How Long Gone
Episode 641
Lauren Sherman
May 8th, 2024
Chris Black
Our guest is here. Lauren Sherman. You probably subscribe to her newsletter at Puck called Line Sheet. It’s the only thing you need to read if you care about fashion. She also has a new podcast, and she’s joining us today to talk about the Met Gala with a fucking expert so I can shit on Sydney Sweeney’s wig with someone who knows more than me.
Jason Stewart
Tea.
Lauren Sherman
I’m happy to be here. Chris, you definitely knew I had not been on. Let’s be honest.
Chris
I know. I guess I did.
Lauren
I appreciate it. So you really don’t use the video at all?
Chris
We don’t use it for anything but turn it on sometimes.
Jason
Do you want it on? We can.
Lauren
It’s up to you. It’s just interesting. Like, isn’t there a big opportunity for advertisers to be...
Chris
Okay, Lauren. Yes, there is, but you know, Zoom is ugly. And if we change the way that we did this podcast, it would greatly limit our guests’ potential, which would make it less fun for us.
Lauren
You would have to get glam for people.
Jason
Our guests would have to get glammed for us. People come on the pod, and they’re like, “Oh, thank God, I can just wear my Vuori sweats.”
Lauren
Is there anyone coming on your podcast who is wearing Vuori? No. Do we even know how to pronounce it?
Jason
Matt Belloni probably has a pair. They’re Ringer-coded.
Chris
One of Jason’s little comedians might wear some because comedians dress like shit.
Jason
I hear Bill Simmons talking about Vuori all the time. He’s like, “During COVID, I was just walking around all day, and I realized I don’t like wearing hard pants anymore. I just like wearing these soft kind of fuzzy pants.” He’s sort of big-selling the look everyone complains about seeing at the airport now.
Lauren
I see him walking around his neighborhood in those pants because I have a trampoline class across the street from his house. I see him doing “walk and talks” all the time.
Chris
Bills too rich to be to be wearing fucking athleisure. That’s the problem. But the richer you are, the more willing you are to wear it.
Jason
Is the trampoline class for you or your child?
Lauren
No, it’s definitely for me. I don’t think he’s ever been on a trampoline.
Chris
Smart. Keep him off.
Lauren
Yeah, those are dangerous. Karolyn has probably gone to this class. It’s called Frmation. It’s like strength training and a little bit of trampoline for cardio. I try to go once a week. I love it. And the trampolines are supposed to be better on your body than running.
Jason
You just cranked out a little half marathon not too long ago, right, Sherman?
Lauren
Kind of, only 11 Miles.
Chris
What the fuck kind of distance is that?
Lauren
It was in Big Sur. I think the distance was different because of the terrain, I’d guess.
Chris
I love that most people go to Big Sur to, you know, do drugs and make music, and you drive all the way up there to run.
Lauren
Well, you know... I found out about it when I went to Esalen.
Chris
Oh God, where do we start...
Jason
Did anyone touch you inappropriately?
Lauren
It was like 2017. I paid a shit ton of money to go there on my own. So what are you talking about, those weird massages?
Chris
Yeah, what actually happens there? I know Jason goes to Burbank for his little weird massages. I’ve seen many people who have gone and returned with a lot of logo merchandise. And it just seems a little weird and culty.
Lauren
It’s really weird. And you know who I went there with? That guy Jordan Firstman. Before he was famous.
Chris
I’m sorry to hear that.
Lauren
He definitely used it because he was a TV writer on that mystery show. And he clearly went to Esalen for material.
Chris
Search party? Yes.
Jason
Nice way to expense a spa retreat.
Lauren
Mad Men had just ended, and there were all these articles about the finale episode being inspired by Esalen. I was like, You know what, this is a great solo vacation. I signed up. I paid way too much money.
Jason
How much was it, though?
Lauren
Like $3000.
Jason
This was almost 10 years ago. So, adjust for inflation, right?
Lauren
Yeah. So I went up there. I flew to Monterey, and the guy who drove me to Big Sur told me about the marathon. I signed up for the marathon because it looked so beautiful driving back and forth from the airport. But I went to Esalen for seven days. There’s no internet in the room. Only at the cafe during food times; otherwise, they shut that off, too. We spent a lot of time reading and looking at fine art through the lens of meditation. The guy who ran it was a professor at NYU. The meditation part was great. And the massage is like a beautiful outdoor healing massage thing, but at night, they might have naked massage parties. I didn’t go to those. But overall, it was a very funny experience.
Chris
That’s what we do here. But let’s get to the matter at hand. Last night was the first Monday in May, the Met Gala. Jason and I both watched it. We have our opinions. But what is your overall takeaway from fashion’s biggest night?
Lauren
I had breakfast with someone this morning who said it’s becoming more and more neutered, and I thought that was a good word for it. But congratulations to the Met. They raised $26 million. A lot of celebrities came. Many fashion brands didn’t have tables this year, but they got their money. Vogue got lots of traffic, and Condé Nast got lots of advertising dollars, but I didn’t think it was super strong overall.
Chris
So why did Lana Del Rey look like the ghost from a Disney ride?
Lauren
Exactly. The biggest issue was everybody looked sort of, I don’t want to say, ugly, but did you notice that every woman’s hair was matted down?
Chris
Yes. The “wet” look works on Rita Ora in a see-through dress, but not for everyone. I thought everyone looked so sad, though. It made Zendaya look bad, and she never looks bad.
Lauren
Yeah, she looked super miserable. Very unhappy.
Chris
I’d be unhappy if I had to share the Sprinter with Law Roach all night, too.
Jason
Sherman, you mentioned this earlier. Why do you think fashion brands didn’t pay for tables this year? And other brands did? Is it a bad sign when TikTok is paying for the tables instead of Gucci?
Lauren
TikTok, Instagram, and Amazon are the people with the money. Fashion brands can be cheap. Louie Vuitton had a big table last year, so maybe they didn’t want to do it this year, that sort of thing.
Chris
That’s how everything in the world is now. It’s all paid for by tech. That’s the only people who have any money.
Jason
How expensive are these tables? Can’t Gucci afford a table?
Lauren
Gucci sponsors LACMA and the LACMA Gala, which, to be honest, is a much more fun situation for everybody involved. It’s just one brand, a bunch of celebrities, but everyone is very chill because they’re on their own turf, whereas this is super stressful for people. They have to walk up those steps by themselves. They can’t take their publicity or their agent.
Jason
Some of them have to be carried up the steps because their bodies don’t work in their clothes.
Lauren
Exactly. Overall, it was successful, and I’m sure they’re happy, but if you want to just talk about the pure theme and why that didn’t work, Anna Wintour is an editor. She knows you need to make something very clear, and the theme was not clear. So everybody looked dumb because they didn’t know what to wear.
Jason
When was the last time a theme worked at the Met Gala?
Chris
Or any party besides a white party; when has a theme ever been clear?
Lauren
I think the Gilded Age one was pretty good because everybody just wanted to look super-rich.
Chris
(Laughs) Sure.
Lauren
I thought everyone looked totally insane for the camp theme, but in a fun way, whereas last night, everybody looked depressed and miserable.
Chris
I’ll tell you what, Lizzo looked like a damn shit-colored funnel. I’ve never seen anything like it. Also, for the fellas, it’s like, you know what? If you invite me to the Met Gala, I’m wearing a fucking tuxedo. I don’t really care if it’s on theme. That’s that’s a better choice.
Jason
I prefer to give more of a look.
Chris
You need to be boring. Like, Barry Keoghan looked like shit.
Jason
I think there’s still a wide spectrum between boring and whatever that was.
Chris
Would you rather look like Tom Ford or Barry? Those are your options. Tom Ford was wearing Tom Ford, and he looked great, as he always does.
Lauren
It was actually YSL by Anthony Vaccarello. But you know who made an interesting comment about Tom Ford: the menswear guy on Twitter, who I’m sure you both love.
Chris
He’s never made an interesting comment, but go ahead.
Lauren
He said that Tom Ford uses broad hair (I think it’s called broad hair) in his suits to make you look like Superman. Like, really stiff, with broad shoulders. And I think Tom looks better in that. The Saint Laurent did not have that. It was a much softer shoulder. And I liked what Tom Ford had on. I thought he looked good, but I agree he looks better with a sharper shoulder. It was just an interesting point, but it was kind of crazy that he did not wear his own brand.
Chris
Do you think that's a sign of something? Or do you think it was like, “I just wanted to switch it up?”
Lauren
Oh no, I think it was a choice. It was a petty wat to say, “I don’t like what the guy who now designs my brand is doing.”
Chris
That’s for sure.
Jason
And that was his boy, right?
Lauren
Yeah, he worked for him for 20 years. It wasn’t the classiest way to do it.
Jason
What’s a classier way to do that?
Chris
Yeah, what’s the classiest way to shit on your successor?
Lauren
Just tell the company that you think he’s doing a bad job.
Chris
Yeah, but that’s no fun because then the public doesn’t get to know.
Jason
Tom’s look was safe as always, but he did look good. I wrote this on my little notes app: “Tom Ford is proof that if you spend enough money, you can look 39 forever.”
Lauren
He does look good. I thought the Galliano people looked kind of depressing. The pieces were gorgeous, but they all looked dour and sad, like Kim Kardashian. I really was worried for her. I thought she was going to pass out.
Chris
Kim looks snatched, though, that waist.
Lauren
That is not real!
Jason
It’s an illusion, Chris.
Chris
Yeah, but it looks good. What do you want?
Lauren
It did not look good. It looked like she was about to pass out. There was a vein popping out of her head because she wasn’t getting any oxygen. I thought the dress was gorgeous, and I loved the shrug.
Chris
That’s why we like her, though, because Kim Kardashian takes it to the fucking limit. She puts her foot on the fucking gas, she’s going 100 miles an hour. And I think that there needs to be some respect for that.
Lauren
Yeah, I mean, it’s an art project. She’s like a 15-year art project, right?
Jason
Do you think this art project was better when Kanye was her creative director?
Lauren
He taught her a lot, yeah, from a fashion perspective.
Chris
He really did. It’s true.
Lauren
You can see the difference. I’m not saying that was a healthy relationship. But he’s influential. All these butts out? That’s him.
Lauren
Who’s his wife now?
Chris
Bianca, um...
Jason
West!
Lauren
You know that her butt being out so much has influenced these other butts being out?
Jason (sarcastically)
Yeah, and having to watch all this stuff has been terrible the last few months.
Chris
There’s just too many damn butts out.
Jason
More like the Meat Gala. Right, Lauren?
Lauren
Yeah, I guess so. Remember when Lady Gaga did a meat dress? Was that somewhere else?
Chris
I think so? I don’t remember. But I want to know how Jessica Biel got invited to the Met Gala in 2024.
Lauren
Didn’t she have a TV show or something? Wait, who was she wearing? We need to figure out.
Chris
It was some red something. The Daily Mail says she might have been on Ozempic.
Jason
You don’t fucking say.
Lauren
Not every celebrity is available to come. I know that Vogue, specifically Anna Wintour, is very, very particular about who takes who.
Chris
Anna Wintour gets the final say. Do you have to run it by her before you officially invite someone?
Lauren
Correct, 100%. And they match you up with someone, in many cases.
Chris
That’s so nice of our friends over at Vogue. It takes some work off of my plate.
Jason
But then you might have to wear a gown made by The Gap that is not so good.
Lauren
I mean, I think she (Da’Vine Joy Randolph) did not look happy, which is another misstep on their part. The only person that should ever wear a denim gown is Britney Spears. But back to Anna, she and her team are trying to make a fun, sparkly room. So they’re trying to find people who actually want to come. So maybe Jessica Biel has some TV show on Netflix that none of us have ever watched that she wants to promote. So her publicist got in front of it and made that request early. Also, brands will request people to come, and they’ll literally take a vote. There’s no real rhyme or reason regarding why someone might not get approved.
Jason
Yeah, it’s like pornography. You know it when you see it. They might look back at Jeremy Strong's decisions over the last few years and say, “Maybe not this time.”
Lauren
Yeah. I mean, he was wearing Loro Piana.
Chris
He looked awful. That was horrible. That earring was a crime.
Jason
He looked like he was auditioning for the role of God in Heaven. I think a lot of people had a “heavenly” look to them, like a futuristic alien overlord kind of thing. I thought Elle Fanning had a lot of satin alien features.
Chris
Oh, Fanning looked good.
Lauren
She did look really good.
Jason
I want to know who does her airbrushing.
Chris
Gigi looked really good. I think the hair is working for her.
Jason
I thought so, too. Her dress, though, felt like a carton of Tropicana lemonade from the 90s. But it was nice to see Thom Browne not doing the whole thing where he just makes a dress out of a jacket, even though he also did that.
Lauren
Yeah, it was still sort of like that. I felt the most successful looks were those who did straight-up glam, like Gigi and Nicole Kidman. Honestly, Rosalia, too. That dress was so gorgeous. And I never liked Dior, but I thought it was really, really good.
Jason
I’m not a Dior hater or lover, but when Rosalia says “Dior” with that accent, I’m like, “Oh yeah, I get Dior now.” Also, what do you call that square lace fabric covering her face? It looked very “specific.”
Lauren
I think you would call that a veil. I could I can pull up the Fairchild Dictionary of Fashion right now if you’d like me to be sure, but I think that’s what it is.
Jason
The veil stays on, etc.
Lauren
Pardon?
Jason
In the few short years that I’ve been watching, I’ve noticed that the color palette for each Met is either boring, safe or just ugly. It could have been the edible I took, but I felt like this year’s colors felt right for the time. I felt like the Met Gala was actually setting a trend for the upcoming year’s colors, the way I imagine events like this used to do.
Lauren
Well, Jason, that sounds like real Tim from Project Runway stuff. I have no idea. I’ve never noticed that. You were looking at the color palette? Or did you just have nothing else to ask me?
Jason
I guess I didn’t think you would be outgunned at your game.
Lauren
I have not noticed that. I've covered the cocktail party a couple of times, and I’ve been in there, but I have not thought about that. I didn't notice more green.
Jason
Maybe see if Frommer (Lauren’s husband) has a couple of those micro-dose mushrooms lying around for next year...
Lauren
You know, Leandra Medine recently did a newsletter saying she thinks “slime green will be the new red” as the new “pop of color” that people will be wearing. So you might be right, Jason, but I’m not. I have to say I don’t pay extreme attention to detail. This is probably rare for a person who writes about fashion, but I have so much going on in my head that I will pick up one very specific detail, but that’s about it. So, no, I was not looking at the color palette of the steps, the carpet, or anything.
Jason
Literally, that was my one thing. I guess you and I are kind of the same.
Chris
It’s clear that you smoke weed, and Lauren doesn’t. That’s the only thing that’s clear about this.
Lauren
Definitely.
Jason
Every time we release a new episode, I have to choose three colors that go well together for our Instagram artwork. The way colors interact with each other is really top of mind for me as a “creative,” and you guys are just a little bit different.
Lauren
Sure. Do you all aspire to go to the Met Gala? Like how you did the GQ creativity awards. You should audition for the red carpet thing with Lala.
Chris
Oh, for sure.
Jason
Could you tell me how that auditioning process works?
Lauren
You could ping the people you know at Vogue and say, “Hey, we would love to do the Vogue livestream.”
Chris
I could do that. I don’t know if they’re going to say yes. So who does it now? It’s Lala, Emma Chamberlain. And isn’t there somebody else?
Lauren
Maybe Andy Cohen? Or, no.
Jason
I would love to do that. I think it’s still a very gate-kept industry, and a lot of people would like to do that job. I don’t know if we’re ever going to be asked for Vogue, but maybe a different outlet? I would rather be in attendance as an invited guest than a commentator. That’s just me.
Chris
Well, let me tell you something, Jason. You’ll never get invited as a guest, so this is the best we can get.
Jason
I’m not talking about “we”; I’m talking about “me,” Chris.
Chris
You’re definitely not going to get invited. I will bet $100,000 that you never get invited.
Jason
We’ll discuss details offline.
Chris
Is it even fun, though? Once you get inside, it doesn’t seem very fun.
Lauren
I think it’s probably fun because it’s so insular. It’s people you know, and there’s no journalist inside. There’s not a lot of gawkers. It’s just gonna be a bunch of celebrities and people in fashion.
Jason
I don’t think it’s all about having fun. It’s about having the photos on your grid and flexing on your haters.
Chris
My question is, what happens inside, though? You know what I mean?
Lauren
Well, I know there’s a musical performance. And it’s done by, like, 10 pm.
Chris
Do we know who played last night?
Jason
Ariana Grande was the “surprise performer.” Oh, and Cynthia Erivo.
Lauren
Erivo, yeah. That’s her costar in Wicked.
Jason
Oh, they’re doing Wicked together. That’s awesome.
Lauren
Yeah, I’m sure you guys are both really excited to see that.
Chris
It was really cool seeing them on the red carpet together. You could tell they hate each other. Cynthia Erivo was like, “I’m not walking down this red carpet with this bitch. Are you kidding me?” But the check is hitting.
Lauren
Cynthia seemed cool. Her dress was interesting, at least.
Chris
I agree. She always looks kind of crazy, in a good way.
Lauren
She wears Chanel really well.
Chris
Well, a lot of people don’t, so that’s something.
Lauren
Do you know who I thought did not look great? Speaking of Chanel? My queen Sofia Coppola.
Chris
I didn’t even see her.
Lauren
I recorded my podcast with Jacob Gallagher last night, and at the end of it, Jacob said, “I really thought Sofia Coppola looked great.” I hadn’t seen her yet, but I agreed with him anyway because I love her and always think she looks great. But I didn’t. I thought she looked much better last year.
Jason
I just pulled up the photo, and she’s dressed ike a grandma.
Lauren
It looked a little too Republican, her hair was a little, too.
Jason
She looks like a great First Lady.
Lauren
She does. She’s not blonde enough for you, though, Chris. And it’s just a little too quaffed.
Jason
Yeah, Sofia looks great, but it’s her decision whether or not to show that off.
Chris
Chanel isn’t really known for “showing it off.”
Lauren
I don’t know what it was, but it just wasn’t quite right.
Jason
An elevated beekeeper’s outfit.
Chris
We’re going elevated beekeeper, you can’t always hit a home run.
Lauren
But that’s the thing with Sofia. She always does. She KNOWS she has the best personal style. She knows herself so well. She never messes up.
Jason
Speaking of queens, what about Chloe Sev?
Lauren
She has really great boobs.
Jason
I don’t think I saw them?
Lauren
They looked great last night. She has an amazing body, and it looks cool. She seemed to like her outfit. I thought it was fine.
Jason
I’m looking right now.
Lauren
Speaking of color palettes, a friend of mine asked me last night why everyone seemed to be wearing black and white. I think it’s because everyone wants to look quote-unquote “chic” right now, and they think “chic” means black or white. There wasn’t a lot of color, which is interesting because it’s florals. But everybody was sort of in creams and silvery whites and all of that. But Chloe’s dress was cool. She didn’t look like anyone else. It didn’t look like she was posturing. I’m glad she didn’t wear actual Chloe, which I think is really pretty, and I loved the runway show, but I didn’t think the people who showed up in Chloe looked super great, including your girl Sienna Miller.
Chris
She didn’t look great. I hate to say that she didn’t look right. I think people overthink this shit a little too much. You know what I mean? Everybody cares too much.
Lauren
I think people should either want to look good or be totally nuts.
Jason
Yeah, no middle ground.
Lauren
I don’t want to keep going back to this weird hair stuff, but like, why are people doing that to their hair? Like, matting it down? The makeup was all really dark as well.
Chris
Hearing all the girls on E! talk about “goth” really sent me.
Lauren
Chris, did you go to a bunch of parties?
Chris
Hell no, everything started at midnight, and on a Monday! I did get invited to an Usher party, though.
Lauren
I also got invited to the Usher party but didn’t do anything. I went to my friend’s house, who is a magazine editor. I don’t want to out her because I don’t want her publisher to be like, “Oh, you’re friends with Lauren Sherman.”
Chris
It gets me in trouble all the time.
Jason
Everyone is afraid of you in this town, yeah?
Lauren
Some of her underlings were there, and I was trying to live tweet from the Puck account, which was extremely unsuccessful. Then her kid was running around singing and talking about Bad Bunny, and I was like, I should have just done this from the office. I went straight home after, though; I’d been out every night for five days. I was like, “I’m not gonna get a scoop at 11 pm at the SSENSE party with all these, like, drunk kids.
Chris
No, you are not.
Lauren
I just can’t keep talking to the people at those kinds of influencer dinners.
Chris
Yeah, I mean, I could talk to a brick wall, but you know how it is at those dinners. If your seatmate ain't up for it, it's gonna be a long night. You know what I mean?
Lauren
Yeah, it's it's really bad in LA. No offense, Jason, but going to that stuff in LA is tough.
Chris
Because you're sitting next to a brain-dead influencer.
Lauren
It's the same brain-dead influencer every single time.
Jason
We're trying, but we don't know any better.
Lauren
I get invited to a lot of different stuff, and it's always the same 15 people. They're lovely, but I spend more time with them than my actual friends. It feels like you’re getting real work done going to these events in New York because you’re meeting new people, and you're gonna run into someone on a Saturday.
Jason
Yeah, when you’re in New York, there’s a high probability that you will run into somebody and be saved when you’re out at one of these brain-dead things. But in LA, you go to that thing with those 15 dumbasses, and you are never going to be saved. You’re gonna get in your car and go home and be like, god dammit, I shouldn’t have done that.
Lauren
Exactly. Would you ever ask who else is going to these dinners? I wouldn’t. I would never do that.
Chris
Like “Who’s on the list?”
Lauren
Yeah, it’s so obnoxious.
Jason
Larry David talked about that on Curb; he doesn’t understand why he’s not allowed to know who will be there.
Lauren
He’s allowed, but that’s precisely why you don’t tell anyone.
Jason
Yeah, you have to trick people into going to your dinner party.
Chris
I always leave those dinners hungry, no matter how much food there is. I just went to a big Stone Island dinner at Carbone, and I don’t know if that’s the problem or if that’s just the nature of the beast.
Lauren
Well, Carbone probably has to do with the amount of salt in its dishes.
Jason
Also, Chris, with your restrictive diet, you might not be able to enjoy all the gifts from the kitchen.
Lauren
Yeah, if you’re eating, like, shaved asparagus.
Chris
I had plenty of food: a Caesar salad, a piece of fish. The only thing I didn’t eat was a pork chop.
Lauren
I would say it’s the salt, then. Their food is insane, and it will leave you hungry.
Chris
The reality is I don’t ever need to do anything, you know. I see it as work, but I don’t know if it benefits me. I just say yes.
Lauren
Well, you could also start asking to get paid to go.
Chris
No, I could not. I can ask, and they could say no.
Jason
Do you think anyone got paid to go to that Stone Island dinner at Carbone?
Chris
Definitely not.
Lauren
Maybe a more lower-rung brand? You could ask Moose Knuckles if they’d pay you to come to dinner.
Chris
Moose Knuckles would definitely have to write a check.
Lauren
I know the CEO, I can ask.
Chris
Okay, I know who to hit if I ever need anything from Moose Knuckles.
Jason
Speaking of Moose Knuckles, I had a question about somebody on the red carpet. As a mother, Sherman, could you confirm a tweet that I read earlier saying, “Ed Sheeran looked like a baby who just shit himself?
Lauren
Sounds right to me.
Jason
You know that look when your kid just filled up his diaper, and he kind of gives you a little smile?
Lauren
I will say that I really like his music a lot. I’m not really a follower of pop music, but he wrote many of the pop songs I like.
Jason
He’s your Antonoff.
Chris
He’s got hits.
Lauren
He does. I mean, yeah, I like that Justin Bieber song. I like a couple of his songs. He’s very talented.
Jason
Nobody is doubting his talent. What did you think about his look?
Lauren
I didn’t like any of the Stella McCartney looks. No offense. She’s fabulous.
Lauren
Chris, you mentioned Sidney Sweeney at the beginning. I thought her dress was good, but I don’t understand the wig. I actually thought the dress looked great.
Chris
The wig was too heavy. It was too distracting. It was so extreme.
Jason
What about Troye in his backless Prada waiter outfit?
Lauren
I thought he looked fine.
Chris
That was not fine.
Lauren
I really liked it!
Jason
I liked the bow tie on top of the collar on him.
Chris
I don’t care if you have a song about poppers. You don’t need to wear a backless shirt.
Lauren
I just wish more men would wear a nice tux.
Chris
That’s what I’m saying. Jason over here, “mister risk taker,” thinks everybody should wear backless shirts.
Jason
I’m saying there’s a spectrum between the plain-old Tom Ford tux with a white shirt and shiny shoes. And then, you know, Barry Keoghan’s velveteen chimney sweep thing. There’s a there’s a lot of room to play with.
Chris
In theory, there’s a lot of room to play. But I think in reality, there’s not.
Jason
Everyone is operating from a place of fear on the green/cream carpet.
Chris
I wish more men would operate from a place of fear. We would all be better off if men did.
Jason
Lauren, you were talking about this with Gallagher on your pod. About the boxier kind of suiting, I think you mentioned Childish Gambino’s look. Similarly, I thought Sam Smith had a Cedric the Entertainer vibe. Even Lena Waithe was sort of giving Katt Williams. Is this boxy suit trend on the way out? We’re not all built like Sam Hine, so it doesn’t always drape the way Saint Laurent intended.
Lauren
Yeah, Anthony Vaccarello did a big collection of boxy suits this past Fashion Week, but yeah, I mean, I love Armani. I’m into it. I think that the next thing that’s going to happen, though, is to just wear a fucking nice suit. The boxy trend won’t last forever if people keep “sticking out” too much. People generally just want to look decent and wear stuff that's comfortable.
Chris
We should leave the risk of taking up to women. It’s so rare for men to pull off a risky look that it’s not worth the gamble.
Lauren
I like a little risk-taking from people who are truly “doing their own thing,” but just a regular dude? I agree. It’s just annoying and distracting, and it looks silly. But Donald Glover clearly has an interest in fashion, whether you like it or not.
Chris
Oh, for sure. Which I think is exactly how mistakes are made.
Jason
Whether or not we agree that it looks good, we can at least agree he “has that shit on.”
Lauren
Yeah, like Bad Bunny last night, except I know I don’t need to see that.
Chris
I don’t need to see that either. All right, Lauren. Thank you for joining us on How Long Gone. Everybody, go subscribe to Puck to get Lauren’s newsletter. It comes out, what, twice a week?
Lauren
Three times a week.
Chris
Three times, Jesus Christ. They’re really working you over there.
Jason
And your new podcast?
Lauren
The podcast is twice a week, and the newsletter is three days a week. One of the three days focuses on the beauty industry with my Puck partner, Rachel Strugatz.
Jason
Beauty is really big right now.