Stuart
Hello there you found the lost holocrun an ancient artifact of Lo and legends from a galaxy far far away each transmission of the lost holocron. You'll be joining. You will join an episodic discussion of media from the star wars universe we will be your guides.
Tim
Hello. Everyone.
Stuart
Tim Kyle Scott
Kyle
Now in 3 d.
Scott
Um I need more bourbon.
Stuart
And I'm ste it. We will be covering. We'll be covering the material up to and including chapter 24 of airs the Empire Kyle what happened so far.
Kyle
Um, New Skywalker is disarmed and theymobilized in a sequence of events leading to us capture by smutterling Lord Ta um.
Stuart
So I think that's 23
Kyle
Oh up I was the thing was' 24 new what god oh no what's happening.
Tim
Its time to start playing the slow down version of our theme.
Kyle
Do do do dooo I can't find 24 on the documents. Let me go to the captain please stand by putop please please stand by.
Scott
Like fire Bramper burn. Yeah, like that and.
Tim
Ah, it's like our standby technical difficulties music.
Stuart
A fifth.
Tim
Ah.
Kyle
Um, my my max hedgerow.
Scott
Oh [blaster], What was that guy in recently.
Kyle
Yeah, as im always in 24 s isn't in my docks.
Scott
I Just saw something with that guy recently.
Stuart
It.
Stuart
Is he frozen for you guys too.
Kyle
What am I first.
Scott
Yep.
Scott
Thanks.
Tim
I'm just listening to the music.
Scott
Kyle looks like he's really enjoying something.
Tim
Ah.
Scott
Um, grotto.
Scott
There He is yep.
Stuart
Who is back.
Kyle
Um I use that every time we start the [blaster]ing intro My computer's like now.
Tim
Are.
Stuart
I.
Scott
Um.
Kyle
The.
Kyle
Leo Organosoto at Leo Organaolo has gone into hiding with chewbaca on it home water cassak cascique cas um, they or Goosolo has gone into hiding with chewbacca on its home world of cascique through their attempts.
Stuart
Kashik.
Kyle
Though their attempts seem like they may and be for not. Um, oh actually hey how do you I Re pronoununce the this kind thing my commit mask but mur.
Stuart
The the which one the planet Merco meka.
Scott
Um, merer Merer Mercur
Kyle
On meker Luke Skyworker having just escaped from the captured of smuggler tan card and Marro Jade crasses his and her pursuer onmerker new skywworker having just escaped from the capture of smuggler's talentling card in Marro Jade passes his and his pursuers starfighters into the forest jade and skywalker are tethered and dependent on each other for survival Luke is now at the mercy of this woman whose life. He supposedly wounded and wants him dead back at his compound Karld is hosting imperial vestation. Trying to hide from both imperials and new public representatives on solo and nano coverage in his. Oh. Um, back at his compound card is hosting an imperial visitation while trying to hide from both imperials and new appropriate representatives Han Solo and Naro covers in is dealing with its eat side while dealing with. His escaped prisoner Sky Walker who that was rough for me. Tim, what's going on tell me about the shelter for the glova god please.
Tim
Ah, well in this chapter car apologizes to Han and Lando after their dinner interruption by the imperials on presses card about his dealings with them but card refuses to sell them information. However, he does convince them to stay for their safety. Hann and Lando ostensibly returned to the falcon but brake off behind the treeline to play detective on the prisoner that card had been keeping in one of his storehouses while their investigation is interrupted by the reappearance of card they piece the clues together that Luke had been the prisoner card admits to the situation. Tu. Carded missed to the situation and tells them that as far as they know Luke and jade are safe and making their return through the forest on the chimera thrn suspects the truth of Carr's deception and Dispatches and dispatches a contingent of stormtroopers to lie in wait for the survivors of the crash. To emerge from the forest of the closest settlement in the forest as Dusk fades away mara grapples with her cognitive dissonance between newfound loyalties and her fierce independent streak. She is frustrated at the encumbrance of skywalker and atroid after putting down a wildborn skirt. She takes some stem pills and renews her determination to be the 1 to kill Skywalker when this is all through at his compound card laments his choices and now they have brought him to this predicament. He is reluctant to order the execution of Skywalker but would rather that than taking his chances having cross grand animal thron.
Tim
Card wonders if like his pet warnskers his domestication of Mara has taken enough to navigate a safe return.
Kyle
So I love I love that in the last chapter or maybe it this one but it was mentioned mar mentions like I've been training I go for walks during the day and night I
Scott
Oh yeah, yeah.
Stuart
A.
Kyle
Went and find wild animals. So I know how to take him down efficiently and it shows up because he just shoots it in the head I mean.
Tim
Um, yeah I Wonder how many different methods she tested.
Scott
She does all this research and just blam.
Stuart
Ah.
Kyle
I mean I do get it but it's just funny that is like I know the perfect way to take this thing down. It's like the way you take down most things.
Tim
His yeah yeah I do like this hyper prepared Mara though. Yeah.
Stuart
Yeah.
Scott
Um I do too and it's and I'm oh sorry. But I feel like she's she's much I like how she sees me a lot more practically trained and for like real world stuff. You know, even though you know.
Kyle
Um, yeah, also.
Stuart
Ah.
Scott
Whereas Luke without the force is just completely useless, but she's done all this training you know and in real life situations and it's it's like yeah, she's just so much better than him at this point.
Tim
Yeah.
Stuart
Ah.
Tim
Steart What lessons? do you think craya would try to teach marage aid.
Scott
Um.
Stuart
I Think she's goingnna be because I I think she's a model student for gray up should be chiding um chiding look that see look This is how it's supposed to be Done. You're supposed to be doing this thing. Swatting him with a little bit of newspaper.
Tim
Yeah.
Scott
Right? Well he didn't exactly have like a ah boot camp or anything like that. You know to go through. He just had the swamp training with with Yoda but that was all force training that was well.
Tim
I Mean maybe he did.
Stuart
A.
Tim
But I mean like maybe that in the rebellion. They have to train their troops at least a little bit.
Scott
Yeah I mean see that's why it's right? That's why it's believable for for Lea because she would have learned how to do not necessarily like go through boot camp or anything but you know she would have learned a lot to do with me.
Stuart
Yeah, yeah.
Tim
That senator training.
Stuart
Um, so.
Scott
Well no, not necessarily to also but you know like as a child you know because it says she had a lot of self-defense training and such I feel like she would have had a lot of 1 on 1 training for real world situations and self-defense and and such like that maybe not like you know how to survive at a forest per se but um, you know she.
Tim
Yeah, we can tell by her reaction to Kashi that she is not prepared. Yeah.
Scott
I Feel like she write. Yeah.
Stuart
I feel like Luke maybe like got to skip over training of like oh you're a Jetta you're capable. Okay, well while we're out day hunting. Whatever oh you get the accelerated cost.
Tim
Oh dude, you blew up the death Star pass.
Scott
Right? Yeah, exactly right? you go you go you? Oh just you're going to the gate program. You're you're ah you know oh wait Fuzzy Lizards oh crap. Okay well I guess we didn't see that one coming.
Tim
Ah, yeah.
Kyle
Um.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
Um, you know that I feel like that is what we're we are heading towards a path of um, they both need to learn from each other MarJ and and need to learn.
Scott
Um.
Kyle
The deeper ways of the force only need to learn what it's like to get on without the force.
Tim
How to exist.
Stuart
Do you think it's going to be a yeah Oh no, you got your peanut butter in my chocolate. Oh no, your chocolates in my beanut butter kind of situation.
Kyle
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Scott
And so.
Tim
Ah, yeah.
Tim
Though she is impressed with him on a few different occasions with his practical skills like his observational skills which is surprising because we haven't seen him be very observant before.
Stuart
A a.
Scott
It's well it's true. Yeah mean.
Stuart
Emotionally observant he has very high emotional intelligence. But yeah beyond that and so and.
Kyle
Um.
Tim
Yeah, aside from that 1 time you didn't notice the lizards in my room. Yeah.
Scott
Right.
Stuart
Yeah.
Tim
Yeah, but I mean hey he did pick up on um ah cards born skirts not having tails so props to him for that.
Stuart
Oh yeah, that oh.
Scott
Um, yeah, because he noticed the tail you know in the their fight or flight situation where it like whipped him across a fit. Well yeah, he would have noticed that obviously when it whipped him across the face with the tail. But um.
Tim
Um, yeah.
Tim
Um, okay.
Scott
Like oh that one had a tail but oh cards didn't That's that's it Yeah right? right? with the giant tree in the middle room. Yeah.
Tim
Yeah, well I mean the fact that he recalled it especially in a room where he's taking in a lot of information like that. Incredibly beautiful decor.
Stuart
Um, yeah.
Kyle
Yeah.
Scott
His AdHD brains just like oh shiny objects everywhere. Just.
Tim
I know right? but I mean that is an 80 h d thing to just like randomly remember the most unexpected thing with extreme clarity. Yeah yeah, Luke.
Scott
Um, know right? Ah, he didn't notice anything else except for the factor didn't have tails.
Stuart
A.
Stuart
So there I was fighting for my life when I suddenly noticed they have dock tails I Knew this important would be. There's a bit of information would be important later on so I stored that the back of my mind.
Tim
Yeah.
Tim
Are.
Scott
When the tail that should have been there whipped me across the face.
Kyle
Forget.
Tim
Yeah, and I mean his sending the message to the X wing like was a good idea as well. So she's she's impressed with that.
Stuart
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Scott
But at the same time She's annoyed because she knows he's He's stalling for him for his and R two's sake but he's also right.
Stuart
Now I mean you needs to say it's just so happening now.
Tim
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Scott
Well yeah, he's got the self-preservation in mind.
Kyle
I do like how Luke was like our 2 wo's on a snitch or do you have him out.
Scott
Um, yeah, exactly he's cool. He's been cool this whole time.
Tim
Ah.
Stuart
I Wonder if it's less that R two doesn't talk but nobody understands binary Well enough to know that R two is a snitch.
Scott
Um, right maybe is maybe he's trying to tell everybody but nobody understands. So.
Tim
Ah, maybe R two has a really weird binary dialect from not having his memory wiped.
Scott
Yeah, y'all still she's.
Stuart
Ah.
Kyle
Are 2 likes to say y'all not.
Tim
Yeah, ah.
Kyle
That is make me wonder I mean for the sake of his human companions as ah and like with art you being on longer nouger. Can he start to think faster than them and he has to slow his speeds down.
Scott
Um.
Scott
I don't know with him constantly being on like hasn't been rebooted in like ten or fifteen years or whatever I would I would imagine him like starting to go insane.
Stuart
Yeah, is.
Tim
Are.
Scott
Um, yeah, exactly exactly right.
Kyle
He's like a Mr me seeks who's been alive for too long.
Stuart
There off.
Kyle
I kind of picture like I don't know if you there's like a Justleek cartoon where ah, the flash and one of the other flashes they're talking to each other and as they're talking to each other. They both start to speed up more and more until they're just going boo.
Scott
Um.
Kyle
At each other and one of the other people have to go hey who began the understand what the [blaster] is saying.
Tim
Um, yeah, that's great.
Scott
Um, but ah to the flash. It's like oh.
Stuart
Is this is is.
Tim
Um, yeah, ah yeah I remember there was like a a moment and um some Marvel comics where quicksiler was like talking basically saying the reason he's such an asshole is because everything is so slow for him and it.
Kyle
Um, but why? yeah.
Stuart
And this.
Tim
Dealing with other people. Tim feels like standing in a line forever. Yeah me too. Yeah.
Kyle
Ah, slow and but.
Stuart
A.
Scott
Ah, oh yeah.
Kyle
You know what as someone with a D I get it I [blaster] get it Sometimes I'm just like you have been talking for probably a minute but it feels like aons.
Scott
Yeah, so.
Tim
Um, yeah, yeah, it makes it worse with yeah for me, it makes it worse being a video editor because my job is to cut things down to like the necessary information.
Scott
Ah God I know I get like visibly it irritated. Yeah.
Scott
Um, one is.
Stuart
Is here here.
Tim
And so sometimes I find myself like unconsciously involuntarily doing it while I'm listening to people I'm like oh didn't need that phrase all right? Oh here's the real point here. It's not good.
Scott
Um, yeah.
Scott
Yeah, at least at least 5 times in the conversation when somebody's talking to me I go back to the scene in ah Monty Python in the holy grail where all the like all the soldiers are online get on with it.
Tim
Um, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
Man Honestly, just being we were here I know and I'm sure any fans listening can tell I talk way too fast and it's because I get really excited when I have an opportunity to Speak. And I start to speak too fast and I try to slow it down because I know I will speak at an inintelligible rate if I do not control myself.
Scott
Um, okay.
Stuart
Ah.
Tim
Ah I do the same thing sometimes.
Tim
Okay I did not notice at all slowly speed it up. She's talking.
Scott
Um, okay, whoever edit it's that part has to speed it up for kind of for.
Stuart
Is this is is.
Kyle
Um, out that I I look yeah.
Kyle
It.
Tim
Um, speaking of speeding up I like the stem pills a lot and I like how she's like to like and just a few of these in quick succession would like kill you.
Stuart
Um, oh yeah.
Scott
She just help often right.
Kyle
Men They love me and things that just take years off your life in Star wars.
Tim
Um, yeah.
Scott
Ah.
Stuart
She does make a very good point though that if she yeah just it. She's trading years at the end of her life for the rest of her life because she could be killed immediately.
Tim
Um, yeah, yeah I Also just love how she like is totally planning just stay up for three days now.
Scott
Um, right? ah.
Stuart
Oh yeah.
Scott
Oh yeah, well maybe that's part of the pills too. Maybe the pills are helping her with that.
Kyle
I I I I don't get it. She thinks she thinks that Luke is gonna come like come attack her when he sees asleep or something but also was like.
Tim
Ah, exactly? Yeah yeah.
Scott
As if she's not going to do that to him as if she's not going to do that to him.
Stuart
It's on viking? yeah.
Kyle
Ah, well no, the the thing is is when she crashed she waited with her gun out because he's like that Trump's going to come check on me to make sure I'm okay.
Scott
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right? right.
Tim
Now.
Stuart
Ah.
Tim
Yeah, killing her with kindness.
Scott
Um, apparently.
Scott
This boy scoutness.
Tim
Okay.
Scott
Even though we can't survive in the forest.
Kyle
And then card ah Mando and Hahn have a brief argument inside the storage. She everyone's pointing guns at each other lot of accusations being thrown around.
Scott
No.
Tim
Yeah, speaking of which like um so they find the little ah bit the like power supply piece for Luke's hand is Luke's hand functioning right now.
Stuart
I did.
Scott
Um, yeah, right I got the impression. It was only like yeah I got the impression. The dual supply was like a backup because I thought they mentioned something in.
Stuart
Um, yeah, because it's dual supply.
Kyle
Is it the half capacity.
Tim
Dual supply but does it need both or is it just a backup source. Okay.
Scott
It may have been the next chapter I don't know but his hand seemed like his his hands seemed like it was okay.
Tim
Okay, okay.
Stuart
Yeah.
Kyle
Now his hand can only do a flip off and it'll shoot emotion.
Scott
Um, believe flip the bird and then like the trigger finger. Yeah yeah, or just finger guns. But.
Tim
Um, and you can't control when it happens. Ah.
Stuart
His hand suddenly gets hand tourette's.
Kyle
Hey.
Scott
It's like sign laguaging like like you know [blaster] [blaster] [blaster].
Stuart
Get me over this guy give me off.
Kyle
Ah.
Tim
Um, yeah, he flips off Mara and she's like finally he's speaking my language.
Kyle
Um I know hands but in the Sowars universe. Ah.
Scott
Um, right.
Stuart
It's the 1 thing that humanizes out of him.
Tim
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
Find me some emotion.
Stuart
But yeah I'm guessing like it's a dual power supply to provide like a steady because it said that it was some like slow drip type power so in order to keep that power constant that it's got the 2 supplies there. So I'm guessing that like it's just not going to be as responsive or.
Scott
Are.
Stuart
A little yeah a little bit lacky. Maybe.
Scott
Um, maybe like waggy or something.
Scott
Like he tries to grab something and it takes like 3 seconds
Stuart
And you can move his whole arm. But then his fist doesn't uncurl in time to to wrap around the object.
Scott
Me right? He tries to punch something and his fingers are still open is like.
Tim
Um, he like knocks it over.
Stuart
Um, oops.
Tim
Ah.
Tim
Yeah, no, yeah, they like they they dug into card and I've really enjoyed seeing card on the defensive for like the past several chapters like hit. Yeah wait.
Stuart
A.
Scott
Um, oh yeah, he yeah else.
Kyle
In fact.
Stuart
Yeah, and he just reached a broken point this time which before.
Scott
Um, yeah I kind of liked how he was.
Kyle
It's excuse he he's trying to do his best Ah he he clearly is just not taking any sides and it's finally catching up with them and now he's just like there's a little [blaster].
Scott
Yeah, well, he's trying to cover his ass on 3 different fronts here. You know it's like with you know Loo and Lando and Han and thrn and and skywalker and maraj. You know it's like he's like 3 different things. He's worried about.
Tim
Ah, yeah.
Stuart
New. Yeah.
Tim
Plus whatever other business dealings. He's has.
Scott
Right? right? and another [blaster] that he knows on a normal basis that we don't know about yeah.
Tim
Capitalist minaxer. Yeah.
Stuart
I mean before we we said on the scale of Lando to Han where does he lie and we we were putting him pretty high on the lando scale. But now I'm thinking like it's he he is more practical than than han.
Scott
6
Stuart
I mean not more practical than Lando so I think he's not quite a setup point but maybe 2 thirds Lando to Han rather than like more towards the Lando scale.
Scott
Um.
Scott
Yeah I can see that well.
Tim
Maybe this is a 3 axis scale set up to and car is his own access. Yeah.
Stuart
Is this no Axis fail.
Scott
Um.
Kyle
And he would lead This was like oh that's a poem for future me and future mes here.
Scott
Um, me.
Stuart
Can you guys hear the rain. Okay, cool.
Scott
Um, no.
Tim
Nope.
Kyle
Um, no I hear my rain.
Scott
Yeah, it was pouring rain here last couple days but not anymore. So I can't hear it anymore.
Tim
You know I Really like the moment at the end of the chapter where um, it feels like um so like we've gotten this impression of him as someone who has like everything. And control and then that moment where mentions he feels a shiver of Melancholy and something that felt disturbingly like fear running through him and then um, he says that he knew his life here was at an ant. So like just that realization that like he's reached that point.
Scott
Um E Yeah yeah, and.
Tim
And he can't keep it up anymore. That was a very humanizing moment.
Kyle
Do you do you think he's worried that he's going to die altogether or just the current knife that he is accustomed to is gone.
Tim
Just the current life. Yeah yeah.
Scott
I Think it's just the current life. He's used to yeah can see seen that basically be on the run now. Yeah.
Stuart
Um I got real drift of feels from him in that that section.
Tim
Oh right? yeah.
Scott
Yep, name on the run.
Stuart
Um, but.
Tim
Seems like he got pretty comfortable on this spot though. Yeah.
Scott
If you did I'm sure. Yeah, he even says the throne's like oh we're not used to hosting such elite visitors on our private home world or whatever. However, he calls it. But yeah.
Stuart
Yeah, yeah, it does.
Tim
Um, yeah I mean literally literally was a home for him. Yeah.
Stuart
Um, you know, although it sounds like he's been here for a very long time because in previous chapters as I said they've said oh people come and go but this has always been a smuggler's world and when the.
Scott
Right.
Scott
Does.
Tim
This.
Stuart
the the republic would leave it alone because because of the the Jedi couldn't touch the world and so it was kind of just ignored and so that's where the smuggles would go to but then when the republic fell and there were no more jedi that smugglers went elsewhere because they didn't need the protection of the issolamari.
Scott
Are.
Stuart
And so it does seem like he's been here for a while.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Scott
Yeah.
Tim
Man Pork card at the same time though showed no one who was messing with yeah.
Scott
Are.
Stuart
I Feel like.
Kyle
I mean he um he put himself into this.
Stuart
Yeah I feel like as well. He's a little bit of like a victim to his own code as well because he's like the host's code I've got to I've got to be hostly towards everybody who comes and they're under my protection and and um.
Tim
A.
Scott
Um.
Stuart
You know Mara just wanted to send him away and oh well, if I'd done that then I wouldn't have to deal with all these things and so like he feels feels like a little bit of a slave to his ideology but at some point and I'm wondering if he's like okay no I know you need to reassess the um like foundations that he's setting his eye deology up.
Scott
Um, so do you think at this point maybe he's regretting um, allying himself with Mara because she brought skywalker into all this.
Tim
M.
Stuart
No I No I feel like he's um, regretting his minm max or ideology of well I've got to maximize every opportunity and say don't say no to anything that he said yes to.
Scott
Um, and.
Kyle
[blaster].
Stuart
Ah, few too many opportunities and now as Tim likes to put it. They're spinning plates. He's got too many plates and realizes that he's only got 2 hands and um, yeah, it's just not not working out for him that he's overreached or or something.
Scott
Are you.
Stuart
Trying to minmax his capitalist lifestyle his business dealings.
Tim
His business dealings. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Scott
Um, yeah, oh.
Kyle
Um, it's sometimes it's empty in the spin one more way.
Stuart
Yeah, but yeah, speaking of that like him him trying to push his hostily hosting duties on hanh and Lando reminded me of this movie called speak no evil um, where.
Scott
Are he.
Stuart
It's a horror movie where a family gets invited by another family into to their home that they met on vacation and so the family has a little daughter and they've got a little son so they they think oh it's it's it's good. They can play together and the ah the parents get along so but like. As the story goes goes on like it's not as a functional family as you might think or want and so that's where the horror aspect starts creeping in and um I don't know if you haven't seen the movie. Ah, it's very uncomfortable but it's also very good.
Scott
Are.
Scott
You.
Stuart
Very good movie because like this kind of hosting duties is kind of forced like oh well are we not good enough for you to stay you know? Well we're going to make you lunch we? Well we planned all this stuff for you. You know why don't you stay and and like the family knows that they're uncomfortable but they want leave because these people are trying to.
Tim
So.
Scott
Um, who.
Stuart
Push their hospitality on them and well you know, go watch the movie if you're old enough to see that kind of stuff.
Scott
That makes me think of the ah that just that just made me think of the the episode of family guy where they go to the family's house and they're all nudists.
Tim
Yeah, but that's a good pitch.
Tim
I would see that one. Yeah I have watch family dying a long time actually.
Scott
Um, it's kind of an older one actually.
Stuart
Um, not mean either has some staying power in your memory though like the simpsons.
Scott
This is back This is back when it was worth watching. Yeah.
Tim
Um, yeah.
Tim
Yeah I mean he didn't even like try to deny he had Luke when they pressed him on it. He was just done. Yeah.
Stuart
No no.
Scott
Um, right right? He's like fine. Whatever yeah blue.
Stuart
You want me to admit it fine. It's admitted I'm a phony a big fat phony.
Scott
A big fat phony. You're a phoney.
Tim
Yeah, my life is a lie and.
Stuart
Ah, and then it just makes me appreciate the end of the chapter more worries just he seems like the guy sitting on his rocking chair looking out into the forest and you can hear the chittering and the cackling of the the vaanskas and like where is my life coming to.
Scott
Another kind another family guy reference.
Tim
A real dark night of the soul there. Yeah.
Scott
Um.
Stuart
Yeah, yeah.
Tim
And.
Stuart
Ah, yeah.
Tim
And yeah, the really really enjoyed this chapter for card a lot.
Stuart
yeah yeah yeah I did like Han Han and Leo and lado playing detective as well and then having them all all sit there and then like I mentioned in the last last chapter that han's idiosyncrasies are really coming through in this book and him going.
Scott
Um, yeah, yeah.
Tim
Yeah.
Stuart
Jump in anytime you want you want to fill in the blanks here that was really good.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Scott
Yeah, yeah, Oh yeah, I like said cards really on the defensive and especially when they accused him of being like ah a kidnapper or human trafficker or whatever and you know. That was kind of Cool. He's like he's like he's like we don't do that? Yeah, he he took offense to that.
Stuart
Yeah, that really seemed to throw him off kilter.
Kyle
So considering this is the trilogy. Do you? You think card is gonna make it through this strategyy because I of all the characters here.
Stuart
A.
Scott
Um, I was thinking that.
Stuart
Um, oh.
Scott
Right? and I was thinking about that too. Actually after reading this chapter I was like is he going to survive this trilogy I Honestly don't know.
Kyle
Not a lot of expendable ones.
Stuart
Ah.
Kyle
Like I I be like peon for the under might make it a book too.
Scott
Um I see I don't know I think well yeah I don't know I feel like Peleon is kind of like under the protection of thral though you know like plotwise. But.
Stuart
You know I think as the point of view character Peleon is quite um, yeah more important. Yeah, ah that.
Scott
Oh that's true. Yeah I hate these the point of view character. And yeah.
Tim
That's a meta textual reading? yeah.
Stuart
As the point of view character pellon really feels like the the inheritor of Thrn's knowledge and I feel like that sets him up for survival that he is going to receive all the fruits of. Thron's bounty thron is putting laying out the seeds and he's going to reap what Thron saw and that.
Tim
Or they're gonna get pellyon and that'll make theron crack because now he's investing in a relationship. It's like no my protege.
Scott
Um e.
Kyle
Oh I think the exact opposite I think I think th keeps fully on Coast so he can trip him when he needs to get to make a quick escape right? Yeah I think I think.
Scott
Chew them in the leg when they have to start running. Thank you.
Stuart
Um, ah ah.
Tim
Ah, all right? So that's how Peleon will go out. Yeah.
Tim
Are.
Kyle
Throne will have no problem sacrificing early on if it's gonna give him even like a half a second more of a head start I think that's for anyone I don't think there's anyone that as of right now I don't think there's anyone that thorn cares about.
Stuart
Yeah, yeah.
Stuart
No no I feel like everybody is expendable to throw on.
Scott
Um, yeah, everyone is equally expendable. Yeah, right, Pretty much.
Kyle
He is surrounded by resources. Not people. But yeah I know I was just thinking I I don't know I don't know the rating of this book I don't know if characters are gonna die. But I feel like if characters can die in these books then cards in a.
Scott
Um, um.
Stuart
Yeah, it feels like his little bit of like redemption arc the the redemption arc that leads in death that leads into death that. Yeah I don't know maybe.
Tim
Um, yeah.
Kyle
Tights right? right now.
Scott
Um I don't know I still feel like.
Scott
Oh.
Tim
Do you guys think there are parallels between Thron and card.
Scott
Um I don't see anything yet but doesn't mean what we want. Yeah and they always seem to have an answer for everything.
Tim
And both are strategizers.
Stuart
And.
Tim
Yeah, and they cover their bases.
Stuart
Yeah, although Card seems more fallible is fake until you make it and he hasn't made it yet.
Scott
Yeah.
Scott
Right? e.
Tim
Um, yeah, well I mean has Thron made it. Oh he has yeah.
Stuart
Yeah, now he's definitely made it.
Scott
Yeah.
Kyle
He made it but like not currently, he made it at 1 point he's on a down slope and he's trying to get back up.
Scott
Oh.
Stuart
And.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
You know again, he going back to earlier chapters where he talked about how the people on the ship were no, he didn't talk about it. But I think put on was talking about how the people on the ship while wearing the uniforms are sloppy like doing their best. They're not like.
Scott
Are.
Kyle
They don't have the presites that there were former generations in they're just like yeah it's not as good as it was and I'm sure I'm sure he's just I'm sure Thor wants to get back to a position of power I don't know if he truly cares about the.
Stuart
Ah, no, um.
Scott
Are.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
Empire except for in the regards that it made him powerful.
Scott
More who.
Stuart
He's just looking for a project and this is the this is the biggest project. You can find.
Kyle
Right? because I mean what I I keep coming back to I don't know what he's doing here I like he I don't think he cares about the empire he could just go back to his home world I assume.
Scott
Are.
Kyle
Maybe if it's there still but like I mean he's only here because the palpatine really liked him or something like that because but in in general, the empire does not have non-human species in high regards.
Scott
Um.
Stuart
You know I mean given that this is his first introduction and we are not relying on anything besides a kind of the movies and a general knowledge of.
Tim
Yeah.
Scott
True.
Kyle
Period. So Adam.
Stuart
Star was outside of that that like general inferences about the universe that he is a mysterious commander probably do motivated by Prestige and.
Scott
Um.
Stuart
You know, just like Dr Strange probably has a huge ego about proving that he has the you know the the best execution of strategy or.
Tim
Um.
Tim
He has been open to suggestions though provide they're good. Yeah.
Stuart
No, but I guess that's that's all part of it though. He wants to and you know as as kreyer said, if you believe in an ideal you must be willing to betray it.
Scott
Um.
Scott
Are.
Stuart
And he is willing to sacrifice even his own ideas on the way to becoming the best strategist he can be.
Tim
I Think that's where it's interesting to compare him to card because Card has ideals that he want sacrifice like um, his own code that we mentioned was is undoing. So I feel like you can learn more about both characters by placing their traits side by side to each other.
Scott
Um, ah.
Stuart
Ah, now.
Stuart
Do.
Kyle
I feel like Thron is definitely trying to achieve a peak way higher than card is though because they mentioned um you know is card card's not doing everything possible and like taking huge risk.
Stuart
A.
Kyle
I mean ah they they they mentioned how he at 1 point was considering selling boy turn just as like a defensive lane and then they're like oh he just he never got around to it. Yeah, you know he he clearly has a like for the finer things. Um.
Scott
Low. Yeah.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Stuart
Now we can.
Kyle
You know he he likes his decorations. He clearly is sophisticated to a degree. Um and throne also enjoys looking at art but for much different reason.
Scott
O.
Stuart
Now I mean in the very beginning of the book. They did try to characterize set up the expectation that smugglers are conservative business people and I feel like he's lived up to that He as. You know I've put in the summaries in previous chapters that he values Independence among above everything else and despite that he is also not.
Scott
Um, yeah.
Stuart
Or despite that being his overall goal. He also is concerned with other things that I think are what are they Called. It's not a terminal goal. It's a.
Tim
Ultimate goal.
Stuart
Ah, no, no, no so there's 2 types of goals. There's a terminal goal and and instrumental goals instrumental goals. Get you towards something else, but terminal goals are.
Scott
Are.
Tim
In.
Scott
Are.
Stuart
You know the very end. So um, you know the instrumental goals that he has set are these things that are keeping him back from achieving that terminal goal of just a state of Independence because he wants to be a husband now. He's enslaved to these ideals and so he is not achieving his.
Stuart
Terminal goal of ah of of Independence because he's not independent from these other ideals that he's set up for himself.
Tim
Right? yeah.
Tim
Honestly, like what a fascinating character like the more we've seen of him the more I've liked him so big props at timoys on for card. Yeah.
Scott
Are.
Stuart
Um, now yeah.
Kyle
Um, yeah I I do enjoy you.
Scott
He.
Kyle
I Really do enjoy throne I am it is a little tiring when he does just seem to know everything like like he he does know exactly where the nearest city is from where he is on this planet.
Tim
Yeah.
Stuart
Yeah.
Tim
Um, yeah, but another detail I liked in that scene. Um with with Ron discussing his plans is that he was like all right I can we can stay here for this long. But.
Kyle
Because he's like oh that's where they're gonna come out. We'll wait for them.
Stuart
O.
Tim
Louis Van is going to call us eventually and we can't compromise that.
Scott
Um, in.
Stuart
New oh that's right, he had the the vgant gallery ah and saying that there. Yeah a bi annualual or a 2 year dip in um, that is this there are their slow point or they're I'm a back foot at at this point that he's.
Tim
Yeah, this Luisi art.
Stuart
Recognizing from some sort of 2 wo-year cycle and it mentioned that these are also sculptures but they're sculptures that are moving and it very specifically said that there were changing form in some way and that makes me feel like there was ah a sculpture a few chapters back that.
Tim
Um, yeah.
Tim
Um, didn't oh oh.
Stuart
We said was move gave the impression of movement and we thought like oh is this some kind of optical illusion or something but now I'm thinking like what if they're made of like nanodoids or these are living sculptures in some way that they are programmed to to move like this in the same way that you might consider like.
Scott
Are on.
Scott
Um, more.
Tim
Oh neat.
Stuart
Ah, fire is a sculpture.
Scott
Or a waterfall. So.
Tim
Right? Yeah, yeah, that's a good example.
Stuart
A.
Tim
Yeah, that's cool.
Scott
Um, that is pretty cool.
Tim
What's so funny Kyle what you chuckling about.
Kyle
I was thinking about I was thinking about Stewart talking about types of goals and it made me think of that scene from Malcolm in the middle where he tries to like change a light bulb or something like that and then but like.
Stuart
Gonna have to clue me hands Tim already knows what's going on.
Kyle
There's a so there's a scene in the Malcolm in the middle where the father tries to change a light bulb but when he goes to get the light bulb he um he notices the shelf that the light bulbs on is broken and so he goes to get a scoo driver from a drawer.
Stuart
E.
Scott
Um, yeah, and like the the yours. Yeah yeah.
Stuart
Ah.
Kyle
To fix the thing but then it like then but then he noticed the hinge on the jaw is not working and so he goes they get in his car and then when he starts the car. It makes like a weird noise and like.
Tim
I.
Stuart
Um, ah.
Scott
Um, yeah.
Kyle
Ah, and like it. So it cuts to him like under like he has the engine out of the car and he's underneath it trying to work on it and and his wife is like hey can you try to can you change the light bulb in the dining room. It's out and he's like what does it look like I'm doing.
Scott
Um, yeah, lifting out of the.
Stuart
Ah, oh wow.
Tim
Good.
Stuart
Wait. What did what did I Do that remind you of that.
Scott
Um, that is the definition of Adhd.
Tim
Ah.
Kyle
Well because you were talking about types of goals and so the like the the terminal goal was to change the light bulb.
Stuart
Um, right? Ah, ah okay.
Scott
The the instrumental goal I guess.
Tim
Ah, that is a classic scene.
Scott
Yeah.
Stuart
Ah.
Tim
Um.
Stuart
Does anybody have any instrumental discussions before our terminus.
Scott
Ah, um.
Kyle
I I like this chapter I am I am ready for marra and Duke's first ah date through the woods.
Tim
Um, their first first date.
Scott
First kiss I liked ah seeing law Lando and Han and trying to say Lando and ha the same time Lando and Hahn ah playing detective I thought that was kind of cool Lando was like oh they shot they shot twice you know like.
Stuart
Ah.
Stuart
Oh yeah, yeah.
Tim
Yeah, it was fun. That was a really fun part. Yeah.
Scott
He's playing Csi which I thought was kind of cool and then yeah and then han has this blaster on card and then card startt talking. He lowers a blaster and the card keeps talking it raises blasters and it's like.
Stuart
Yeah, that was that was a really good interaction I I'd like that I did feel like those 2 characters as well have like oh we're gonna be over here and they don't do that just walk off.
Tim
Yeah, and.
Scott
Yeah. Um I like yeah well I like how I like how card came up on on Han he's like oh it looks like you lost Lando and then Lando like has a blaster on his back and he's like oh well luckily we don't stay lost very long I like that.
Tim
Yeah, yeah.
Stuart
Yeah, that's what I want more more adventures like that Han and Lando the detective crew know and particularly the settlement when when Luke was ah.
Tim
Um, yeah.
Tim
Yeah, they're a good pair.
Scott
Um, yeah, yeah, they are.
Kyle
Ah.
Stuart
Captured there. He mentioned that Lando had taught him how to do that thing and so it was interesting that Lando was the one to also pick it up and I thought there was going to be a little moment of like oh this looks familiar. But then I guess like if he's at probably systematized in this kind of way. Oh this person knows what they're doing or or something like that.
Scott
Um, is are.
Stuart
But yeah, walk in later and there's that little little battery.
Tim
The.
Scott
Um, like how they're like slowly piecing everything together and you know like they they say it without saying it. Basically it's like oh it's Luke's yeah the droidid Jasons join yep.
Stuart
Um, the scuff marks on the floor. Yeah.
Tim
Dried restraining collar for an astromac.
Kyle
That.
Scott
He's like have your it's like I thought your people would clean their [blaster] up or whatever you know, tell him to pick up their toys or whatever he says.
Tim
Yeah.
Stuart
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Scott
I Like seeing I like to see hahn as like the adult in the room.
Stuart
Yeah, yeah I am.
Tim
It is nice. Yeah.
Scott
Because he can actually kind of be like a ah tough guy at times when he needs to be like and I like that.
Stuart
Now I want a little bit more from from landor just that Lando charm. But so far I've been very very satisfied with their interactions. But and when the wait when Hans got the the presentation and he's clicking through his slides.
Tim
Absolutely yeah, me too. Yeah.
Scott
Um, mom.
Kyle
No, and.
Scott
Yeah, the.
Stuart
And then they turned to Lando like and so are you here as like a hooker or wing man or what's going on here is that no I'm just here along for the ride I'm just here watch.
Tim
Um, yeah.
Kyle
I.
Stuart
Just a casual observer.
Scott
Um.
Tim
Oh um, one ah bit of detail that I liked is that um card mentions that like a lot of his people would know Luke because of like taking down java so I like the idea that Luke is also kind of like a smuggler hero for that.
Kyle
Tara's just watching that scene.
Stuart
Oh yeah.
Tim
Even though layout technically took down Java.
Scott
Um, a is yeah.
Kyle
Where do you think Laya likes that people think lu killed or more than because it gives your lower profile.
Tim
Um, that probably helps her politically. Yeah.
Scott
Yeah, right.
Stuart
Now.
Kyle
I and I don't think she wants to know people know that she's a [blaster]ing killer.
Tim
Um, yeah I was that was a savage kill too.
Scott
She murdered. Yeah, she murdered the biggest crime boss in the old freaking galaxy at the time and it's a freaking chain chokke. The bitch.
Tim
Yeah.
Stuart
Yeah, yeah, um.
Kyle
That's the other thing it puts it puts it puts pressure on her in generalal if everyone's like oh yeah, Luke killed all these people then you know Lu can defend himself more.
Tim
Right.
Tim
Um, right currently yeah soon that will change because we all know that lay is gonna end up more competent than Luke. Yeah.
Scott
This is oh.
Stuart
Them.
Kyle
Currently.
Scott
A.
Stuart
This.
Tim
I mean I'm just extrapolating based on what we know.
Kyle
Ah know I didn't read it in the chapters ahead.
Scott
This is it.
Scott
Ah.
Kyle
Thank you to ever put the link to the Youtube in here.
Tim
Got you.
Stuart
Yeah, fast. Do we do this easy smoother goes through.
Scott
Um, will be.
Stuart
I guess I did want to say something more on um on how Luke is a smuggling here but I guess I don't actually have anything to say about apart from like I like that it was an interesting detail that oh you know nobody's going to want to do this job and say well.
Scott
Are.
Tim
Um, yeah.
Stuart
It's a his skin or us and yeah.
Tim
Um, yeah, it makes the universe just a little bit richer. Yeah.
Scott
Um, yeah.
Stuart
Anything else.
Tim
I Feel like we're approaching me on game. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Stuart
All right, very nice looking forward to it all right?