Coin Concede - Episode 237 "Sometruis the Outcast"
Hat * Botticus * Appa* Guest*
Intro (~10 min)
Welcome to Episode 237 of Coin Concede, a Hearthstone podcast dedicated to making the competitive side of the game more accessible to you.
It is Thursday 04/23 in the evening
Joining us from Gadgetzan, New York, it’s RidiculousHat!
Also joining us - from Karazhan, California it’s Botticus!
Joining you all from the Maelstrom, Louisiana, it’s Appa!
And special guest from x, Norway, it's Asmodai!!!
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Asmodai Interview - (~30 min)
- It’s been a long time since we’ve had you on the show! How have things been going for you?
- It feels like you have been getting more recognition from blizzard getting preview cards and invited to the 2020 summit. Is this something you worked towards specifically or just a good benefit from all of the hard work you put into streaming Hearthstone?
- Are you as hyped for the next year of Hearthstone like everyone else who attended the summit? "Is the new game mode gonna be sick?" -From Chat
- You hit rank 1 again fairly recently. How did you get there and how was it different than previous rank 1 climbs?
- How was this last set release for you and what do you think of people’s reactions?
- What is your opinion on quicker and more frequent nerfs and experimentation with buffs?
- How do you think the meta currently stands? Are you happy with where it’s at after the second round of nerfs?
- If we have time - How has battlegrounds been for you since its release? Do you find yourself playing it much, either as a break from ladder or as a dedicated game mode?
- I’ve noticed that exercise and healthy eating has become a big part of your social media. Have you always worked out this much and if not how has it impacted your streaming and hearthstone play?
- Why did you decide to finally remove the green hat? How long did it take you to get used to not wearing it during streams?
- Do we still shanaynay?
- What are your top 3 songs to listen to right now?
- 25 or 6 to 4 - chicago/
- Shots - Imagine Dragons (Broiler remix)
- Rush - YYZ
- The world right now seems like it's in a good place for people to start streaming and build an audience. What advice would you have for people starting out? Chat
- Do you have anyone you want to shoutout? Please tell everyone where they can find you. Sponsors/Social media/etc.
- Close out with shout to asmo fans in chat - calycakes lordnelsonpt heliamus agenttryhard hallsyoverwatch gcollision joggernauttier mustachiogreen hadestructive rebelrider davideav xBDDx visualmind2 MrBenx420 Coreupted Keakea
How's life and ladder? -
Hat - Personal learnings
Appa -
Botticus - Being back at work has decreased my play time by quite a bit
Edelweiss -
News Highlights - (~30 min)
- We talked about the cards but not the actual nerfs.
- Battlefiend -> ½
- Altruis -> 4 mana 4/2
- Glaivebound Adept -> 6 attack
- Kaelthas -> 7 mana
- BLA -> 4 mana
- Felwing -> 2 health
- Sac pact-> Friendly demon
- Open the waygate -> 8 ticks for the quest
- Bloodbloom -> 4 mana
- Impact so far?
- Millhouse nerf also in 17.0.2 - Taverns cost 1 more
- 17.0.3 micro-adjustment for Arena (Reddit)
- "These changes update the appearance rate of cards to ensure class balance remains close to the ideal 50% win-rate. Specifically, the win-rates of Demon Hunter and Priest should now decrease and the win-rates of the rest of the classes should now increase."
- 10 of each Dragon set, and 15 combined dragon packs
- Qualifiers are increasing in size to 1024 (Twitter)
- With a growing number of players hoping to earn an invite to Masters Tour Online: Asia-Pacific through one of the Masters Qualifiers, we are doubling the number of open seats per Qualifier from 512 to 1024. Thank you for your continued support and passion for Hearthstone Masters!
- Qualifier numbers decreased by design (Twitter)
- Masters Tours have ~80% of the 350 invited players compete and prizing is structured around that average. With the next Masters Tours being online the number of competing players will jump to nearly 100%, so we reduced potential invites for MTO: Asia-Pacific to compensate.
Tournament Results -
Outland Inn-vitational!
- Streamer battle here! Twitch drops were enabled btw
- Each player represented a single class out of the 10 - and then in round two and four, one of the two teams played only DH, alternating between the two.
- Feisty Fiends took it over the Salty Satyrs. Rosters:
- Feisty Fiends had Kripp (Warlock), Trump (Priest), Slysssa (Paladin), Purple (Mage), RDU (Demon Hunter), BoarControl (Hunter), DawN (Druid), Tom60229 (Warrior), Masaru (Shaman), and ShtanUdachi (Rogue).
- Salty Satyrs had Brian Kibler (Paladin), Firebat (Warlock), RegisKillbin (Priest), Thijs (Demon Hunter), dogdog (Hunter), Flurry (Druid), DDaHyoNi (Shaman), Nayara Sylvestre (Warrior), Solary (Rogue), and Sinedd92 (Mage).
Grandmasters!
- Pre-nerf week 1 results in the books - BoarControl > SilverName, Felkeine and Zhym top 4. Ryvius > Surrender, che0nsu and Posesi top 4. Empanizado > bloodyface, justsaiyan and Fr0zen top 4.
- The three winning lineups: Egg War+Low curve DH+Galakrond Warlock+Highlander Rogue, Galakrond Priest+Combo DH+Spell Druid+Control Warrior, Galakrond Rogue+Low Curve DH+Bomb Warrior+Spell Druid
- Every winning lineup had a Demon hunter - two low curve aggro, one combo. They all had a warrior but they were all different - one Egg enrage, one Control, and one Bomb. 2 Spell druids. 2 rogues, one highlander and one galakrond (no spells OR secrets). 1 Warlock, 1 Priest.
- Week 2 post-nerf lists: DH is being brought by 36 players (33 some kind of tempo, 3 combo) while 41 players are bringing Rogue - split evenly between Gala, Secret Gala, and Highlander Gala. 39 Warrior players split between enrage, Bomb, and Control. 20 priests (half and half Galakrond and Rez), 20 Mages (almost all highlander), 14 hunters (mostly Highlander), 13 druids (all spell), 9 Warlocks (split between Gala and Zoo), 1 lonely Murloc Paladin, and zero Shaman.
Qualifiers
- We have pre-nerf information here. Lineups are a lot more diverse than the first week - only 8 Demon Hunter players won (all with the aggro/tempo builds), while 10 different warriors took a trophy - mostly enrage aggro but a couple of bombs and one control. 7 Rogues split between HL and Galakrond, 7 priests split between Galakrond and Rez, a handful of spell druids and galakrond warlocks, and a few oddballs - a control shaman, an aggro shaman, and a zoo.
- DH, Spell Druid, Galakrond Warlock stayed the most popular - but it was not the best performer by a long shot. Warrior was a much better inclusion than Warlock this week, and there were great choices for a third deck between Galakrond Rogue, Rez Priest, and Spell Druid.
- The best deck was still Tempo Demon Hunter followed closely by flavors of Warrior. To the surprise of nobody, Rogue also did well - but to some surprise, Highlander Hunter was a good bring.
- Do not bring other hunters. Dragon Hunter was the worst deck we have data for this week and Face Hunter wasn't far behind it. We're talking 41% winrates.
The ladder
- Nerfs have hit!
- HSReplay meta snapshot at top 1k legend: Galakrond Secret Rogue > Highlander Hunter for tier 1, while tier 2 is wide.
- Tempo DH, Dragon Hunter, Non-secret Galakrond Rogue, Egg Warrior, Highlander Mage, Highlander Rogue, Zoo, Face Hunter, Highlander Priest, Totem Shaman, Galakrond Warlock, Galakrond Priest, Spell Druid, Control Warrior, Bomb Warrior are all above 50%.
- Rogue climbed immediately while hunter has apparently been performing very well - Rogue, Hunter, and DH are the only classes above 50%. Paladin is surprisingly close at 49.1% with Mage in 5th. Shaman is the worst at 46% and Priest is next to last.
Ongoing
- THL starts next week, Aspirant heading through
- House Rivalries starting back up
Coming Soon
Decksplanations - State of the new format
- What are the defining cards of this standard format?
- Early game snowballs - Blazing Battlemage, Stormhammer
- Midgame swing turns - Zeph, Altruis, Skull of Gul'Dan, Risky Skipper, and to a lesser extent 2 damage removal like Holy Nova and Breath of the Infinite (edwin?)
- Lategame sledgehammers - also Zeph, DQA, Rogue Galakrond, Kaelthas
- Zilliax. We notice it and we miss him badly. Lifegain in general is hard to come by.
- What are the defining characteristics of this format?
- Control is tough - even if you're trying to punish aggro, DH will probably draw faster than you can keep up with, they have a ton of damage that ignores taunts, and their early starts are explosive. Armor helps a lot, as does card draw - Battle Rage warrior hits all of these notes. However, Galakrond Rogue goes really long and has near-infinite value.
- Being aggressive can be rewarding - Demon Hunter has some decent anti-aggro tools, but they're few and far between if you can go wide enough. Altruis at 4 is more awkward and faster decks are doing okay at getting under DH. Going under Rogue is even more effective, especially without Zilliax in the format.
- The games are *very* grindy and small misplays will make a huge deal on your winrate. Tons of micro advantages, lots of randomly generated cards, and long games in many matchups. Plan for the future and meter your resources carefully.
- There's a lot of RNG right now. The effects are *generally* predictable - at some point your opponent will get a rush or damage lackey, DQA will make some big threats, Zeph will answer something that you weren't expecting - but sometimes DQA makes an Alex or evolve lackey gets an 8/8 and you get blown out. It's very swingy and requires some ironclad emotional control.
- Pick a lane and practice. Do you want to go under or go over the top? What is your tolerance for random effects? Don't switch decks much - learn, tweak, and grow.
- Learn matchups as best you can. There's a TON to be aware of. When do I use Altruis, what clears am I playing into, what are my opponent's waves of threats, etc. You won't be able to predict specific outcomes but you can expect general trends. http://discord.coinconcede.com
- Make peace with RNG. You and your opponent will both get random effects that are very powerful. You can gain advantages but sometimes there will be games where you lose 20+ minutes in to a specific effect that you could not have stopped. It WILL happen, moreso than many previous metas.
- Play less, probably, and don't focus on results. We talked about this on the bonus episode, but we can talk about it more now.
- ***Make peace with RNG!!!***
- Realize also that the state of the world outside is… difficult
- Two clear answers - DH and Rogue. Highlander hunter is also allegedly very good.
- What are the options for Rogue? Hat can take this one. What are the small edges available to us?
- What beats Rogue? Why? (Spell Druid, Face Hunter, Zoo, Bomb War)
- What are the options for Demon Hunter? Appa has this.
- What beats DH? Why? (Warrior decks, sometimes Face Hunter, sometimes Stealth Galakrond Rogue)
Outro (~5min)
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Coin Concedes (Shout Outs):
Asmo OBV, Chris Sierra OBV
Hat - ForrestBates, Bequiet, Born to be Wild
Botticus - DonnayBunny
Appa - burnt’s discord is dope - Taylor for showing me the truth of playing Animal Crossing & Hearthstone
Edelweiss -
Keep Calm and
And if you see us on ladder…
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