Dara M Wilson:

Hi, I'm Dara M Wilson.

Yasmine Khan:

And I'm Yasmine Khan.

Dara M Wilson:

And this is Money Ha Ha.

Yasmine Khan:

Money, money, money ha ha.

Dara M Wilson:

Throwback.

Yasmine Khan:

It's the podcast where smart, funny friends bring money talk out of the shame drawer and on to the table.

Dara M Wilson:

Each week we discuss one of those money topics that pretty much everyone struggles with, but nobody feels comfortable talking about. We got remixes all up and through this intro. And we also have a guest, he is a comedian, a writer, an actor from Los Angeles. As a stand-up comedian in San Francisco, he was named one of the 2016 best comedians in the Bay Area by SFS.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, years ago.

Dara M Wilson:

He has performed at the Bridgetown Comedy Festival in 2017. Sketchfest 2013, 2017, and the 10,000 Laughs Festival in Minneapolis.

Matt Lieb:

And a bunch of others, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh, so many others. Well we don't have the time to go through everything.

Matt Lieb:

We don't have the time to read my full bio.

Dara M Wilson:

It's Matt Lieb.

Matt Lieb:

Hi.

Dara M Wilson:

Hi!

Yasmine Khan:

Welcome.

Dara M Wilson:

How's it going?

Matt Lieb:

It's going good. Thanks so much for having me.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah, we're so excited to have you here.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, in this beautiful Los Angeles studio. You know, I've been on a lot of, I've been on a lot of podcasts and I've never been in a studio this nice.

Dara M Wilson:

Really?

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

We're going to ask you, there's a piano in here somewhere, we're going to ask you to get on the keys.

Matt Lieb:

I will absolutely play the piano. I will absolutely play.

Dara M Wilson:

And you know what? And I believe you.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can tell. I'm the type of guy who sees a piano, or a guitar and I'm like it's "Wonderwall" time.

Dara M Wilson:

Let me at it.

Matt Lieb:

Let me-

Yasmine Khan:

Let me spice up this party guys.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

Hey guess what?

Dara M Wilson:

What?

Yasmine Khan:

We have-

Dara M Wilson:

No.

Yasmine Khan:

No?

Dara M Wilson:

Tell me.

Yasmine Khan:

No.

Dara M Wilson:

I can't believe it.

Yasmine Khan:

You sing the song though.

Dara M Wilson:

What is it?

Yasmine Khan:

Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-mail bag. We're going to dig into the mail bag.

Dara M Wilson:

Mail bag.

Yasmine Khan:

This is a really cool one.

Dara M Wilson:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Yasmine Khan:

This one makes me really happy. We got an email titled "Hi, are you two going to save my marriage?" Yes. The answer is, you fucking are. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Me and my husband have not been on the same page about money for a while now. It's the cause of a lot of arguments, like the majority of married couples I know, and it's starting to feel like a great divide. The way you two talk about money and savings, but relating it to self-care and psychology... chef's kiss, mu ah.

Dara M Wilson:

Mu ah.

Yasmine Khan:

It's speaking to me. Thank you. You're so welcome. That is so why we do this.

Dara M Wilson:

That's so nice!

Yasmine Khan:

That makes me so happy.

Dara M Wilson:

How nice is it to try to do a thing, and then have somebody be like, hey you did a thing you were trying to do.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

That's so beautiful.

Yasmine Khan:

It is really beautiful. And I can understand this, cause, I mean, finances are the number one cause of divorce. There's all these, or yeah, I'm going to say that definitively it is. Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Okay.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, I wanted to check myself and then I was like nope. Everything is money, yeah it is, the thing.

Dara M Wilson:

So, thank you very much for that email. So lovely to hear. We love getting emails from you. If you want to email us, you can do so at hi@moneyhahapod.com. That is H-I-@moneyhahapod.com. Or hit us on any of the socials @moneyhahapod. Talk to us.

Yasmine Khan:

We want to hear it.

Dara M Wilson:

We're lonely. We want to hear from you.

Dara M Wilson:

So, how's everyone feeling? In your spirits? I don't know, is that too deep?

Matt Lieb:

Stressed.

Yasmine Khan:

Tell about that stress.

Matt Lieb:

My spirit is always filled with stress.

Dara M Wilson:

Is that just like its normal state, or is that a reaction to the world?

Matt Lieb:

It's kind of, it's, that's my baseline. Stress is my baseline.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

But it's also a reaction to the world, you know.

Dara M Wilson:

It doesn't help, certainly.

Matt Lieb:

No, certainly. The world does not help. The state of the world, obviously very stressful. I try to put it out of my mind and just do regular stress, but it's hard.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

What kind of regular stress do you indulge in?

Matt Lieb:

It's all work related stress, traffic related stress. It's all money related stress, life related stress, you know?

Dara M Wilson:

Okay, all those things.

Yasmine Khan:

It's the hum drum. The normal stuff.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, the hum drum.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

The just like, I got to go from this place to this place, and then I got to drive in traffic. And, you know, I got to cancel this, cause I need money for that. And, you know, the whole thing.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Life.

Yasmine Khan:

A little bit of this, little bit of that.

Matt Lieb:

A little bit of this and a little bit of that.

Dara M Wilson:

It just keeps happening.

Matt Lieb:

It does.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

All the time.

Matt Lieb:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dara M Wilson:

And there's no teleportation.

Matt Lieb:

Yep.

Dara M Wilson:

What a scam.

Matt Lieb:

Life keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping...

Dara M Wilson:

Oh my gosh.

Matt Lieb:

Slipping.

Yasmine Khan:

Into the future.

Matt Lieb:

Into the future.

Dara M Wilson:

Into the future.

Matt Lieb:

What a great song. Was that the Eagles?

Dara M Wilson:

I have no idea.

Yasmine Khan:

That's the...

Matt Lieb:

Is it?

Yasmine Khan:

No, Steve Miller Band.

Matt Lieb:

It's Steve Miller Band.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

It just, it's the fly like an eagle.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Okay.

Matt Lieb:

That would be gauche if the Eagles did a song with eagle in the name.

Yasmine Khan:

A bit much.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh we couldn't possibly.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah. I feel like Red Hot Chili Peppers had a song, we are the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Dara M Wilson:

Or like, Red Hot Chili Peppers had a song that was just like, we really like peppers.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah. Peppers are good. P-p-p-peppers taste good.

Dara M Wilson:

Peppers are so cool.

Yasmine Khan:

Habanero. Habanero.

Dara M Wilson:

It sucks.

Matt Lieb:

I like when they're red hot and chili. Yum, yum, yum, yum.

Matt Lieb:

I take all the seeds out, 'cause the seeds get in my bum, and it hurts. All right, sorry.

Yasmine Khan:

It really does.

Matt Lieb:

It does.

Dara M Wilson:

So, and I do want to go back a little bit to the phraseology that you just used there, which was the seeds get in my bum.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Like as if it's something that just happens.

Matt Lieb:

No, right. As if, someone put them there.

Dara M Wilson:

Or...

Yasmine Khan:

I mean they do get in, just the other way.

Matt Lieb:

They enter the bum, but first through the mouth.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Then they exit the bum.

Matt Lieb:

They do.

Dara M Wilson:

I guess this is a question where-

Matt Lieb:

They eventually exit.

Yasmine Khan:

Where does the bum start?

Dara M Wilson:

Where does the bum start?

Matt Lieb:

Yep, oh my god, that is, that is one of those questions, I believe Slavoj Žižek said.

Matt Lieb:

No, yeah. It's, yeah where does the bum start?

Dara M Wilson:

I don't know.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

These are life's great questions.

Matt Lieb:

I think the, the small intestine. No-

Dara M Wilson:

The small intestine?

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, cause the small intestine that's where you start, cause that's also the colon, right? The small intestine?

Yasmine Khan:

I feel like it depends on what kind of day you're having.

Matt Lieb:

That's so true.

Dara M Wilson:

What?

Matt Lieb:

That's so true.

Yasmine Khan:

I really think, you know.

Matt Lieb:

Sometimes the, you know, the bum starts in my mouth. Depending on the day. On a hard day-

Yasmine Khan:

I wake up and I'm just like, this is just an ass day.

Dara M Wilson:

Or a great day, no judgment.

Matt Lieb:

This is an ass day.

Dara M Wilson:

Wow, wow, you know-

Yasmine Khan:

And some days...

Dara M Wilson:

I think I could have predicted that we'd start talking about bums with Matt Lieb.

Matt Lieb:

Yes, you had to know. This is why I was booked.

Dara M Wilson:

This is why we brought you in here.

Matt Lieb:

I wanted too, so bad, to start talking about money, but then we went into butt stuff, and I was like this is my jam.

Matt Lieb:

This is what I'm here for.

Dara M Wilson:

They're calling my name.

Matt Lieb:

Mm-hmm (affirmative). My ears are burning. Someone's talking about butts somewhere. That's my, that's my brand.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh my gosh. I, have I talked about my butt on this podcast?

Yasmine Khan:

You've talked about my butt on this podcast.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

But, it's only because I'm jealous.

Yasmine Khan:

My purple pants.

Dara M Wilson:

Your purple pants.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Cause I don't have-

Matt Lieb:

Purple pants.

Dara M Wilson:

Anything to sit on, and it has, becoming a problem in my old age. It's just bones on bones on chairs.

Matt Lieb:

You're saying you have no butt?

Dara M Wilson:

That's what I'm saying.

Matt Lieb:

Oh.

Dara M Wilson:

It's just clickety-clackety, sit down.

Matt Lieb:

I don't think that's true. I haven't looked, but I just can't imagine. There's just a very distinct look of people who have no butt, and it's a very, it's very distinct.

Dara M Wilson:

I, I...

Matt Lieb:

I've never...

Yasmine Khan:

This is, well...

Dara M Wilson:

This is why I got-

Yasmine Khan:

I'll let Dara, Dara talk about, sure...

Dara M Wilson:

I've got a lot of cranial accessories.

Matt Lieb:

Oh, that's true.

Dara M Wilson:

Draw the eyes up.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, you're trying to draw their-

Dara M Wilson:

The purple hair.

Matt Lieb:

That's true, I maybe I-

Dara M Wilson:

The piercings.

Matt Lieb:

I could be wrong maybe, I haven't noticed a medical condition.

Dara M Wilson:

And that's what it is.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

And it's called long back.

Matt Lieb:

Long back?

Dara M Wilson:

And I suffer every day.

Matt Lieb:

Every day. You and millions of other people suffer every day from long back syndrome.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh my gosh. Well, on that lovely note, god, we really do share a lot about ourselves on this podcast.

Yasmine Khan:

Every single week.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, you should.

Dara M Wilson:

I mean...

Matt Lieb:

That's the point.

Dara M Wilson:

I've, not five minutes ago, I was like it's pretty cold in here and now I am sweating.

Yasmine Khan:

I am so warm, on the inside and out.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah. I feel warm. I feel like I have a seed stuck in my butt.

Dara M Wilson:

The warmth of shame.

Yasmine Khan:

I think... just from the, yeah.

Matt Lieb:

I just go over to the piano, start playing. And now to get us back on track, Bohemian Rhapsody.

Dara M Wilson:

♪ Is this the real life

Yasmine Khan:

♪ Is it just fantasy

Dara M Wilson:

But, yeah, thank you.

Matt Lieb:

I mean, we are in a studio where it feels like Queen did record.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh I'm sure.

Matt Lieb:

It's very nice.

Dara M Wilson:

The spirit of Queen is with us.

Yasmine Khan:

It is very nice.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

And that's something I say every day.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, you wake up-

Dara M Wilson:

The spirit of Queen be with you.

Matt Lieb:

Mm-hmm (affirmative), and also with you.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh thank you very much.

Matt Lieb:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dara M Wilson:

Oh my gosh, what are we talking about today Yasmine? Surely not anything we've talked about so far.

Yasmine Khan:

No. Not really.

Matt Lieb:

No need.

Yasmine Khan:

I mean, this is a well-appointed studio. No, we are talking today about moving. The cost of moving.

Dara M Wilson:

Like the cost of...

Yasmine Khan:

And slapping your stuff around from one habitat to another.

Dara M Wilson:

Moving your home?

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Not moving your body?

Yasmine Khan:

No.

Dara M Wilson:

Which you could do for free, baby.

Yasmine Khan:

Yes.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, moving your body is free, moving your stuff costs money.

Dara M Wilson:

That's right.

Yasmine Khan:

Yes.

Matt Lieb:

That's why you call Starving Students moving company.

Matt Lieb:

That's just one of the moving companies we have out here. It's probably up north too.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, we have it up north too.

Matt Lieb:

It's a weird...

Dara M Wilson:

Do you really?

Matt Lieb:

It's a weird name.

Yasmine Khan:

It's a weird guilty way to try to get you to maybe tip?

Matt Lieb:

I'm not sure is it, do they only employ students who are starving?

Yasmine Khan:

No. You see all kinds of just regular middle aged people.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

Driving those trucks.

Dara M Wilson:

Middle aged people could be students though.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, who's to say that they're not continuing their education?

Yasmine Khan:

But the...

Dara M Wilson:

And aren't we all students of life, man?

Yasmine Khan:

I mean if we're going to go there. But, the branding is really trying to evoke that like, you know...little twerpy 19 year olds...

Dara M Wilson:

I'll move your furniture for a piece of pizza.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

Like, and that's...

Dara M Wilson:

That's uncomfortable.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, cause it feels like then you'd pay them in food.

Yasmine Khan:

Right!

Matt Lieb:

Which seems wrong in a way.

Dara M Wilson:

Or...drugs.

Yasmine Khan:

Drugs? No.

Matt Lieb:

They're starving for molly, or they're starving to get their dance on.

Dara M Wilson:

That's right, for free.

Matt Lieb:

For free. Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

So to talk more about the cost of moving, you made a move.

Matt Lieb:

I did. I moved down from San Francisco to Los Angeles. It was about two years ago, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Cool.

Matt Lieb:

Moved multiple times since then around town.

Dara M Wilson:

All right, so we're going to hear some about that in our no judgment zone. And we will have a song for that right now, from me?

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Okay, I'm bearing down. You can't see this but I'm hunkering.

Matt Lieb:

I've now realized...

Yasmine Khan:

Right into that bony butt.

Matt Lieb:

Are you about to go off top? Is that what's happening? You just make up your theme songs off top? I love this part, yes.

Dara M Wilson:

Yes, I'm about to birth this song.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

♪ No judgment zone zone zone

Yasmine Khan:

Tell us about your move, Matt.

Dara M Wilson:

Wait, what's the segment about?

Yasmine Khan:

Oh, sorry. This is the segment where we share our own experiences with our week's topic without judging each other. So tell us about your move, Matt.

Matt Lieb:

Thank you, and I appreciate that there's no judgment in it.

Matt Lieb:

Although, I can't, I mean I'm trying to think of a situation which moving would require judgment. Like, there's nothing to be judgmental about, I assume. I mean, it was just, it was I moved from my apartment of seven years in the Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco down to a two bedroom apartment in Los Feliz. The apartment in San Francisco, I had five roommates, and I had the smallest room, it was-

Dara M Wilson:

Was it five bedrooms, at least?

Matt Lieb:

It was four bedrooms.

Dara M Wilson:

Yep. Sounds like San Francisco.

Matt Lieb:

Yes, yes, yes. But it was super cheap rent, cause I lived in the smallest room, it was basically like a converted porch type thing. Like, they put a roof over it. So, I didn't have much stuff to move down, which was nice. So, I was able to do my move with an SUV that I had rented, like I, I don't think I even brought my, cause I had a mattress that was literally it was like a used Ikea mattress. Like, Ikea you're already kind of like close to the bottom of the barrel. In terms of mattresses they're incredibly cheap. And this one was someone else's.

Matt Lieb:

And, yeah, so, I just packed a bunch of stuff into a minivan that I rented, way cheaper than an actual moving truck. And headed over to the two bedroom in Los Felix, where there was three people living in that. Because I moved with somebody, and we looked at a bunch of, what do you call it, apartments. And there was one really nice one in Los Felix that was a two bedroom, that was way too expensive. Big ole living room. And he was like we should move in here, and I was like we can't afford it. He was like it's fine, we'll get a third. I was like where's the third person going to live? He's like that's fine, I'll live in the living room. Needless to say, that living situation lasted about seven months before everything blew up.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah so it was, you know. It was, I try to keep my life relatively inexpensive if I can, and so, it was, the move there wasn't so bad. It was the move back to my parents’ house in Culver City that was the problem. Cause I had grew up out here. So when I moved my stuff, it was, at that point, seven months, I thought I was going to live there for a while so I was like, started buying things for the apartment. And then that situation kind of fell through, because the guy who lived in the living room left. He was like, I'm moving back up north.

Dara M Wilson:

Was he like, I no longer want to live in a living room?

Matt Lieb:

It was, I no longer want to live in a living room, but it was also I no longer want to try to be a comedian out in L.A. and he just moved back to San Francisco where it's easier to be a comedian. Because, you can get bookings every night, and all you have to do is you know, like, you know, it's a smaller town so...

Yasmine Khan:

Get on the BART.

Matt Lieb:

You get on the BART, you find yourself at a show, whereas L.A. is huge and it's like, you have to like, re ingratiate yourself with literally everyone.

Yasmine Khan:

I don't get it. I don't do any shows that are not within four blocks of a BART station.

Matt Lieb:

See, that's the way to do it. That's the smart way to do stand up. You don't want to, you don't want to like be traveling everywhere. I'm-

Yasmine Khan:

I don't have to work for it.

Matt Lieb:

I know.

Yasmine Khan:

Come to me.

Matt Lieb:

In San Francisco, you don't you can just, go down the street and find a spot. But, you know, not here. So, anyways he moved, I moved back to my parents’ house, and that was a bit more of expensive of a move cause I had more stuff. I had to move some of my stuff in to my brother and his wife's house, because they, cause he's married, and he's got a wife, and so, they have a house. That's what happens.

Yasmine Khan:

I wish that would just happen. Just married? Cha-ching house.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah!

Yasmine Khan:

That would be awesome.

Matt Lieb:

You've just got to find the right person. This was his wife's parents house, whose parents, her parents lived somewhere else so, she comes from money.

Dara M Wilson:

Money.

Matt Lieb:

She got that money.

Yasmine Khan:

Oh, we have an episode on that.

Dara M Wilson:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Matt Lieb:

On rich parents with money?

Dara M Wilson:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah. We literally have a, did an episode on that.

Matt Lieb:

It makes sense. Yeah, so, I moved some of the stuff there, some of the stuff back at my parents’ house, lived there for a while. And then, now, I live alone for the first time ever.

Dara M Wilson:

Wow.

Matt Lieb:

I found a studio apartment that's kind of big, like a medium big sized apartment. Like, with like, half of the space is the bedroom, and I use a two way bookshelf as a divider, plus a plant. And on the other side is a couch and a TV and all that. It's like, it's nice. I pay $1,225, and it's on the east side, East Hollywood.

Dara M Wilson:

Wow.

Yasmine Khan:

That's a very nice...

Matt Lieb:

I love it.

Yasmine Khan:

Price.

Dara M Wilson:

How do you like living alone?

Yasmine Khan:

For apartments.

Matt Lieb:

Oh my god.

Matt Lieb:

Dara, oh my god.

Dara M Wilson:

I know.

Yasmine Khan:

I'll never go back.

Dara M Wilson:

I know.

Yasmine Khan:

Other people are the worst.

Matt Lieb:

Do you know how naked... I am?

Yasmine Khan:

You can do everything naked.

Dara M Wilson:

Right now?

Yasmine Khan:

You can do everything naked.

Matt Lieb:

The only thing that I discovered you can't do naked is cook bacon. Other than that...

Yasmine Khan:

Not if you-

Dara M Wilson:

I do wish you had put on clothes for this podcast though. Like, that would have been nice.

Matt Lieb:

Here's the thing, I figured we were going to talk about moving expenses and wanted you guys to see me for who I was. A naked man. No, I mean-

Yasmine Khan:

Really bring the vulnerability for that money talk.

Dara M Wilson:

That's right.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, I appreciate it.

Matt Lieb:

I honestly, I have never... I never knew that it was so wonderful to live alone. And, I don't know if I ever can go back to roommates. Like I even, my girlfriend has recently moved to Los Angeles. We met in San Francisco, and she moved down. She lives in an apartment about five blocks away, and at some point, you know, we're going to, maybe move in together. But it probably wouldn't be at her place, cause it's like, we'd need a place big enough for both of us. But I'm trying to like as long as possible have this apartment. Because I love just being able to go there and just be alone, it's so nice.

Yasmine Khan:

Alone, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

It's so nice.

Yasmine Khan:

Solitude is the best.

Matt Lieb:

And my rent is so cheap, I mean for, for, your own space that's like not a, cause I looked at a lot of like studios that were basically like mini prisons. It's what it felt like, like if-

Dara M Wilson:

A mini prison?

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

That's worse.

Matt Lieb:

I'm talking about the smallest prison. I mean, just like the bed takes up the entire room and you're just walking around the bed, and then like there's a kitchenette instead of a kitchen. And the shower's on one side of the room, and the kitchen's on the other and you're like, this is awful. And it was like, you know, the same price so, I'm really happy to be in a-

Dara M Wilson:

Great. You landed in a good spot.

Matt Lieb:

Did I?

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

Good.

Dara M Wilson:

Yes.

Matt Lieb:

Good. No judgment.

Dara M Wilson:

No judgment.

Yasmine Khan:

No judgment.

Matt Lieb:

Except for the naked stuff, you judged me a little... a little bit.

Dara M Wilson:

No, we can't. There's no judgment allowed.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah...

Yasmine Khan:

No judgment allowed. Just taking it-

Matt Lieb:

That's why I'm naked now.

Yasmine Khan:

Taking it in.

Dara M Wilson:

We're in the zone.

Yasmine Khan:

Fully.

Dara M Wilson:

What about you Yasmine? What's your moving, no judgment story for this week?

Yasmine Khan:

I feel like I come on this show and just like, at some point I transition from like, giving stories from research and my interviews with Americans about their finances to just like telling embarrassing things about myself.

Matt Lieb:

That's what you're supposed to do on podcasts.

Yasmine Khan:

That's all I do.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

You're doing it right.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, I'm doing it right. So, my, it's more, it's not what I did it's the way in which I did it, and it was a real life lesson. So, you know, later in the show we'll talk about like the cost of moving, and there is you know if you have a friend with a truck you can sometimes get away with like help, having friends help you.

Matt Lieb:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Yasmine Khan:

And you like, you know you buy them pizza, you buy them...

Matt Lieb:

Yeah right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

You know, you make a little party out of it. Sort of try to be a good host and really like hosting. So, at some point when I was, I think I was like 18 or 19 and I was in college where I had this apartment that I just had for the summer. So I had to move in the beginning of the summer and I had to move at the end of the summer. And so I had to play this little like dance of like, how do I get my friends to do this for me twice?

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

And, as you know, as a little young thing I wasn't was mature as I am now in my way of asking for things. And so the way that I asked for it, was I just dropped a lot of hints.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh no.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh no.

Yasmine Khan:

I just dropped, I'm like oh, I don't know how I'm going to move. How am I going to do this guys?

Matt Lieb:

Oh god.

Yasmine Khan:

I want to like, go back in time and just smack myself.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, no I, no judgment though.

Yasmine Khan:

No, but my friends...

Matt Lieb:

Wait, are we back in the judgment zone?

Dara M Wilson:

No, no, no, this is still no judgment zone.

Matt Lieb:

Okay, fine.

Yasmine Khan:

It was a great life lesson, cause I had a, my friend was a good enough friend to tell me, I remember my friend Raul was like, you could just ask.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

And I had this huge moment, I remember like, feeling a wash of like self-awareness and shame, and transparency, and then like...

Yasmine Khan:

And after that broke away, I was like if I-

Yasmine Khan:

Ask for what you want.

Dara M Wilson:

It was just like that.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

Wait, um...

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, don't like, you know, try to socially guilt people into offering you a thing that, you know. And as since then I've really tried to be really cognizant of if you need a thing and especially if you're asking for a significant thing, don't try to like weasel and cute your way... I was also cute at the time, I was like 18. I was like, shiny new penny.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

I didn't know what to do with it though, I'm still learning how to use it.

Matt Lieb:

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

You actually just reminded me of something similar I did recently. And, this is, ten times, I think this is much weirder because I bought this dresser for my new apartment. And it was like the heaviest, it was the heaviest thing. And I didn't know it was heavy.

Dara M Wilson:

That's very adult though, to have a heavy dresser.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, right.

Dara M Wilson:

It's like a new phase in life.

Matt Lieb:

Exactly, yeah, yeah. It's like-

Yasmine Khan:

Made of actual wood.

Matt Lieb:

Right, exactly. It's not just like, this is made out of balsa wood and paper plates, you know? It's only $30 at Target. But, like, no, this one was like heavy, it was, it came pre-assembled. I mean it was someone else's, that's why... So I bought it and I was like, and someone helped me load it into a friend's car that I was borrowing to move stuff. And then, the entire ride there I'm just going, oh fuck, like, I have to go up a flight of stairs, like a thin flight of stairs with this. I'm alone, and I was like well just don't think about it, just keep driving.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah, that's how you do it.

Matt Lieb:

And so I kept driving, and I got to my apartment, I parked the car, you know double parked, outside of it. Was able to pull it off of the thing and onto the ground. And I was like I'm stuck, literally what am I going to do? So I just kind of stood there like...what do...

Yasmine Khan:

If I just screech loud enough somebody will come.

Matt Lieb:

What do I do? And, like this old, like, this old man.

Yasmine Khan:

Oh no.

Matt Lieb:

You know like a grizzled sixty year old probably, you know Vet right? He's like, you look like you need some help. And then I was like, do I look like it? And then he goes, he grabs it, and we grab it together, and he helps me move it inside, and it is heavy as fuck.

Dara M Wilson:

Wow.

Matt Lieb:

So we're both like... you know when you're moving stuff up the stairs, like okay one step at a time. And they go, and go...and go. And it's like, we're trying to not kill each other. So, we get it in the apartment, and I'm just like dude, thank you so much this is amazing, blah, blah, blah. And, so then two days later I buy a fridge. And, I, from a guy.

Dara M Wilson:

I'm sorry, did you black out? And then it was two days?

Yasmine Khan:

And forget that you're not the Hulk?

Matt Lieb:

Well, so I bought the fridge, and in my mind I go, could I do this again?

Dara M Wilson:

Oh, okay, so now this is your strategy.

Yasmine Khan:

I'll take the same man.

Matt Lieb:

But, that's the thing, not the same man.

Dara M Wilson:

No, just like-

Matt Lieb:

Just stand there, and hope-

Dara M Wilson:

Beacon of helplessness.

Matt Lieb:

Well, beacon-

Yasmine Khan:

You know you still live in the same place though, right?

Matt Lieb:

Yeah. Right I've been-

Yasmine Khan:

Like, the neighbors are the neighbors.

Dara M Wilson:

Like, the foot traffic's going to be the same.

Matt Lieb:

No, right, at some point I was like, if I'm lucky that old man will help me, and but if not, maybe someone will show some kindness. And so I literally pull, a guy helps me move the refrigerator into, this time my mom's minivan, and I drive over, I double park I put it out there on the lawn and I'm just like...help? And this dude just skateboards over and goes, you need some help? And I'm like, yes! Yes, it worked!

Dara M Wilson:

Oh my god.

Matt Lieb:

It was incredible, I at this point, now I depend on the kindness of strangers.

Dara M Wilson:

I, just like, that is like some interesting white man energy.

Matt Lieb:

I know, I know.

Dara M Wilson:

I don't...

Matt Lieb:

I know, I was-

Yasmine Khan:

I don't have that karma.

Matt Lieb:

I was thinking about that, I was just like I wonder if I were literally not me. If I were a person of color, if I were, I mean the only thing I could think that would help is if I was also really, if I was an attractive white woman then maybe I would also get that skateboarder to help me.

Dara M Wilson:

Right.

Matt Lieb:

But, if I was literally anyone else, I was like I don't know if this would happen, but you know what you got to use all the tools in your tool chest, you know?

Matt Lieb:

I was like, hey you know what, this guy thinks I'm not a threat, I probably won't Buffalo Bill him into the back of my van.

Yasmine Khan:

Right.

Matt Lieb:

Just put it in the back of the van, okay? Just keep going and stay back there, and close the door. Anyways-

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, it's fine.

Matt Lieb:

He helped me and he did not end up in my fridge so, it all worked out.

Dara M Wilson:

It all worked out.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

Dara, is there anyone you haven't put in your fridge? Sorry, I mean, tell me your no judgment story.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

There are countless people I haven't put in my fridge. Well, that didn't make that sound any better, did it? I'm just going to keep on moving.

Matt Lieb:

Yep.

Dara M Wilson:

So, I actually talked about moving a lot on this podcast, so I'm digging through. Oh, I moved from living with roommates when I first went out to San Francisco to a studio-

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

By myself, and I just got nervous to say that I was living by myself, like that wasn't nine years ago.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Like, they're going to find me.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

It's fine.

Matt Lieb:

The roommates are like what?

Dara M Wilson:

Exactly, and, it was, my first apartment had been pre-furnitured...

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Which is a phrase...

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

Pre furnished or whatever.

Dara M Wilson:

Pre furnished is what we say.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, whatever.

Yasmine Khan:

We got words.

Dara M Wilson:

So, I didn't have any-

Matt Lieb:

No judgment.

Dara M Wilson:

Right, I didn't have any furniture to move.

Matt Lieb:

That's awesome.

Dara M Wilson:

I actually, just like over the course of two weeks, just like slowly went up and down the hills with my suitcase in my hand-

Matt Lieb:

Oh, see. That's the way to do it.

Dara M Wilson:

Moving my stuff.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

And then I lived there, and then it turned out that at that apartment, the people above me were training their cats and dogs for the circus...

Matt Lieb:

Yeah that's yeah...

Dara M Wilson:

It was a bowling act I believe...

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Tap dancing was involved.

Matt Lieb:

Tap dancing, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

And it went on into the night.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, a full production of STOMP, the musical.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh yeah. They were bringing the noise and the funk. And I was dying.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, that's the worst. That is the worst.

Dara M Wilson:

It was so bad. So, I convinced the people who were renting me the apartment, the like business that was renting the apartment, to let me move to a place that was next door in the annex.

Matt Lieb:

Oh, cool.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah, so it was like next door but like below, because it's San Francisco so it's on a hill, so it's like right next door but it's like feet down. And I'm doing all this moving, I got some people who were in town just randomly to help me move and paid them with pizza.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

I was like, I feel like I'm having an adult experience, a young adult experience. And like, bought them beers, and was like this is good. And then I was just moving a few things back and forth and I swapped the keys. So I had took the keys for the apartment I had just locked, and then left the other...so....

Yasmine Khan:

Oh.

Matt Lieb:

Oh no.

Yasmine Khan:

You locked yourself out.

Dara M Wilson:

I locked myself out.

Yasmine Khan:

That's the worst feeling.

Dara M Wilson:

I locked myself out, and then I called the locksmith and he was like it's going to be ten hours and a billion dollars, and I was like-

Yasmine Khan:

Because they can do that. They're like, you don't have a home right now, I can charge you whatever I want.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Right, and so it was going to be a whole bunch of money. I didn't really know what to do, and so what I did... What I decided to do was break into my apartment.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, that's the way to do it.

Dara M Wilson:

So there's like this long hallway, a very high up window, like the window was probably at like my shoulder height, or my head height. I'm quite a tall lady, so it was like high up, and I had to like spider up the walls like, hand, hand, feet, feet.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

Wow.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Up to the window, open the window, like kick my leg over, drop down back to the ground, in this like tiny teeny tiny little patio area that was there. Go into the kitchen window, use my keys to slice open the screen, and then climb in that way.

Yasmine Khan:

That's like Mission Impossible.

Matt Lieb:

But it worked.

Dara M Wilson:

But it worked.

Yasmine Khan:

You did it.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh yeah.

Matt Lieb:

That's great.

Dara M Wilson:

The sound was playing in my head.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

And then I was like well, I'm going to have to, there's a couple of things that I have destroyed to get into this apartment-

Matt Lieb:

But that's the thing is, you calculate that into, well how much would it cost to, you know, get a locksmith out here.

Yasmine Khan:

Call the... yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Exactly.

Matt Lieb:

And it's like, it's cheaper to replace the screen.

Dara M Wilson:

Also, that's a problem for future Dara, cause I'm not going to replace that screen.

Matt Lieb:

Present Dara wants to take a nappy nap.

Dara M Wilson:

Exactly.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, that was a lot of...

Dara M Wilson:

It's a lot of effort.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, straddling up a [crosstalk 00:28:57].

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah, a lot more exercise than I was used to doing.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

At that time. Um, yeah, no, I wasn't going to replace that screen. I was like that's going to come out of my security deposit whenever I leave this place.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

So, yeah that's um, that's how that worked out for me. But I did save a lot of money.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, it's worth it, it's worth it.

Dara M Wilson:

It's worth it. And, cause I also was like, very lean and very strong at that point, and it was like if you're not going to break into apartment now...

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

When are you going to?

Dara M Wilson:

When am I going to do it?

Matt Lieb:

Like, you're in peak apartment breaking into condition.

Dara M Wilson:

That's right.

Yasmine Khan:

You don't want to look back on your life and be like, you know what, I never did.

Matt Lieb:

I never broke into-

Dara M Wilson:

I never broke in to an apartment.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

No.

Yasmine Khan:

Memories.

Matt Lieb:

Never took a B and E.

Dara M Wilson:

♪ Memories of B and E's.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah. Memories of B and E's.

Dara M Wilson:

That's right. All right so, we've, I'm, I, I feel a different kind of warmness now. Like a nice warmness, between the three of us.

Matt Lieb:

Aww, yeah we've created a-

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

Thing.

Dara M Wilson:

A thing.

Matt Lieb:

We got a thing. Happy thing.

Dara M Wilson:

Let's dig in a little bit deeper, and learn a little bit more about this week's topic. Yasmine you want to throw some of these out there?

Yasmine Khan:

Sure. The cost of moving, thank you Business Insider and U.S. news and The World Report for most of these cause we didn't come up with these.

Matt Lieb:

That's fair.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

We will link the link in the episode notes, and let me say again, and I don't mean to sound like I'm frustrated with you, but look at the show notes, please. We are linking links in the show notes.

Yasmine Khan:

She...says...

Matt Lieb:

What's the point of writing all these show notes, if you're not going to look at 'em?

Dara M Wilson:

If you're not going to look at the links.

Matt Lieb:

Look at the links.

Dara M Wilson:

Thank you.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, you know what, we're not writing any more notes until you guys take the ones we already gave you.

Dara M Wilson:

Beyoncé.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, she picked up what I put down. Okay, the cost of moving. Application fee, first month's rent, security deposit, pet deposit. Not getting your old security deposit back, don't be so sure.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

Packing-

Matt Lieb:

I-

Dara M Wilson:

Cause they, they'll mess you up.

Matt Lieb:

I always, whenever I put in a security deposit, I'm like, I consider it gone.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, you kinda-

Matt Lieb:

That money is gone because-

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

Well most of the time it's because I'm living in an apartment with other people. And I'm like, nah. There's no way that all of these people, all of us together we're not going to fuck this apartment up. So, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Right.

Yasmine Khan:

There's a reasonable amount of wear and tear. Actually, pro-life tip, as soon as you move into a place, you go around, take photos of the whole place before you move your furniture in.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, I wouldn't call it a pro-life tip though. That sounds like how not to...

Yasmine Khan:

Oh, pro tip.

Matt Lieb:

Pro tip yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

I'm getting, I'm getting on in years and I'm moving all the...

Matt Lieb:

You mixed life hack and pro tip.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt Lieb:

And you made pro-life tip, which is like how to avoid abortions at all costs.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, yeah.

Matt Lieb:

And how to make them illegal everywhere.

Dara M Wilson:

Right.

Yasmine Khan:

Thank you, yeah.

Matt Lieb:

Pro-life tip.

Dara M Wilson:

Pro-life tip, uh...

Yasmine Khan:

But yeah, pro tip, for your life, take your photos so you get your security deposit back.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, no, that is smart, that is smart.

Yasmine Khan:

So you can say, that was already there. I didn't punch that...

Matt Lieb:

I mean the problem is-

Yasmine Khan:

Wall.

Matt Lieb:

The problem is, is like with landlords it depends on the type of landlord / property manager you have too. I have always noticed that with like someone who does both, that's when you get it screwed.

Dara M Wilson:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Matt Lieb:

Cause a person who is too cheap to hire a property manager, for a property that they own, and they're just like I'll be the person who you call, that means they're not going to fix anything. They're not going to fix the sinks, they're not going to fix the showers, all that stuff, they're going to... Because they're too cheap to get a property manager, there's no way they're going to...

Dara M Wilson:

They don't have the funds.

Yasmine Khan:

I don't know. I have a weird situation. The first time I-

Matt Lieb:

You had a good experience.

Yasmine Khan:

No, I have a, right now my landlord lives in the same house. He lives in the first, he and his family live on the first floor.

Matt Lieb:

Okay.

Yasmine Khan:

My husband and I live on the second floor.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

And they're very, very nice.

Matt Lieb:

But that's different because it's the same property.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

Like that person doesn't own multiple houses.

Yasmine Khan:

That's true.

Matt Lieb:

Cause, like there's people, who like, my-

Yasmine Khan:

He's taking care of his own investment.

Matt Lieb:

Exactly, exactly. My girlfriend's landlord is also the property manager and she is awful. Like, she does not, allow us to do anything. We had a hedge, we had this beautiful hedge that separated all of the units, you know, from the neighboring units. And they cut down the hedge. The neighboring unit landlord and her decided to cut down the hedge rather than pay for the up keep for it.

Dara M Wilson:

Wow.

Yasmine Khan:

So your naked and exposed?

Matt Lieb:

Now we're naked and exposed, and they just added a disgusting wall, like a fence, and it's like... I hate it so much.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh, no.

Matt Lieb:

So, anyways, it takes all kinds. But that person owns multiple units and is a cheapo.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

If she lived there, there's no way she would have cut down that hedge, because it's beautiful.

Dara M Wilson:

Because it's a quality of life thing.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah. There is also packing supplies, we've talked about movers or pizza and beer for friends.

Yasmine Khan:

It's got to be pizza and beer, nothing else.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

It can be non-alcoholic beer, like that's happening, but it does have to be beer.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, root beer.

Yasmine Khan:

But, pizza, but it has to be pizza.

Matt Lieb:

And pizza.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

Because it's the easiest thing when all of your furniture is put away, like all your dishes are packed up...

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, you sit around...

Dara M Wilson:

Sit on the ground.

Yasmine Khan:

The box is your plate.

Matt Lieb:

Exactly. Your hands are your forks.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Your hands are your forks.

Yasmine Khan:

That's right.

Matt Lieb:

Fork hands. Our new character, coming to Marvel.

Dara M Wilson:

Fork hands!

Matt Lieb:

Fork hands!

Yasmine Khan:

Wow.

Matt Lieb:

I'm hungry all the time. Hi, I'm fork hands.

Dara M Wilson:

Does that-

Matt Lieb:

My hands are forks! Village beware, if you are spaghetti...

Yasmine Khan:

And my forks are hands.

Matt Lieb:

Oh no, it's a village spaghetti monster.

Dara M Wilson:

No!

Matt Lieb:

You are no match for fork hands.

Dara M Wilson:

That's not a good match up. That's not fair to spaghetti monster.

Matt Lieb:

That's true well he shouldn't have uh, caused a bunch of trouble in fork hands' town ya know?

Yasmine Khan:

That's true.

Dara M Wilson:

Fork-hand-ly...

Matt Lieb:

Fork-handlia, yeah. Welcome to fork-landia.

Dara M Wilson:

Fork-landia.

Yasmine Khan:

Serving meatballs down the dregs.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

There is also renting a moving truck, which we talked about gas for those things. If you're moving yourself, boarding your pets while you move, staying in a hotel for a night if you need too. This is a thing that I had to do. When I told that story about I moved into this apartment in Oakland and my mom was like, ha ha this is cute, you're not living here. And a man was staring menacingly at us through the window while we were having this conversation, we had to go and stay in a hotel. For a night. She was like, I'm certainly not staying here, and you're definitely not staying here. So, let's go. Storing your stuff if you can't move it all and you don't have a sister-in-law with money.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Buying new items that you can't bring for your old place. Like, the shower curtain.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, you're not bringing the old dirt. Also, you're not bringing the, the old-

Dara M Wilson:

The old ju ju?

Yasmine Khan:

The old mop and the old...

Matt Lieb:

No. No.

Yasmine Khan:

You got to burn it.

Matt Lieb:

You got to get new stuff.

Yasmine Khan:

Burn it.

Dara M Wilson:

If you can afford it.

Yasmine Khan:

If you can, if you have too, bring it. Obviously. Do what you have to do.

Matt Lieb:

But sometimes you just go without it for a while, and you're like, I'm going to get one I'm going to get one. And then crumbs start building...

Yasmine Khan:

Get thick socks. Just thick socks.

Matt Lieb:

Thick socks? Honestly, just walking around in socks, always a good idea.

Dara M Wilson:

Thick socks, or a low dog.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, low dog.

Dara M Wilson:

Either way, your floors are clean.

Matt Lieb:

Low dog is also a mop.

Dara M Wilson:

Yes.

Yasmine Khan:

Yep.

Dara M Wilson:

New furniture, obviously, and eating out while you don't have cooking supplies, or your gas isn't hooked up yet, or all of those little things that come up.

Matt Lieb:

Starting the internet, starting the television. Installing, you know, your PlayStation 4.

Dara M Wilson:

Right, all the important...

Matt Lieb:

All the importants.

Dara M Wilson:

Basics.

Yasmine Khan:

Life essentials.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah. PlayStation 4?

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, PS4 dude.

Dara M Wilson:

Is that what's happening right now?

Matt Lieb:

That's the newest one.

Dara M Wilson:

I'm out of the game you know I'm trying to get back in there.

Matt Lieb:

You got to get back in there. Fortnite is huge right now.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh I know. Aren't they taking out dances from black people and monetizing them without giving the money to black people?

Matt Lieb:

You know, I haven't read that piece yet. But, probably?

Dara M Wilson:

I'll link it in the show notes and I'm sure you'll read it then.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, link it in the show notes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Matt Lieb:

All of their emotes are cultural appropriation, I'm sure. But it's a fun game.

Dara M Wilson:

That's why it's so fun.

Matt Lieb:

That's what makes it fun, is knowing it's wrong. All of my video games Columbus people. That's, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

If only it were a game.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah, it turns out every time you've talked about moving, you just moved into a place that, like already had people in it.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, somebody was already there.

Matt Lieb:

What I do is I kick out the indigenous people. In a way though isn't that what gentrification is?

Yasmine Khan:

...yeah.

Matt Lieb:

Isn't it?

Yasmine Khan:

That's quite exactly what that is.

Matt Lieb:

I mean, it's like, you know, I...

Dara M Wilson:

There's like some steps in between you and them, so you don't have to think about it.

Matt Lieb:

Nah, right, right, right, right, exactly. But, it's always like, the affordable apartment to you is the unaffordable apartment to that family that just moved out.

Dara M Wilson:

Yes, yes exactly.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Wow, we were making a joke and then it got very real.

Matt Lieb:

It got real. Well you know-

Yasmine Khan:

This is why real estate really bothers me.

Matt Lieb:

That's why they call it real estate.

Yasmine Khan:

It gets so real.

Matt Lieb:

Mm-hmm (affirmative), too real.

Yasmine Khan:

What value are you bringing to the world?

Dara M Wilson:

Me?

Yasmine Khan:

Real estate.

Dara M Wilson:

I've already talked about this, I'm working on it.

Yasmine Khan:

I'm not talking to you.

Dara M Wilson:

Okay.

Yasmine Khan:

I meant to the concept.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh, yeah I told you-

Matt Lieb:

You were talking to a concept.

Dara M Wilson:

Talking to a, naturally, like you do. I told you I have this problem with parking lots, that's my first like version of having problems with real estate. I was like, what do you mean? It's a parking lot. Like, I'm not talking about a parking structure. I'm talking about if you drew some...

Yasmine Khan:

A space.

Dara M Wilson:

It's a space. It's just a lot. There's a lot of these in Philadelphia. Like, you can't charge for that.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, no, I hate that.

Dara M Wilson:

It's nothing. It's just the ground.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

I need to get out of my car...

Dara M Wilson:

Right?

Yasmine Khan:

Right.

Matt Lieb:

I'm going to get out of this car one way or another. It's either going to be between these lines you painted, or across all of them, but I'm not paying a dime.

Dara M Wilson:

There was definitely a time where there was a lot, I think it was a lot near, it was like equidistant between my school and my parent's office. My mom would drive there, so I would walk, and then we would go home together. And there was a guy there handing out tickets, and it was like $5 for all day. And my mom, at some point was like, she looked at him and she was like listen, I know you don't actually work here, you just found some tickets and you are charging these unsuspecting people $5.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

Wow.

Dara M Wilson:

She was like I'm not going to blow up your spot, but stop asking me for that $5. And she parked there for free for like, months and months and months.

Matt Lieb:

That's amazing.

Yasmine Khan:

That's...

Matt Lieb:

That's like that, sometimes I'll stand outside of a bar and people will give be their IDs, except for I'm not...

Yasmine Khan:

You are tall enough.

Matt Lieb:

I'm just doing that for fun.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

I should figure out a way to like also collect like, okay it's $5 to get in as a cover.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

And there's a cover?

Matt Lieb:

Dude, that's like fucking smart grift. That's a smart...

Dara M Wilson:

That's using your tall white man for evil.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah that's right, that's bad. That's bad.

Dara M Wilson:

You will not do that. Just use it to move refrigerators.

Matt Lieb:

All right, fair enough, but-

Yasmine Khan:

You need to turn away people who look like, just jerks.

Matt Lieb:

Oh yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh yeah. That's a good one.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

What if I turn away all of the racists?

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah, ask them a few pointed questions.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

Yasmine Khan:

Like uh, you know, how do you feel about um, I can't say it.

Dara M Wilson:

Don't, yeah don't say it.

Matt Lieb:

I want to know.

Yasmine Khan:

Trail off into whatever your mind is thinking. You're the racist.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

It was you the whole time.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

It was you the whole time. Oh my gosh. Oh my goodness.

Matt Lieb:

So many moving expenses. It's crazy, but all of these are, except for the pets one, are ones that I have experienced.

Dara M Wilson:

I hope that you will experience the pets one the next time you move.

Matt Lieb:

I hope so too.

Yasmine Khan:

Dara's really big on trying to get people to get pets.

Dara M Wilson:

Yes.

Yasmine Khan:

You would think that like-

Matt Lieb:

I want a pet, so bad. I want a dog.

Dara M Wilson:

Get a dog.

Matt Lieb:

It's hard, cause I'm, I'm always gone, ya know?

Yasmine Khan:

You could get like a little one that you could put in your pocket.

Matt Lieb:

I don't want a, I want a big one.

Dara M Wilson:

Oh, well.

Matt Lieb:

I want a big ole dog. That's what I want. Those are the best, cause you wrestle. I want to wrestle with my dog.

Yasmine Khan:

...You wrestle.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, the dog just like, is on its back going okay...

Yasmine Khan:

I guess this is happening, now, again.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

I love you.

Matt Lieb:

I love you.

Yasmine Khan:

This is what I have to do for my food.

Dara M Wilson:

Is this love?

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah. Is this love?

Yasmine Khan:

I don't know.

Matt Lieb:

Just gaslighting a dog. I think this is love.

Dara M Wilson:

My heart just broke a little bit.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah. My master, he wrestled me cause he loves me. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry, you guys.

Dara M Wilson:

No, that's so bad.

Yasmine Khan:

Beyond the pale.

Dara M Wilson:

Beyond.

Yasmine Khan:

I think I just learned what that phrase meant.

Matt Lieb:

I actually don't-

Yasmine Khan:

Right here in this moment, in real time.

Matt Lieb:

Okay, yeah I don't know what it refers to.

Yasmine Khan:

It means...what does that mean?

Matt Lieb:

Well I know what it means, but it's so, it's so specific.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah, I don't know the origins of it.

Matt Lieb:

What's the origins?

Dara M Wilson:

I don't know.

Matt Lieb:

That's beyond the pale.

Yasmine Khan:

I've looked this up, I can't remember.

Matt Lieb:

Like, it's cool to be in the pale.

Dara M Wilson:

But, beyond it, how, how dare you.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, stay in the pale. How dare you go beyond the pale.

Yasmine Khan:

It's something about a British slang... I don't know.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah that sounds right.

Yasmine Khan:

Or something... you know it's-

Dara M Wilson:

Sounds pale.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That sounds right.

Dara M Wilson:

All right, we have two more segments that we got to get to.

Matt Lieb:

Oh.

Dara M Wilson:

This third one is action item, and actually, for the song, I'm turning it over to you Lieb.

Matt Lieb:

Oh, all right. Drop a beat.

Dara M Wilson:

Okay.

Matt Lieb:

Drop a beat.

Dara M Wilson:

(beat boxing)

Matt Lieb:

♪ Yo, action item hey what's up this is LA Matt flat flat flat action item all day yo we gotta pick things gotta do 'em here's a list of 'em now go do 'em got a action item you do that everyone knows... all right. I'm terrible. All right I'll do, I'll do just a quick one. ♪ Action items we got to action items today. I'm done.

Dara M Wilson:

Beautiful.

Matt Lieb:

I don't know why I went like 1997 alternative.

Yasmine Khan:

No that's-

Matt Lieb:

Somebody action item, the world is action item. All right.

Yasmine Khan:

We promised the people music.

Dara M Wilson:

That's right.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

We're giving it all to them.

Matt Lieb:

We're giving them the music.

Dara M Wilson:

Each week we give you a simple thing to do right away to get better at money. And this week your action item is, to think about all these costs, and any others that could apply to you. Then add them up before you move. Make sure you save for them.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

It's really easy to feel like you just have to save for your security deposit, first month, last month, whatever it is. These other costs really add up. You have to put it down on paper.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

And be prepared for it.

Matt Lieb:

This is my, this is my strategy for that. Is that I always overestimate the cost of things that I haven't researched. Okay, moving, moving truck, rental for the day, moving across town, you know x amount of miles. I just will assume, that's going to cost at least, let's call it $400, even if that's like not even close.

Dara M Wilson:

Right.

Matt Lieb:

Right? Because then, you can go, okay what are the costs that I need to cut in order to actually afford this? And then you can like slowly one-by-one go okay, how about my friend with a truck? How about waiting for a stranger on the street with a skateboard? You know it's, the best thing to do I always overestimate. The same thing when I'm budgeting anything. I go, try to go over the amount that it probably actually will be.

Dara M Wilson:

Right.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah, give yourself that buffer.

Matt Lieb:

Because, some people, they want to squeeze too much in and then they go like, it'll only cost about what $100 to get a moving truck and go across town? Nope.

Dara M Wilson:

Nope.

Matt Lieb:

You are wrong.

Dara M Wilson:

Nope.

Yasmine Khan:

Triple that.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Matt Lieb:

It's crazy expensive.

Dara M Wilson:

Yeah. That's a great idea.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah. Always overestimate. That's my action item.

Dara M Wilson:

Thanks Matt! And now it is time for...

Matt Lieb:

Final Jeopardy.

Yasmine Khan:

It was worth it... No?

Dara M Wilson:

Oh, wow.

Yasmine Khan:

No.

Matt Lieb:

I liked it.

Yasmine Khan:

Well, she gave me the set up.

Dara M Wilson:

I did, I tried.

Yasmine Khan:

And so, that was the...

Matt Lieb:

It was good.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah.

Dara M Wilson:

That's, that what made sense, based on what I did.

Yasmine Khan:

If you guys, if you guys want to sing it yourselves that's fine. Matt, you want to sing it was worth it?

Matt Lieb:

It was, worth it. Might as well be worth it on the sun. All of my songs are Smash Mouth.

Yasmine Khan:

It was worth it is a segment where we each share something that we spent money on in the past week that we actually feel was worth the money.

Dara M Wilson:

Yes, is anyone just rearing to go?

Matt Lieb:

I... need to think on this for a second.

Yasmine Khan:

I'll go, I'll give it a start. Bras are very expensive. They are so expensive. They are like-

Matt Lieb:

I've heard of this.

Yasmine Khan:

They're like so expensive. It's too much money. And, I have been going through body changes this year. We've talked about that in other episodes, I'm going through IVF this year, I'm like having lots of hormones in my body. I'm eating like a monster. I'm like, I'm just growing in size. And I can't just buy a new bra all the time. So I invested in buying a bra extender. Which is just like this little clip, it's just like this little thing that goes on the back, that just makes your bra a little bit wider.

Matt Lieb:

Interesting.

Yasmine Khan:

Guys, it cost like $7. So much better than buying a $70 bra.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah, that's interesting I didn't know that they had that.

Yasmine Khan:

Yeah. Yeah, it just makes it a little bit bigger.

Matt Lieb:

Yeah.

Yasmine Khan:

You know the part that you're always fumbling around with on the back?

Matt Lieb:

No idea.

Yasmine Khan:

It's that part. You just like, it's like that on both sides and the center.

Matt Lieb:

I've never fumbled. I just bring a pair of scissors.

Dara M Wilson:

Matt?

Matt Lieb:

Yes?

Dara M Wilson:

What's your it was worth it for this week?