide time a little and encourage suspicion. I can help with that, since everyone thinks we were a pack with Brinn, etc.
DAY 7
Ka:
Welp they went with Shasta then, but that does make Eonwe look a little more guilty.
Huinesoron:
It definitely makes Eonwe look guilty. So, any ideas on how we can make use of this?
Ka:
May have to wait for Shasta to say something.
Zil guessed it right:
"Thing is, even if they Night-kill the Seer, they can count on the Innocents dutifully following every vote of ours afterward."
We were discussing that the other Night trying to find the best potential seer. Last two days after the QT vote selected Lhuna, majority were waffling until the QT vote hit and taking it as some prophet.
We can encourage them to suspect Eonwe, but they're definitely waiting for Shasta to reveal something about them than me from what it looks like. I'll go check the GT too.
So, looks like everyone is waiting on Shasta and the infamous Brinn vote or another combo.
Also from Lottie over in GT:
"Two more wolves. It's gotta be Eonwe, and I'm almost positive the other one is Brinn. I don't want to go around counting any chickens, but I think we're in a good position here."
Oh, dear me. :-p
Lhuna:
I'm starting to wonder if there's even a Seer in this game at all. 🤔
Ka:
Heh. Well, I mean, if it makes the ordos think that more than us, I'm for it.
Also, from Eonwe:
"I also think I'm going to have to go back and re-evaluate my opinions on everyone, since clearly I have no idea what's going on."
Suuuure.
Lhuna:
I just had a horrible realisation that if the Innocent Child reveals toDay or toMorrow, it won't bode well for Boro and Kath. Gah.
If Lottie is indeed the Seer, I don't understand how she's so far off. Surely, surely the Seer has dreamt of Boro by now. This is what I don't understand. Unless xe's still waiting to catch the other Infector before revealing, in which case Kath sure is doing an excellent job avoiding detection.
Ka:
Seems like they were using Shasta as a cover if they are. Their #1387 post is a big pat on the back.
That's some of the reason why Boro, Kath, and I didn't put Lottie higher on the seer list, because they'd had plenty of opportunities to build suspicion on either Boro and then me when I voted for them with Rune and then dream about either of us.
Kath has done amazing. The only person who has pegged Kath and I anywhere close to the mark is Greenie which is why we suspected her as seer strongly or at least knew the longer we remained in the game together Greenie wouldn't have other players as distractions.
Lhuna:
I'm afraid I won't be able to hold my vote near the QTDL anymore toDay (that's 3 AM my time, and I have to wake up for work at 5 AM), so do you think it's too risky to vote for Eönwë so early in the Day? Should I vote for default Brinn instead?
Ka:
Hmmm. Seems like the GT is being pretty tight lipped so far so I'm not seeing anything overt on how Eonwe is gonna move forward. Brinn is silent as usual. I mean, the Brinn vote is sort of a joking expectation, but now it might actually mean something. Especially to Eonwe and Lottie.
Eonwe from their infamous list pegs Rune and Boro as likely wolves and Lottie and Brinn as overall innocent. They're mixed on Greenie. The Lottie verdict is interesting because from what they posted, they believe Eonwe or Brinn as wolves. I guess Eonwe believes that on voting pattern alone Lottie is innocent, but if Brinn is a wolf then not so much. So, to get Eonwe to vote Lottie it would take convincing that Brinn is a wolf? My brain is rather foggy right now, been driving for eleven hours so I might be off completely.
For example, if I vote Greenie and so does the majority of the QT, it would convince Eonwe at least since Greenie has voted for innocents until me yesterDay (they're convinced if so, I was the selected sacrificial wolf) and that Brinn is possibly a wolf as well based on when they voted around Greenie.
Eonwe might not be too much of a risk, but since it's us… if I did with you it might hurt or help Boro since he like Rune has been voting for Eonwe repeatedly. They'd take it as a sign from the QT that Eonwe is believed innocent.
Huin do you have any insights to help?
Huinesoron:
Unfortunately no. :( It's worth remembering that the Good Guys have us heavily outnumbered in the QT, so all we can do is influence them. Even with you holding the tie-breaker, it would take a really weird situation for that to be significant.
Lhuna:
I’ll go ahead with a Brinn vote shortly. I imagine the InnoCuties have decided to ignore everything we have to say about the game, as 4 Days have passed and a CutieWolf hasn’t yet made a significant slip in the QT, but I’ll take whatever chance I can get to confuse them. Is Brinn really innocent, or an Infector we’ve so far done an effective job “protecting”? So, here goes nothing.
By the way Hui, I just noticed your edit. Thank you for sharing your early monologues. :D
Huinesoron:
No problem. :) I think you're right that they're pretty much ignoring us at this point (even when we were all voting Brinn, the rotters!).
Lhuna:
CRAP. I knew xe was going to reveal toDay and compel the Innocent Child to come forward.
It’s hilarious that we’ve been voting for the Seer for how many Days now. But it’s unfathomable why she still didn’t choose to dream of Boro after his obvious Seer vibes and his ordo reveal.
But she caught Kath, and she was our best bet to win the game. Not to mention only 2 of her innocent dreams have been quarantined so far. Even if she doesn’t choose Boro tomorrow Night, it’s only a matter of time before he’s caught. Ugh. Well-played, Brinn.
Huinesoron:
Oh, Udun.
Right. Okay. And Rune is presumably the Innocent Child, since Lottie hasn't come out as such.
Is this salvageable?
Scenario 1: Kath counterclaims and is (somehow) believed
Day 7: Brinn lynched, revealed as Seer (5/2)
Night 8: Known innocent nightkilled. (4/2)
Day 8: Kath lynched (4/1)
Night 8: Known innocent nightkilled (3/1)
Day 9: CutieSeer directs the lynch against Boro (3/0) Village win
Soooo that's a no. What about if the Innocent Child doesn't reveal toDay, and Brinn dreams them tonight?
Scenario 2: Innocent Child remains undercover
Day 7: Kath lynched (6/1)
Night 8: BrinnSeer nightkilled. (5/1)
Day 8: QT still has two options so votes for known innocent (eg Lommy) > Innocent (Lottie?) lynched (4/1)
Night 8: Known innocent nightkilled (3/1)
Day 9: Best case: Rune?IC still undercover, lynched (2/1)
Night 9: Known innocent nightkilled (1/1) Wolves win
But… the only reason the Innocent Child would not reveal is if they value their own survival over victory. A reveal now would mean the village wins on Day 8, but might mean the IC dies Night 8 (since there's no point killing a Seer who can provide information from the dead). And in any case, they would pretty definitely reveal Day 9 before being lynched. We'd have to somehow push the QT into mass-voting for them, and to do so before they revealed, so as to get two votes on them first (assuming Boro saw and immediately voted along).
Okay, I think the only option remaining to me is to try and psychologise the Cuties a bit. That means voting Brinn or Kath, Kath or Brinn… I have no idea how they're going to read me, so I think I'll go Brinn.
Lhuna:
So I tried to sleep but couldn't…
I think the best thing Boro's fake Seering has accomplished is that now they are actually second-guessing Brinn's reveal. :D
I'm not sure if the Innocent Child has its own directive to survive above all else, and it's strange that at this point neither Lottie nor Eönwë nor Lommy had urged the IC to come forward.
I suggest go with Kath, Hui, but that's just me. If you could wait to see how this plays out, all the better. Let them confuse themselves for now.
Huinesoron:
Already voted, sorry. :(
Lhuna:
Eek. Ah well. Let's just see how it goes. :) I'd pretty much given up the game for lost the moment Brinn revealed, and am loth to revive any hope of winning. :p
(Thanks for editing. On my phone.)
Huinesoron:
(No problem, I know how much of a nightmare that can be.)
I think our only possible win comes if the IC (Rune, almost certainly) thinks they have to survive at all costs. Because otherwise, yeah, there's no hope. :)
But even if we lose, it's been a wild ride.
And now Brinn has pointed at my Scenario 2 (from the Village perspective), so it's even more out there.
Boro is (deliberately?) leaving the Innocent Child out of his calculations, which could maybe mean they forget to reveal. But it's… not likely.
Lhuna:
Okay, this game is practically over, and the Cuties are the only ones having a hard time believing it. :D
I'm going to sleep. See you all toMorrow, whatever it may have in store…
Ka:
Ok, I might just be late to everything, but I thought Nog revealed that Shasta was the IC with last Night's kill?
Otherwise, I was going to vote Rune in the QT, because no one is going to believe or doubt themselves if I vote Eonwe as they think we worked together before my exit from the GT.
From Brinn:
"If the final wolf kills me toNight, you'll hear from me via the QT. If Boro is evil the QT vote will be for him. If he's innocent, the QT vote will be for Rune."
Brinn puts it as 10-5, so doesn't believe we can throw it and I have to kind of agree.
NIGHT 8
Huinesoron:
"There never was much hope…"
Just for kicks: toMorrow there will be 15 in the QT, with five on Team Evil. If Boro kills Innocent Child Lottie toNight, there's a chance of leveraging the doubt on Brinn. If we got three of the innoCuties to vote for anyone other than Boro, we could pile on to send that through as the QT vote. Still wouldn't win us the game, but if it brought us one last ++Brinn… :D
If just one of the Innocuties votes third party, Kath's tiebreaker means we'd only need two to vote with us.
I tried to PM Kath, but her inbox is full. For reference:
Hey Kath, welcome to the other half of the pack. We're definitely in trouble and have no chance. :(
If you want to while away toNight and toMorrow in appropriately lupine company, Lhuna set us up a Perpetual hat doc:
Hope to see you there!
hS
Ka: I put a nudge in my last QT post for her to check her PMs, so hopefully she'll clear up some room and we can try again.
Lhuna:
I think I'd like that gin and tonic now. :p
(RL note: Lhuna doesn't drink)
Ka: I was really confused for a hot minute when Lommy said I had misquoted QT as GT, because honestly I might have, but I'm fine with it being the gin and tonic thread just for the drinks. :-p
I can try to make a mock gin and tonic for you, no worries.
Huinesoron (PM to Kath):
Welcome to the QT-bar!
Hey Kath, welcome to the other half of the pack. We're definitely in trouble and have no chance. :(
If you want to while away toNight and toMorrow in appropriately lupine company, Lhuna set us up a Perpetual hat doc:
Hope to see you there!
hS
Huinesoron:
Personally, I have a long tradition of 'drinking' heavily in online settings despite not actually drinking/not drinking much in real life. So I'm always happy to raise a fictional glass in the G&T thread. :)
Kath:
Hey gang. We were so … damn ...close! Literally was a choice between Shasta and Brinn last Night. Doh!!!
Ka:
Yeah after I saw the IC reveal and everyone just go for it I got worried. I swear though the Day prior Nog had me confused with Shasta being the IC in the narrative…
Before that reveal, pushing Eonwe and even Rune could have been easy.
Kath:
It has been an awesome ride though and I'm so glad it was with all of you!
Ka:
Same! It's brought back some good memories and it's been nice right now to talk, laugh, and vent with all of you. Plus, even looking outside of WW, it's been nice to see the Downs come more alive as we renew our old threads and make some new ones. Huin, I've been reading along to your Rhûn map scan thread and it's amazing.
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